well, thats the cool part about the tank being between the computer, and kitchen...

when im on computer, i get a very nice view, and the opposite side, is the kitchen sink... the faucet has one of those extension hoses on it, you know?? so i can just extend the hose right into the tank...   

i just need a small independent hose to siphon the water out, but again.. right into the sink, so no problem... for that reason, should be easy cleaning, and re-filling.

but yea, the pH levels and stuff, this is something i was not familiar with, after i bought the tank and got home, i cleaned it outside with the garden hose, i used dish soap, cleaned it, rinsed it good, and brought it inside to fill it up... then the previous owner called me and says "i forgot to tell you, when you clean it dont use any chemical, not even dish soap!" lol.... so now i have to drain it all, and he said to take it out into the sun, and let the sun evaporate any soup residue that may be left behind... he said even the smallest of soap suds that could be in the tank will kill the fish..

he also says i have to get some kind of chemical thing to put into the tank water, and let that sit for at least a week before putting any fish, or the fish again will die... regular water from the kitchen sink is not ok for fish, the water has to be treated.... so yah, there is a lot of work involved, before, and after i get the fish, but im hoping that being so close to the sink, it wont be as difficult... i still have a lot to learn with the fish tank...

i am not sure what fish i will get yet either... i know salt water fish have much more exotic coloring, and just all around cooler, i have a heating unit for the tank if i did choose to go salt water (i guess the water temp needs to be regulated with salt water fish) but, with salt water there is so much more work, time, and money involved..... where as fresh water aquariums are much more self sufficient, easy maintenance, and less money.... so, i think we will go with fresh water fish, i was possibly thinking turtles... i really like turtles, i think they are pretty damn cool swimming around, thats why  i had not filled the tank all the way up, i believe turtles only need half water, then alot of rocks that are outside of the water for them to sit on... i believe i would need a high powered heating lamp for turtles too though, so they can "sun bath" im not sure... this all stuff i need to look into...

not sure if i can have a mixture of turtles, and fish... or if the turtles will just eat all the fish, but that would be cool too, having a mixture of both, being its a pretty big tank.

you have a fishy tank nino?? or experience with them?? what do you recommend? are salt water tanks extremely difficult to maintain?? or not so bad?? because i would rly love to have salt water, if it was not such a difficult task... it would be really cool to have some small octopus, sea horse, jelly fish, and small shark!!!

if you know about fishy tanks, then "school" me... get it?? its a fish pun

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-190456/

start from 24:00

TOMT fell without collecting his cr8, and after his turn, sudden death was announced.

i felt as if i can collect cr8, and attack... after all, that is the standard rule above anything else(crate before attack)... stylez however felt i should have touched 2 walls before an attack.

My questions are this:

1) what if i had touched both walls, but left the crate until my retreat time... i believe i would have people yelling cow at me then as well... i was kind of under the impression that because my opponent made the mistake of leaving a crate behind, i could capitalize on this, by collecting his crate and attacking...  i dont think his mistake should make me do more work!! such as both collecting cr8, and touching walls before attack.

2) what about if a crate does not fall anywhere, and the game does not officially declare sudden death??  is this your lucky day?? you can attack with no obligations?

RULES: - Crate before attack (CBA): You must collect a health crate before attacking your opponent (touch both walls instead at sudden death). If you break this rule you aren't allowed to attack the next turn.

this leaves things kind of open ended, i must collect a health crate before attacking my opponent, and i did so....  but then it says touch both walls instead at sudden death....

also, its important to know (just in case the mods dont watch the rest of the game) that i did make another cow directly after that "possible cow" i went wall 2 wall, but on my second wall i did a common mistake of a shadow, rather then a drop down/spike in order to touch the wall.... so, i failed to touch both walls before attack, stylez for some reason accuses me of doing this on purpose. (despite my 2v1 advantage, healthy lead, and 200hp worm) and i know this is just a "he said she said" situation, but i absolutely did not do it on purpose, i was not even aware i did it until they told me so... but thats besides the point, after i realized i did in fact miss a wall, i skipped my following turn (i even went w2w before skip, just for good measures)

@stylez: in the future, you have to finish the game, its important that you know this, because dt could indeed declare the win just for the simple fact that you quit... so in future games, always finish, and then make a complaint if needed.

but, i do not want to take the win for that reason (quit) if i did do 2 cows in a row, and only took penalty for one, i think the game should be void, and re-matched.

i also think the MODS should not just make a decision, and jump to the next complaint, they should make the rules surrounding crates, and wall to wall much more clear.

hyst, t17, and elite glitches do not seem to be a big problem, mainly because if you exploit those possible glitches, there is no way to pretend as if it was a mistake lol...

