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All About TUS => Announcements => Topic started by: DarkOne on November 10, 2011, 11:06 PM
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A couple of complaints have made it to our complaints forum, so there are a couple of things that need to be cleared up:
Summary:
- Both players/clans need to agree on the map
- If you light up, you agree on the map
- Using auto-light up is strictly forbidden
Unsummarized:
If 2 games are played, each player (or clan) gets to pick the scheme.
The map is something that has to be agreed on by both players/clans. If you host your pick and your opponent doesn't want to play on the first map you pick, you have to change the map. Try to agree on a map with your opponent if he/she/they disagree with your first pick.
If you (the host) don't change the map when your opponent(s) says he/she/they don't want to play on that map, then your pick will not happen.
If you're not the host, clearly, you don't have to agree with the map. We don't want an unending fight about the map though: suggest your own map to move things along. If you are being unreasonable with your own map request, then the host is entitled to a free win because you'd basically be refusing to play his pick. Make an effort to agree on a map. If you light up, then that means you agree on the settings (scheme and map). If the host refuses to change map after you request another map, remind him of this rule. If he still refuses to change the map, then there's nothing more you can do. You can quit the game. If the host reports a free win, just make a thread on the complaint forum (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/) and attach the chatlog from the game lobby (in your User/Logs folder).
Auto-light up is strictly forbidden. If you use it, a couple of things are going to happen: if you lose the game, you lose the game. If use auto-light up and you win the game, the game will be voided. We'll be looking at logs for proof, so be clear in the game lobby and in the game chat at the start of the game.
Furthermore, using auto-light will earn you a warning at the first offense and a temporary ban at the second use. If the first ban doesn't teach you anything and you still use it, then you'll get a longer ban.
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so if someone uses auto-light up, are we allowed to mention about him/her using it and surr or do we have to play the game that started alrdy?
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seriously wtf is this? you allow people to blockade maps without any reason? and all because some dumbasses used strange maps to play? can u pls explain whats the reason for this? if its to avoid maps like played from pizzasheet vs ray then its very poor try. imo its a huge intervention to the freedom of the hoster. the goal should be to break the opponets pick knowing they obviously try to gain profit from their pick.
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This rule existed before Peja, that both parties have to agree on the map.
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Husk: yes, please mention it. You're allowed to quit without fear of getting a loss reported (since you never agreed on the map) but we'll have to know that auto-light up happened - and we look at logs for proof.
But honestly, it's better to play, since if you win the game, it's a win, if it's a loss, complain about the game and it's void (if the logs provide the information we need, of course :))
Peja - There are hundreds of maps, thousands for some (probably most) schemes. Are you seriously saying that if you're playing your pick and your opponent refuses 1 or 2 of the maps you pick that's the ultimate breakdown of your freedom? That's only true if you only have 2 maps. I'm certain you have more than that.
If you're playing me (I don't play TUS singles, but just for the sake of argument :)) and I'm blatantly refusing to play any map you suggest, then that means I'm refusing to play your pick. And the game lobby logs will show that.
Also, what Ray said. We just decided to make an official announcement about this, since a couple of complaints were popping up :)
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Peja - There are hundreds of maps, thousands for some (probably most) schemes. Are you seriously saying that if you're playing your pick and your opponent refuses 1 or 2 of the maps you pick that's the ultimate breakdown of your freedom? That's only true if you only have 2 maps. I'm certain you have more than that.
If you're playing me (I don't play TUS singles, but just for the sake of argument :)) and I'm blatantly refusing to play any map you suggest, then that means I'm refusing to play your pick. And the game lobby logs will show that.
Also, what Ray said. We just decided to make an official announcement about this, since a couple of complaints were popping up :)
somehow i cant find this rule on the league rules, anyway cant find your quote now d1, but you posted something like: as there are no technical problems with the map, we make no limatations. so why is someone allowed to refuse playin on a map?
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seriously wtf is this? you allow people to blockade maps without any reason? and all because some dumbasses used strange maps to play? can u pls explain whats the reason for this? if its to avoid maps like played from pizzasheet vs ray then its very poor try. imo its a huge intervention to the freedom of the hoster. the goal should be to break the opponets pick knowing they obviously try to gain profit from their pick.
Its meant to avoid such as LL and savage, who used to use a specified map everytime they play a specified scheme.
This rule existed before Peja, that both parties have to agree on the map.
