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Other Things => Clans & Communities => CF => Topic started by: Anubis on July 20, 2011, 04:36 PM
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Yo, I just build my new PC and of course I picked Win7 64bit and I think René told me that it doesn't work on Win7 or at least 64bit...
So I am asking if it does (no point in downloading the iso if it won't work anyway).
Here are the speccs if anyone is interested:
ATX Antec Gamer Case Twelve Hundred Big Tower
(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/160/427700_0__31093.jpg)
1000GB Samsung EcoGreen F3 HD105SI 32MB 3.5" (8.9cm) SATA 3Gb/s
(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/160/639975_0__8281035.jpg)
650W Super Flower Golden Green Pro 80+ Gold
(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/160/680755_0__I991371.jpg)
2048MB Sapphire HD 6950 GDDR5 PCIe
(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/160/700801_0__8338854.jpg)
Intel Core i5 2500K 4x 3.30GHz So.1155
(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/160/688677_0__43953.jpg)
Scythe Mugen 2 REV B AMD und Intel S754, 939, AM2+,AM3, 775, 1366, 1156, 1155
(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/160/632637_0__40503.jpg)
ASRock P67 PRO3 B3 (16x/DDR3/SATA3/USB3/R)
(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/160/729789_0__43626.jpg)
2x 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 DIMM CL9 Single
(http://www.mindfactory.de/images/product_images/160/717083_0__8355077.jpg)
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nice Anubis. I also built my new pc nearly two years ago now, also using Windows 7 64bit. worms has been working just fine for those two years. if you ever get any problems, you can ask here or t17 forums because there can sometimes be little settings changes to help.
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windows 7 64bit too, works smooth.
nice pc ae satanic beard.
edit: anu, u going to make any overclock on it ae?
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no more Worms?
uhauaha you said that like you played it before
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I also have Win 7 64.bit. Works fine.
There are just some issues with several graphic cards drivers ;d I simply use an old driver for my HD 5870 to run worms smoothly.
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no more Worms?
uhauaha you said that like you played it before
I did! Just not every week ask franz. :P
And ty for your answers I'll get Worms then, new TFT now too. I hope 1920x1200 ain't a little bit too high. xD
Nino: Not yet, I tried The Witcher 2 and it works very smooth on max settings, so no point in increasing so far. :)
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hehe ye anu, true, i did mount a monster pc years ago cos i like it very fast, lol, and also just a tip everyone must know already, i did raid 0 on it, and it wors much faster then with single HDD, the point is, processor, memory and rest , wait to much for HDD to read the stuff and process , then if u do raid 0 or even buy an SSD computer gets faster as sex of rabbit lol
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René told me worms doesn't work on Win7 or at least 64bit...
Don't listen to BlondZ, hehe. I, too, play worms on win7 64bit.
PS. Dude, you bought 5400 rpm HD? :-X You could ditch one RAM stick (you prolly don't need 8GB ram) and buy a decent HD instead. But nice PC otherwise.
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Actually, the plan was to get a new silent and cheap HD for storage (I record gameplay videos) and soon get a SSD for Windows only. So yeah it might be a slow one (well compared to my old ones it's very fast) but slower operating speed ensures longer durability.
Works at 110mbits/s which is almost 2x as fast as my old one (60mbit). So I am quite happy with it. :)
I was deciding between 5400 and 7200 though, the price was identical but the reviews for the 5400 were SO much better (VERY silent, no problems, all reviews 5 Stars) and the 7200 only had 4 Stars and many people said that you can hear the HD even within a closed case. So since I wanted to get SSD anyway soon I decided that I definately want a silent HD for storage.
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So yeah it might be a slow one (well compared to my old ones it's very fast) but slower operating speed ensures longer durability.
Iam not sure my friend, SAS drives , works on speed of 10k or 15k rpm and it is very durable, made to works in servers for years ae.
i think there are some seagate discs with 7200 rpm as silent and as durable as this oneu bought ae amigo.
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But pretty useless for daylie work in my opinion. Not running a server ae. ^^
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How much the entire thing cost?
1. Why Green PSU? They are known for causing noises/parasite. (At least the ones in my country)
2. If you wanna enjoy 1TB hard, you should never get 1TB hard drive but split it into at least 2 HDs on raid 0 as nino suggested. (I have 4 HDs on raid 0, yea suck on it nino ;))
3. Why Intel Core i5? Why not i7?
btw I'm not attacking you. Looks like a nice PC :)
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I never said it was an OS issue! :P
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@satanicbeard, i know u r not running a server m8, i was just trying to say you could get a 7200rpm with the same level of noise as a 5400rpm and durability ae.
