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It's a nice idea this Tr-challenge... but this is so long... Many players will not play this one. If yu have one shorter, will be great, and a lot of people could play it. Have you once shorter to upload in replacing this?
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I agree.
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Grats to ka1ser for being the first to beat this challenge!
Also, something I forgot in the original challenge post - If the rope is very close to the line it's supposed to hit (especially if it's a yellow or green line that's hard to see) I'll probably count it.
As for the challenge being too long, this one was supposed to be a bit of a marathon, and it'll last until the start of January, so there should be plenty of time to do it. After it's over, then maybe one of the smaller maps could be a challenge if people still want it.
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Check this one fluffy its not so long and not so easy, imo u can try finish it 3 o 4 time for improve your best time and would be more competitive for many player... :p
map-791
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ehehe but we have not time for a "marathone"... Once smaller will be great and competitive for more players ;)
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what and why ka1ser presses all the game... it's maddening! ;/
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here the demo
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Sorry, Maciej, for my enter-pressing habit. I just can't do anything with that. Especially when something goes wrong :)
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Just watched Alien's replay, a few problems:
@6m: for extended kick to spike, he does regular kick instead of extended kick (aka double kick / triple kick / etc.). But I'm fine with that, they're pretty much the same difficulty, I really just made the map like that because double kick made most sense from left to right.
@34m: dragon instead of warlock - not a big difference, but I think I'll have to deduct 30 seconds for this one.
@46m: for double kick to reverse spike, he does double kick to extended/double spike. Seems similar difficulty, gonna deduct another 30s.
Hope the deducting time thing is cool with everyone, I figure it's better than rejecting 50 minutes of work - It seems like OrangE already has the time beat, so it's not gonna mess with the rankings too much.
Now I have to go watch OrangE's replay :-X
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so f@#!ing endurance :X im going to try another time!
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yea to deduct 30 seconds for each fail is a good idea fluffy ;)
edit : i did a dragon instead a warlock in my new replay again...i don't know why sry...played it yesterday too :o
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Yep, I noticed. 30s deducted. You also did an ordinary kick instead of an extended (double/triple/etc) kick for the extended kick to extended spike trick again, which I don't really care about, but if you ever do another I'd prefer if you fix that up too.
Just a little note: I said I'll be posting the replay of first place with the map, if the winner wants it. I'm gonna change that to the top place that has all the tricks right, 'cause it'll be a poor example if there are mistakes :D
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lmao rod gj!
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i hope my new replay is ok now fluffy ;D
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Heh just to say that I really like this map and really like this challenge! First thing I ever played on TUS in fact :D
I killed my time of 45 and lowed to 42 but won't upload till I don't kill Alien's time! :D
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And Rodent jumps into the lead with 38:20, good job Rodent :)
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nice rodent...finally someone has the balls to beat my time :D
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With no 30s penalty?
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With no 30s penalty?
Yep, all good except for some minor bits where he didn't quite hit the line, but those are ok, and in places my fault for not making the lines long enough for reasonable tricks, or visible enough to see that it didn't quite touch (green and yellow on white wasn't a good idea).
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Ohhh it counts time when I surrender not when I touch last line? Gonna practice my surrendering... I'm doing that too slow! 11s ffs! :D
Anyway, Alien I'm waiting your next record ;)
And ye, sorry for being unprecise a bit... what tricks were problem?
And another edit... how can I put sW into my profile information? I see that angus and orange have their clans listed... I was searching around forum and failed to find info how to do that... only about how to register but sW is already registered. I hope someone here know about that so that I don't have to make topic into help part of forum... ty :)
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I win ;)
So bad I lost around 1 min in the last 2 tricks when their are really easy ;(
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I win ;)
So bad I lost around 1 min in the last 2 tricks when their are really easy ;(
haha
[f4st] I piss on tus
wb ?! :D
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U stfu Jo Wilfred, I still pissing on TUS, but Fluffy did so good work with that 3 maps, and this Challenge is so interesting :)
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GJ man! :D
I usually lose 5 mins on last nova etc :)
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Ohhh it counts time when I surrender not when I touch last line? Gonna practice my surrendering... I'm doing that too slow! 11s ffs! :D
For some stupid reason I decided to use the time the game ended at for the first record so I was stuck with it after that - surrender time or time touching the finish would've been a better point to choose the time, but it should still be pretty consistent. With such long games though, I'll be surprised if it comes down to a few seconds.
And ye, sorry for being unprecise a bit... what tricks were problem?