for example: if you go on the roof in a t17, it was very much on purpose.

if you knock in elite to gain advantage (and it was clearly no accident) it was most likely on purpose...

i have not seen many situations where ppl exploit this, but again, i have not monitored all complaints, so i dont know, the complaint mods would have a better knowledge if rules like this need to be made (either way, i suppose it could not hurt to come up with a definitive solution)

can we get back to dt's roper game with stylez(slk)  i do realize i did one cow, when i shadowed down to make attack, rather then a simple drop/spike down to touch wall... im really not sure how he can get off saying i did it on purpose, anyone who has experience in sudden death roper im sure has seen this situation more than once, its mostly a mistake, not on purpose.

but that is regardless, it really does not matter if i did it on purpose or not... the fact is i cowed, and i accepted penalty for that... the question i guess lies with in the first cow he claimed i did.

Anubis says that the rules quote that in sudden death, you must touch both walls before attack... i was always under the assumption (for over 10 years) that if there is a cr8 on the map, you collect the cr8 before attack...

examples number 1: what happens when the game does not officially declare sudden death, but yet the crate do no drop?? is it ok to attack with no duties before hand?

example number 2: what happens if i had done a w2w, and then made an attack, and i collected my crate in my retreat... dont you think i would have people hollering at me that i did not collect a crate before attack?

so, does this mean when your opponent makes a mistake and does not collect his crate right before sudden death, you should have 2 duties before an attack? i dont believe that is right.

the rules definitely need to be more clear in this situation, what is everyone else's thought about this situation?? again, if your an experienced roper i am sure you have seen this situation before, even though its sudden death, when a cr8 is still on the map, people would normally collect the cr8 and then attack... i thought that was a pretty common practice...

well, i guess this game needs to be taken to the complaint forum now, i thought it was an open and shut situation, by according to anubis there is some room for debate.

ill open a complaint thread, but this should still be discussed in the "updating rules" thread. thnx

i took cr8 b4 attack, that was not a cow (regardless if it was SD or not)

my last turn i did cow, i admitted to that, it was not intentional, and i believe i had time to attack by dropping down and a simple wall touch, but regardless if i could touch the wall, or if it was not intentional, it was a cow.

i took the proper penalty... i even did a w2w to be fair, before i went to be desired hide.  :X

wasn't lame.

just got this fish tank recently, seen it on craigslist, and the dimensions fit on the kitchen peninsula so perfectly...

just happens to be right over the computer desk, so thats even better!! put some cool LED lights in there, but do not have any fish yet... have not made it to the pet store, also ill fill it to the top with water obviously... ill post more pics when its fishy!!

ok senator, yeah i did not realize there was already rules for high damage cows...

because like i said, if there is a chance to do a huge damage in wxw, why even go to the walls or cr8s, just take the shot and accept a penalty.. skip turn does not seem so bad after a super attack..

but if MI has already done this, then np.

@DarkOne: obviously it will be impossible to cover every single situation, and the rules would be far too long, but lets face it... the current rules are lacking a lot of detail, if we can find a happy medium between the current rules, and covering every aspect that will ever happen, we would be in a good place (as far as rules go)

in order to really do such a thing, i think being a complaint mod would help, so you can really see what needs updates, and what can go without.

also when typing out the rules, you can type the overall rules that are important to everyone, and at the bottom you can have side notes regarding each topic...

example at the bottom of the rules page

notes on skips: 1)
2)
3)
notes on darkside: 1)
2)
3)
4)
notes on high damage cows: 1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

this would mainly be references for the MODS, rather then just trying to pull answers out of their ass, they can have actual guidelines to follow.

Quote from: SPW on May 11, 2015, 03:54 PM
Let it be, really. I can understand what MI is telling you and.. he is not wrong at all. So just respect it and work on your reputation. Also, sometimes its better just to shut up and think twice before post.

No offense, Komo and Avi.

how can you say MonkeyIsland is not wrong at all SPW?? its his opinion, maybe you share the same opinion as him, but you are not the judge of his opinions being right or wrong, sorry bud.

I think my reputation is just fine, i have nothing at all to work on, as far as my reputation goes...... i will agree tho, there are times i should think before i talk/type.. both in real life, and on the internet.