@monkey, hauhua u have 4 HDs in raid 0 but hey w8, you got raid 0 + 1 no?
btw 2 HDs of 500GB in raid 0 will result in only 1 Logical HD of 500gb, ye it coasts more, but performance say aeeeeeeeee.
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Just 4 x 320GB on raid 0. Technically I'm having 4x faster HD performance!
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Just 4 x 320GB on raid 0. Technically I'm having 4x faster HD performance!
Is that really worth it? I mean, isn't 2x enough? :O
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shift+pause whenever colors get crazy (happens rarely)
other temp fixes are right clicking desktop wallpaper and opening "screen resolution" leave that window open (minimized or otherwise) and the colors will never f@#! up.
The colors never f@#! up for me anyway as of new beta patch with a 9800gtx+
and now anu go download dragon age 2, you'll love it.
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and now anu go download dragon age 2, you'll love it.
I bet he will. I recommend that game too, Bioware says it all. :D
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@darKz,
It is enough. By the time I was buying it, I wanted to get 2 x 500GB. Then I found out If I get 4 x 320GB it is the same price so it was +280GB and 2x more speed than 2x500 :)
On the side note, all these obsessions on buying the hardware is just untill you get the PC. After, you'll forget all and get used to it.
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Bioware says it all. :D
motherf@#!ers didn't add lan play
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Bioware says it all. :D
motherf@#!ers didn't add lan play
They didn't put LAN play in Starcraft 2 either, it's dying slowly...
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Bioware says it all. :D
motherf@#!ers didn't add lan play
They didn't put LAN play in Starcraft 2 either, it's dying slowly...
makes sense since it's a battle.net game
but da2 has no multiplayer support.
WHY
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so MI u got 4 HDs of 320 GB on raid 0 and for the system only 1 logical HD of 320 GB right?
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No the whole thing is on 4 x 320 GB. First off I created the raid0 with 4 HDs, then I started installing OS and stuff. You know it is possible, right? :)
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ye man i know, i did the same, i did configure it, on the motherboard setup, then i installed OS, but i dont undestand you did raid 0 and still have 4 hds recognized in ur OS?
i took it from a site
This writes "stripes" of data alternatively to each disk. This halves the number of writes and doubles the space. For example, if you wanted to write 1MB, this is broken into whatever size blocks you choose, usually 128KB then the blocks are written out across the disks, along with parity. So when you think RAID 0 think, fast.
Because it's writing half the data to each disk, it then presents the logical volume as a single large disk.
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ye man i know, i did the same, i did configure it, on the motherboard setup, then i installed OS, but i dont undestand you did raid 0 and still have 4 hds recognized in ur OS?
When did I say that? I said I have 4 HDs configured on RAID0. My OS obviously has recognized 1 HD. :)
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soooooooo man, thats what i was asking from the start, maybe i didnot ask it corretly.
now i gotcha ae.
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How much the entire thing cost?
1. Why Green PSU? They are known for causing noises/parasite. (At least the ones in my country)
2. If you wanna enjoy 1TB hard, you should never get 1TB hard drive but split it into at least 2 HDs on raid 0 as nino suggested. (I have 4 HDs on raid 0, yea suck on it nino ;))
3. Why Intel Core i5? Why not i7?
btw I'm not attacking you. Looks like a nice PC :)
1.: I care a lot about power saving, that is the real reason, furthermore: That PSU in particular is one of the greatest PSU reviews I have ever read for that price. (I read PC games hardware extreme) I wanted a quality PSU where I can easily upgrade without worrying if it's enough or not. The PSU has all the new standards that PSU should have, just read it up. The only thing it doesn't have is cable management, but that has my Antec Gamer Case, all cables go behind the mainboard, so within the case there are basically no cables. :) It doesn't make noises btw, rumors are usually what they are: one case and applying it to everything. It's like my mate whos working in a PC shop, he always tells me that be quiet PSU die, ALWAYS!!! Well I had a be quiet PSU for 3 years and it did not die.
2. If you are suggesting using 2 or 4 HD's instead of just 1 for the same space, I'd never do that.
3. The real difference between i5 2500k and i7 2600k is hyper threading which is FAIL for gamers. Many games suffer FPS with hyper threading so it's recommended to turn hyper threading off when you play. (Google it if you don't believe) The only real performance boost is while rendering videos, but in my opinion not for the extra price of about 70 Euro. And 3,30 ghz (i5) vs. 3,40 ghz (i7), that's a joke you can just overclock the i5 if you want. ;)
There is one thing you guys didn't notice and that is that the HD 6950 isn't quite as good as it first looked like. It's equal to a 6870 in performance, but uses more Power and is only better when you have a really high resolution 2560 and such... well I don't so it was basically not so great. (Well it DOES do better with 4x MSAA on 1920x1080) but just 1-5% more performance compared to a HD 6870.
