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Title: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Quai on June 06, 2021, 04:21 PM
Danger will play with me? but he is kamikaze selfhead :)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Danger135 on June 06, 2021, 10:39 PM
What the hell going about here?! :o
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 07, 2021, 09:14 AM
What the hell going about here?! :o

Join the adventure Seńor Danger, Join and feel the blood of your partner flow in your veins  :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Quai on June 07, 2021, 05:43 PM
Who will play with Kartofan? Danger135 you could! Sign up now! No danger no mole!
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 08, 2021, 10:40 AM
Whoever joins Kaptowka's team will be the last person to join the cup. We are closing it, once we have 6 full pairs.

Not sure why the Cup rewards are so blurry on TUS website in my browser. Just in case, here they are in their original size:

(https://i.postimg.cc/s2JYJM9q/medals2.png)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Shibz on June 09, 2021, 05:27 PM
hi girls!
maby +1?
 
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 09, 2021, 08:04 PM
hi girls!
maby +1?

Only if Sharks agrees to be replaced. Without him agreeing, we stay like this until next Mole 2vs2 Cup (which will be in July 2021)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Shibz on June 10, 2021, 03:08 PM
hi girls!
maby +1?

Only if Sharks agrees to be replaced. Without him agreeing, we stay like this until next Mole 2vs2 Cup (which will be in July 2021)
OK
NP
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Quai on June 10, 2021, 05:56 PM
soon i will quitt! this 'active' cup and you can play with bean! 2 days from start not 1 game played!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/o2mY5SvzgNwM8/source.gif)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on June 10, 2021, 06:33 PM
sibasa & run are doing first matches with Echiko and me at the weekends : ] you guys should go ahead as well, and message your opponents and plan your matches.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 10, 2021, 08:42 PM
soon i will quitt! this 'active' cup and you can play with bean! 2 days from start not 1 game played!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/o2mY5SvzgNwM8/source.gif)

We are playing tomorrow (Danie, Me, Mazi, Liav) at 5pm GMT (7pm Spain time), if you want to play too just be there too, around that time.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Quai on June 10, 2021, 09:50 PM
9 PM thats 21h for me and 22 for bean... ok will show our asses!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/GTQFIhjum4iFa/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Quai on June 10, 2021, 10:01 PM
GMT? thats not CET. 21 GMT is 22 CET time! thats TOO LATE damn it! why so late. ,., .,.,
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Godmax on June 11, 2021, 07:34 AM
Here we go
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: mrbean on June 11, 2021, 09:43 AM
9 PM thats 21h for me and 22 for bean... ok will show our asses!


He said 7 pm spain time, thats 8 pm my time. But i wont be able to stay past 10 pm.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Quai on June 11, 2021, 10:44 AM
prepare your panties
(https://media.giphy.com/media/h4qioxIgrdUNK01Ewg/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 11, 2021, 12:41 PM
prepare your panties
(https://media.giphy.com/media/h4qioxIgrdUNK01Ewg/giphy.gif)

We will play at 19:00 for Slovenia time, Sir Quai  8) I'm sorry, I was supposed to say 5pm GMT, my bad :-[

EDIT: We will actually be ready even at 18:30 Slovenia time (4:30pm GMT). Liav and Mazinger can be later so we can fight with you and MrBean first.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 12, 2021, 11:42 AM
It looks like Kaptowka is not active. New Pair -> Shibz and Shark (Requin). Congrats Shibz!

Kaptowka can always join us next month  8) Active players are our priority
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Godmax on June 12, 2021, 12:17 PM
Good management SO FAR. Exemplary.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: SIBASA on June 13, 2021, 01:55 AM
I don't know if this is correct, but there is a function in the cup scheme that saves the weapon from the previous round. We noticed this already during the game, but none of us suggested making a rehost, so everyone agrees.

Also, the rules of the cup do not indicate the required number of worms in each team. The description of the circuit itself says if it's 2vs2 then 3 worms each player, but if you look at the games from the owner of the cup, then everyone plays 2 worms in a team. Where is the truth?

In the description of the cup, in principle, there are no rules, except for the bo3 format. Thus, you can use as many worms as you want, use non-standard maps, and the like?)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on June 13, 2021, 02:43 AM
the fact that you are carrying the weapons from the previous match up to the next one, is indeed really stupid, I think.. ???
but everything else is fine, like girders being on power 3 (less distance)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Godmax on June 13, 2021, 10:00 AM
Zorro (Banderas?!) will learn from his mistakes and improve future endeavors.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Requin on June 13, 2021, 11:26 AM
the fact that you are carrying the weapons from the previous match up to the next one, is indeed really stupid, I think.. ???
I don't like this, it violates the independence of each round ...can choose sheme the last tournament sheme !tusscheme 964 - she is verified  8)


Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on June 13, 2021, 11:38 AM
well it doesn't matter now, everyone has already started playing their matches like this, so we gotta stick to the chosen scheme ^^ next time try to organize it better :P
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Requin on June 13, 2021, 11:52 AM
well it doesn't matter now, everyone has already started playing their matches like this, so we gotta stick to the chosen scheme ^^ next time try to organize it better :P
there are standard classical rules and there is nothing to invent and change ... this is Zorro's mistake - let him fix it

PS If football matches in each country had their own rules it would look funny and crazy  :D

Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 13, 2021, 12:35 PM
CUP 2vs2 DESCRIPTION IS UPDATED NOW.

