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All About TUS => Announcements => Topic started by: MonkeyIsland on March 02, 2011, 12:16 AM
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Along with classic league season #19, TEL #3, the new league plan suggested by HHC (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/profile/HHC/) started. This new league plan affects TRL and free league as well. There will be no changes in TRL by this new plan since TRL is in its first season and player's seasonal and overall points are the same.
Please note that now we have 2 kind of points getting calculated: Seasonal and overall. You will see these points in the system like this: (74|45), the first number is the seasonal amount gained and the second is the overall.
Cheers
Please report any bug.
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nice ;)
Free League looks bugged.. like it's still going.
Season info says -> We are in the 121st day of season #9 but timer reset to another 60day timer.
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You should post a link to an explanation of this new system, even better write it up here and update the rules!
Ive ben checking it out, I dont get it at all!
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Your season rating vs Opponent overall rating = points YOU win/lose (SEASONAL)
Opponent season rating vs Your overall rating = points OPPONENT wins/loses (SEASONAL)
so your own overall rating has no effect on how many points you can win or lose -> it's only a relationship between your own seasonal vs opponent overall.
the overall rating changes as it did before -> Your overall rating vs Opponent overall rating = points BOTH win/lose (OVERALL)
so overall only acts to help measure every player's skill -> thus fairly distributing points to everyone's seasonal performance.
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This new season should be awesome, with this system!.
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Your season rating vs Opponent overall rating = points YOU win/lose (SEASONAL)
Opponent season rating vs Your overall rating = points OPPONENT wins/loses (SEASONAL)
so your own overall rating has no effect on how many points you can win or lose -> it's only a relationship between your own seasonal vs opponent overall.
the overall rating changes as it did before -> Your overall rating vs Opponent overall rating = points BOTH win/lose (OVERALL)
so overall only acts to help measure every player's skill -> thus fairly distributing points to everyone's seasonal performance.
and PO qualifications are still the same as before?
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no, PO qualifications will be based on seasonal performance, so for singles -> the top 8 who qualify the minimum games will be in.
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Free League looks bugged.. like it's still going.
Season info says -> We are in the 121st day of season #9 but timer reset to another 60day timer.
Each season of free league is 6 months. So it is working as it supposed to be ;)
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More activity gains you more points now right? Been thinking about consequences of this system in the long run..
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@darkz, I don't think it matters much for TEL. The ammount of points people gain diminishes as the season progresses (as their seasonal rating grows). It will stabilize at a certain level. For Classic league I agree though, since there's a LOT of games you need to play before you have like 1300 in each scheme.
What consequences are you thinking about?
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@darkz, more activity gains more points? well.. no, the obvious case, 0win-150loss, but let's assume you mean in comparing two equally good players near the end of the season -> and both their records are 50-30 and 100-60. both have win% of 60%... but you wonder if the 100-60 player gets an advantage just for playing more games?
well, no.. not necessarily. more important, than anything, is the quality of opponents. you can have 50-30 and have a nice score, but what if the other player having 100-60 made those 100 wins vs all bad players? I think more than anything, record doesn't really matter as much as quality of opponents.
so no, I don't think activity automatically = great season score. but we'll see.
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Don't know if you already discussed this, but shouldn't the overall rating have been resetted when you implement a new system? Otherwise points will be calculated based on a rating which the old system created. If you take komo for example, winning a bng vs. him would result in some rly massive points gain, not sure what the limit of points to be won is though, also not sure if he could gain such a high rating with the new system as well.
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overall rating still increases/decreases like it did in the old system. so no.. I don't think so.
overall rating determines how strong players are -> so in your komo example, winning a bng vs. him would result in some rly massive points gain because he is crazy strong in that scheme. the point gain is justified as being huge. what this system does for komo is encourage him to play again because now he won't lose massive points as before -> he works hard like everyone else to boost his own low season rating.
overall rating acts behind the scenes that way. it doesn't affect how you gain/lose your own points, only for others.
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Ok, thx. Was just wondering if maybe the way the overall rating is calculated differs much from what it used to be, but if it doesn't, no need to do a reset indeed.