So my suggestion is if you want to get a 6950 go for the 6870 unless you plan on playing on a real high resolution.
The entire thing was around 750 Euro.
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Well this is a bit hard to discuss mainly because you've already bought your beloved PC and your move is to defend. I would do exactly the same and as I mentioned before, you will forget all this soon. Once the game begin, we'll all forget about hardware. :)
Back to subject, for PSUs, there are kings out there like Thermaltake, they eat Green as a daily snack but money-wise, you are probably right. I've fallen away far from prices now.
For Hard drive I think you didn't get what we meant for multiple hard drives.
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For Hard drive I think you didn't get what we meant for multiple hard drives.
Ye me too MI, anubis, if u even see the performance increase it does, u'd be like "porra, i should've done this b4" lol.
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Well this is a bit hard to discuss mainly because you've already bought your beloved PC and your move is to defend. I would do exactly the same and as I mentioned before, you will forget all this soon. Once the game begin, we'll all forget about hardware. :)
Back to subject, for PSUs, there are kings out there like Thermaltake, they eat Green as a daily snack but money-wise, you are probably right. I've fallen away far from prices now.
For Hard drive I think you didn't get what we meant for multiple hard drives.
No my move is not to defend, why would I then point out that my graphics card wasn't the best idea? Makes no sense. :)
I did want i7 instead of i5 but after looking around it makes no difference in Games since hyper threading is contra productive for 90% of the games. Exception is for example Anno 1404.
The very small boost in performance with 0,10ghz more for each core doesn't make up the price of 70 Euro when you can just overclock it anyway! Don't you think? That's how I saw it.
When buying a PC you have to consider "what you pay and what you get" paying 30% more money to get like... 5% more performance makes no sense. This is how I pick my PC Components.
And about the PSU, could you actually give me some source? I have a hard time finding out what you mean by just typing in google: thermaltake king of PSU. xD
I don't actually get what you guys are talking about, like I asked before if you are suggesting getting 2x500GB HD instead of 1 TB then, no my answer is: makes no sense.
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anubis the HD thing is, when you have per exemple 2x 500gb in raid 0, it makes like 2x faster the time of read/write in the disc.
but ye, like said b4 ur OS will just recognize 1 logical HD of 500gb.
so monkey got 4x this means he got 4x faster the read/write stuff in HD, man it makes the system work much faster.
cos like i said processor, memory, PSU and others workds much faster than the HD so basicaly all them w8 for the HD to write/read to make their job. this for sure worth it. and not that expensive too HDS are acctually the cheapest part of pc in comparison with rest.
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But I already said I will get SSD for Windows and of course install my games there that I want to play (128GB SSD is enough for this) and the HD now is just STORAGE, it's not the HD where Windows will run, or the games that I currently play. SSD is better ae?
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hmm i think SSD speed is like a system with raid 0, using 2 disks, iam not sure tho, but SSD doesnot use mechanical stuff in the disk, needles and dishes i think, so it is much more durable too.
SSD is a nice choice ae.
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That's why I said why the f@#! should I get 2x500 or 3x320 or whatever when I just wanted storage for movies, music and old games I don't play anymore. I said that in my 2nd post already that it will run on SSD. -.-
You guys are crazy and very persistent! Next time please read EVERYTHING. -.-
Here page 1:
Actually, the plan was to get a new silent and cheap HD for storage (I record gameplay videos) and soon get a SSD for Windows only.
Storage means that there will basically nothing run, just store things that I don't use frequently. It makes me sad that you had to make such long discussion when it was not necessary. Calm down now ae? xD
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ok sorry :(
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It's ok, porra!
That's why I didnt get why you suggested getting 2xHD for storage, don't need extreme speed for that lol. I just needed more space where I can swap my files to.
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Still got my HDD in there, Kai? It will always be a part of your PC! :D
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i was not waste of time anyway Kai, now peoples knows what raid 0 is and might be interested in doing this in their PCs.
and you better give back the HDD of putinho xD.
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And about the PSU, could you actually give me some source? I have a hard time finding out what you mean by just typing in google: thermaltake king of PSU. xD
Search for "Thermaltake PSU review", an example:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1264&ID=1943#Tab4
Also you're a forum guy. Enter some hardware forums and ask about this brand.
(Didn't want to "advertise" this brand, but the thread kinda went into their direction. Silect Pro, Silverstone are also good PSUs.)
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get a real OS and install linux ;)
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and you better give back the HDD of putinho xD.
