The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
All About TUS => Announcements => Topic started by: MonkeyIsland on October 22, 2012, 06:56 AM
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I had some talks with some of the members, I think it is something that our community must know.
I coded this website for W:A, nothing else. The process took me 4 years of literally non-stop coding. In order to achieve that, I turned TUS into a part of my everyday life otherwise it was impossible to reach this level. The SMF forum software alone has been modified 486 times in 75 files in order to function the way we need. That's excluding all the individual parts like leagues, cups, challenges, maps ... and there are still many things in progress and many things that is on the list but their coding hasn't been started yet.
I want you to know that all of this is to promote this game. Some of our users have completely forgotten about that. The question to me is "Is TUS presentable to people outside?" We've all spent so much time on it, but if someone ask us about what it is, can we safely refer them to TUS forums? Although there are many good posts and boards on TUS, to me the answer is no.
Some people are having fun on TUS but they are misusing this website not to mention that their fun is actually taking away other people's fun and even more our possible newcomers.
We need newcomers. That's blood for every community. Not that I'm not happy with the current users but because a community having limited number of users will eventually die. nino was an active user once and he is not anymore. LionHeart too. So was pr. Not all of you would stay forever, that's life.
Many times I've asked people to post on the forums and they really didn't want to because they were afraid somebody pick on them.
So I created the Spam Assassin (https://www.tus-wa.com/groups/members/?group=14) group. We will delete spam, insults or even posts that are provoking or have the potential. We do that already, but with this new group we're focusing more and try to deliver a healthier community. I'm asking you to don't wait for a mod to spot a bad post. Use the "report post" link or pm mods whenever you see a bad post. TUS is made to care of your w:a needs, it won't hurt you return the favor and take care of it.
This is a part of TUS statistics:
https://www.tus-wa.com/stats/
You can see general statistics about how TUS is working and at the bottom of the page, you can checkout our detailed page views or new games in each day, each month and each year.
You see that we've grown each year. We've had over a million visits each month for 15 months in a row! You can help us get better, you have understood this game so you are a part of this community. Make your stay matter and get more involved!
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Nicely said.
It's great to be apart of this community, it's the only game I play.
I always promote this website on wormnet when people ask about TUS. I'll keep doing so because a lot of newcomers are unaware of it.
Sharing knowledge is a must.
Can this website be advertised on wormnet?
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maybe someone got idea's how to get more newcommers?
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maybe someone got idea's how to get more newcommers?
Viral video?
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maybe lets chose one of showoffs video > add then some TUS slides or informations, MI will put it on first page, so all of us will be have easy acces for this video so we could click on it everyday X times, YouTube after many vievs will add comercialls, so video will be more popular. More vievs = even more vievs = newcommers .
:D
btw its curious, am writing this msg in worst time for AG# and TUS.
there are 8 of us + 56 guests :o:
56 Guest, 8 Members (0 Friends)
Active members in last 15 minut:
Berria, ANO, Tomi, Chelsea, Masta, Pleiadian, Breeze, Statik
Who are they........??????? MI u need add in front page using big letters:
JOIN, and change ur destyny
or something
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I do know some people when registering get stuck on the question where you must write the ultimate site backwards.
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Took you 4 years to realize an unmoderated democratic forum is not worth anyone's time.
Better late than never.
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It was handled in a pretty good way IMO. Banning lots of people is never a good way to solve things (FB cough).
Forums are a little dead lately. Maybe cause of the IM-system. Most of our TdC nonsense goes there now, while our forums are pretty empty.
Could be that it is also the reason the few threads that remain here are 'flamey' in nature, or share your music/video/funny pics kind of threads. Rather than people arranging or organizing things.
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Well i'd say it's a whole thing in my opinion.
Navigation, text (rules...), League (too many league), information (not saying there are too much information but it is splitted in too many sub menu), non welcome community.
I agree it is a hell of a work and it needs a professional. I already suggested a bit about the menu on the left (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/wn-suggestion-16878/) but it appears people don't really care. I guess it is because they are used to it.
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I love the drop down shoutbox and side panel.
How do you remove expired pending games?
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people don't really care. I guess it is because they are used to it.
well fada you've just highlighted the #1 problem with a free democracy like this.
It completely stops progress. People are never going to vote for new things because they like old things. This is why progress should be handled by the community leaders and not put in hands of everyone equally."