No offense taken SPW. and i am prepared to "Let it be, really." as soon as people stop addressing me in their posts  

senator, good job opening a thread like this... that is a start.

but the facts are, no matter how detailed you try to get things from the top of your head, its going to be a fail.

you really need to update rules as the complaints come in.

this is worms, there will always be some crazy outcome or situation that will pop up, and a quick little update in the rules will be required.

i will say this, what you have done is a great start (anything was better then the previous set of rules) but... maybe you should volunteer to be a complaint mod, and when a complaint comes up that does not have a definitive answer in the rulebook, then you can make the proper changes.


i honestly think wxw needs some more complex rules when it comes to cows, and penalties...

for example: if i am playing a wxw on a hard map, where only 50% or less turns are actual attacks (because the map is so hard) then, why not just skip a wall, and go for an attack??  my penalty is just to skip the next turn?? seems like an ok deal.

i can either ..

option 1) attack on my first turn, have the proper time to make a full attack(after a cow ((missing a wall)) , and skip my second turn...   

option 2) try to touch all walls, and make no attack... or worse, fall in the middle of map and give my opponent easy attack... and then on my next turn, could be the same situation.

my point is, a simple skip is not much of a penalty, i think option 1 has a better chance of making full damage shot, and less risk to fall (my second turn i did not even have to risk a fall, i just get to collect my cr8 and return to my hide)

so, it most definitely will get complex, but i think its needed to make multiple different penalties, maybe the penalties would be based on the damage done per cow

examples: when you cow and do damage 25hp or less, you skip a turn with collecting cr8 and hide of your choice... when you cow and do damage 26-50hp you skip a turn without cr8, but a hide of you choice.... when you cow 51-75hp you skip a turn without cr8, and without hide of your choice (f12 + space at start)

and when you cow 75hp+ you should skip turn, skip cr8, do no move... just aim zook to ground, and self zook yourself.

maybe having 4 different variations would be too tricky, and complex for people to remember in game?? maybe not? im not sure... but there should be some other variation then what we currently have.

on a hard map, i would rather get a full attack and take a small penalty (less risk of falling too) then take 2 turns, both having low chances of success.

MI, i understand your "feelings" on me, are based on my actions on TUS... uhmm... no shit?? they obviously are not based on my actions at the bar last saturday night, when i got on the karaoke machine, and made a complete ass of myself...

they are based on TUS, no kidding dude...  but the thing your failing to understand is, just because your feelings of me (based on my actions at tus) are that im a hot head, or a silly f@#!, or not cut out for a mod, does not mean thats everyones feelings of me... stop pretending like your actions are justified, and your giving solid reasons why... your actions are based on YOUR OPINION of me, and the only solid reason why your actions are justified, is because this is your website... just roll with that, its more respectable, i actually do respect the fact that TUS is yours, and you make the decisions, im glad you have found your balls, for a while they were at the very bottom of your purse

as far as me and komo, I'll take jabs at him until the day i die, and he will return them. that does not mean we do not have respect for one another, we have known each other well over ten years, if you do not have any people in your life that you exchange harmless banter at with, but still have respect for... then maybe you need to get out more.

and come on dude, are we really comparing a worms armageddon league mod, to a politician? lol... wait... really? seriously?? ... 

or is that a joke?... it must be a joke!! LOL! GOOD ONE MI!! buahuahauah i knew you had a good sense of humor hidden deep inside of you, lmfao.. that was a good one dude, you made a funny!!!   worms politicians hahahahah cant stop laughing now

lets just end this thread on that funny joke...

i suppose i can respect that view on things...

but, they have been doing it... they do generally explain when there is a delay, etc.

they have a visual graph on one website (i dont know the link) that shows their progress.

also remember, they have been putting out updates leading up to 4.0 almost every year, for the past several years.

you also have to keep in mind TUS is not the designated forum for DC and CS to discuss updates, they dont really have much ties to TUS, or any obligation to inform TUS members of their progress, maybe someone else can link you to the websites with more update information and that graph i mentioned, but i do not know the links.

Quote from: DarkOne on May 10, 2015, 09:59 PM
Too much bullshit in complaints and such is a major reason for moderators to stop - it takes up too much time. Sometimes, there's already 5 pages to wade through in one complaint before the working days are over.

and that is what me and komo have volunteered to do, not only be moderators, but to fix the rules, so there is much less bullshit in these threads...

it just enhances the things i have said in the beginning of this post, before things went way out of control, and pretty much off topic.

its completely asinine that you mods will find at least one complaint a week that really has found a fine line with-in the rule book, and could pretty much land on either side of the tracks, yet.. all you do is make a final decision about the specific game and move on... but then you will make comments in threads like this "omg, it sucks to be a mod, there is so much drama in the complaint section, and im so tired when i get home from work"

if the rule book was fixed, then it would be a simple copy and paste away, virtually anyone could be a mod.

I would hate to say it, but i kind of wish ropa was here, we may not agree on most things, but i bet he would be driving home all the points i am trying to make. 

I know exactly what MI is going to say, "well whats stopping your from making fixes in the rules?? you could have done that at any point" or something similar, and sure, he is right... i could read the rule book, and try to brain storm things that need to be added, but that would be a mega fail (just as the first rule book) you need the hands on experience, and case-by-case examples to draw inspiration from.

