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KWC (Kaos World Cup)

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Summary
F8
F11
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Utility probability
25% Fast Walk
25% Low Gravity
15% Laser Sight
10% Crate Spy
10% Jet Pack
5% Damage x2
5% Invisibility
5% Double Time
0% Crate Shower
Crate probability
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Scheme Rate
2 / 5
Total Members Voted: 4
Acronym: Kaos
Name: KWC (Kaos World Cup)
Type: Battle, Rubberworm
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  • This scheme must be played in Free league(s).
  • Please note that super weapons are on, it means that even if their crate probability in the scheme weapons options are set to 0, there's still chance for them to appear in game.
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Time: October 09, 2012, 03:37 AM
Description:
This is the Kaos World Cup 2011 scheme, a cup which was part of DreamTrance's now dead Kaos league. It was the result of several seasons of tweaking and discussion, and has lower chances for double damage, requiring a bit more planning of moves.

This scheme must be played bo3. On agreement it can be played bo1 or bo5.
Scheme game options
Game options
250
3
100%
Time options
60
60
0
0
0
Crate options
200
Sudden death options
Objects options
General options
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Scheme weapons options
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Ammo
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Power
Crates
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Jet Pack
0
Low Gravity
0
Fast Walk
0
Laser Sight
0
Invisibility
0
Bazooka
0
Homing Missile
0
Mortar
0
Homing Pigeon
0
Sheep Launcher
0
Grenade
0
Cluster Bomb
0
Banana Bomb
0
Battle Axe
0
Earth Quake
0
Shotgun
0
Handgun
0
Uzi
0
Minigun
0
Longbow
0
Fire Punch
0
Dragon Ball
0
Kamikaze
0
Suicide Bomber
0
Prod
0
Dynamite
0
Mine
0
Sheep
0
Super Sheep
0
Mole Bomb
0
Air Strike
0
Napalm Strike
0
Mail Strike
0
Mine Strike
0
Mole Squadron
0
Blow Torch
0
Pnuematic Drill
0
Girder
0
Baseball Bat
0
Girder Starter Pack
0
Ninja Rope
0
Bungee
Inf
Parachute
0
Teleport
0
Scales of Justice
0
Super Banana Bomb
0
Holy Hand Grenade
0
Flame Thrower
0
Sally Army
0
MB Bomb
0
Petrol Bomb
0
Skunk
0
Ming Vase
0
French Sheep Strike
0
Mike's Carpet Bomb
0
Mad Cow
0
Old Woman
0
Concrete Donkey
Inf
Indian's Nuclear Test
0
Armageddon
0
Skip Go
0
Surrender
0
Worm Select
0
Freeze
0
Patsy's Magic Bullet
0
Damage x2
0
Jet Pack
0
Low Gravity
0
Fast Walk
0
Laser Sight
0
Invisibility
0
Bazooka
0
Homing Missile
0
Mortar
0
Homing Pigeon
0
Sheep Launcher
0
Grenade
0
Cluster Bomb
0
Banana Bomb
0
Battle Axe
0
Earth Quake
0
Shotgun
0
Handgun
0
Uzi
0
Minigun
0
Longbow
0
Fire Punch
0
Dragon Ball
0
Kamikaze
0
Suicide Bomber
0
Prod
0
Dynamite
0
Mine
0
Sheep
0
Super Sheep
0
Mole Bomb
0
Air Strike
0
Napalm Strike
0
Mail Strike
0
Mine Strike
0
Mole Squadron
0
Blow Torch
0
Pnuematic Drill
0
Girder
0
Baseball Bat
0
Girder Starter Pack
0
Ninja Rope
0
Bungee
0
Parachute
0
Teleport
0
Scales of Justice
0
Super Banana Bomb
0
Holy Hand Grenade
0
Flame Thrower
0
Sally Army
0
MB Bomb
0
Petrol Bomb
0
Skunk
0
Ming Vase
0
French Sheep Strike
0
Mike's Carpet Bomb
0
Mad Cow
0
Old Woman
0
Concrete Donkey
255
Indian's Nuclear Test
0
Armageddon
0
Skip Go
0
Surrender
0
Worm Select
0
Freeze
0
Patsy's Magic Bullet
0
Damage x2
0
Jet Pack
30
Low Gravity
3
Fast Walk
3
Laser Sight
3
Invisibility
3
Bazooka
3
Homing Missile
3
Mortar
3
Homing Pigeon
3
Sheep Launcher
3
Grenade
3
Cluster Bomb
3
Banana Bomb
1
Battle Axe
3
Earth Quake
1
Shotgun
3
Handgun
3
Uzi
3
Minigun
3
Longbow
3
Fire Punch
3
Dragon Ball
3
Kamikaze
3
Suicide Bomber
1
Prod
3
Dynamite
3
Mine
3
Sheep
3
Super Sheep
3
Mole Bomb
3
Air Strike
3
Napalm Strike
3
Mail Strike
1
Mine Strike
1
Mole Squadron
1
Blow Torch
3
Pnuematic Drill
3
Girder
3
Baseball Bat
3
Girder Starter Pack
1
Ninja Rope
1
Bungee
3
Parachute
3
Teleport
3
Scales of Justice
1
Super Banana Bomb
1
Holy Hand Grenade
3
Flame Thrower
3
Sally Army
1
MB Bomb
1
Petrol Bomb
3
Skunk
3
Ming Vase
1
French Sheep Strike
1
Mike's Carpet Bomb
1
Mad Cow
3
Old Woman
3
Concrete Donkey
1
Indian's Nuclear Test
1
Armageddon
1
Skip Go
1
Surrender
1
Worm Select
1
Freeze
1
Patsy's Magic Bullet
1
Damage x2
1
Jet Pack
5
Low Gravity
5
Fast Walk
5
Laser Sight
5
Invisibility
5
Bazooka
5
Homing Missile
5
Mortar
5
Homing Pigeon
5
Sheep Launcher
5
Grenade
5
Cluster Bomb
5
Banana Bomb
5
Battle Axe
5
Earth Quake
144
Shotgun
5
Handgun
5
Uzi
5
Minigun
5
Longbow
5
Fire Punch
5
Dragon Ball
5
Kamikaze
5
Suicide Bomber
0
Prod
5
Dynamite
5
Mine
5
Sheep
5
Super Sheep
5
Mole Bomb
5
Air Strike
5
Napalm Strike
5
Mail Strike
0
Mine Strike
0
Mole Squadron
7
Blow Torch
5
Pnuematic Drill
5
Girder
5
Baseball Bat
5
Girder Starter Pack
0
Ninja Rope
5
Bungee
0
Parachute
5
Teleport
5
Scales of Justice
15
Super Banana Bomb
0
Holy Hand Grenade
5
Flame Thrower
5
Sally Army
0
MB Bomb
0
Petrol Bomb
5
Skunk
5
Ming Vase
0
French Sheep Strike
0
Mike's Carpet Bomb
0
Mad Cow
5
Old Woman
5
Concrete Donkey
0
Indian's Nuclear Test
10
Armageddon
0
Skip Go
0
Surrender
0
Worm Select
0
Freeze
0
Patsy's Magic Bullet
100
Damage x2
0
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Alien