Indeed a good rule
Peja - There are hundreds of maps, thousands for some (probably most) schemes. Are you seriously saying that if you're playing your pick and your opponent refuses 1 or 2 of the maps you pick that's the ultimate breakdown of your freedom? That's only true if you only have 2 maps. I'm certain you have more than that.
If you're playing me (I don't play TUS singles, but just for the sake of argument :)) and I'm blatantly refusing to play any map you suggest, then that means I'm refusing to play your pick. And the game lobby logs will show that.
Also, what Ray said. We just decided to make an official announcement about this, since a couple of complaints were popping up :)
somehow i cant find this rule on the league rules, anyway cant find your quote now d1, but you posted something like: as there are no technical problems with the map, we make no limatations. so why is someone allowed to refuse playin on a map?
He meant this
A topic was made regarding map choices (because a couple of complaints were made).
As long as there are no technical problems with the map (crates spawning in unreachable spots, stuff like that), we don't give any restrictions on the map being played on.
It's your own responsibility to play on a good map!
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A couple of complaints have made it to our complaints forum, so there are a couple of things that need to be cleared up:
Summary:
- Both players/clans need to agree on the map
The map is something that has to be agreed on by both players/clans. If you (the host) don't change the map when your opponent(s) says he/she/they don't want to play on that map, then your pick will not happen.
...suggest your own map to move things along. If you are being unreasonable with your own map request, then the host is entitled to a free win because you'd basically be refusing to play his pick. Make an effort to agree on a map. If you light up, then that means you agree on the settings (scheme and map). If the host refuses to change map after you request another map, remind him of this rule. If he still refuses to change the map, then there's nothing more you can do. You can quit the game.
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Should Encourage everyone to use this feature to give oppenant a Good Preview of map.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2db44qv.jpg)
4. Preview
Left-clicking this button will toggle the map in the main view between draw mode and preview mode.
In preview mode, the map will be shown with terrain texture, etc.
In preview mode, you can click the "Reseed" button to change the arrangement of terrain objects (holding shift while pressing Reseed will backtrack).
Right-clicking the preview button will change the map to a full-colour format that can be saved as a .PNG
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this rule assumes good will
not sure how reasonable people will be when being the joining person/clan who has to vouch for the host map
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Should Encourage everyone to use this feature to give oppenant a Good Preview of map.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2db44qv.jpg)
4. Preview
Left-clicking this button will toggle the map in the main view between draw mode and preview mode.
In preview mode, the map will be shown with terrain texture, etc.
In preview mode, you can click the "Reseed" button to change the arrangement of terrain objects (holding shift while pressing Reseed will backtrack).
Right-clicking the preview button will change the map to a full-colour format that can be saved as a .PNG
I was doing that for some time, but people were getting pissed because it takes much longer to download color maps :P
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Why is auto-lightup forbidden and why would my game be void if I won by using it? Isn't it my handicap if I don't check what settings were made?
Whoever uses it, it's his/her/their problem, since lightup means an agreement on the map and the settings.
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Auto-lightup is when the host force your light to get turned on even when you haven't clicked it. It's done using a script.
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Ooooo i was confused about auto light too.. never heard about that script.. i thought you meant /afk lol... also.. this is a good rule.. this will put a stop to the hosting booting a player wen asking for new map... then reporting the free win... plus 1 tus!
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avi, ill build you a script to prevent being booted, it will be called eat me up rofl and put a fresh map ae
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Can we call it c.u.n.t ? cuz thats wat i called komo after he booted me... now just need to figure wat it means.. maybe "cant undo noobs today"
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Summary:
- Both players/clans need to agree on the map
i cant understand this rule , im free to put the map what i want, if its my time to pick i decide what scheme and map should we play , ill put the kind of map more comfortable to me (talking about rope schemes) , im not talking about map-whoring but what if i wanna play ttrr in a fluffy/barman/eminef map and my oponent doesnt want to play one of this maps cos they are too dificult for him? i wont put a 10 sec only cos he suck/doesnt like it , "f@#! you" i would tell him ...
and what if some1 feels like trolling and ask me to change every singe map i choose? you are giving ground to the trolling with this xDD
i got i new rule for u - Both players/clans need to agree on the scheme
lol
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Auto-lightup is when the host force your light to get turned on even when you haven't clicked it. It's done using a script.
Oh! I tought it was the /afk too.
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Good job, mod team.
