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Crate War

Crate War

Scheme #3386, Viewed 1749 Time(s)

Basic Information
Summary
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Utility probability
18.1% Fast Walk
13.6% Damage x2
13.6% Low Gravity
13.6% Crate Spy
13.6% Double Time
9% Laser Sight
9% Jet Pack
4.5% Invisibility
4.5% Crate Shower
Crate probability
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Scheme Rate
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Total Members Voted: 1
Acronym: Crate War
Name: Crate War
Type: Battle, Rubberworm
Submitted by: Portugal Crespo

  • Please note that super weapons are on, it means that even if their crate probability in the scheme weapons options are set to 0, there's still chance for them to appear in game.
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Time: August 24, 2020, 12:41 PM
Description:
Crate War is a scheme I tweaked from Only Crates (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2338/), which was pointed to me by Ashtar.
The concept is that of a Team17 game, but with a faster pace due to more crates being present, while at the same time being less explosive than Kaos (using a weapon will end your turn). Unlike Team17, it is not limitated to double-tunnel cave maps.
The stockpiling ON option provides the chance to save all the unused stuff for later rounds, but also adds the concern to not to waste your goodies.
It can be played on 1x1, but is more fun on multiplayer (although it is harder to find a full set of players that don't quit mid-round, so far I was only able to finish a best-of-3 session against 1 solo opponent  :().
All weapon powers are normal (I was thinking on making the Mole at 5-star - and even there, its blast isn't as powerful as a Bazooka! - in order to compensate for its usual uselessness).
Tweaking this scheme has been work in progress and changes might happen in the meantime as I get more feedback from players.

A few insights on why I am tweaking the scheme:

Arsenal starting kit:

Infinite Prod: some basic form of pushing worms around should be allowed from the start, plus it is very sad to collect a Prod crate;

5x Blowtorch / Drill / Girder: 5 of these things seem to be enough to help you move around and collect crates. You will probably collect some additional crates with these, although you might be sad for that. I am certainly not into making Girder infinite, because that can cause the blocking game on 1 worm x 1 worm situation.

3x Ninja Rope: Several other similar schemes feature infinite ropes. This creates a game with a repetitive flow, at least 1 rope certainly used every turn, and would create a bias between skilled ropers and other wormers, to whom the flow of the game would soon be unpleasant. I search for a fun scheme that demands creativity both from using a weapon to attack and to move around and collect crates, but that does not demand a high degree of skill for every turn. Therefore, I added 3 ropes (normal-power, 1 extra shot) for a very limited use. It is up to the player to decide to use them all in the first round, but he or she should remember that stockpiling is ON. Finally, in the early versions of this scheme, I noticed that Rope crates were rather unfair, because they allow the player who collected one (containing a boost of +3 ropes) to go crazy collecting much more than its opponent. I was on the both sides of this unfair advantage and found that it bluntly decided the outcome of the game in favor of the first player to collect the rope crate, by which I removed rope crates.

Infinite Bungee: There is already Parachute for nice flights down that you can use, so Bungee, being more basic, is removed from crates and made infinite.

5x Parachute: Parachute can allow you some nice flights with the right kind of wind, for which I decided not to make it infinite, but with 5 in your starting kit, it will probably be enough for a couple of flights in each round, just remember to use Bungee when you simply want to go down.

9x Teleport: Teleport is the basic way to collect crates, and one that every player will use probably once in each round given that there is no Select Worm option, and often worms are placed where no crate can be collected. I decided not to add infinite Teleports just so that no situation of infinite teleporting happens when one final worm is chasing the other players's final worm.

Other relevant scheme settings:

Randomly timed mines: The feeling of having a 3-sec mine around you is that you feel safe walking around and deactivating it. I want players to feel uncomfortable with a mine around them. Randomly timed mines provide the thrill of an attempt for a lucky escape at each corner, but not a guaranteed success.

Rubberworm Kaosmod4: Among other utility probabilities changes, this setting allows the removal of double damage crates. As known, this instant utility can be devastating. The game already has a large random factor for it being a crate-based scheme, I believe double damage is unnecessary.

Bungee from jetpack and speedwalking disabled: I never found it neither interesting or funny that you could throw yourself of a bungee in mid-air, and always disliked speedwalkers. I finally have a chance to do a scheme where neither of this is allowed.  :)

Collecting health crate cures poison of collecting worm only: I also never thought it made sense to have a sick worm cured from poison if a teammate collects an health crate. Given that Crate War is a crate scheme and health crates are expected to also fall down, Skunk would lose a lot of its power if collecting an health crate by a sane worm would cure allied sick worms. I am yet to use a Skunk on this scheme, but I expect this change to add value to that weapon.

On map style and strategy:
Any kind of map can be played in this scheme as long as is not too open, in my opinion. However, while playing on an island, it will happen that often drop zones are located in highly dangerous spots. One of the main strategical focus during each round should be to be able to reach these spots while at the same time having a good hide.