I'm rushing to explain:

- 2 WORMS ONLY IN EACH TEAM (I watched matches from all 6 last mole 2vs2 cups and everybody there had 2 worms only, I thought you would know  :(  :(  there was not a single one with 3 worms that I saw...
- Weapons are not meant to stay with you after a round since by default It's Bo1!!! (unless you have a draw but it's super rare).

DON'T MODIFY THE SCHEME TO MAKE IT BO3, just play your 1-round BO1 match, go back to Main Menu of the Host, and Play again. Weapons won't go further to the next round.

I understand that it's not nice if somebody will start the match twice in a row by doing it this way, but such things are inevitable at times, sometimes we lose electricity.

Thank you for your feedback, I will modify the scheme so that weapons stay and nobody starts 2x in a row. I will implement it in July 2021 edition of our 2022 Cup :)


SIBASA + RUN, I AM SORRY BUT YOUR SCORE IS 1:0. YOU HAVEN'T WON THE MATCH YET.

YOU STARTED ROUND 2 WITH 2x CLUSTERS, 3x GRANADES, 1x HOLY, 1x BASEBALL BAT AT THE BEGINNING !!! while in both rounds your enemies had almost NOTHING. Not cool cool! ROUND 3 was almost the same... YOU MODIFIED SCHEME THAT WAS MEANT FOR BO1, AND TRANSFERED YOUR WEAPONS ILLEGALLY. NEXT TIME PLEASE GO BACK TO HOST MENU AND START YOUR NEXT ROUND IN BO1 MODE. REMEMBER, YOUR MOD STILL LOVES YOU REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE  :-*  :-*

Please meet again to win 2nd Round!
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: TheKomodo on June 13, 2021, 12:56 PM

I will implement it in July 2021 edition of our 2022 Cup :)


So why did you guys call this 2022 when it's still 2021 anyway? I'm curious lol.

Great activity though, nice to see Cups being played with good effort.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 13, 2021, 01:04 PM

I will implement it in July 2021 edition of our 2022 Cup :)


So why did you guys call this 2022 when it's still 2021 anyway? I'm curious lol.

Great activity though, nice to see Cups being played with good effort.

It's for marketing purposes  8) thank you Sir!
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on June 13, 2021, 03:21 PM
So Zorro, are you going to report this to one of the tus moderators, that Run and Sibasa's 2 victories are void, and deleted?

https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/game-227479

^ Cuz here, on Sibasa's report regarding to the cup, they beat us to 2-1. :D
So far we are 1-0 ing them with Echiko. and Echiko and me will redo the last matches with them until bo3.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Danger135 on June 13, 2021, 05:22 PM
The best way is restart CUP from begin.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Godmax on June 13, 2021, 05:34 PM
That wont erase Quais mistakes we got it on camera
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: SIBASA on June 13, 2021, 05:54 PM
Why should we replay because of a cup moderator's mistake? Before we started this game, no rules were described, except that this is bo3.

Your statement "I thought you would know" is incorrect in relation to the players of the cup, with the same success you can devalue any games by introducing the rules after the game.

p.s. I'm ready to play again, don't worry.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 13, 2021, 05:59 PM
Why should we replay because of a cup moderator's mistake?

Nobody told you to modify the scheme. Nobody.

Besides, you really saw nothing wrong with starting a new round with 2x clusters and Holy? You really saw nothing wrong?
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: SIBASA on June 13, 2021, 06:10 PM
Why should we replay because of a cup moderator's mistake?

Nobody told you to modify the scheme. Nobody.

Besides, you really saw nothing wrong with starting a new round with 2x clusters and Holy? You really saw nothing wrong?

We played according to the declared scheme indicated in the cup - it initially has all the characteristics and modifications, and there was no question of turning them off. Naturally, all the participants in the game were surprised, because this is not typical for a mole, but we did not argue with this and play further, since we knew that we were playing according to the correct scheme provided by you.

Your reproaches as to whether this did not embarrass us are again not correct, since it was you who did not take care of in advance and did not describe the detailed rules. Why should the cup players think for you?
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on June 13, 2021, 06:33 PM
lol Sibasa is just goddamn disappointed now that their victories were void :D I'd be pissed off as well a bit in his place :P
no worries Siba, you can do it again :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 13, 2021, 11:35 PM
We played according to the declared scheme indicated in the cup - it initially has all the characteristics and modifications

One characteristics is that it's Bo1, NOT Bo3. Somebody changed it and I get accusations for the host's custom settings.

EDIT: Oh... Just now I see that the host was Lupastic. Then I don't understand, Sibasa, why do you vouch that you played the proper scheme if you weren't even the host. Please don't point fingers at your Mod next time, if it's your opponent, who is responsible for transferring your weapons.

