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One-Boards => Challenges => Topic started by: Ray on August 23, 2010, 08:39 AM
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Hey guys!
I created this topic so we can share some ideas and maybe make the Challenges more active or better. Two things come into my mind:
1. Is one week enough time or should we try to double it?
2. How about the maps? The way I put the map is that I get a random number between 1 and the maximum of TUS maps and I insert that number to the ID field. If it's not RR, I keep trying until I get an RR map. Do you think we might want to have a poll or something?
Thanks, Ray!
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1. One week is in my opinion enough. Although I'm leaving today and I can't participate this week but hey, I'm alright with this. :p
2. Hm, I'd like to see some more tricky maps like barman's or hakkfin's. Your technique is pretty random and some people might like that but most maps were very simple and linear so far. And also I don't know if voting would be a good solution here. Maybe just try to mix the styles? :)
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I think the main point why not more players approach the challenges is that most don't have the courage to report their times if they are 10 seconds slower than the record is. I don't think more tricky maps would help there... it's just that people should report their records even if it's slow, there's no shame being 10 seconds slower than a Mablak e.g. :)
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I think the main point why not more players approach the challenges is that most don't have the courage to report their times if they are 10 seconds slower than the record is. I don't think more tricky maps would help there... it's just that people should report their records even if it's slow, there's no shame being 10 seconds slower than a Mablak e.g. :)
Yes, Ray wants to make RR Challenges more active but also BETTER. :) And these are my ideas.
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at least i havent uploaded my times cuz them r too slow but today im gonna do it;p
And yea u should just put different kind of maps. 2 linear weeks and then 1 tricky or something imo
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I never uploaded my times because they were not good enough either. chakkman has a point. :P
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IMO there shouldn't be any medals for individual maps, just a little mention.
There should be seasons, for example 1 season is 12 challanges, and after that the winners of season. So then I see the sense of keeping points for activity, you can still report your time, but you won't get any extra points for expired challanges.
And there still can be overall rating too ;)
what do you think about my idea?
Anyway in a month I'm starting to study, so I guess I will not have much time for playing, we will see ;)
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How about offering a points incentive for people to post their times even if they're not as strong as the top 5?
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or make 3 'leagues' for 5 ppl each, and best one goes to the higher league, the worst falls down to antecedent one :P (so there would must be seasons)
It would be nice idea for me, but I care it could be really inactive too ;S
EDIT: well, I add my times only if I beat at least 1 person, so there could be limit of seconds which you have to do, to get on the list, for example Nail map - 50 sec, classic emin map - 60 sec, maybe it helps? ppl see that they have beaten anything at least! xd
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How about offering a points incentive for people to post their times even if they're not as strong as the top 5?
We already do that, people get points for just reporting already. :)or make 3 'leagues' for 5 ppl each, and best one goes to the higher league, the worst falls down to antecedent one :P (so there would must be seasons)
It would be nice idea for me, but I care it could be really inactive too ;S
EDIT: well, I add my times only if I beat at least 1 person, so there could be limit of seconds which you have to do, to get on the list, for example Nail map - 50 sec, classic emin map - 60 sec, maybe it helps? ppl see that they have beaten anything at least! xd
I don't see how that system would work here. Although seasons... that might be a worth to give a thought after all this.
There is an easy solution for people not having the courage to upload because it's slow - I will hide the replays.
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There is an easy solution for people not having the courage to upload because it's slow - I will hide the replays.
You mean hide replays and records?? Be sure I will not add my replay anymore then, as I add records only if I have beaten anyone...
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Or maybe hide the times for the first 4 days and then reveal them for the last 2 days. That could be fun!
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I am not sure if that is possible, Cue. ;o Maciej, the replays stay hidden for as long as the actual week lasts, then you can see who the fastest was. If you see your time wasn't good enough, you can try again anytime later.