Probably nothing but a millimetre or two anywhere, except the inlaw to pini right near the end where you grabbed the top bit, but that line should've covered the whole wall anyway, it was just careless that I allowed a pini to be possible there without grabbing the right line. I think I'll fix that bit up on next edit of the map.
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Oh, and forgot to say congrats to f4st for a great time. I wouldn't want to have to beat that ;)
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We gonna beat it!!! This challenge have just became more interesting! :D
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I think under 30 mins its possible, I did lots of fails there, lost 2 mins in Backwash, 2 mins in the last hard Nova and 1 min at last tricks.
But too lazy to do it again xD, if someone beat my time maybe I try it again.
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welcome back m4te :D
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Ye ofc... I think that below 30 is possible too. I'll give my best to make you do this map again :D
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I could use a second opinion on Alien's latest time - about 0:40s in for the 5x pinball at the beginning, he bounces off the ground from the left into 4 pinballs. I would have thought to count that as 4 pinballs, but I guess I could see how the beginning bounce might count as one. So is it OK? I didn't want to make a snap judgement here 'cause it'll be a first place time and a difficult one to beat.
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f*ck that one pini, sry my bad >:(
ok deduct what you want, but let me be on first place for now :D
edit : forget this replay...i have made a new one
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Alien powa! :D
Today I have made time of 45 mins... getting worse instead better :(
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Great job! Deducted 30s on the first one 'cause it doesn't really matter now.
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Man... are you not bored of watching that replays? :)
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Eh, it's not so bad at 3-4x speed, I just have to rewatch anything that didn't look right.
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Are there any program that allows you to go backward while watching replay? I can't find that option while looking replay normally...
I ask because I wanna make trick race challenge with my map if I ever update it with fixes of all known issues there(and it's quite a lot)... :)
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Are there any program that allows you to go backward while watching replay? I can't find that option while looking replay normally...
I ask because I wanna make trick race challenge with my map if I ever update it with fixes of all known issues there(and it's quite a lot)... :)
Nope, you've just gotta write down the times and skip to them on the next playthrough.
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Boh, have a 33.10 replay, but its so weird, was in the last hard Nova with 27 mins and lost 5 mins on it xD, f@#! that trick.
Will do under 30 soon ;)
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Ye... that last nova should be removed in next version of map! :D
gj btw!
edit... 34:46... still bronze for me! I hope we all go below 30 'till the end of challenge!
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32:02! :D
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Fierce competition :o
The nova/wall shadow at the end does get easier with practice and the right approach, so if it's that much trouble practice it :P
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the nova/wall shadow isn't so hard but the pressure don't make it easier ;D
30.31 - this fly to fly in the third map ate my brain ! >:(
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Bravooo Alien! :)
Indeed it becomes easier with practice... but the thing is that it would be very annoying for anyone new that wanna enter this competition... or next one :)
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i have finally played this challenge under 30 minutes...merry christmas :-*
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o0, I see some errors on Alien replay:
- In the 2 wizards combo, after hard Dragon on 1st map, he dont grab the blue line.
- In the Cannonball at the end of 1st map, he dont grab the pinball.
Anyway I did a 28:26 ;)
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Omg! I have to learn too much this days but I'll find some time to beat your asses! GJs btw!
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ok time to play it again :D
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Damn Alien ;(
Let's go for 25 then ;)
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I don't know if anyone new is still looking at this challenge, but with a week to go I'm expanding my offer to put people's names on the map. Anyone who beats the challenge at all before the end date for the challenge will get their name on the map, so if you haven't played or submitted 'cause you couldn't beat an hour, now is your time.
Very nice work to everyone vying for first place, you're making me feel bad about how lazy I was with the replays I made of the maps :o
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lol f4st, i think it is possible, but it needs a very good run !
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Just watched the replay. Hats off.
It's all very well roping for 40 seconds in a ttrr and then make a huge mistake and f@#! it all up but after 20 minutes I'd be so pissed off.
This takes supreme patience :<
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Aliens replay was really nice, I actually really really enjoyed watching this, this is the 1st replay i've ever watched in x1 speed, damn that was entertaining.
Ok, this is a really really long post, I remember KRD telling me how bad the names of moves for roping has became a while back, I had no idea what he meant until I watched Aliens replay on this map, is it the NLF or FNL community or something? Well he said they renamed alot of "moves" with the rope, anyway, maybe I am old fashioned or something, but alot of this doesn't make sense to me, here is my criticism and my own confusion as to how the names for these shots came to be, please by all means, if anyone can explain to me about any these moves I mention, please do so lol !