EDIT 2: I consulted the whole situation with Danie and he says:
"Maybe you can manage this way.... Is not fair for Lupastic to lose the next rounds because of weapons that Run kept, but It's also not fair for Run to waste all his effort just to play again and with 1:0 against him. So the best decision is playing again bo3 without keeping weapons"

Meaning that the score is 0:0. We can't just ignore 2 rounds in a row being won by Sibasa&Run, and let others keep their 0:1, who triggered Weapons Transfer. Go fight till 2:0 or 2:1 but with ORIGINAL Bo1 settings and from 0:0!

well it doesn't matter now, everyone has already started playing their matches like this, so we gotta stick to the chosen scheme ^^ next time try to organize it better :P

Wrong. Nobody has played their matches, by modifying Bo1 to Bo3 like you did, Lupastic. So yes, please stick to the chosen scheme like you said. Don't change it.

Have a good day everyone,
Your loving Mods
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on June 14, 2021, 01:44 AM
EDIT: Oh... Just now I see that the host was Lupastic. Then I don't understand, Sibasa, why do you vouch that you played the proper scheme if you weren't even the host. Please don't point fingers at your Mod next time, if it's your opponent, who is responsible for transferring your weapons.

EDIT 2: I consulted the whole situation with Danie and he says:
"Maybe you can manage this way.... Is not fair for Lupastic to lose the next rounds because of weapons that Run kept, but It's also not fair for Run to waste all his effort just to play again and with 1:0 against him. So the best decision is playing again bo3 without keeping weapons"

Meaning that the score is 0:0. We can't just ignore 2 rounds in a row being won by Sibasa&Run, and let others keep their 0:1, who triggered Weapons Transfer. Go fight till 2:0 or 2:1 but with ORIGINAL Bo1 settings and from 0:0!

well it doesn't matter now, everyone has already started playing their matches like this, so we gotta stick to the chosen scheme ^^ next time try to organize it better :P

Wrong. Nobody has played their matches, by modifying Bo1 to Bo3 like you did, Lupastic. So yes, please stick to the chosen scheme like you said. Don't change it.

Have a good day everyone,
Your loving Mods


HOWEVER, you still forget about one thing dear mod :P

"Mole Championships 2vs2 - 2022

All games - Bo3
Final Game - Bo5
2 worms per each partner (4 worms in each team)

DOUBLE ELIMINATION  8)"


This is what the description of your cup told. I hosted bo3, because the fokkin description of the cup says it..  :o ??? (and that was BEFORE we found out all the bad stuff with carrying the weapons and etc..)

"Wrong. Nobody has played their matches, by modifying Bo1 to Bo3 like you did, Lupastic. So yes, please stick to the chosen scheme like you said. Don't change it." ... ----> what you said here  ??? ???
so yeah this is just getting more and more ridicolous now :D Thought we might quit this, and Echiko and me will join the next mole cup, when it's properly organized, and everything is clear from the start, and the rules and the bio of the cup will not be changing day by day :-X
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 14, 2021, 02:20 AM
Thought we might quit this, and Echiko and me will join the next mole cup, when it's properly organized, and everything is clear from the start, and the rules and the bio of the cup will not be changing day by day :-X

You have 1 scheme to load and you leave it after loading. That's all. That's not rocket science. You play Bo3 without touching the scheme. The ONLY reason this 13 year old scheme is set to Bo1 is because that is the ONLY way for weapons to disappear. (at least as far as I know, I haven't found a better way). You should have realised you messed up, once the 2nd round started. You cannot blame others for your custom settings.

Imagine that after loading I change my Hysteria scheme to "Automatic Teleport", and I go blame admins that their Cup is not well prepared because I can't put my worms where I want. When I am confronted I say "what... You didn't tell me I can't modify, instructions were not clear!"

The scheme that you are loading is 13 years old. Nobody ever changed Bo1 to Bo3 because it's just a foolish idea. It's obvious to everybody that weapons might go to the next rounds, by doing it. I understand that you are new to Moles, and you assumed they wouldn't transfer, but please Sir, be a man and at least don't blame others for your actions. I am not even requiring you to admit your mistake like you want to do with me. All I want is for people to chill, and appreciate the possibility of having good fun here. I am here to provide you guys as good service as I can and explain anything unclear.

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Thought we might quit this, and Echiko and me will join the next mole cup, when it's properly organized, and everything is clear from the start, and the rules and the bio of the cup will not be changing day by day :-X

Bio of the cup changing day by day? Uno momento... where? Today it's literally the very 1st Update that I have ever done to the rules' description. Maybe I should also include that the cup is designed for real players, not for difficult people, looking for things to complain about and threatening to leave, yes I regret not saying it there...
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: TheKomodo on June 14, 2021, 05:12 AM
I am not a moderator of Cups, only Challenges and Tournaments, i've had a few players here message me asking if I can make official decisions however i'm sorry I cannot.

If I could step in and offer a friendly outside perspective and suggestion though.