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Guaton, if you're going to read my post, be sure to read all of it :)
If you're not the host, clearly, you don't have to agree with the map. We don't want an unending fight about the map though: suggest your own map to move things along. If you are being unreasonable with your own map request, then the host is entitled to a free win because you'd basically be refusing to play his pick. Make an effort to agree on a map. If you light up, then that means you agree on the settings (scheme and map). If the host refuses to change map after you request another map, remind him of this rule. If he still refuses to change the map, then there's nothing more you can do. You can quit the game. If the host reports a free win, just make a thread on the complaint forum (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/) and attach the chatlog from the game lobby (in your User/Logs folder).
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Guaton, if you're going to read my post, be sure to read all of it :)
If you're not the host, clearly, you don't have to agree with the map. We don't want an unending fight about the map though: suggest your own map to move things along. If you are being unreasonable with your own map request, then the host is entitled to a free win because you'd basically be refusing to play his pick. Make an effort to agree on a map. If you light up, then that means you agree on the settings (scheme and map). If the host refuses to change map after you request another map, remind him of this rule. If he still refuses to change the map, then there's nothing more you can do. You can quit the game. If the host reports a free win, just make a thread on the complaint forum (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/) and attach the chatlog from the game lobby (in your User/Logs folder).
i still dont get the sense if it. if someone refuses a map because the map dont fit to him /her the host will obviously put a map in the same style again. so this rule is basicly to avoid "mapwhoring"
this is something i cant support, cause we never got a useful dicussion about it.
for example:
- someone plays all shopper picks ona classic style shopper map like LL.
i cant see any problem there, like i wrote in the complaint, these maps are that easy that he simply cant get any advantage from palyin it every time.
- wxw lets take a look on dienadel, he almost plays the same map over and over but noone complains about it. the reason is simple, his map is a good one and challenging.
i guess its not a matter how many times you play on a map in general. maybe we should look on this case from each scheme differently.
i just dont see why we need to change anything here. when i look on the complaints, some are based simply on having fun in denouncing players. and you give them the feeling they were right in doing this.
someone wrote in the savage topic: "it worked, lets make topics for the others now"
the result would be same if someone just asked savage in the lobby to change his maps, he would done it. but hey, its always more fun to make it public and punch someone in the face.
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Gotta agree with Guaton and Peja, you're just complicating more this league. There are other ways to deal with mapwhores, now we will have another problem, people who can't play difficult maps will ask for an easier one in order to get some lucky advantage.
Bye bye cavern shoppers, hello fabrousses.
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guatowned xDDdddddd!!!!!!!1111111
not only does this rule prevent mapwhoring, the host can't force us to play in a lame map.
read d1's post, if someone is obviously rejecting every reasonable map the host puts, the host would get a freewin. anything can be dealt with by just using common sense.
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guatowned xDDdddddd!!!!!!!1111111
not only does this rule prevent mapwhoring, the host can't force us to play in a lame map.
read d1's post, if someone is obviously rejecting every reasonable map the host puts, the host would get a freewin. anything can be dealt with by just using common sense.
how husk lol, lame 1 map rejected, then host puts another lame map, bl. the possible conditions a map can be avoided are not selected anywhere. if you dont force people giving a valid reason for a mapchange this rule dont change anything but got the potential to create some trouble. i bet with a bit more time some more senseful rule could be made, this looks like an premature ejaculation
ps i really like the light up dont complain stuff.
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its still stupid under my eyes ...
i will never report a free win , free win is not a win ,free win is as lame as mapwhoring (komo deserve be owned by freewins xD)
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that's stupid, if it's my pick I should choose map we are playing on, wtf?
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You guys are making way too much drama out of this. What Husk said. It's all in there, including an answer to your objections.
We're not going to define "lame map", because that's not possible. Unless we're gonna go ahead and measure maps, check the amount of hides, define hides. Define it by the amount of times hosted by a person. We'd have to check the percentage of usage. And even after we do all that, LameHoster will play LameMap1 50 times, then switch to Lamemap2, play it 50 times, then switch to LameMap3, etcetera.
We're telling you it's up to you to pick maps rather than make overcomplicated definition of lame maps and now you're complaining that we're making it overly complicated!
I'm sorry, but I don't understand you here.
If UndefinedIdiot decides to make a fuss about the map every time he plays, guess what: people are going to stop playing, because they don't want to have to bother with this guy when much more easy going people are out there! 2 things happen: UndefinedIdiot stops making a fuss about picking maps or nobody will play UndefinedIdiot and he will quit.