If you don't read the follow make sure to read the last paragraph.
The following is based on how Alien roped, if he done any the moves wrong and i've been mis-guided, let me know !
And Fluffy, good job modding this Challenge, i've been watching it, so ignore all this criticism etc cuz it ain't directed at you lol.
"Scrolls"
I thought and I am very sure Scrolls is just roping in a direction with a roof above you, not the technique you see in RR's alot, hard for me to explain, but well what Alien done in the replay.
Is "Pini" a "Pinball" cuz that's what it looks like to me?
I don't get this "Dreamer with Pini" thing, all he done was the 1st part of a Dragon then done what was originally called an IllBeBack.
Can you explain to me "Swing to Touchdown to Gap"? All that looks like is the start of a dragon with another IllbeBack with a pinball, what is "to Gap"??? Lol
"Double Dragon" - Isn't this just a Fling then a Dragon combined, it isn't a double dragon, the way i'd imagine it anyway...
"Plunger" this is just a swoosh pinball move, why not just call it a swoosh pinball?
"Reverse Inlaw" I don't see why this is called this, doesn't look reverse to me, but it looks extremely cool and actually said out loud "nice", I think this should be called something totally different altogther, but thats just me lol.
From what originated as a "Mexi" and an "Arch" a mexi is when you throw yourself like this way over an entire island in a roper, and an arch is when you do it over a small part of this island, so I don't see where you get all these Mexi's that are actually Arches.
I can see why you call things "Extended" cuz instead of pulling the rope in, you've pushed it way out, this makes sense I like this.
"Swing to Nova" How is this called this, looks like a Swing to a Shadow, where do you get Nova from lol?
Isn't this "Backwash" just a wizard? Looks like it to me...
I really don't understand why you call this next move a "reverse mexi" when it actually looks more like a reverse swoosh...
"Swoosh to Dragon" This just looks like a swoosh, then just some sort of a toss up, then a shadow, that isn't a dragon, no way in hell is that a dragon, dragons are when you throw yourself like you are doing a mexi then doing a shadow going down, not up lol.
"Butterfly" Seriously, where are you getting these names from LOL ! This just looks like a pump, then a spiked shadow...
I thought inlaws were supposed to go down, not up, but I can see how this works...
"Swing to Spike" This is a cool move actually, but why call it swing to spike, and not an entirely different name? Like a dragon is just a "swing" then a shadow but isn't called a swing to shadow...
Wasn't a "Reverse Spike" called something of it's own on IBB's Tutorial page? I'm sure it had it's own name, I might be wrong though...
"Impossible" Just lol... Alien done this 1st attempt, what a stupid name for a move...
Who actually came up with all these names? I mean some of the names are cool I guess, but it's a shame to see how so many of these moves have actually already been named something else by Ropers like 8 years or more ago...
Either way, very very VERY nice roping there Alien, I am really really impressed :)
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You shouldn't necessarily mention Alien's replay specifically. There are a number of very similar times in this challenge.
A lot of these new tricks are combinations of pre-existing tricks. It could be argued that renaming / grouping tricks is more sensible when you're trying to describe a massive rope combo you've just done.
If there was any debate about what these tricks should be called then it's up to those people to complain or offer alternative suggestions. As this hasn't happened (or at least not publically) then people playing these crazy trick schemes can name them what they like.
These new trick names have evolved from a fairly small group of hardcore wormers devoted to tricks and trick combos.
I find it quite intimidating looking at these maps and not knowing what the f@#! the tricks are. It makes a long term wormer feel uncomfortable as perhaps it does to you Komo.
But these tricks aren't 'new'. All the old schoolers and anyone else has had their chance to complain about these tricks.
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Yeah, it just seems a bit silly with these crazy names, in terms of BnG, I could start making up weird names too for combo's, like a bank transfer, let's call that "puff puff pass" and when you plop someone, let's call that "You got knocked the f@#! out!"