Both sides here have very valid points, yet at the same time neither side wants to admit wrongdoing, that's quite natural don't worry about it.

You all love this game right? You all love being part of the community yeah? My guess is you guys play because you have passion for the scheme, it's not just about winning, you love this game.

You guys are all very active and setting a great example to the rest of the community for your activity. That's great!

A mistake was made, it's quite innocent, it's an unfortunate example of the language barrier we face playing players all over the world. Rather than fight, we can work together and create a solution.

Rather than fail to admit defeat in an argument, why not forget about that for a moment and remember that you love this game. Agree to fix the scheme or agree to play how the Cup Moderator wishes it to be played and start over for the games with complaints. It's not going to kill you, and showing each other respect will only help to grow your community.

We're a small community, do each other a favour, and you can enjoy another set of matches with worthy opponents!

Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Godmax on June 14, 2021, 07:42 AM
Beautifully said. With passion and a caring heart. Now lets restart this amateur match.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: SIBASA on June 14, 2021, 09:29 AM
lol Sibasa is just goddamn disappointed now that their victories were void :D I'd be pissed off as well a bit in his place :P
no worries Siba, you can do it again :-*
Dude, I don't mind playing again, I'm ready :) I am outraged by the incorrect organization of the cup and the incorrect attitude of its owner towards the players.

Zorrox, your mistake was that you indicated the only rule of the cup - this is bo3, the talk about bo1 began after we had already played, so there is no need to blame others for your mistakes ..

On account of the fact that Lupastic was the host, but I am dissatisfied - this is normal, because Lupastic followed the specified rules of the cup in the same way and I checked the scheme after of play.

All this discussion would not have been here if everything had been described in detail initially, because this is a private cup, which can have any rules that differ from the provided scheme.


Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 14, 2021, 10:02 AM
Sibasa, I am not scheme mechanic. I have used this scheme for 1 year now and I never had any problems. Danie said yesterday
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Never in life, a cup mole match continue with same weapons in any situation So Sibasa and run must understand that
It's common knowledge. If I wanted the weapons to stay, I assure you I wouldn't give you a scheme with default setting to Bo1  ::) That wouldn't make any sense, especially if nothing about weapons staying is even mentioned. This is the most basic level of deduction for you, guys.
the fact that you are carrying the weapons from the previous match up to the next one, is indeed really stupid. Next time try to organize it better :P
Go to your mama when you touch an oven, and go blame her for not stopping you from getting burnt ???  I am not telling you that you are stupid to do so, but you are stupid to blame me if you did what you did.

I don't mind Lupastic saying in his very 1st message "wait, should the scheme be changed to bo3 when playing? I guess I already did that  ??? " or realising in Round 2 "Damn, I see now why the scheme itself was Bo1". Instead of washing his hands and very conviniently hiding the fact, the entire day, that he put some changes to the scheme. Then again very coveniently agreeing with the need to repeat games until he realised that not only his 2 losses would be gone, but also his 1:0 lead *sigh* nice cowardice

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there is no need to blame others for your mistakes
Please give me the quote where I blame him. You have very serious problems with reading with comprehension. All I said was that mods can't be blamed for not predicting everything, like altering the scheme. You don't want weapons transfering over? then simply leave the scheme like it is, the way you downloaded it. If you modify Hosting Buddy scheme, I assure you it will also transfer the weapons, and I never saw people modify that, let alone act surprised and pretentious.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: SIBASA on June 14, 2021, 10:42 AM
Zorrox, instead of properly resolving this issue, you, on the contrary, are doing worse, reproaching the players for breaking the rules that you did not talk about initially. And your expressions "They must understand that" and "I thought you would know" confirms your incompetence, and the rest of the unacceptable expressions that sounded in this thread in relation to me and Lupastika show a bad attitude towards the cup players.

Your bad behavior led to Lupastik and Echiko getting out of the cup, even with the teaching that I was willing to play the game again. In this regard, I make a decision to also withdraw from the cup. Bye-bye   ;)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 14, 2021, 10:46 AM
In this regard, I make a decision to also withdraw from the cup. Bye-bye   ;)

Bye bye snowlake
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Quai on June 14, 2021, 01:39 PM
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Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Requin on June 14, 2021, 02:32 PM
I am outraged by the incorrect organization of the cup and the incorrect attitude of its owner towards the players.

you are indignant when it is profitable for you, and you are not indignant when it is not profitable for you, as we saw perfectly well in the previous championship 

https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-1064/msg278922/#msg278922 (https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-1064/msg278922/#msg278922)   8)

when the administrator of the championship counted your victories with your clan companion, who, besides you, didn't play with other players on purpose   ;)

All this discussion would not have been here if everything had been described in detail initially, because this is a private cup, which can have any rules that differ from the provided scheme.
All this discussion would not be here if  8) ... after the first game you stopped and clarified the rules, because the transfer of weapons from round to round looks very suspicious   :o

   PS In the 21st century, there are many ways to contact the administrator and get an answer in a day, it is a pity that you do not know about this   :D
 