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it does the new sistem discount/count points from/to each player who player the clanner?
cos it says " each player won/lost X points"
:S
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it does the new sistem discount/count points from/to each player who player the clanner?
cos it says " each player won/lost X points"
:S
MonkeyIsland?
I have no idea what he might mean by those words..
maybe it's only for those personal stats in player profiles to tell how much they help the clan? like for my profile, it shows these stats -> "six (+80: 2-1) (66.66% Winning Ratio)"
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oh , ye , , i forgot about that stats
prolly is that
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Clanners have nothing to do with single points. It says each player gained/lost points in the single games record. In clanners it just says gained/lost.
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just took that picture
after ur post ofc , and it says " each player "
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ah you meant in game page. It means each player/team gained that. I'll fix it :)
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Ummm... what the... XD
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What's wrong with that?
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We are back to "winning x, losing y" pattern? :-X These points look very unreal for me. I haven't been able to find any short documentation on how this new system works.
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Its been explained many times by Franz already (for which, thanks 8))
The system uses your own season ranking and your opponents overall ranking to calculate the ammount of points you achieve.
In this case both you and Benz have immense scores. You'll get a lot of points if you win and lose but a few if you lose. Same for Benz.
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Keepin an eye on Karlos' score. ::)
With a record like that he shouldn't be near playoffs. Activity does seem to matter a lot here. Gonna see if he manages to keep this up now that he's beyond his old overall statistics. It looks skewed that's for sure.
I reckon there's a few players overtaking him as the season progresses, but still, the current ranking isn't justifiable. We need to review that for next season, see what the issue is and maybe fix it. ???
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Well, I really did not bother to read through that whole thing - probably because I'm too lazy - but... well I analyzed a game, just out of curiosity, and against Phanton, I would get 65 points by playing WxW. 65 points for playing my best scheme.
Yea, sure, the overall points wouldn't be that much, but still, that is unfair advantage for me. :-X Correct me if I'm wrong, really, I'm just wondering.
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hhc, karlos' score looks fine. it's important to also realize that #wins and #losses do not really matter as much as quality of opponents. still, should be interesting to see how the standings look when most people up there have 80+ games to quality for PO. if it still looks weird then, maybe something can get worked out, but let's be optimistic first.
ray, don't be lazy ;p
you don't get an unfair advantage. true, wxw is your best, but wxw is also phanton's best. the scoring compares your 1000 season starter rating to his fairly high 1649 overall wxw rating. that's why you can potentially win 65 points. not because you're good at wxw, and the system is trying to find a way to give you some advantage ;p
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Okay, I understand that, but why is it trying to give me advantage? I don't deserve it, or do I? Theoratically, I should have disadvantage due to my fairly high ratings.
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still, it hopefully puts the right people in playoffs O:
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maybe my 'comma' confused you, but my last sentence meant to go "not because you're good at wxw, and not because the system is trying to find a way to give you some advantage." it isn't ;p it's meant to try giving you the appropriate amount of points due to skill level and where you are in the season.
so early in the season, which is where you are right now at zero games played.. -> you gain many points because your season rating is well below your true skill. so once you win a few games, you'll start winning less points per game. those 65 point wins won't be so easily given out.
makes sense I hope ;]
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Basically, the rating advantage is gone and everybody starts at the base rating and you need to fight your way up with this system. The only difference with having a new league altogether is that winning against a top player rewards you accordingly.
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oh, so now it will be harder for me to get elite overall ranking ;S
Hope to be back for holidays :D
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oh, so now it will be harder for me to get elite overall ranking ;S
Hope to be back for holidays :D
mmm nope? elite overall ranking behaves same as before, so won't be harder OR easier.
season ranking is where the main change happened.
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oh, so now it will be harder for me to get elite overall ranking ;S
Hope to be back for holidays :D
mmm nope? elite overall ranking behaves same as before, so won't be harder OR easier.
season ranking is where the main change happened.
oh, ok then, thx for the info
I don't know how it works exactly, well, I haven't even played in the new points system yet ;)