Either way, the problem disappears.
Peja, have you ever considered suggesting a map on your own when you're not the host and he keeps picking the same map? Just a thought. Asking a hoster not to pick the same maps ever game is not in any way unreasonable. This is why in the event of complaints about this, we'll be checking logs.
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You guys are making way too much drama out of this. What Husk said. It's all in there, including an answer to your objections.
We're not going to define "lame map", because that's not possible. Unless we're gonna go ahead and measure maps, check the amount of hides, define hides. Define it by the amount of times hosted by a person. We'd have to check the percentage of usage. And even after we do all that, LameHoster will play LameMap1 50 times, then switch to Lamemap2, play it 50 times, then switch to LameMap3, etcetera.
We're telling you it's up to you to pick maps rather than make overcomplicated definition of lame maps and now you're complaining that we're making it overly complicated!
I'm sorry, but I don't understand you here.
If UndefinedIdiot decides to make a fuss about the map every time he plays, guess what: people are going to stop playing, because they don't want to have to bother with this guy when much more easy going people are out there! 2 things happen: UndefinedIdiot stops making a fuss about picking maps or nobody will play UndefinedIdiot and he will quit.
Either way, the problem disappears.
Peja, have you ever considered suggesting a map on your own when you're not the host and he keeps picking the same map? Just a thought. Asking a hoster not to pick the same maps ever game is not in any way unreasonable. This is why in the event of complaints about this, we'll be checking logs.
and whats the difference to the former system? without any rule, there would be the same results.
oh i forgot now i can force the hoster to pick another map.
in fact this changes nothing since mapwhoring/lamemaps is still possible. its only an useless intervention to the hosters pick. not a hard, unfair, or any bad intervention. but also totaly useless.
i never got any problems about maps, and there never will be. simply because i am able to talk.
its like you said, if someone acting like a douchebag, no need to play him /her.
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Guaton, if you're going to read my post, be sure to read all of it :)
If you're not the host, clearly, you don't have to agree with the map. We don't want an unending fight about the map though: suggest your own map to move things along. If you are being unreasonable with your own map request, then the host is entitled to a free win because you'd basically be refusing to play his pick. Make an effort to agree on a map. If you light up, then that means you agree on the settings (scheme and map). If the host refuses to change map after you request another map, remind him of this rule. If he still refuses to change the map, then there's nothing more you can do. You can quit the game. If the host reports a free win, just make a thread on the complaint forum (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/complaints/) and attach the chatlog from the game lobby (in your User/Logs folder).
i still dont get the sense if it. if someone refuses a map because the map dont fit to him /her the host will obviously put a map in the same style again. so this rule is basicly to avoid "mapwhoring"
this is something i cant support, cause we never got a useful dicussion about it.
for example:
- someone plays all shopper picks ona classic style shopper map like LL.
i cant see any problem there, like i wrote in the complaint, these maps are that easy that he simply cant get any advantage from palyin it every time.
- wxw lets take a look on dienadel, he almost plays the same map over and over but noone complains about it. the reason is simple, his map is a good one and challenging.
i guess its not a matter how many times you play on a map in general. maybe we should look on this case from each scheme differently.
i just dont see why we need to change anything here. when i look on the complaints, some are based simply on having fun in denouncing players. and you give them the feeling they were right in doing this.
someone wrote in the savage topic: "it worked, lets make topics for the others now"
the result would be same if someone just asked savage in the lobby to change his maps, he would done it. but hey, its always more fun to make it public and punch someone in the face.
hey, Im sorry, but after I posted I spoke with savage about it. I felt sorry for him.
We warned LL several times as:
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-89846/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-88578/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-89556/
EVEN in a damn game:
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-85698/
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-85545/
and a lot of times more.
https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/map-2362/
Oh, read before speak.
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in fact this changes nothing since mapwhoring/lamemaps is still possible.
Well, if you choose to allow mapwhores to play on the same map on their hosts, then yes, it will change nothing. In most cases, choosing a map will not be any trouble. You're complaining and complaining about how this will cause troubles, and then you say nothing changes.
Make up your mind, dude! :)
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If opponent hosts and picks lame map, tell him to change it. If he changes it and it's still lame, ask again. If two tries don't work, don't play him. That's what I'd do. :P
Imo this rule is good, it's doing more good than bad.
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in fact this changes nothing since mapwhoring/lamemaps is still possible.