Finally, thanks to all the guys that have been giving me a constructive feedback on these tweaks over the last months or just playing, namely Kayz, Unicorn, Ashtar.
Scheme game options
Game options
100
2
100%
Time options
25
45
3
5
5
Crate options
50
Sudden death options
13
Objects options
8
4
Help
General options
Scheme weapons options
Weapons options
Help
Ammo
Delay
Power
Crates
%
Jet Pack
0
Low Gravity
0
Fast Walk
0
Laser Sight
0
Invisibility
0
Bazooka
0
Homing Missile
0
Mortar
0
Homing Pigeon
0
Sheep Launcher
0
Grenade
0
Cluster Bomb
0
Banana Bomb
0
Battle Axe
0
Earth Quake
0
Shotgun
0
Handgun
0
Uzi
0
Minigun
0
Longbow
0
Fire Punch
0
Dragon Ball
0
Kamikaze
0
Suicide Bomber
0
Prod
Inf
Dynamite
0
Mine
0
Sheep
0
Super Sheep
0
Mole Bomb
0
Air Strike
0
Napalm Strike
0
Mail Strike
0
Mine Strike
0
Mole Squadron
0
Blow Torch
5
Pnuematic Drill
5
Girder
5
Baseball Bat
0
Girder Starter Pack
0
Ninja Rope
3
Bungee
Inf
Parachute
5
Teleport
9
Scales of Justice
0
Super Banana Bomb
0
Holy Hand Grenade
0
Flame Thrower
0
Sally Army
0
MB Bomb
0
Petrol Bomb
0
Skunk
0
Ming Vase
0
French Sheep Strike
0
Mike's Carpet Bomb
0
Mad Cow
0
Old Woman
0
Concrete Donkey
0
Indian's Nuclear Test
0
Armageddon
0
Skip Go
0
Surrender
0
Worm Select
0
Freeze
0
Patsy's Magic Bullet
0
Damage x2
0
Scheme extended game options
Scheme extended game options
Gravity
0.23828
Terrain Friction
0.95703
Petrol Turn Decay
0.19922
Maximum projectile speed
32.00049
Maximum rope speed
16.00024
Maximum Jet Pack speed
5.00007
Maximum crate count on map at once
8
X-Impact loss of control
Game engine speed
1.00001
Health crates cure poison
Cure collecting worm
Jet Pack Bungee glitch
Skip-walking
Disabled
Block roofing
Block everywhere
RubberWorm gravity strength
1.00001
RubberWorm crate rate
3
RubberWorm crate shower
RubberWorm Kaos mod
25, 25, 0, 5, 20, 10, 10, 5, 0
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Author Topic: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo  (Read 1780 times)

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Offline Ashtar

Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« on: August 27, 2020, 11:59 AM »
Good work, Crespo. I have always been fond of this scheme. It creates interesting situations and helps players to improve their skills with all weapons, including those we rarely use. Although I think I prefer the original Only Crates scheme, your version still gives the good feeling and will hopefully help making the scheme more popular. I have hosted Only Crates many times. A frequent feedback I have received is that we need to be able to move around more easily, such as by adding ropes. Your scheme is more friendly toward players who are either somewhat inexperienced or merely impatient.

When I host the good old scheme Bows and Clusters (BnC), only the most patient souls stay. It is like Only Crates but even without Teleport. We start with only Longbow, Cluster Bomb and usually a few utilities such as Parachute. It was the scheme that enchanted me when I first entered WormNet back in 2003. I still host it with success sometimes, but it seems to be far too slow for modern wormkind.

https://worms2d.info/Bows_and_Clusters

Offline Crespo

Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2020, 05:46 PM »
I decided to deactivate the Donor Cards.
It might be rather unfair if you decide to save some super weapon for later rounds and it gets stolen due to a Donor Card.
I didn't see a big hit on a Donor Card yet while playing the scheme, but it might happen.

Offline eule

Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2020, 09:10 PM »
when trying to load this scheme via hosting buddy in 3.8 i get the following error:

Error with tus-wa.com request: Invalid scheme file

when trying to load this scheme via normal hosting in 3.8 i get the following error:

ERROR: Invalid Scheme Data Values

sounds cool though

Offline Dream Trance

Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2021, 11:03 PM »
This scheme from the Intermediate scheme precursor needs more recognition. I may even make a px version for those who would like to play with unique tactical px tools, I like the idea a lot.

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Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2021, 02:51 AM »
In my opinion Only Crates is very different from Intermediate, it has more to do with Team17 than intermediate, but is still different because it works with crate shower, which I loved about WWP,  and Crespo used to play that game too.

So this is an Only Crates variation, maybe a variant, I didn't test it, but I know Only Crates and I think it was more cool than T17, due to the Crate Shower from WWP, that is different from the RubberWorm one. Although Only Crates is not very well balanced in my opinion, and way too random, somehow like Kaos is maybe.

That's why I like variations that cope with the original scheme issues. I have my own variation/variant of only crates that was my first ever scheme, called Moles n' Crates. I plan to recreate this scheme when Crate Shower become available in WA. I simply don't like playing only crates using RubberWorm crate shower, it is different and that annoys me. So I refuse to publish my first scheme using RW crate shower, because will not be the way I liked to play.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2021, 03:00 AM by FoxHound »
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Offline Dream Trance

Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2021, 04:11 AM »
I was referring to Crespo (him being the Intermediate scheme precursor in 2002-2003), not that this scheme is similar to Intermediate ;)

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Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2021, 05:22 AM »
But intermediate was created by Team17. Crespo made a competitive variation from it, then. For me it is like saying you created Kaos when you actually made a competitive variation from it, which is nice too, but it is not the same thing.
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Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2021, 05:37 AM »
Crespo is not precursor of Intermediate scheme, he is the successor of the scheme.
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Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2021, 02:14 PM »
Whatever you call it, just wanted to say that he contributed a lot to it in the early years.

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Re: Scheme #3386, Crate War submitted by Crespo
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2021, 04:27 PM »
Whatever you call it, just wanted to say that he contributed a lot to it in the early years.

Yes, he contributed a lot to Worms community and a lot to science too with his studies about spiders.
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