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i really dont get ropas free democracy comparison. even mi says the polls are just a feedback, and will never result in a direct change. tus is rather lead by a nomenklatura.
i dont think u get newcomers simply by a layout modification or with clean forum threads. i think the page isnt the key factor. its about how the community treat unknown players who cross their ways in wormnet.
i really admire fada husk and ray in these things. i think if we are nice to people joining our hosts, explain them shortly thats it is a league game in order to offer them some funner games later, we can achieve more than we can do on this page.
i know i often kick out random guys, so no need to play the moralizer here, but im trying to change. ofc course its nice to see positive changes on the page, and people willing to help. but this shouldnt be main part if we want to increase our community. direct contact is always better than trying to convince someone with external stuff like homepages.
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You guys are all full of it.
You're trying to sell us a blatant lie and expect people to really buy into that crap?
Forums are shit because the community has nothing to say. People are not scared to post on the forum, they just rather use the shoutbox, the TUS IM or snooper for their one liners and stupid 4chan pictures. Because every time a decent argument pops up it's ruined by the lack of moderation and partydism.
But yeah, blame it on the community. We're stopping the newcomers from coming because we're so elitist and shit. Bullshit. I've seen this same posts pop up in every single league, every single time, rinse and repeat. Rinse. And repeat.
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@Berria,
About half of that must be search engines spiders.
@Pleiadian,
Pending games has a bug. I haven't fixed that yet. When fixed, it will only show your current cups.
@fada,
Your idea was flawed because you removed links depending on your own taste. There are users who value other parts. The positive thing I could get from your idea is to make the menus optional so that people add/remove the link they like.
@Ray,
TUS DOES need a designer. Not only that, TUS needs many other things too. But the whole thing you see today is a volunteer work. TUS you see today is the best I could do with my spare time. TUS needs "do"ers, we are aware of our flaws.
For example, almost all of the points you made about leagues basic info page are valid. You are the one who gave me the leagues rule page, remember?
If that page has grammar mistakes, we could use your correction. This is how TUS has functioned. volunteer work. You have helped TUS a lot, you know that already :)
@ropa,
We would love to see your design/modification for TUS design.
@topic,
I never said only because of some bad forum posts we are losing newcomers. I said a bad environment has its own negative effects. I have my own long list of things to fix/code on TUS. It really keeps me going to see people are actually getting the most out of it.
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About behavior, MI said all.
About the TUS website design, I agree too. We need 1 design clean and funcional.
I have 1 more viewpoint to bring up here. I guess Team17 should make TUS the official WA communitty. We are the people who keep live the Worms Armageddon game. Team17 should support TUS with struture and prizes ($$$ to create championships and stuff). Also much ppl have many problems to download and play the WA because Team17 doesnt want to lose the rights. It stimulates the search for a crack (and illegal) game version. Okay, the CD costs few money and there are isos... However, It's boring to find a secure version of the game in da Web.
Tus members deserves advantages to play this game. WA is nothing without (t)us.
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About behavior, MI said all.
About the TUS website design, I agree too. We need 1 design clean and funcional.
I have 1 more viewpoint to bring up here. I guess Team17 should make TUS the official WA communitty. We are the people who keep live the Worms Armageddon game. Team17 should support TUS with struture and prizes ($$$ to create championships and stuff). Also much ppl have many problems to download and play the WA because Team17 doesnt want to lose the rights. It stimulates the search for a crack (and illegal) game version. Okay, the CD costs few money and there are isos... However, It's boring to find a secure version of the game in da Web.
Tus members deserves advantages to play this game. WA is nothing without (t)us.
That attitude is the least we need professor. I'd rather say TUS is nothing without WA. Why should Team17 support TUS? They don't even give any support to Deadcode and Cybershadow, who really are the ones who have kept the game alive if any. Why should we be the official WA community? There are plenty of other important communities, such as NNN. We don't deserve anything to play this game, we play this game because we enjoy it. Lose that attitude Professor
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what is wrong with my viewpoint, Crazy?
Well, We are the consumers of a game created for Team17. The minimum what We need (at least) is a decent support techinal.
(IMO) We deserve to be the official comunitty because We are the most comunitty of the game. NNN and others comunities are important, of course. But it is clear everybody looks TUS as the biggest WA party. I have sure if Team17 valued the WA comunitties (independent what is the most), the WA game could be more attractive to newcomers plays.
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Team17 should support TUS with struture and prizes ($$$ to create championships and stuff).
I almost cried.
This game will not have any company-sponsored events anymore, the only ones that ever existed were the Gigaliga playoffs here in Germany and that's 7 years ago now. And even those weren't sponsored by Team17.