I done a combo of shots, with their names that the b2b community calls them between ourselfs, some of which most people refer to nowadays, for example a Bank, me and resonance started this name, and it stuck, floorbank, that stuck too, but it sounds right from what you see, double bank and triple bank are pretty obvious, for each individual part it goes like this:
LG MaxBounce Floorbank Triple Bank BunnyHop Transfer - 5s, maybe i'll name this a "Dreamworld"
And a LG MaxBounce Bank BackBounce Transfer Trapshot - 5s, i'll name that a "MWaHaHa"
I guess my point is, I think it's pretty confusing having specific names for moves that are a combination of a bunch of different actions, like when it says "swing to inlaw", this, is easy to understand, but when I see "Dreamer" and "Impossible" and "Butterfly" I am thinking, what the hell is he gonna do now, and I actually had to start the replay and skip in super fast mode like 10-15 times for each of those moves to fully understand what seperates them.
And if they called it like, "Swing to Dragon to outlaw" it'd be much much easier to understand.
If I played that map, i'd have to pause it everytime I came up to a new part to check their tutorial page just to see what I have to do next lol.
Plus the names they make up don't really make sense.
Like a "Transfer" in BnG is like the opposite of a bank, instead of bouncing off a wall and going up, it bounces off a wall and goes down, it's like a transfer of direction, which is why I named it this.
I just feel like the names they made up don't really make sense or fit the move.
Don't get me wrong, this whole Trick Race thing is really really awesome, it's really impressive and like you said, takes ALOT of patience to rope 20-40 minutes solid like that, and for some people it would actually maybe start to hurt your arms/wrists depending on your style, so yeah, hats off for that.
And it doesn't make me uncomfortable, just confuses the hell outta me lol
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These new tricks / combo names have become 'standard'; you can only assume that they make sense for the experts who play this scheme as much as you play BnG.
Considering this was perhaps your first proper look at a trick race, it's only expected that you'd be confused!
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Yeah I know that lol, I just think some of the names are flawed, some of them don't make sense, and some of them are wrong.
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Komo... I have in my mind one project. That will be map with explanations of all the tricks that are done in this "new roping age"
You know many tricks by their old names, that simply are not used anymore. Some new tricks invented and combinations of 2 or more tricks got their own unique names because those are used often in games like wxw.
I simply can't replay to your post here because it will take me hours probably to find explanations for all things you asked and probably you won't understand even half because of my bad English... so if you see me ( sW`Rodent`nlF ) around a wormnet feel free to ask me for a game. I will be able to explain you most of that things in game probably.
"I guess my point is, I think it's pretty confusing having specific names for moves that are a combination of a bunch of different actions"
As I already said in my post... combos that are used too often in normal games deserve their own unique name... Like the thing you will say "I'm" instead if "I am" in most of the cases... simply it's just easier when you are using that combo words too often :)
And ye... some things that may not look logical to you after this... names for some tricks here are made from names of that combos because they are tought like that.
"IllbeBack" I don't know what is that... probably that is too old name for me... I'm kinda new roper around here...
Some people consider that pinball is made of many pinies... so when you have one bounce from ground that is pini and when you have multy bouncing that is pinball.
About scrolls you are totally right... I disagree with that naming too :)
etc...
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Thanks Rodent, that actually cleared a few things up for me :)
For some reason I thought you were DarkOne at first cuz you had blue writing lol, dunno why... Bit drunk now...
Sure man, if I see you I will try to play you, I am always keen to learn new things, although technically they ain't new, but like, re-newed lol :)
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lol komo :D
thanks btw... :-[ :-* ;D
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Gaad job alian,, ;D
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Yeah I know that lol, I just think some of the names are flawed, some of them don't make sense, and some of them are wrong.
I agree. Regarding the new names for tricks, at first a couple years ago when people started naming 'new' tricks I just rolled my eyes at the kids that thought they were coming up with new stuff when none of it was new and most could be easily described with combos of existing tricks. But having made a trick race map, I find it's very handy having names for those interesting combos. If I'd had to describe all the tricks that could be broken into smaller tricks, I'd have run out of room in a lot of places, and I'm sure people would be far more confused trying to decypher them than looking up some single named trick. I did try to include a couple of alternate names for old tricks that got renamed, but really I figure it's the most popular and well-known name that counts, not the oldest.
As far as some of the inconsistent names and naming schemes in the map go it's mostly because I was too lazy when making the map and just figured I'd let the replay I'd make of the map sort things out. By the time I made the first trickrace map I'd forgotten most of the old school names of any of the tricks that existed, and a lot of things were named by asking whoever I was testing the map with at the time.
From what originated as a "Mexi" and an "Arch" a mexi is when you throw yourself like this way over an entire island in a roper, and an arch is when you do it over a small part of this island, so I don't see where you get all these Mexi's that are actually Arches.