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well I still don't like this way, I always play as long untill I beat somebody
but don't hear me, look out what the others want
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How about only showing the times to people who have sent in a replay that got validated? :)
That way people who have submitted replays know which times to beat, while not scaring off people who haven't submitted anything yet
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I like that idea, DarkOne! Although that one needs modification by MonkeyIsland, it's not available with the current system. ;<
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That's a pretty good idea, you'd get at least a few more people attempting the challenges. I think it should be kept weekly as well, or else people will grow disinterested seeing the same times up there for too long.
But yeah I'd recommend just choosing maps on your own judgment, varying the width and style. I imagine sometimes you can get some pretty useless or annoying maps if you choose at random, like ones with way too many of those alternating up and down pole parts. But are you only choosing from the maps that show up in the RR Map pack section?
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It would be cool to have a similar system to Football, for example.
Premier league
1st Division
2nd Division
Setup some sort of average TTRR map to see who gets what division, for example, 15 players enter, the best 5 times go to the Premier, the last 5 the 2nd division and the 5 in the middle go to the 1st division, people in the 2nd division that come in the top 2 get moved up, same with the 1st division, and people in the Premier that come last 2, get moved down to the 1st division, and last 2 in 1st division get moved to the 3rd division, seeing as you all get points for your position in the challenges this will decide the standings in each Division...
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It would be cool to have a similar system to Football, for example.
Premier league
1st Division
2nd Division
Setup some sort of average TTRR map to see who gets what division, for example, 15 players enter, the best 5 times go to the Premier, the last 5 the 2nd division and the 5 in the middle go to the 1st division, people in the 2nd division that come in the top 2 get moved up, same with the 1st division, and people in the Premier that come last 2, get moved down to the 1st division, and last 2 in 1st division get moved to the 3rd division, seeing as you all get points for your position in the challenges this will decide the standings in each Division...
No way Komo!! Absolutely not.
Have you seen how shit England do in the football!?
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This isn't football though, but the concept would be pretty nice, don't you think?
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It would be cool to have a similar system to Football, for example.
Premier league
1st Division
2nd Division
Setup some sort of average TTRR map to see who gets what division, for example, 15 players enter, the best 5 times go to the Premier, the last 5 the 2nd division and the 5 in the middle go to the 1st division, people in the 2nd division that come in the top 2 get moved up, same with the 1st division, and people in the Premier that come last 2, get moved down to the 1st division, and last 2 in 1st division get moved to the 3rd division, seeing as you all get points for your position in the challenges this will decide the standings in each Division...
it was my idea...
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This isn't football though, but the concept would be pretty nice, don't you think?
Yeah, that was an attempt at humour following England's World Cup failure.
The idea is good yeah. I like it although it may be hard to set up and administer.
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Lol Maciej, I didn't even see the post where you said that idea, but now I do lol, great minds think alike :D
Mine was slightly more specific than yours though :P
It was an example with 5 players though, I can't believe we both said 5 players in each lol.
An ideal way for me would be 4, with an added 3rd Division, and let's say 6 players in each one.
And sorry Cue I totally didn't get that, because I was in the middle of an arguement with my ex... Wasn't paying much attention lol, now that you say it like that, :D haha
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And sorry Cue I totally didn't get that, because I was in the middle of an arguement with my ex..
You? Argue?
Never!!!
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I try not to, honest ! haha
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Is it easier to argue with wormers or former girlfriends?
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Girls, hands down lol
At least when I argue with people on Wnet, I still respect them after lol
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Definitely girls.
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Oh, and you aren't a TRUE WA player, until you get into an arguement with someone :)
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Oh, and you aren't a TRUE WA player, until you get into an arguement with someone :)
haaah, so how can you call me then? xd
btw, what about those challange leagues and seasons, gonna be interesting... ;>
we can open the signs for it, and make 3 leagues (or more if it's needed), and then just kick inactive ppl, and in their places put new players, who would like to take a part (but make it after a season ofc)
smth like it is in hattrick.org if anybody knows this site
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It would be cool to have a similar system to Football, for example.