So, if MI is too stubborn to make komo a MOD, he could always follow along in the complaint section, and with each complaint, take note if the rule book could/should have an update.. that would be a great help in the community, but at the same time, its a slap in the face to him suggesting he cant simultaneously be a MOD, so that would be komo decision.

@komo: If MI is setting these stipulations to be MOD, that you have to turn into some tree hugging, dick riding, alter boy... watch your language at all times, refrain from getting in any debates, name calling, or otherwise controversial behavior, i would strongly suggest you do not do that, komo.... this community needs you komo, we need you just how you are, dont change just to become a silly ass MOD... we dont need another computer generated personality haunting the ultimate site, we need real people.... im sorry, but i like when people present to the community who they are, regardless how silly, crazy, egotistical, angry, vindictive, happy, or any other descriptive word they are... cant stand it when some of these robotic people (i wont mention any names) just acts in a professional manner as if this is some work environment... i mean, if that is how you really act in your real life, then that is ok, continue to be yourself, but its not fun, did you notice your lack of friends outside of the work place?   so, f@#! the mod position komo, f@#! what monkeyisland thinks of us, and be you. dont change for anyone. you have been you for the 10+ years i have known you, if you change just because some Iranian video game admin does not think your cut out to be on his team, i would lose a great deal of respect for Scottish men everywhere. :p

Darkone: dont take what i said out of context, about the walking on eggshells bit.

ANO: this man seems to be the only person here that really gets it

MonkeyIsland: im glad you finally admit that you made your choice based on your personal feelings about me, and your right... you have every right to do this... its your league, but lets not be all koom-by-yah anymore, and pretend that you always do what the community wants, ok?  your doing what you want... and i respect that, its about time you grew some f@#!ing balls, and do whats best for this community without having a little pow-wow before every decision.

if you think its best that im not MOD, im proud that you put your foot down, kudos to you, but ill be damned if ill ever apologies to you for the remarks i made, however.. i will say i took it too far when i called you a "private forum rat" i have no proof that MI has read any private forums, but i do have proof that he "browsed" or "viewed"  however you would like to word it... what he was doing there, is beyond me, i have no idea...  i don't really care... i DO NOT think that MI reads private material for any kind of benefit to him, such as clan chat, etc.... if he was reading FoS forums, im not sure.. i would not blame him, im sure everyone is a bit curious as to what actually goes on there... but as i said, we moved our really private, and juicy stuff outside of FoS, so feel free to stop in at any time.

my very first post about this specific topic, was that you "browsed" private forums, if you prefer "viewed" our private forums, then i apologize, i never said you "read our private forums" because i can not prove that, but i can prove that you viewed.

you then retaliated with the name calling, when you called me a liar, so i will admit that i took it too far with "private forum rat" but i am no f@#!ing liar, and to me, thats the worst thing you can call anyone!! your attacking my character as a man, and i take more offense to that then any f@#!ing little internet bullshit.

there is two things you do not call a man unless.... number 1) its the truth, or number 2) your looking for a fight.

thats a liar, and a thief, and a liar is even worse then a thief, a thief's only after your salary, a liar is after your reality.

but whatever, whats done is done, you called me a liar, and i called you a private forum rat, im not looking for an apology from you though... and if your really waiting for one from me, you will be waiting for a long time my friend.. if you want to ban me because you don't receive one, lets start my time now... i just hope its not a life sentence.

Komo, its not that i was not paying attention "as usual", its just that you keep asking the same questions over and over, and keep getting the same answers over and over. and i answered one question, to your 2 part question.

"Can we have an E.T.A on an actual decision here please? When will you analyze these games?"

MonkeyIsland has now analyzed games, you got the results you were hoping for, i hope that helps you sleep better at night..

So please stop bumping this thread with the same question, you know the outcome of his analyze, and you know things will change in the next season.  ok? the E.T.A is next season, stop asking

this is nothing more then a hobby for them, regardless if the career they are in matches this hobby or not. (im not sure if it does or not)

whats your hobby? playing the guitar? can you put out a detailed development plan/progress report on when your going to learn to play each and every song on a Jimmy Hendrix CD, and then stick to that plan faithfully? of course not, its just a hobby.

appreciate they put their time into it, dont be bossy ;p

lmfao!! that was pretty funny, we appreciate your good humor.

well, we are going to give a vote for you to join, but if your friends want to join they have to make their own post of course.

but, we will vote for sure, and get back to you with an answer with in the next couple of months or so..

but, you have not told us your age? it is very important that you are at least 18 years or older, thnx.