I don't know if I actually followed this rule or not ('cause I might've just copy/pasted arch or mexi depending on what was closest :D), but I like to say arch flies higher than it does long, and mexi flies longer than it does high.
"Swing to Spike" This is a cool move actually, but why call it swing to spike, and not an entirely different name? Like a dragon is just a "swing" then a shadow but isn't called a swing to shadow...
I like it too, if anyone wants to name it go ahead. I've already had to name more than I'd like just trying to describe things for these maps.
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You make a really good point when you say it's handy to have those names for this Trick Race, I totally agree with you mate, sorry I never looked at it from this point of view but yeah you are right.
It's a really nice map mate, honestly, good job, and you have done an outstanding job being a MOD and taking care of this Challenge :)
And the people settings the records are just incredible to be able to do so many of these moves consecutively.
I am indefinately impressed :)
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Ye swing to spike is a trick that is commonly used but it doesn't have it's name... That's maybe because it loose it's powa when spike is made by inertion of long swings so only short ones have point...
Btw In this map it's nice that you can connect that trick with next one(outlaw to swing I think) into one relatively big combo :)
I noticed even on more places that kind of "connectivity" and that is probably the thing that keeps me trying this map!
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gawd, i'm trying so often to beat my time, but just failing ! :'(
f4st, what's with 25 min time ? :-X :D
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I've been with the fuked flu these days, no energy to try it.
Will start to try tomorrow, but 25 it's so hard, it needs 1st map in 9 mins, 2nd in 9 mins and 3rd in 7 mins with the fuked hard Nova xD.
But 26 will be done ;)
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I still can't do first part in less then 12 minutes... 2nd I do usually in 9 and less but I always stuck at tricks in 3rd part... fly to fly at beginning, swoosh to dragon/arch, lg arch... NOVAAA! :(
Damn this is so much fun! :D
My exam is tomorrow so I am back into serious competition soon again!
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/me failed :(
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me 2 xD.
Did around 10 attempts and missed all.
At one attempt did 1st map in 8 mins, 2nd in 9, but failed at last map.
Alien da nub won, congrats :)
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thank you f4st, i was yesterday like you at fly to fly in the third map by 18 minutes, but then failed ! >:(
i just gave up, cause i was too tired...wish this challenge goes longer. :'(
thank you also fluffy, this challenge was really nice and cost me many nerves ! :D
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Ye was awesome challenge...we expect more trick race maps from you, and hope for a challenges on them ;)
I never succeeded to go first part in less then 12 minutes... I don't know how you guys can do that! Other parts I do pretty good I think... :\
EDIT: btw alien... nice signature... gonna steal it from you :)
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Congrats to Alien and thanks to everyone who participated in this challenge. There were some truly impressive records set here, and even just finishing the map is a feat in itself, so great job to everyone.
Before I make the changes, is everyone OK with me listing their names on the map for beating it? And is Alien OK with me linking to it as an example replay?
If I do make any more trickrace maps, it won't be for quite a while. Though I might have a handful of ideas left over I didn't use if anyone wants to make a collaboration map.
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Ahh... I have trick race in plan too that I will do with fire lord when we both finish our current projects, but if you don't start your map 'till then we can join our forces and make something really epic :)
btw you can put my name on the map :)
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sure i am ok with it
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hey :)
know my record isn't very well, but for me - a newbie - it was very hard work and it makes me happy to post it here :D
btw, are u still working on a 25mins run?
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i would keep trying to make a 25 minutes run, but since the challenge has expired, i have lost my interests ! :D
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Damn it to hell I missed the challenge haha! I had a 42 in some random effort in November but never saw the challenge :(
I agree with Rodent that the first map in under 12 (in 8?!) is insane consistency (there's always one trick that messes you up) but I think the main thing that I do wrong as well as Rodent (in the replays I've seen) is that (with all the respect) we f@#! around too much. It is a m a z i n g how quicker you go when not only yous string tricks together but you are fast from one trick to the next or between tries of the same trick.
One message to Fluffy: Why cant we see (at least I cant, it brings up an error) the replayes from F4st and Allien? Only Rodent's play for me. Is it to do with the version of WA?
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Uhhh maybe they played with wormkit on?