i will definitely not play this scheme in free league for serveral reasons.

1. i have played 400 tus kaos games now, without this scheme and it was enjoyable.
2. as we played this scheme at kaos world cup 2011, we even haven't finished the groupstage, because of inactivity.
3. everyone said it has too much low gravity and it's not the same and not as good as the normal kaos scheme.

and by the way, the fourth point which is really the worst reason for me here.
no one asked the kaos players if they accept a kaos free league scheme change.
imagine someone would change your beloved scheme, without notice.

change it back.

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-491/

Impossible

100% agree with alien, I have thousands kaos games played, believe me /kaosmod2 is the only working mod for kaos, this shit is the wierst scheme ever was made for kaos, I wont play any official game with it in, absolutely disbalanced in all the ways. Put wowwow scheme back, this one just make me laugh, its like playing ttrr without chute, wxw with autoplacment, shopper with random mines, elite with infinity ropes, hyst with nana etc etc etc

Peja

Quote from: Impossible on October 16, 2012, 07:24 PM
its like playing  hyst with nana

this scheme is actually known as markosteria
VoK: i have now beer so my rope will be perfect.
VoK: will do ttrr every map under 30s

Mablak

This is the problem with TUS, no one wants to discuss issues until they really have to, I tried to get the discussion going earlier. Well, and of course the discussion should've happened well before Kaos came to rotated league.

I've had much more balanced games with this scheme than any other version, but they should allow for choosing either scheme, I have no idea why this change was made without more thorough discussion. But can you guys give concrete reasons why the wowwow scheme is better please?

In the wowwow scheme, you can pretty much depend on double time or double damage appearing every turn, or every other turn. While knowing how to use DD is an important skill to have, having it available constantly makes skill with regularly powered weapons much less significant, and you don't have to plan moves as accurately. I think people should have to spend more time thinking about combos, rather than just saving up weapons and knowing they can destroy the map in one turn with DD and DT. And sometimes in 2nd or 3rd rounds you can have incredibly short matches due to stockpiled weaps and instantly available DD.

The world cup scheme does have too many fast walks, laser sights, and LG, but it has a better proportion of DD and DT, which is the important thing, and it's not super likely to get both on the same turn. I think the matches tend to require more thought, and they're less clusterf@#!y.