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: SIBASA on June 14, 2021, 03:25 PM
I am outraged by the incorrect organization of the cup and the incorrect attitude of its owner towards the players.

you are indignant when it is profitable for you, and you are not indignant when it is not profitable for you, as we saw perfectly well in the previous championship 

https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-1064/msg278922/#msg278922 (https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-1064/msg278922/#msg278922)   8)

when the administrator of the championship counted your victories with your clan companion, who, besides you, didn't play with other players on purpose   ;)

All this discussion would not have been here if everything had been described in detail initially, because this is a private cup, which can have any rules that differ from the provided scheme.
All this discussion would not be here if  8) ... after the first game you stopped and clarified the rules, because the transfer of weapons from round to round looks very suspicious   :o

   PS In the 21st century, there are many ways to contact the administrator and get an answer in a day, it is a pity that you do not know about this   :D

In this cup, there was no benefit at all. As you can see, I won this game and wrote about it myself and was ready to play again. The essence of the discussion was the poor organization of the cup, which eventually led to the out of Lupastic and me.
As for the previous cup, I have no complaints about it, unlike you, who builds conspiracy theories, haha.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on June 14, 2021, 04:04 PM
Shark, as a frequent quitter-leaver you are (in public matches, at AG), I would remain silent about this matter :3 like "sportsmanship" and stuff like that ;)
You are just as much of a leaver, as Zorro is a butt-hurt gurl, who spreads lies and twisting the facts, when it's clear that he himself couldn't even make up his own mind about this "cup" and the rules, and he had everyone to blaim, when all you gotta do is just to read back the cup description and the comments here :D ;D

next up, we need better and smarter organization, that's all, np. :P it's fine by me, we still had fun playing with Siba and Run, and the matches were exciting, it was good for practise, but this whole thing is not working out on a long term anyway ;)

I hope I'll meet and play against the other players as well in the future in a next Cup games or anything. ^^
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 14, 2021, 04:47 PM
As you can see, I won this game and wrote about it myself and was ready to play again.

Why should we replay because of a cup moderator's mistake?

Yeah suree.... If you could take a free win, you would do it. We all already saw you doing it, spamming Clusters all over the place after Round 2 barely started. Same goes with Lupastic. As soon as he heard that I would give both teams equal chances with 0:0, he also starts quitting and crying like a little girl that cup rules apparently change "day by day", deflecting that he has been the only one hosting the game this way. You could have been respectful and cooperating, but you chose to be pretentious and to look down on the organiser. Please go away and don't come back. You are already replaced.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on June 14, 2021, 04:58 PM
Oh! I didn't realise there was a whole debate going on. I've just caught up on the thread.

I'm kinda disappointed I got removed from the cup but if Sibasa wanted to leave then that's understandable, since we were on the same team. Nevertheless if another dropout happens and you need a replacement, I'm happy to jump back in :)

I suppose we should probably have questioned the scheme as soon as we noticed the weapons were carried over. That just seemed silly for a moleshopper, but I assumed it was deliberate. Trouble is, you can't pause the game, or save it, and then go and check... so as soon as round 2 started we kinda had to carry on and assume it was correct. To be honest I kinda have to give Lupastic credit for carrying on - he must have known we had a huge weapon advantage and if I were in his position I think I would have kicked up a stink!

I see a lot of blame is being thrown around but I don't think it's really that big a deal. It makes sense to me that Lupastic changed the scheme setting to bo3, but he should have checked the stockpiling option beforehand (and then asked the host to clarify). But also, Zorro should have uploaded a scheme with no stockpiling, and used that for the cup. It's fine, it's not a big deal, there doesn't need to be a fight over who's to blame.

For what it's worth I would have been happy to play from 1:0, that seems the fairest way to proceed (since that first round was 'legit').

Anyway give me a shout if another space comes available (or if another moleshop cup happens!)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 14, 2021, 05:05 PM
I see a lot of blame is being thrown around but I don't think it's really that big a deal. It makes sense to me that Lupastic changed the scheme setting to bo3, but he should have checked the stockpiling option beforehand (and then asked the host to clarify). But also, Zorro should have uploaded a scheme with no stockpiling, and used that for the cup. It's fine, it's not a big deal, there doesn't need to be a fight over who's to blame.

That's an example of maturity! Compare this comment to:

"the fact that you are carrying the weapons (...) is indeed really stupid"
"next time try to organize it better"
"Why should we replay because of a cup moderator's mistake"
"it was you who did not take care of in advance"
"this is just getting more and more ridicolous now :D Thought we might quit this"
"Echiko and me will join the next mole cup, when it's properly organized"
"rules and the bio of the cup (...) changing day by day"

Up to that moment I still attempted to be respectful towards the authors of this, but enough is enough, and after the last quote I realised I can't deal with this sort of people.