Anyway indeed... I admit! I f@#! around too much! :P
But how can you rope longer then 10 mins if you don't f@#! around? :D
It becomes boring and monotonous for me :)
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if you look in the log's of my uploaded replays...how many rounds it took before i could make the times, you would know how that is possible.
because when i failed often at the start section (or better first map), i just started again and again...
of course it's a matter of extremely patience, concentration, strong will and a ''bit'' luck too !
sorry i don't know why you can't watch the replays. i have played with wormkit on, but used of course the challenge scheme without rubberworm commands.
ah and fluffy...i want to have the edited map, when i can count on it ?
np, take your time... :D
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Ye fluffy we need more challenges like this :D
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Wanted to seriously try this challenge for a while now
1rst try on map: early fail
2nd : early fail
3rd : 30mins
4th : 26'10" :)
Still very unrefined though...
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i knew that this day will come, good job ! :)
i will watch it later and maybe i will try to beat you anywhen... ;p
+1* deset
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i knew that this day will come, good job ! :)
i will watch it later and maybe i will try to beat you anywhen... ;p
+1* deset
Thanks man, biggest nuisance is the first map, its the longest and the easiest to mess up imo. 1rst was 10:21 if i remember, 2nd map from first trick to end I did like 6:20+ which is respectable (going from map1 to the 2nd took me 30s -.- ), 3rd map was slow, 8mins+ cant remember now.
target: 1rst map 9mins and 3rd 7mins. 2nd is ok
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i want statik to play this map, would be nice to see which time he could make. :D :-*
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why is everyone doing Double Kick/Double Spike at the Extended Kick/Extended Spike part? ;x
but n time nontheless, I never had the patience to finish (playing 27 minutes would be ok, but apparently Im not a trick race player xd) :D
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why is everyone doing Double Kick/Double Spike at the Extended Kick/Extended Spike part?
Because its same things.
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hm, I thought this should be done: [attachment=1]
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in replay you did elevated kick to elevated spike ;d
You can watch, fluffy doing this trick as all other there
https://www.tus-wa.com/files/file-46/
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i want statik to play this map, would be nice to see which time he could make. :D :-*
In trick racing it doesnt matter how good you are, if you dont invest enough time to practise most difficult tricks and do whole maps efficiently you can never do a competitive time and I know Stat would agree he would never touch this challenge, lets face it, its for sick ppl ^^
PS: yeh, in his maps, Fluffy means extended="more than one" :) (unless its the trick's name i.e. extended mexi)
PS2: I've been offline for 3 days and I've been smitten to death XD, everybody loves me haha
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ok, i have analyized your run and i must admit that was vvvn :-\ ;)
you have made 3 little mistakes.
chute trick up wall - didn't touched red wall
swing to touchdown to gap - didn't touched purple wall
and you have not finished your run with the white flag
but okay..., still better than my time. :D
i felt my nervousity again, which i had at my runs, as i watched your replay and i will definitely play this challenge again ! :-*
and people, stop to smiting this nice guy, he has not earned it !
give me a smite instead, i don't care of these ''without reason'' smites anyway ! ;p
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Well:
-chute trick doesnt have to start from red area, the trick is to fall on wall and use chute to release rope again (fluffy does it like me as well :)
-the swing to touchdown is off by a pixel and we've always allowed that
-all trick race challenges we've done so far we've agreed to stop timer on the frame where rope attaches to last trick :)
Now I'm very strict with myself and I can barely get past map1 ^^
Thanks for your nice words :)
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First 2 things ye... but Bulky and me brought that rule to finish race with touching last line.
Here, time was still counted by the length of replay... afair.
One more thing... if you make me to play this one again... I won't start making new maps soon! :D
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Well, fair is fair:
if you guys think my replay shouldnt count cause of those 2 things (chute trick and swing-etc) then we must tell MI to delete it :'(
but I'm 100% sure that my chute trick should count since the trick doesn't involve the first rope grab but the fall-on-wall-chute-and-release-rope part.
I'll accept my swing-touchdown was pixel-off though :(
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your replay counts and even with these 3 little mistakes is your run better than mine, like i said before !
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One more thing... if you make me to play this one again... I won't start making new maps soon! :D
heh, you sir, have Alenic2 to do still :D
You too Alien, I think you'd enjoy that map, its short but with tough (compared to most maps) tricks.
Remember: trick racing doesn't stop when the challenges' timer runs out ;D
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i will just concentrate on this challenge and then we can talk about other trick race map, but first i must get my keyboard and skillz back. :D
btw, who approved your run deset, if fluffy didn't do it ?
after all he is the challenge owner. :-[
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i will just concentrate on this challenge and then we can talk about other trick race map, but first i must get my keyboard and skillz back. :D
btw, who approved your run deset, if fluffy didn't do it ?
after all he is the challenge owner. :-[
well, anyone who can host a trick race can do it. In this case, since I had watched it and (since I mentioned my reasons for validating it) I did it. Still not convinced about it? :S
I said why chute trick is valid and why the end is also valid so the pixel-off (easy) trick is the only thing which could've cost like 5-6 secs to re-do.