Statik

What is "clusterf@#!y"? o0

I see what you mean Mab, but I think people (including me) expect this scheme to be really chaotic because it's Kaos! :D Double Damage makes it so. I've never played this scheme as seriously as you do, but you are right that too much DD and a serious league game are incompatible things. I would even agree to remove it, but instead I'd like to see inf LG and maybe 1 rope to make games more fair, especially at the begining. There is a scheme by Logan where you have many longbows to build stairs but can't use them to kill worms. I liked it a lot :)


dt`wreckz: zooks are effected my win

lacoste

#5
Quote from: Statik on October 17, 2012, 05:15 AM
What is "clusterf@#!y"? o0

I see what you mean Mab, but I think people (including me) expect this scheme to be really chaotic because it's Kaos! :D Double Damage makes it so. I've never played this scheme as seriously as you do, but you are right that too much DD and a serious league game are incompatible things. I would even agree to remove it, but instead I'd like to see inf LG and maybe 1 rope to make games more fair, especially at the begining. There is a scheme by Logan where you have many longbows to build stairs but can't use them to kill worms. I liked it a lot :)

Damn you, i was just digging for something to link in this topic, then you replied with basically all i wanted to say.
Indeed Kaos originally was supposed to be Kaotic, there were no tweaks, it was all balanced coz of high probability for Dx2. The only problem that was destroying the potential was crateshower. But then Dreamtrance and co. were "fixing" the scheme in their league each season, everytime making it even less balanced mainly coz of reducing Dx2 chances, claiming its oficial for some reason. I was never a fan of Kaos being played in any competition, it was great fun on AG making crazy shit all the way through whole map, then it became bitching for double time/dx2 combo and safe playing. So Mab, if you truly search for something less "clusterf@#!y" with sdet, you better try Dario's Rubber Rush. Oh and i dont know what Wowwow's scheme is about, im talking about the original scheme by Mr.Kaos before Kaos League started. Chance for Dx2 was 20% if i remember correctly.
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MonkeyIsland

Quote from: Mablak on October 16, 2012, 10:26 PM
This is the problem with TUS, no one wants to discuss issues until they really have to, I tried to get the discussion going earlier. Well, and of course the discussion should've happened well before Kaos came to rotated league.

It's true. Some users complain about something and make a thread all about it but no one from the opposite side post anything. Then when I change things, now the other side users popout like mushrooms.

I changed the scheme because there were complaints about wowwow scheme before and I took Mablak's as the final reminder. I didn't know you guys were in love with it.
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Statik

Btw, there is no icon for Double Turn Time in the "Utility Probability" block :)


dt`wreckz: zooks are effected my win

lacoste

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Mablak

Kaos can still be plenty chaotic, I just don't want double damage to be there every single turn, might as well just overpower all the weapons from the start if you want to play that way.

Another benefit of the world cup scheme; crate spies matter a lot more. Getting them, and preventing your opponent from getting them, helps so that you can get DTs and DDs when they appear, it's another element to think about. Anyway, I don't see a problem with having a more DD and less DD scheme as options.

Aerox

I like this change because I think the thought process behind it makes sense regardless of the fact kaos is irrelevant for me.

Can we expect the same modus operandis to be applied to other schemes like hysteria, team17, bng or even the tus shopper scheme?
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van

#11
The problem with new schemes (I know kaos has been around for a while, I meant new league schemes) is that they're created by people who are oblivious to league (and that's okay) and usually make them completely imbalanced. Community gets used to them, and then argue when someone wants to improve their beloved funner scheme.

Luck based schemes are not suited for the league, I recently played a bunch of kaos games, and I'd like the stategy to be a bit more advanced than grabbing jp/dd/dt and killing every worm in 1 turn. Not mentioning how important the worm placement is in the early game.
From the quick look at Mablak's scheme it seems that's it's still far from being perfect, and there's still plenty of room for improvement. It has a lot of potential.

I hate chaos. And democracy in tus.

Impossible

Mablak you just didnt read my post about this bs scheme where I expained every crap it have.
Quote from: Mablak on October 16, 2012, 10:26 PM
The world cup scheme does have too many fast walks, laser sights, and LG, but it has a better proportion of DD and DT, which is the important thing, and it's not super likely to get both on the same turn.
you are absolutely wrong there, just try to get the logic. Chance to get x2 is so much low there that it even make it more unbalanced, if on /kaosmod2 both players get 3-5 x2 on round. Now usually nobody dont get it or only one of players get (100 to 0 chance per player) its wierst shit I ever saw on kaos totally f@#!ed gameplay so sometimes player just dont get double damage at all when somebody get it 1-2 times. Now about Low Gravity, goddamnit I tested 20-25 rounds this scheme, I always have more LG than turns, so even if I stop collecting there is tons lg lg lg lg it pissed me so much that I quit Kaos World Cup because of this scheme and /kaosmod5. if you wanna play without x2 please your opponent to put /kaosmod4 with removed double damage

Statik

Maybe you should try to get the Mablak's logic first. He wants to reduce the number of DD crates, but you want both players to get them each games several times? :D It's cool in funners. In T17 it's hardly possible that both players will get Earth Quake and it can be even more dangerous than DD, but no1 claims to increase it's probability :)


dt`wreckz: zooks are effected my win

Impossible

Quote from: Statik on October 17, 2012, 12:32 PM
Maybe you should try to get the Mablak's logic first. He wants to reduce the number of DD crates, but you want both players to get them each games several times? :D
dafuq you talking about, reduce the number of x2 to minimum means make it more lucky you just dont understand because you played 50 kaos games in whole life
I dont wanna players get x2 several times, I wanna both players get same emount of x2 and so small probalitities makes it 100:1
jeez im feels like trying to explain why banana is not cool on sh