Thank you Run. Welcome to Kaptowka's team.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Danger135 on June 14, 2021, 06:40 PM
The ONLY reason this 13 year old scheme is set to Bo1 is because that is the ONLY way for weapons to disappear. (at least as far as I know, I haven't found a better way).
STOCKPILING. In scheme options, disable stockpiling (then save scheme and upload). Thats all, then no weapons goes to next round, even if click Play next round.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 14, 2021, 06:52 PM
The ONLY reason this 13 year old scheme is set to Bo1 is because that is the ONLY way for weapons to disappear. (at least as far as I know, I haven't found a better way).
STOCKPILING. In scheme options, disable stockpiling (then save scheme and upload). Thats all, then no weapons goes to next round, even if click Play next round.

Thank you señor, I was asking a couple of people last week how to change it but nobody knew. I will upload new scheme somewhere this evening.

edit:
The Cup scheme is updated on the cup page! <3 enjoyyy
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-4000/
when hosted with Hosting Buddy type "!tusscheme 4000"
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: liav on June 18, 2021, 08:22 PM
Give PEACE a chance.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on June 22, 2021, 01:03 PM
I've been struggling to get in touch with KartoFan. He didn't reply to my PM on this site and I'm not sure what his Discord ID is. :/
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on June 22, 2021, 01:43 PM
I can take place of someone inactive.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Godmax on June 22, 2021, 02:54 PM
Inactivity vs. disconnectlegend, what is better. Zorrobear may choose
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on June 22, 2021, 03:30 PM
I can take place of someone inactive.

yo Adnan, you could also take the place of an inactive player in the Selecsteria cup :D we have many inactives there sadly..and Sibasa will look for some replacements soon.. you could come ^^
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mustachio on June 22, 2021, 04:16 PM
I'm also up to cover for someone inactive.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on June 22, 2021, 04:40 PM
Inactivity vs. disconnectlegend, what is better. Zorrobear may choose

Disconnect legend is no more. I've threatened the ISP providers that I'll keep complaining and their pays will be decreased if my internet is not fixed. Disconnect chance is very low now. :D

yo Adnan, you could also take the place of an inactive player in the Selecsteria cup as well :D we have many inactives there sadly..and Sibasa will look for some replacements soon.. you could come ^^

Ok, will do.  :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on June 22, 2021, 05:57 PM
I'm also up to cover for someone inactive.

Me and MarCello (same Rain clan) can be a couple if you need a replacement.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on June 23, 2021, 03:11 AM
Okay, new squads

Marcello + Echiko
Mega`Adnan + Run (Shark said that Run tried to contact them, which is good!)
Shark(Requin) + mzkah, probably the most active pair of this season, who at the same time didn't play any match so far. I am sure this will change now :)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on June 23, 2021, 07:03 AM
Okay, new squads

Marcello + Echiko
Mega`Adnan + Run (Shark said that Run tried to contact them, which is good!)
Shark(Requin) + mzkah, probably the most active pair of this season, who at the same time didn't play any match so far. I am sure this will change now :)

Thank you!

Edit: I am injuried to the foot so I may not be always visible on snooper, feel free to contact me on discord too, I have it on many devices.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Danger135 on July 05, 2021, 10:30 AM
Group 1 still no games? And CUP is still not finished?!  ;D
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: TheKomodo on July 25, 2021, 02:06 PM
This Cup is quite recent and has seen activity within the past month and i've seen a lot of the players active in the community so I don't see the need to get involved yet.

I'll offer this suggestion though:

The Cup moderators can PM all the group 1 players and set a deadline however long they see fit. If no games are played by group one, you can progress liav / TnL`MazingerZ & ZorroX / dani and play for Gold / Silver medals.

If no action is taken by the end of August i'll step in and pretty much do the above suggestion.

Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on July 27, 2021, 11:43 AM
Lets play guys.
I am active from 15 GMT till 19 GMT, if try my best, almost upto 21 GMT. (My timezone is GMT+5 and I usually sleep around 12 or 1 AM because I feel asleep during these hours.)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on July 29, 2021, 05:26 PM
Sweet. I can also play at that time :)

edit: good news! mzkah and Requin can also apparently play tonight :)

edit2: also, MarCello and Echiko can play at 21:30 GMT tomorrow (Friday) night :D
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on July 30, 2021, 12:40 PM
I am sorry guys, I don't have anymore the mood and the will to keep with this cup and with wormnet in general.

Good luck everyone,
Echiko

Sweet. I can also play at that time :)

edit: good news! mzkah and Requin can also apparently play tonight :)

edit2: also, MarCello and Echiko can play at 21:30 GMT tomorrow (Friday) night :D
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on July 30, 2021, 02:40 PM
I am sorry guys, I don't have anymore the mood and the will to keep with this cup and with wormnet in general.

Good luck everyone,
Echiko




Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: TheKomodo on July 30, 2021, 03:02 PM
Thanks for the update Echiko.

So Run/Mega`Adnan and mzkah/Requin will play to see who gets #1 and #2 spots, although they both proceed anyway.

We're all up to date, good luck If you guys want to have the Final streamed on my Twitch i'd be happy to do so although i'm not overly familiar with the scheme I pick thing up pretty easy.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on August 28, 2021, 06:18 PM
What happened here. Did I get paired with VITOS-SVOBODA?