Ah no worries, he bought me a new one some time ago. It's just that the HDD in his PC was originally mine! :D
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Talking about OS, iam just using windows cos worms, i've heard this run on linux but didnot want to try. i used ubuntu for long time and it is really cool, but porra, since i bought my mac i love the OS system xD iam upgrading to Lion now xD it is downloading aeeeeee
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Wanna-be geeks everywhere, hehe. 2x faster performance with 2 disks in raid 0? Bwahaha. I wanna see some benchmarks, dudes. ;D
IMHO, the performance gain of raid 0 is not worth the increased risk of data loss, k?
Anubis, nevermind us. What we all jumped up about is that this HD could be a bottleneck in your system. But since you'll have ssd, np. ;)
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there you go rok.
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In my experience, totally my own, I've had data loss with single HDs more than with raid0. I used to live in a flat with terrible electricity voltage and over a summer I had like 30 times electricity getting cut off which resulted in losing my PSU, my motherboard. Even my electricity-protector got burned out due to a massive high voltage swing.
My HDs stayed safe. Although judging on one case shouldn't be a clue but Rok you're saying that on the paper, right?
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Nino. Yes, raid 0 is 2x faster in theory (and practicaly, when it comes to transfering large files, encoding video, etc...). In everyday use, though, it's nowhere near 2x faster performance (talking about applications, games, etc...).
MI, a chance that a single HD fails is still the same, sure. But when one of the drives in raid 0 fails, you lose data on all, right? And the fact that your drives survived voltage swings has nothing to do with raid, I think.
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MI, a chance that a single HD fails is still the same, sure. But when one of the drives in raid 0 fails, you lose data on all, right?
True. But with a little bit alteration. Hard drives on raid are considered as one hard drive. I know you know that, but when you have raid 0, you shouldn't think you have 4 HDs. (In my case). I have one hard drive that is 1.2 TB so the chance of me losing my data is equal to somebody else with 1 physical HD. It seems like you got close to try raid 0, but you backed off thinking "why bother with the stress of losing data"
the fact that your drives survived voltage swings has nothing to do with raid, I think.
Voltage swing, in a good case, makes the electricity protector (or what do you call it?) cuts off the electricity. So basically it is like unplugging your computer when some apps are running. It has nothing to do with raid yes, but The chances of losing data in these cases are high. I was pointing out that I have had many electricity breaks while working on my PCs, with 4HDs on raid 0 which I was supposed to lose data easily.
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Rok, i dont run others games in my computer than worms lol, i even did, but i just dont like to play others games than worms, i cant really say if raid 0 really makes is 2x faster, maybe no, but am sure it increases speed for sure for a game, maybe note 2x.
All i can say it that it makes everything in the pc run faster than only 1 disk, and imo it is worth it.
it is like a car with 200HP and hs max speed of 220km/h , it doesnot mean if u get a car with 400HP ull be able to get 440km/h lol.
but for sure a 400hp car, can be faster than a 200hp car porra!!!!
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And about the PSU, could you actually give me some source? I have a hard time finding out what you mean by just typing in google: thermaltake king of PSU. xD
Search for "Thermaltake PSU review", an example:
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1264&ID=1943#Tab4
Also you're a forum guy. Enter some hardware forums and ask about this brand.
(Didn't want to "advertise" this brand, but the thread kinda went into their direction. Silect Pro, Silverstone are also good PSUs.)
Have you actually searched for Flower Power? It is not a no name brand. Sorry but I see no evidence why thermaltake should be superior in this case.
Flower Power Golden Green: Passed 80 PLUS® Gold Certification, on 20% 50% 100% loading, with 89% 90% 88% Transform Efficiency.
The thermaltake just had Bronze 80 Plus.
They are actually exactly the same, just mine has better efficiency.
No offense dude but why are you claiming that Flower Power is worse/gets eaten? lol Search for it, they use high quality components, actually even the same capacitors, have the same security standards and are overall on the same lvl.
Btw: They have even 80 Plus Platinum Passed PSU's.
Can't understand why you picked the PSU out of the components, you guys should have picked on the video card and the RAM, cause there I agree are better options avaiable.
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I'm really sorry. I misread the whole thing about PSU. I confused FlowerPower with Green power. All the time I was talking about the Green brand power. :(
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I'm really sorry. I misread the whole thing about PSU. I confused FlowerPower with Green power. All the time I was talking about the Green brand power. :(
Man this Thread is full of misunderstanding. xD
Already wrote you via PM that it's ok. :)
ROFL btw m8, I am also an idiot. It's called SUPER FLOWER not Flower Power, rofl. Man what a thread. xD
Oh yeah another funny thing I wanted to share:
The scythe Mugen 2 is a hell of a CPU cooler to install. We were 3 people and everyone had to do something while installing the Cooler. Quite a nice experience to build that PC. :)
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hahaha Kai, funny thread ye xD
man when i bought my water cooler i was like porra it! will i be able to mount? XD