Here Ray, have some.

Quote from: Komito on October 12, 2012, 01:24 PM
Yes, I really did quit b2b.

Ok

LoL is holding the monopoly now so we're talking now, not a few years ago. I don't see players switch from Dota 2 to LoL, do you?

I clearly said I've last played the game like 3 years ago (for more than 5 minutes btw, actually for a couple weeks) and I'm glad to be proven wrong. How much experience do you have in DotA then? Because the last thing I remember was you trying out the Dota 2 beta and then deciding to stick to LoL after like 2 games or so?

As I said it comes down to personal preference. If you like what you have in LoL then that's fine with me, I just can't be arsed playing it after I've experienced high level DotA. I said I don't wanna discuss either, I stated what I think about the game and that's it.

Oh and LoL has been out for how long? It's quite obvious that it holds the genre monopoly since DotA 1 was/is way harder to access for your average gamer (only offers 3rd party platforms like Garena or Dotalicious, not counting Battlenet because it sucks in this regard) and Dota 2 is still not out of the beta aka available free 2 play for everyone. So you can guess how much value that argument holds to me.

It's also funny to see many players switch from LoL to Dota 2, not the other way round.

You asked for it, I'll give you my main problems with LoL.

1. The map is simply less complex. It doesn't have high-/lowgrounds which are very nice tactical assets, it doesn't have destructible terrain (yes, you can destroy trees with certain abilities/items in DotA) and the juking through the grass feels inferior to DotA jukes too but I can't back that one up because the last time I played LoL was like 3 years back.

2. Some champions are semi-complete copies of DotA heroes (popular clones like Ashe/Drow Ranger or Pudge/Blitzcrank go here). This is not a bad thing because DotA heroes have great diversity in what they can do. But this feels very different on LoL..
Correct me if I'm wrong on the following part but I've never seen a champion who can control creeps and micro them in a fight (except for that Warlock-like champ which can summon a golem with her ult), neither Illusions and that kind of stuff.. Many abilities just deal damage to a target or in some AoE, either have a stun or slow and that's about it. So I claim that hero abilities on LoL are less diverse than those in DotA.

3. You can't deny that you can't deny (LoL!). And that takes away a very important fact in the laning phase: In an evenly matched lane (2 equally strong champs) you can't deny your opponent EXP and gold through superior lasthitting skills. In LoL all you do is lasthit everything there is because nobody can stop you from doing so, "zoning" can't be an argument here because it also exists in DotA (harass/positioning), it's just another factor of laning which both games have.

4. There's no outside-the-base shop or courier. The secret shops in DotA make it harder to safely acquire high value items. You can be ganked while getting them, or if you send your courier it can be sniped. Cpuriers also add to laning potential, bottle-crowing (using a bottle to heal yourself and fly it back to the fountain with the courier to fill it up, then get it back again etc) is a common yet expensive strategy if you wanna go with a hero who is likely to lose the lane but you still wanna go with it because it contributes great possibilities to your team.

5. In DotA, to dominate the mid lane and in many cases the flow of the early game, you have to be in control over the rune which spawns every 2 minutes randomly at one of two rune spots. I understand that killing certain jungle creeps gives buffs to the one who deals the killing blow, but that's just not the same because there's a jungle on both sides - it's a thing which both teams have, basically.

6. The shop system. I can't stress this enough. How much $$$ do you have to spend to get all the champions unlocked? Or how many hours do you have to play the game? Just to get permanent access to the champions? The whole concept takes away the chance equality.. Imagine this: I start playing LoL and through my DotA knowledge I'll be pretty good in just a few weeks. So now I wanna start playing competitive but wait! I haven't unlocked all the champs yet. Np, I'll just try with what I have - say 20 unlocked ones. They pick champ X. Through my knowledge of the game I know champ Y is a good counter to champ X. But I can't pick it because I haven't unlocked it. Tough luck, gotta go with a worse pick... And then comes the mastery system which is pretty much the same, either you start out low or you gotta spend your dollars to be pro.

7. Server waiting times. I don't need to elaborate on this one, you know how annoying shit can be when it says "over 9.000 people in line before you" or whatever exactly it says.

You really don't need to be a genius to see how there's just more depth in DotA (terrain/courier/runes/shops). Not saying that one game is better than the other, it's your personal preference I guess and depends on what you're looking for. But the depth creates a higher skillcap and therefore DotA is better suited for professional e-Sports.

I bet I could find a few more things but I can't be arsed now. There's good things in LoL though: Despite the shop thing it's more noob friendly than Dota 2 currently is and attracts more casual gamers.

Quote from: Camper on October 10, 2012, 11:29 AM
the skills in LoL are more complex than in DotA, it's not just select an unit and booom. You gotta have much more timing

Plus, I love'd recall system

Now I wonder what the hell you did the last couple years when you played DotA. Solo matches with Skeleton King?

ropa, I don't wanna discuss this further, if you look at the facts you know it's true. gg wp

You gotta record the sound separately or use Armageddon Recorder (highly recommended because awesome). Or other capturing software (Fraps etc).

No use defending that game ropa, it's not as deep/complex as DotA. Also Riot have shown that they can't handle a 2 million dollar event, leaving behind lots and lots of disappointed viewers.. Those are facts.

Quote from: Komito on October 10, 2012, 04:43 AM
You can still notch even with 1s turn time, but to be honest, I don't care anymore and don't HAVE to care anymore, so meh, you guys deal with it lol.

Let's not forget, it was someone in b2b who openly gave out all this notching information.

Tear and feather him!! Because it wouldn't have happened eventually anyway.

Quote from: Camper on October 10, 2012, 02:26 AM
I really enjoyd it.

What part? Not being able to deny? No courier? Roshan backwards?

You're playing LoL, Camper? I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. f@#! Riot, they're newbs!! Dota 2 all the way.

See you in a couple days.

Quote from: Wojtes on October 05, 2012, 02:59 PM
KILL the steam WA!! I'm sure it will cause enormus problems in the future (like now in Kurnik pl if u play makao with java with the person who plays on 'NO JAVA" beta...) grr

You sure you know what you're talking about..?

A friend of mine is playing it, it's free on Steam right? It's not my type of game really but he says it's fun.

1 German player in the 1st 1.