Island Team17

Awesome. Count me in.

Note that if there were just one thing I could change about this scheme, it'd be changing the water rise rate from 20 to 13 pixels per turn.
Edit: Scratch that. It'd be adding some hotseat time. I really don't like it being 0.

- Bo1 games

I notice the scheme is set to 1 round instead of 0 rounds. So that means in the case of a draw, we click "Play next round" to break the tie, correct?

Oh hey Senator, is it too late to touch the Mortar and Cluster Bomb powers in the scheme for this? Bring them in line with Intermediate's 2/2 instead of the current 3/1, respectively? Or is that not one of the changes you wanted to be testing? I'm honestly okay with either for the tournament, but in general I do prefer 2/2 for all these ground schemes now, makes the most sense to me.

Not too late. I made the change.

I notice the scheme is set to 1 round instead of 0 rounds. So that means in the case of a draw, we click "Play next round" to break the tie, correct?

Yes. Stockpiling is off so it only affects the turn order, right?

Hey Senator, is the wsc from tus the same as the wsc from wsdb? If not, i think it can cause some confusion

The scheme file on wsdb has rope knocking off and some glitches disabled, other than that they are the same.

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on August 13, 2020, 03:43 PM

Oh hey Senator, is it too late to touch the Mortar and Cluster Bomb powers in the scheme for this? Bring them in line with Intermediate's 2/2 instead of the current 3/1, respectively? Or is that not one of the changes you wanted to be testing? I'm honestly okay with either for the tournament, but in general I do prefer 2/2 for all these ground schemes now, makes the most sense to me.

Not too late. I made the change.

Oh! I didn't realize you were open to changing the scheme at this stage. Could you add 5 seconds of hotseat time, please?

(Must say, I do not at all see the logic of making Mortar less than 3 stars. It's virtually never possible to get a significant amount of damage with it anyway.)

Btw, what glitches are turned off?

Roofing (which wouldn't make a difference in island Team17, of course), the Longbow/Baseball Bat angle cheat glitch, and skip-walking.

Luckless Intermediate anyway i agree that both mortar and cluster should stay at power 3 team17 scheme, among all the bananas and other blasty weapons avaible its nothing in comparision and they are mostly used to punish or as a last resort suicide for about 100 damage, its not game breaking, even when cluster has 3 stacks ( you shouldnt normally be able to utilize too many anyway)

Intermediate is a different kind of thing where 80+ raw damage can only be achieved with super weapons (not counting some bizzare weapon usages like petrol for 100 damage), and power 3 cluster makes it op because it is so easy to use it for a 80+ killing blow. Team17 cant be compared to Inter in op'ness of weapons avaible to you.

Yeah actually, I think having Mortar and Cluster Bomb both at 3 star power in Team17 is my second preference, personally. I recognise that the scheme is in concept and practice different enough from league variants of Intermediate that it should be able to sustain those weapons at their standard values, even if you're then still stuck with the weird disparity between getting a single Mortar and three Cluster Bombs from a crate.

So, I'd be pretty happy about doing it this way myself (as you may be able to guess from previous discussions, I am a bit of a standardisation nutter), but I know there have been more than a few players over the years who just straight up hated these cluster weapons being able to do 80+ damage, to target worms who often didn't get the chance to try and hide from it, or simply couldn't justify it over doing something else. Similarly to how introducing Kamikaze to the Team17 scheme would mess with players' late game expectations, powerful Cluster Bombs (Mortars to a lesser extent, I know) feel like they would mess with their notion of what is and isn't a good hide throughout the game, especially since for whatever reason, both T17 and Elite schemes have historically had Cluster Bomb nerfed all the way down to 1 star power. Having them at 2 stars is then a) already a buff compared to what the majority of players are used to and b) actually just quite strong in real terms, not much worse than 3 star power would be.

But yeah anyway, for this one tournament where Senator specifically wants to be testing some of the proposed changes out, I don't think it matters either way. He'll know best what he is and isn't interested in trying out, and we can continue the discussion about the scheme in general elsewhere, as we have been.