Anyways, I'll try find Fluffy and get his opinion on this. Also, I'll start working on a better run to make it pixel-perfect
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i will find it better, if the challenge owner approve it, cause he always did it...
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i will find it better, if the challenge owner approve it, cause he always did it...
I pm'd him to check it and check the particular points
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don't get me wrong...even with all these three mistakes is your time better than mine...i just want that all goes the right way.
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don't get me wrong...even with all these three mistakes is your time better than mine...i just want that all goes the right way.
I dont know dude, you still see "mistakes" when:
even Rodent said 1)we stopped all challenges on frame where the rope attaches on last trick so its not a mistake, and
2)chute trick is what you do on wall so stopping isnt necessary since Fluffy does the same (=not a mistake) and
3) the one pixel I was off in such an easy trick we always allowed it in whole map trick races, this whole run was 26 mins long and I barely missed an easy trick (=5+secs loss) so
I told Fluffy to check and thats the end
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Bulky and me brought that rule to finish race with touching last line.
Here, time was still counted by the length of replay... afair.
is my english really so bad ?
maybe i have understood rodent wrong, then sry !
but the end isn't here, cause my replay will follow.
lovely greetings to you deset :-*
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Yeh, he kinda said it weirdly -.-
Who cares now, I'm working on a new run and do things as politically correct as possible ;)
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okay then let us re-awaken this challenge, target is still a 25 minutes run ! :)
edit : f4st, you're welcome too and all others of course ! ;)
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okay then let us re-awaken this challenge, target is still a 25 minutes run ! :)
Just did a 27' with a 9' flat map1 :( messed up in the 2nd..eh...Btw, should we agree that finish is frame of grab of the last double swing?
I say it cause its very accurate so all comparisons will be correct and easy
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i want that fluffy decides, but he's never online since this challenge has expired !
i would say to keep the challenge rules as it was like...
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So when do you stop timer when flag appears?
I say dont be so stiff with this particular thing, it helps since its more accurate and the difference from old times is like 2-3seconds in a run of 30minutes...not that important really. what do you say?
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i just think that this challenge starts with these rules, so i think we should keep playing with these rules.
at least this challenge, wasn't my idea...ask fluffy why he made this rules in his challenge.
the time stands in the log of your replay, if you have used the white flag.
extract the log of my replay and you will see my time (27.41).
at all other challenges this ''new rule'' is okay.
this is my opinion and that is all i can say to this.
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doesn't matter anyway, when we all make a better run and new time now...so let's keep this white flag rule in this challenge.
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doesn't matter anyway, when we all make a better run and new time now...so let's keep this white flag rule in this challenge.
aha, with the log, didnt even think about it :-X
kk, flag it is.
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yes and now you know what i meant...peace bro :)
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Appreciated it :) take it easy
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Well, I decided to play a bit again and here's another 26' (last rope grab at 26.15, and then surrender)
in case the first one is not widely accepted as correct or whatever (see comments above) :)
Still huge improvement is possible but with 25mins of play time for a successful run (+god knows how many other failed ones that can happen before) the stars must align to achieve a ~24min run that's the pretty much the humanly possible
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25' 53" submission was a mistake, I finished last trick on 25'16 as shown on the last record-submission
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yo ppl, I see that the Challenge has closed, but I still decided to make the replay, I did it for 23.09 at the time, I think .. what could be better, but I did not have so much time :)
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Sorry Amour, xspeeded replays arent welcome here
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not bad :D
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Да не ссы имп, меня не волнуют значки и ярлычки, я для фана триканул)))
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wow, impressive
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Sorry Amour, languages other than english arent welcome here
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Sorry Amour, languages other than english arent welcome here
Hah, restore some order here Impo ^^
Sorry Amour, xspeeded replays arent welcome here
Phew, I didnt check the replay but now I can relax, wouldnt wanna have to replay this challenge :P
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Been looking at your replay, but you seem to have a completely different idea of what constitutes a pump/kick than what I have (or Fluffy, when I look at his replay)
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Been looking at your replay, but you seem to have a completely different idea of what constitutes a pump/kick than what I have (or Fluffy, when I look at his replay)
yeah it's the lame way of doing it, it saves time and is safer. it's still a pump, it's just slower. i want to improve this time, though, so if it get's deleted i'll make a faster run with "nice pumps" :)
edit: if you look at the pump arches (fluffy 1 one of the last tricks) of most of if not all the other replays you'll see the lame pump being executed, though it's possible to do it "the real way".