Seems every time i look at this cup I have a new partner lol
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on August 29, 2021, 05:34 AM
Damn ZorroX/danie hates me. :(
Atleast put me in place of Echiko, I kept messaging Run and others. Don't say I'm just lazy ass and don't care. :'(
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on August 29, 2021, 07:13 AM
Lol Adnan, for me ??? no problem if you want to take my place

Damn ZorroX/danie hates me. :(
Atleast put me in place of Echiko, I kept messaging Run and others. Don't say I'm just lazy ass and don't care. :'(
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on August 29, 2021, 07:29 AM
Sorry double post by accident, dunno how to delete
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on August 29, 2021, 08:51 AM
Lol Adnan, for me ??? no problem if you want to take my place


Yeah, that's what I was saying. You don't want to play this cup, so I take your place and help rUNaW4y.
I kept messaging Run to tell other two opponents (mzkah and Requien) to play cup game. They didn't respond and guess what? I got replaced. And the inactive ones got to KOs. :D
ZorroX and danie didn't even give me warning message, just straight up replaced me with someone else.
This is real ghetto!

Sorry double post by accident, dunno how to delete

Ask MonkeyIsland, or just ignore it.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on August 29, 2021, 08:55 AM
Lol Adnan, for me ??? no problem if you want to take my place


Yeah, that's what I was saying. You don't want to play this cup, so I take your place and help rUNaW4y.
I kept messaging Run to tell other two opponents (mzkah and Requien) to play cup game. They didn't respond and guess what? I got replaced. And the inactive ones got to KOs. :D
ZorroX and danie didn't even give me warning message, just straight up replaced me with someone else.
This is real ghetto!

Sorry double post by accident, dunno how to delete

Ask MonkeyIsland, or just ignore it.

Well I think you are referring to that post I left in this topic. Well, after some weeks ago, ZorroX led me taking the match anyway, I was always connected and the others weren't. My partner MarCello disappeared then I asked runaway to be my partner, so we managed to have a match. This is like, two or three weeks ago, don't remember.

My bad that I didn't write another message or modify that one to let people know I am still active.
But if you want you can take my place.

Honestly I saw among my pending games we should have played, then I pressed "recount" and you were substituted.
Maybe it does not depend on ZorroX but maybe on sort of inactivity, dunno how this works for real!
However, write the admins and ask if you can replace me, maybe my partner can have some wins  :P :P
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: TheKomodo on August 29, 2021, 11:01 AM
I kept messaging Run to tell other two opponents (mzkah and Requien) to play cup game. They didn't respond and guess what? I got replaced. And the inactive ones got to KOs. :D

Do you have evidence of those messages you sent? When it comes to organizing matches for Cups it's in your favour to always write in the Cup thread that you are actively trying to organize your matches. This is why I keep saying on ONL Discord for guys to post on the thread what times they can play, because if the Cup reaches a deadline and games have not been played, those who made the effort will be given the technical win.

ZorroX and danie didn't even give me warning message, just straight up replaced me with someone else.

As I said earlier, this Cup and the moderators were still somewhat active so I will not get involved, it's only when a Cup has been completely inactive for 1-2 months that i'll step in and give technicals wins or whatever.

However, there is this:

Lets play guys.
I am active from 15 GMT till 19 GMT, if try my best, almost upto 21 GMT. (My timezone is GMT+5 and I usually sleep around 12 or 1 AM because I feel asleep during these hours.)

Then this:

Sweet. I can also play at that time :)

edit: good news! mzkah and Requin can also apparently play tonight :)

edit2: also, MarCello and Echiko can play at 21:30 GMT tomorrow (Friday) night :D

Both Mega`Adnan and Run have shown the effort that they are willing to play, if anyone should be given a technical win, it's them. Not sure why Mega`Adnan was replaced though, did Run even consent to having his partner replaced?

What happened here. Did I get paired with VITOS-SVOBODA?

Seems every time i look at this cup I have a new partner lol

It seems like this was done against his will.

I'd like ZorroX/danie to give a reason why you were replaced, we need to know why before we can do anything about it, they may have a valid reason.

I'll give them a week to respond to this request then i'll see what MonkeyIsland says about it.



Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on August 29, 2021, 12:54 PM
What happened here. Did I get paired with VITOS-SVOBODA?

Seems every time i look at this cup I have a new partner lol

Due to Adnan's 2-months absence on #AnythingGoes, you were informed about the change of your partner on August 24, and you were willing to find Vitos online. Did I talk to some other Run on discord (attachment)? Adnan was assigned to you on June 23, with whom you played not a single match for 2 months.

It seems like you visit this cup once per a few months then. Maybe it's a good idea to get more interested. As far as I see, your 4 enemies are in stand-by mode on snooper every day. Maybe not all 4 at the same time, but every day at least 1 pair of your opponents can be found.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on August 29, 2021, 12:57 PM
Okay, new squads

Marcello + Echiko
Mega`Adnan + Run (Shark said that Run tried to contact them, which is good!)
Shark(Requin) + mzkah, probably the most active pair of this season, who at the same time didn't play any match so far. I am sure this will change now :)


That's what I announced on June 23.

