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Title: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Lupastic on March 21, 2022, 06:25 PM
jaevla helvete
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on March 30, 2022, 08:24 PM
Hello, I remind you guys that only 6 days are left to accomplish this challenge! Come and submit your time!
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Lupastic on April 05, 2022, 05:16 PM
wow well done KRD : >
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: KoreanRedDragon on April 05, 2022, 06:09 PM
Thoink!

I'm sure this current method is doable in 124s at least, btw. Maybe even just taking the best parts of my two submitted replays would get it there, it's not that difficult to optimise further. Although that second to last jump right under the finish is kinda bullshit, I don't think it works 100% of the time. And that worries me.
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 05, 2022, 06:59 PM
Nice jump guys! ^^
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 05, 2022, 07:46 PM
Deadcode your last replay is faulty (I have accepted it by mistake, I was accepting the old one).
I suggest you to republish the replay because it doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 05, 2022, 07:54 PM
Thank you for uploading it again! ^^
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Lupastic on April 05, 2022, 08:22 PM
very nice runs o: true-born viking walkthroughs
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: KoreanRedDragon on April 05, 2022, 08:29 PM
This is getting a little exciting now.
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 05, 2022, 08:31 PM
5 attempts in 30 minutes.
Are you crazy? :D
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: KoreanRedDragon on April 05, 2022, 09:23 PM
I'm actually gonna go to bed now, but definitely there's 2 extra seconds that can still be shaved off this 119.48s run, even using my exact method. Then using the forward jump from Lupastic's submission at around 96 seconds on top of that, a bunch more seconds to be saved, for those braver than I.

Fun challenge, but then they always are when DC throws his hat in the ring. :D
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 05, 2022, 09:27 PM
Tomorrow I will take a look at your last attempt, I gotta go to bed as well! :D
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Lupastic on April 06, 2022, 08:49 AM
this challenge got raped at this point :D
but hey since both of your submitted time is 114.38s you share the 1st place and I can get silvah ::)
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 06, 2022, 12:39 PM
All the replays have been watched and approved! :)
I have put the deadline a bit further so if you are going to give one last try I will be available to take a look at it! :)
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: KoreanRedDragon on April 06, 2022, 01:13 PM
Glorious, just watched David's exact tie. What are the odds!

That first half, up until around 70 seconds, is so good now. I wish I knew earlier about that forward bump jump near the top where he absolutely STICKS the landing, it looks like a huge time save!

but hey since both of your submitted time is 114.38s you share the 1st place and I can get silvah ::)

Mablak's entrance music sounds in the distance...
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 06, 2022, 02:16 PM

Mablak's entrance music sounds in the distance...

Sounds like a Terraria boss incoming.

Eater of Worlds has awoken! :D
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Deadcode on April 06, 2022, 02:26 PM
Here is a TA of the challenge. This is not done by BRSolver; I did all the jumps manually, so it's likely possible to shave off a little time from this. The result is a 105.56 s run. It's amazing how much time our tiny little pauses add up to cumulatively.

(BRSolver is incapable of not doing flipwalking, so a BRSolver run wouldn't be directly comparable with unassisted runs.)
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: h3oCharles on April 06, 2022, 05:57 PM
is skipwalking allowed? if so, could the TAS be improved by using that?
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 06, 2022, 05:58 PM
is skipwalking allowed? if so, could the TAS be improved by using that?

Skipwalking is NOT allowed :)
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: KoreanRedDragon on April 06, 2022, 06:27 PM
With 5 minutes to spare, found one extra optimisation and got it implemented as part of an imperfect but good run.

Now I pray.
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: FoxHound on April 06, 2022, 06:33 PM
is skipwalking allowed? if so, could the TAS be improved by using that?

If I'm not mistaken Flipwalking is faster than Skipwalking, Deadcode was talking about an automatic flipwalking program (that was not used) if I understood what he wrote.
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Echiko on April 06, 2022, 06:47 PM
Challenge has expired! Thank you guys for giving so many attempts and so much enthusiasm!
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: Deadcode on April 06, 2022, 06:48 PM
If I'm not mistaken Flipwalking is faster than Skipwalking, Deadcode was talking about an automatic flipwalking program (that was not used) if I understood what he wrote.
It is not an automatic flipwalking program. It is a Battle Race brute-force solver that tries all possible paths from the start, de-duplicating when a path is found that leads to a subpixel coordinate that was already covered by a faster path. The first full path that reaches the finish is the fastest, which it then emits as its solution.

Flipwalking is not explicitly encoded anywhere in the program. The fact that it is used is an emergent property, and this was in fact how flipwalking was discovered.
Title: Re: Challenge #780, Rune Race
Post by: FoxHound on April 08, 2022, 12:44 AM
Flipwalking is not explicitly encoded anywhere in the program. The fact that it is used is an emergent property, and this was in fact how flipwalking was discovered.

Wow, machine learning evolution of worms. Will we have facilitated flipwalking as scheme option one day?