Quit dreaming, 12 years passed since release and the game was never as popular as other games with leagues, prizes etc (CS 1.6, WC3, StarCraft ...) to begin with.
Oh and just to clarify this: Why should Team17 give a rat's ass about WA players? They don't owe us anything. In fact it's quite generous of them to have the original WormNET still running.
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okay, it was just an idea, if i missed the point, let it be. I am just trying to find a way to help TUS and even the game.
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TUS has always been messy to me, I think this is undoubtedly a turnoff for newcomers. First of all, there just shouldn't be any moving stuff in the background, it's the kind of stuff you'd expect to see on a do-it-yourself page from the mid-90s.
People should instantly be able to know this is a Worms Armageddon site; the header should change. In fact, seeing the words 'the ultimate site' is quite confusing, since that title has nothing to do with WA at all. For the sake of saving space, just title it TUS Worms League or TUS Worms Community. Include an armageddon symbol and/or a worm.
I also don't think the worms terrain skins should be standard, much better to have a sleek, simple design to start with. And the top part has links that are out of order; Forums and Leagues should be very prominent, and should be listed first. 'Home' doesn't need to be an option, if you can allow us to click on the header instead.
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xD
btw. WA Big Tutorial has fully been translated into English by Steps.
we could use it on front tus page maybe?
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TUS has always been messy to me, I think this is undoubtedly a turnoff for newcomers
Nah, I don't think so, it's very easy to navigate on, look:
(http://i45.tinypic.com/10xf4ec.png)
(Well, a picture is worth a thousand words :-*)
Twyf has shown you the first steps to design 101.xD
btw. WA Big Tutorial has fully been translated into English by Steps.
we could use it on front tus page maybe?
Wow. Good job translating Steps. Is the video posted on the steams forum yet?
Does the author of the video speak english at all?
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Does the author of the video speak english at all?
No, he can only use google translate at best ;D
I heard Cueshark wanted to make his own voice dublication. If he still wants, I can give the source
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xD
btw. WA Big Tutorial has fully been translated into English by Steps.
we could use it on front tus page maybe?
I didn't know this video, well done Steps!
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I didn't know this video, well done Steps!
this is not my video, see the author on the page. I only translted it
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Nice. I never thought someone made a complete video about W:A like this guy. Sad that it's not in english, though. The text is alright but it's still a bugger considering how long the video is. It'd be so much nicer to watch the video with dubs.
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Nice. I never thought someone made a complete video about W:A like this guy. Sad that it's not in english, though. The text is alright but it's still a bugger considering how long the video is. It'd be so much nicer to watch the video with dubs.
if you want this to happen send a PM to cueshark and convince him on how great of an idea this is
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Nice. I never thought someone made a complete video about W:A like this guy. Sad that it's not in english, though. The text is alright but it's still a bugger considering how long the video is. It'd be so much nicer to watch the video with dubs.
if you want this to happen send a PM to cueshark and convince him on how great of an idea this is
Is he the creator?
Well, I did PM him anyways. It'd be so awesome to have this tutorial in English and it surprises me that no one has done an English version yet.
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He's not the creator but the man with the sexiest voice around. 8)
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I've been playing WA and WWP for over ten years, but this is the first time I've been to this site. I just registered today. Previously I played a port of WWP and WA on the Sega Dreamcast. That was a long time ago. I only played with my friends (but there were many of us to play) on my television, local games. Never could play over WormNet. I got the PC version, but it was not legit. I wanted to play online, but could not because it wasn't legit. I was of course willing to pay for the game but could not find it. Finally I had to order the game from Team17 store and have the discs sent overseas. The price was rather high if I recall and still I was unable to play online. I had to read through many help files about IP's being hardcoded into the game, and making edits myself so that I would be able to play online.
My point is there have been many barriers to getting to play this game online, the reason to get involved in the community. The Team17 forums were a joke, the wiki still can't fix issues with hosting games, it's been the burden of the community to create work-arounds. I have recently bought the game again through Steam. I'm encouraging my friends to do this because now it will be easier for them to obtain and maintain the game.
As for how to get newcomers to the site, a member of this site by the name of philie referred me here when I met him through WormNet. I suggest others engage in the WormNet chat more...
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My point is there have been many barriers to getting to play this game online
That's the story about Wormnet, mate...
(http://i42.tinypic.com/dwfckh.jpg)
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a member of this site by the name of philie referred me here when I met him through WormNet.
;D
hey
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wow, xD cueshark I enjoyed ur song man lmao, funny one sir