Well, if you choose to allow mapwhores to play on the same map on their hosts, then yes, it will change nothing. In most cases, choosing a map will not be any trouble. You're complaining and complaining about how this will cause troubles, and then you say nothing changes.
Make up your mind, dude! :)
:D :D Good1 Dark1 :D
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Well, of course it is right to make the game more fair, ty for this topic! Of course both should agree with the map, otherwise there will be no fun. And no fun makes people quit from playing tus or wa.
Every hoster has several maps, and it is no problem to change it sometimes. There are some very clumsy maps which rlly shouldnt be played at tus.
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So basicaly if you host your pick 2nd, after playing their pick and they wont agree with any map you get free win.
But if you host 1st and they wont agree on map then no game.
Sooo getting your opponent to host 1st makes you have an advantage on map picking... ?
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i think everyone is putting way too much thought into this...
its a rule to protect people against map whoring...
the host always has the right to pick the style map he wants.... for instance.....
barman likes his mario shoppers, if he picks one you can ask him to change map, he can put a different mario map....
or if guaton likes ninja camel rope race maps, he picks a map, if your not happy and want a change, he can either pick another ninja camel... or what i sometimes do, let the opponent pick what number ninja camel map...
as i said, you guys are putting too much thought into this rule, it does not mean the opponent gets total control of what map is going to be played as long as the host is being reasonable, and not a total prick, like.... whats that guys name? i forget his name... that muted guy...
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Auto-light applies only to games to tus?
Or at all Do not use?
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Auto-light applies only to games to tus?
Or at all Do not use?
Well, using auto light up in funners certainly will not get you banned on tus, but it's still quite lame imo
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ehm, this rule should be build a little more..
1. i pick wxw , put a w4w map in , my opponent is less skilled roper then me ..so he wont agree to any w4w map.. so i have to pick w2w? same in roper maps btw easy/hard ones
2. bng maps.. in host that map looks good.. u run game.. and see "no hides" well u accepted with ur light that game.. so u have to play it? .. i woudnt like it
3. this rule should be for ppl that use always same maps and not for all. at least if that map that ur oppontn chossed is bullshit
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your opponent can ask for a new map, he cant not ask for a specific map (such as w2w)
if he does not like the w4w you can change it to a different w4w... if he does not like that, maybe you can change to a different w4w, and if he does not like that, he is clearly being difficult, and you can tell him either light up, or leave it to the mods...
bng, you can ask the player to show the map prior to lighting, i think its like right clicking, then left clicking then accepting it turning to .png file or something (in map creater section) i dunno exactly how its done off hand, but i just know how to do it.. and im sure everyone else is familiar with it...
its a good rule, stop trying to find flaws when there really are not...
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im not crieng about this rule.
i just said this rule need to be more explained.
well if my opponent dont accept 4 w4w maps .. and its 2nd pick (my pick) .. so i have to tell him to leave?
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im no mod, but i guess they can correct me if im wrong:
if you change the map 2, 3 or even 4 times.. and he still will no cooperate, then you have the right to be nice, and continue to try to find something you both can agree on, or tell him something along the lines of "thats enough, i changed 4 times for you, you still are not happy, light up now, or ill make a complain and most likely win free win" and then add in a "you f@#!ing asshole" or "puto" when needed ;D
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haha :D good1 :D
ye normaly it should go this way.. but it dont stand in darkones post ;) so it should be added to clear this ;)
well but ye avi.. i would handle it this way with "putcha light on asshole" :D
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that's stupid, your pick, your choose, we can discus if if it's 3rd or if opponents pick really weird map
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ye normaly it should go this way.. but it dont stand in darkones post ;)
Sure it does :) Just read it again.
edit: just to check whether an edit message will appear below edited posts if I edit it!
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the only thing we gonna bring with this rule is more complains
anyway... im not using this ridiculous rule if its my pick (neither if its my opponent's pick)
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Its very simple to change a map if its requested... I will make note to always have maciej change map
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ye normaly it should go this way.. but it dont stand in darkones post ;)
Sure it does :) Just read it again.
ouw.. sry xd i guess i miss that .. or u just add that :D
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So basicaly if you host your pick 2nd, after playing their pick and they wont agree with any map you get free win.
But if you host 1st and they wont agree on map then no game.
Sooo getting your opponent to host 1st makes you have an advantage on map picking... ?
very good point pizza =P
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Only if you don't read the announcement post properly or if your opponent(s) is/are being unreasonable ;)