Yeah Nail I totally agree lol, let's take this to Team17 forums?

I can't watch DarkOnes one, it says it's removed...

Well I support games legally because they ain't millionaires like like actors or musicians

Lol, i'm proud of that chubby kid

Can you translate please nino? Aeeeeee

Nah not really, I can't get a good keychanger

Like I said my enter fails for Ropers and space just isn't 100% reliable atm but i'd just play anyway just to help get these games finished

Your welcome, i'll take a fall for the team !

I'm too lazy to make quotes atm so i'll just answer your points point by point Cue.

I still stick to my opinion Cue, you can lose a Roper because of one failed move which you timed wrong which made you fall, miss your hide, miss a crate and give the opponent too big an advantage, which is bad enough considering you need to do your best every turn just incase you get that impossible crate.

Roping in smaller spaces does not require greater precision, for starters I think BnG requires more precision than any scheme, considering you have to hit the opponent with a weapon, especially the way I play BnG at the skill level I am used to, and how many League games do you see people doing the fastest possible moves? More or less none because it's too risky, if you are trying to win TTRR's for a League or a Cup you will play as safe as possible with going as fast as possible which totally blows your point out the window.

Edit: I'd just like to point out here, we can both argue against both TTRR and BnG here, you could say, well it's your fault for wanting to use tricky and hard shots for BnG, and I could say, well it's your fault for wanting to TTRR on tighter maps, we both want the best out of the scheme, so i'll agree with 50/50 here.

This is no different from Ropers, you are "skating round those arrow keys" just as much with Ropers and WxW, especially with some maps people use, so again I don't agree it requires most dexterity.

And split second thinking/planning is an aspect of Ropers/WxW also.

I have to use BnG for a good point here, I need EXCEPTIONAL timing and reaction speed for getting the right "pwoer" in BnG's alot of shots only work with "1" level of pwoer, and i've had so many games where i've had to nail that 1st time, or risk losing the game next turn because my hide is easy to hit, which also makes me nervous which messes with your reaction speed because it's a mental challenge as well, you are talking about correcting any problems should they occur, at least you can still win correcting a few bad reactions in a TTRR under pressure, I have 1 chance, 1 turn to get that perfect pwoer and if I miss it theres no second chance should my opponent hit me the next turn, and this happens alot when the opponent is hiding evil or in a very very very tight hide and theres only 1 angle/level of pwoer that will get in.

Most BnG's I am sweating like hell because I am so into the game, especially on Thursdays with the BnG Tournament I get so into it I concentrate so much I get myself into this position on my chair, I actually have to take my top off and sit in my boxers because I get that hot and intense(I know this sounds weird lol).

This has nothing to do with because of the scheme, this is because you are passionate about TTRR and same with me and BnG, i've played BF2 online for years and that's intense as hell too, maybe even more so than the whole of WA imo, but it's totally different, I played Quake3 online for about a year, I even played some with GreeN, that shit is VERY intense, i've played golf online, WoW online, i've even played Genesis emulator online and that was intense lol, trust me, I know the feeling and glad we share the same passion, even if it's with different games and schemes

I can't accept that challenge D1, BnG is a HUGE part of my life, and helps to make points alot, NEVER !!! xD

Quote from: oldsock on March 19, 2011, 12:09 AM
i vote for an individual league for all schemes, not sure how it would look or how you would put it together but makes a lot of sense to me

I agree in a sense, but like not 10 Leagues lol, I would like TRL should swap schemes EVERY Season, next TTRR, next Hysteria, next WxW, next BnG, next Shoppa, next T17 etc...

What about BigRR? What about BTS? Lol just messing with ya.

You are right there, with an unbroken period of time, I can't argue with that, but still BnG's (because I care more) are much more nerveracking for me and for longer and can mess with you more than TTRR can, but that just comes down to the schemes you are passionate about, the more you don't want to lose, the more nervous you will get, the more tense it can be, and the more you want to get a record time, or a perfect shot, the same thing applies, taking into consideration you are right about this one point with "unbroken turns" that still doesn't make TTRR the top skill scheme or more League worthy than for example Hysteria, which I would choose before TTRR, I ain't saying TTRR doesn't deserve a League, like I said I want it to be the next TRL scheme.

I personally don't want 5 Leagues, am I not allowed to feel that way or something?

But seriously lol, I just done TTRR cup with Sniper, the last turn was intense, I knew I couldn't go as fast as I want because this trial version of Intes Keychanger doesn't work right, it keeps failing when I use space, that last turn I could have beat his time if I got that last climb right but still, at least it wasn't 2-0 lol.

Quote from: NAiL on March 18, 2011, 11:44 PM
Sure this goes for every scheme as you said Komo, but in ttrr you must hold your composure for a far longer single period of time than in ANY other scheme. Undeniable fact.

That's just lies, a last turn lasts what? 30-50 seconds? losing a BnG with like 10hp left against 100hp can last 5-10 minutes of nerveracking attempts at making a comeback and winning, which has happened alot to me.

D1 I was talking about BnG there.

I actually edited my post again btw lol.

Ok let me break down your example:

Timing: Sure this requires alot of timing for pressing the space and arrows at the right times, but it's equal to Ropers.