Premier league
1st Division
2nd Division
Setup some sort of average TTRR map to see who gets what division, for example, 15 players enter, the best 5 times go to the Premier, the last 5 the 2nd division and the 5 in the middle go to the 1st division, people in the 2nd division that come in the top 2 get moved up, same with the 1st division, and people in the Premier that come last 2, get moved down to the 1st division, and last 2 in 1st division get moved to the 3rd division, seeing as you all get points for your position in the challenges this will decide the standings in each Division...
it was my idea...
Actually, it was my idea, in the Hungarian Worms League we play in different divisions for like a year and a half already... So credits for me, KKTHXBYE!!! :)
The problem with this system (even in a much closer community like we are, I mean the Hungarian wormers) is the activity. Although it is a slight difference that in our league, everyone has to play with everyone in his division and that opens up the possibility of games not getting done.
Three things, one is that if for instance if the system works in a way that 1 player goes down to the lower division at the end of the week, what if two players don't make any time at all in that week? Who falls out?
Secondly, what if someone randomly decides to participate? Does a 4th division automatically open just for one player? What if then they don't play, then we have a 4th division with inactive players showing no time?
And finally, why I think it is pointless, if someone in the first division does a better time than anyone else in the first division, then why doesn't he win?
We cannot compare individual players to football teams, not to mention that we cannot rate them according to what time they do on one single map in a week!
So I'm sorry, but I am absolutely against this idea. :(
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Three things, one is that if for instance if the system works in a way that 1 player goes down to the lower division at the end of the week, what if two players don't make any time at all in that week? Who falls out?
Secondly, what if someone randomly decides to participate? Does a 4th division automatically open just for one player? What if then they don't play, then we have a 4th division with inactive players showing no time?
so, if some player doesn't play he gets kicked (at the end of the season) and we get free place - for the player who wanna join! He is gonna be on a substitute list! I think it could work, inactive players get kicked, and in their places go new players who'd like to join! What do you think about it?
And finally, why I think it is pointless, if someone in the first division does a better time than anyone else in the first division, then why doesn't he win?
but.. He wins! They are gonna be seasons, for example 12 weeks = 12 challanges for each season, for each map he gets points and the best player gets distinction in his profile! same works our worms league.
so I don't see the problem, and I really like this idea! Do you see any other problem Ray? I can help :D
Monkeyyyy, and what do you think about it? It's everything in your hands ^^
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Actually, it was my idea, in the Hungarian Worms League we play in different divisions for like a year and a half already... So credits for me, KKTHXBYE!!! :)
cl2k... So credits for Poo, KKTHXBYE!!! :)
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Three things, one is that if for instance if the system works in a way that 1 player goes down to the lower division at the end of the week, what if two players don't make any time at all in that week? Who falls out?
If a player doesn't play, they get dropped a division.
Secondly, what if someone randomly decides to participate? Does a 4th division automatically open just for one player? What if then they don't play, then we have a 4th division with inactive players showing no time?
Players will not be allowed to randomly participate, signups will be like cups, open for so long, then when expires, only those players are in for the month, and maybe each month 2-4 new players can join in, who would start off at the bottom division.
And finally, why I think it is pointless, if someone in the first division does a better time than anyone else in the first division, then why doesn't he win?
We cannot compare individual players to football teams, not to mention that we cannot rate them according to what time they do on one single map in a week!
If someone in the 1st division does a better time than everyone else in the 1st division, then he will win the 1st division lol, I am guessing you mean why wouldn't he win the premiership? And if so, the reason he doesn't is because, he isn't in the premiership, you have to make your way there to compete there, just like proper leagues that work like this, some in worst division can have awesome games, doesn't mean they belong in the top yet... If you are good enough you will stay in the premiership, so it works out :)
It's not like football, for starters it's not football, it's WA-TTRR, and why can't we rate them according to what time they do in 1 week? They have 1 whole week, to do there best time, you do realise this means they have literally up to 16 hours a day (possibly), 7 days a week, to get their best time? I think this is pretty fair...
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I didn't read this topic, maybe some1 already complained, but comments' pager doesn't work :( When I push page "2" I'm still at first page.
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Thanks Statik, got it fixed.
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Oh, how many times I came across with that, but I was always too lazy to post in forum and could never find MI online on MSN when it was in my mind. x)