Kaos

100% agree with alien, I have thousands kaos games played, believe me /kaosmod2 is the only working mod for kaos, this shit is the wierst scheme ever was made for kaos, I wont play any official game with it in, absolutely disbalanced in all the ways. Put wowwow scheme back, this one just make me laugh, its like playing ttrr without chute, wxw with autoplacment, shopper with random mines, elite with infinity ropes, hyst with nana etc etc etc

This is the problem with TUS, no one wants to discuss issues until they really have to, I tried to get the discussion going earlier. Well, and of course the discussion should've happened well before Kaos came to rotated league.

I've had much more balanced games with this scheme than any other version, but they should allow for choosing either scheme, I have no idea why this change was made without more thorough discussion. But can you guys give concrete reasons why the wowwow scheme is better please?

In the wowwow scheme, you can pretty much depend on double time or double damage appearing every turn, or every other turn. While knowing how to use DD is an important skill to have, having it available constantly makes skill with regularly powered weapons much less significant, and you don't have to plan moves as accurately. I think people should have to spend more time thinking about combos, rather than just saving up weapons and knowing they can destroy the map in one turn with DD and DT. And sometimes in 2nd or 3rd rounds you can have incredibly short matches due to stockpiled weaps and instantly available DD.

The world cup scheme does have too many fast walks, laser sights, and LG, but it has a better proportion of DD and DT, which is the important thing, and it's not super likely to get both on the same turn. I think the matches tend to require more thought, and they're less clusterf@#!y.

What is "clusterf@#!y"? o0

I see what you mean Mab, but I think people (including me) expect this scheme to be really chaotic because it's Kaos! Double Damage makes it so. I've never played this scheme as seriously as you do, but you are right that too much DD and a serious league game are incompatible things. I would even agree to remove it, but instead I'd like to see inf LG and maybe 1 rope to make games more fair, especially at the begining. There is a scheme by Logan where you have many longbows to build stairs but can't use them to kill worms. I liked it a lot

Damn you, i was just digging for something to link in this topic, then you replied with basically all i wanted to say.
Indeed Kaos originally was supposed to be Kaotic, there were no tweaks, it was all balanced coz of high probability for Dx2. The only problem that was destroying the potential was crateshower. But then Dreamtrance and co. were "fixing" the scheme in their league each season, everytime making it even less balanced mainly coz of reducing Dx2 chances, claiming its oficial for some reason. I was never a fan of Kaos being played in any competition, it was great fun on AG making crazy shit all the way through whole map, then it became bitching for double time/dx2 combo and safe playing. So Mab, if you truly search for something less "clusterf@#!y" with sdet, you better try Dario's Rubber Rush. Oh and i dont know what Wowwow's scheme is about, im talking about the original scheme by Mr.Kaos before Kaos League started. Chance for Dx2 was 20% if i remember correctly.

Btw, there is no icon for Double Turn Time in the "Utility Probability" block

Kaos can still be plenty chaotic, I just don't want double damage to be there every single turn, might as well just overpower all the weapons from the start if you want to play that way.

Another benefit of the world cup scheme; crate spies matter a lot more. Getting them, and preventing your opponent from getting them, helps so that you can get DTs and DDs when they appear, it's another element to think about. Anyway, I don't see a problem with having a more DD and less DD scheme as options.

The problem with new schemes (I know kaos has been around for a while, I meant new league schemes) is that they're created by people who are oblivious to league (and that's okay) and usually make them completely imbalanced. Community gets used to them, and then argue when someone wants to improve their beloved funner scheme.

Luck based schemes are not suited for the league, I recently played a bunch of kaos games, and I'd like the stategy to be a bit more advanced than grabbing jp/dd/dt and killing every worm in 1 turn. Not mentioning how important the worm placement is in the early game.
From the quick look at Mablak's scheme it seems that's it's still far from being perfect, and there's still plenty of room for improvement. It has a lot of potential.

I hate chaos. And democracy in tus.

Maybe you should try to get the Mablak's logic first. He wants to reduce the number of DD crates, but you want both players to get them each games several times? It's cool in funners. In T17 it's hardly possible that both players will get Earth Quake and it can be even more dangerous than DD, but no1 claims to increase it's probability