Precision: Every scheme requires this.

Dexterity: Same goes for Bungee Race/Ropers/JPRace for starters (for use of body) and in terms of mental skill, TTRR is one of the simplest, get from start to finish the fastest.

Forward thinking/Planning: These are more or less the same thing in TTRR as Ropers, thinking ahead to oncoming moves you must use to get the crate and attack, and same with in TTRR how to get round the course fastest, although even with this, it doesn't take alot seeing as TTRR's use a certain amount of "moves" to achieve the best speed round corners/climbs/etc, Elite/T17 definately take ALOT more of this than TTRR by a longshot.

Reaction speed: Again, it takes an equal amount like Ropers, if you fall, you must react faster to get going again, along with your hand reactions for using the keys.

As for "It is also a psychological test requiring composure and concentration in extreme proportions.", sorry but that's just a bunch of crap put together to look smart, I definately think I need to concentrate more playing BnG especially when losing because every shot counts, and as far as composure is concerned, everyone sits and has to be comfy for any scheme.

As for beers stupid comment, who is spamming? You are the one only posting "blah blah blah, f@#! f@#! f@#!" and saying NOTHING about this topic at all, either shutup or get involved, spammer lol.

Oh and this is advice for everyone: Don't leave bOr or beer will hate you forever.

Quote from: Cueshark on March 18, 2011, 10:50 PM
I'm not gonna get sucked into an endless debate about why TTRR is the most skillful scheme.

All I know is that TTRR tests many gaming skills.  Timing, precision, dexterity, forward thinking, planning, reaction speed.  It is also a psychological test requiring composure and concentration in extreme proportions.

There is no other scheme in my opinion which requires such training in all of these areas.

Let's just agree to differ about this k?

All those things mentioned applies to Roper for starters so you have failed right away, BnG also imo, timing and reaction speed for the pwoer bar, and trust me, it's not easy to get it right everytime, I even miss alot, and basically every scheme on WA has those same things.

A psychological test? You're going overboard lol, why don't we just train the military and NASA etc with Rope Races from now on?

We agreed to differ about this before it even started obviously lol, but we can both agree to shutup about it lol, if you however wanna chat about it in person because I am actually interested in hearing more of why you think TTRR is the "Top skill scheme" PM me or let's chat on MSN.

Cue, you suck at Ropers(a bit), so what? I suck at TTRR, so what? Get over it.

Well actually, maybe we don't suck lol, that's stupid, but i'm average at TTRR and strong at Roper, you are average at Roper and Strong at TTRR, is that better?

What you gonna do then?

Quote from: K1NG on March 18, 2011, 10:13 PM
BnG league ne1? ( with a2b rules ) xD

Lol mate, if there was even a 1% chance of having a BnG League on TuS, i'd actually use TuS rules

Quote from: oldsock on March 18, 2011, 09:58 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:27 PM
For example, my BnG is SO damn good, it scares people in Hysteria and Elite, what does TTRR help you with?

roper, elite, t17, wxw, shopper

Does it? Funny how Cueshark isn't a good Roper, and Ryan sucked at Ropers too, and how does it help you with 2 shots of a Rope on Elite? And how does TTRR help you in T17 when you only have 1 Rope? Ropers help you with WxW and Shoppers imo, not TTRR.

In fact, you barely even have to be capable of roping for most Shopper maps.

Quote from: Maciej on March 18, 2011, 09:42 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:37 PM
Lol Cue, I have the proof to back my claims.

FB and TuS and a2b, look at my stats, then look at yours and Mablaks, no one will ever reach the win % I have in BnG.

I dare anyone to try, this is just to prove you are wrong about TTRR btw, if I had any other way to prove you wrong, i'd be doing that instead of this.

I will always be more cocky than you

well, I will have to repeat myself - more ppl play ttrr than bng, and look, at ttrr you get only 3 chances to get time, so it's really hard to get perfect in this scheme, in bng you get much more turns to try, so even if you fail 3, you are still in game

Yeah, well that's what I think too but then, you can play like 5-6 TTRRs in the time a BnG takes and you can warm all day on one game lol, in terms of "what looks better" more people prefer almost anything to BnG lol, but in terms of statistics and Leagues, my point still stands.

Nice double post lol

Quote from: Cueshark on March 18, 2011, 09:47 PM

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 09:37 PM
Lol Cue, I have the proof to back my claims.

FB and TuS and a2b, look at my stats, then look at yours and Mablaks, no one will ever reach the win % I have in BnG.

I dare anyone to try, this is just to prove you are wrong about TTRR btw, if I had any other way to prove you wrong, i'd be doing that instead of this.

I will always be more cocky than you

Ok, let's open a new topic to argue who has the biggest penis.

Meanwhile we'll let this thread get back on topic.

But if TTRR wasn't the most skillful scheme, how come we have tool asssited replays to show us what is actually possible but replays we could never achieve unless we were super human robots.  

That is how awesome TTRR is.  Even after multiple years of training no one can come close to what is actually possible.

That just shows it isn't the most skillful, because nobody can achieve "whats possible", lol why are you even using this as a point, it's totally flawed.

And you could say the SAME thing about Ropers and BungeeRace and so many other schemes.