First of all, gj.
I haven't watched at your replay since my pc is busted and waiting for a new laptop, but:
since you're trying to beat the top time you should really make an effort for max pumps and decent kicks, I dont remember my replay but I never posted stuff with safe pumps at least. Some tricks (dreamers, drive-in's etc) can be made kinda slow since they are complicated, but the whole idea of "pump" is lost if you simply "tap the wall twice and fly".
I'm expecting my pc tomorrow and be sure I'll be back on this challenge to defend my record ;)
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You're doing the same thing again with kicks and I saw a swoosh that was hardly a swoosh as well. I'll let Dulek have a look to see what he thinks. Nice pumps early on, though.
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Everything looks ok for me, it's a normal practice to do safe moves. Some people used to call it "gay", but it's like calling 4s nades in bng "cheap" :)
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You're doing the same thing again with kicks and I saw a swoosh that was hardly a swoosh as well. I'll let Dulek have a look to see what he thinks. Nice pumps early on, though.
I don't think I'm willing to check a 23~ min long replay. :D
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22:29.14 would be your official time, but I asked Dulek to look at specific points in the replay :) If he doesn't want to, I'll look for someone else. The rest looks fine to me.
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Why do you ask Dulek anyway? The trickstar is only one ;D
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I checked the bits and well, though tricks were executed poorly, they still were correct and I'd approve the record myself. It's like Dub claiming the only true warming style is being Usain Bolt of rope and doing repetitive tricks. ;) Anyway, I checked Dese's replay and he's got sloppy parts as well in his record.
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It's like Dub claiming the only true warming style is being Usain Bolt of rope and doing repetitive tricks. ;)
Lmao stumbled upon this!
There is no such thing as an easy kick or an easy pump. There are no safe or unsafe or poorly executed kicks and pumps. The fact is that there are only kicks and pumps. Either properly or improperly executed. Though I through up in my mouth many times as I struggled to watch some replays I didn't see many kicks or pumps.
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We can distinguish safe, unsafe or poorly exetuced tricks. Making them at top speed guarantees a higher risk of failing it while recuding the speed increases its accomplishment. Simple as that for me. Kick will be a kick (or any other trick) whether it's done fast or slowly. It's up to you only, Dub, if you don't approve the other way.
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There is no such thing as a slow kick . . . . That isn't a kick!
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And definition of every trick is '... and remember to do it as fast as possible!'? Nope, spike will be defined as 'swing on rope and bounce off the ceiling to go vertically down'. If you want to do it at top speed, go ahead, but any execution other than that will still be a spike.
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But surely, you wouldn't call this a triple kick even though I hit the roof 3 times?
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I like your discussion, I tried to answer similar questions long time ago, but then gave up, because no1 was really interested... For example, spike can be done with different speed and angles (not vertically straight) and it will be called spike anyway. Same with kick. Kick is just a wall/roof touch, you kick your worm and it flies... And it's probably the simplest trick... What about other 100+ tricks? ;D
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I like your discussion, I tried to answer similar questions long time ago, but then gave up, because no1 was really interested... For example, spike can be done with different speed and angles (not vertically straight) and it will be called spike anyway. Same with kick. Kick is just a wall/roof touch, you kick your worm and it flies... And it's probably the simplest trick... What about other 100+ tricks? ;D
No, it's not. You are describing a change in direction. That is not a trick nor a kick. Where are you getting your information from? A kick is performed by holding both the up and right or left arrow key until the the worm hits the ceiling and you press space. That is the trick and only that is a kick.
First turn is a kick. Second turn is not.
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I wouldn't call it a triple kick DarkOne, you're right. People will always have different level of tolerance in such cases. It's a very thin line here and for this case I'm also taking into account map's length and that other players have done similarly. For that principle we would have to delete every record not meeting subjective requirements if so.
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A kick is performed by holding both the up and right or left arrow key until the the worm hits the ceiling and you press space. That is the trick and only that is a kick.
Same with spike? I wouldn't like to discuss tricks here especially with you dub, nothing personal I love you and you know xD
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why nonentity and desetroyah did on second fluffy map "kick fly" instead of "fly"?