Adnan had 2 months and 1 day to play his match with Run. During this period Run and Adnan played zero matches. I did not see Adnan online at all. Vitos wanted to only join Run, not Adnan. I asked Vitos if he would want to play with Run, he agreed. I informed Run about the change on Discord, which he acknowleded. I can find Vitos and Shark online even now, as we talk here (attachment). Why would I not make a change if I never see Adnan on #AG?

I should have probably sent a warning, but Adnan, I don't see you anywhere on #AG. It felt to me that you are only acting like you want to play. I am sorry if I misinterpreted you there but again. I can't find you ever online, none of your enemies can. Would you like to still play along with Run? I just need to know if I can rely on you finally being online.

Komito, spare me your posts. I am not gonna read them anyway.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on August 29, 2021, 01:09 PM
Lets play guys.
I am active from 15 GMT till 19 GMT, if try my best, almost upto 21 GMT. (My timezone is GMT+5 and I usually sleep around 12 or 1 AM because I feel asleep during these hours.)

Shark and Mzkah, Echiko and Runaway are on #AnythingGoes every single evening, 6 hours per day, the entire summer. None of them reported ever seeing you there, Adnan. In my view, it's no use messaging people here in the cup page, that nobody reads, if they are all waiting for you every evening on #AnythingGoes, and you are nowhere to be found. If you were there, you could just message them and host the game.

ZorroX and danie didn't even give me warning message, just straight up replaced me with someone else.
This is real ghetto!

It might come as a shock to you Adnan, but in Mycy's cup people who are never found on #AnythingGoes for more than 1 month are also kicked out. The participants that were kicked for that reason were:
1. Kaptowka
2. Pawelddz55
3. Leftir
4. Ty3

You could just message me in a private message to ask what is happening but you chose to make drama in the post. Maybe just try to approach people on TUS more directly, rather than through some forum posts that hardly anyone reads?
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: TheKomodo on August 29, 2021, 02:18 PM
Komito, you are no mod to me. I won't read your posts.

I sent you(and 3 others) a PM to read my previous post. I'm just helping you guys keep things moving.

Thanks for your cooperation though, your swift action is appreciated.  :)

You can sort things out with each other from here.

You could just message me in a private message to ask what is happening but you chose to make drama in the post. Maybe just try to approach people on TUS more directly, rather than through some forum posts that almost nobody reads?

This is the official page for this Cup, this is the first port of call where everyone should be organizing their matches, they can leave their contact details and times of availability. Of course they are free to organize their matches in any other way, though this page is literally the home page for your Cup, so everyone can see what is going on here and should be checking in regularly if they are participating.

If a player has an issue they can raise it in this exact page, that's exactly what they done.

However, their replies were 1 month after your last message, though you didn't respond to those for 1 month too. Your last post on this Cup thread was over 2 months ago.

The problem is people aren't checking here regularly enough and communicating with each other. So i'm just here to give a little help, send out PMs, update people on what's going on. The rest is up to them.  :)

Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on August 29, 2021, 02:26 PM
This week I had been a bit away because of family/health problems (still recovering today, I am getting too old 😅) but I will become more active again in some days.

But Adnan, if you want to take my place, feel free to ask me and to inform the admins, no problem!
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on August 29, 2021, 02:30 PM
The problem is people aren't checking here regularly enough and comminucating with each other. So i'm just here to give a little help, send out PMs, update people on what's going on. The rest is up to them.  :)

This I agree with except... what good is there in saying "I am free in these hours". If it takes 2nd person to propose their time, 3rd person to propose another time, 4rd person to propose their time and at the end  somebody will probably cancel cuz something will pop up. Also you need to assume that somehow all people will be reading the post. The way we fought Mazinger and Liav, Quai and MrBean in the cup, in the first days, it was a simple:

#AG
"Yo, guys, are you free for a game now?
"1 sec we are finishing one match, we can play in 5 min"
"okay, I go call danie, be ready guys"

That method is just practical, effective and straight to the point. I did the same dialogue with Shark and Mzkah when I found them online at the same time as Echiko and Runaway.

I would maybe understand if one participant was from Latin America, One from Europe, and one from Australia (like Pizza bro, who played back in 2015). But Echiko, Runaway, Adnan and Run are all within 2 hours of timezone differences. Same goes with Adnan, Run, Shark and Mzkah. It's also 2 hours of difference among everybody  ??? So if my team easily got together despite being with 1 leg in Mexico, Spain, Israel and Poland, then I am really surprised to see that guys within 2 hours of timezone just won't randomly bump into their 2 pairs of opponents, considering the opponents are online 6-8 hours per day.

Echiko, it's not like I can replace somebody who has already been active, and who has fulfilled their duty by playing their 1 match. All good. We can always reach the consensus.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on August 29, 2021, 02:42 PM
Due to Adnan's 2-months absence on #AnythingGoes, you were informed about the change of your partner on August 24, and you were willing to find Vitos online. Did I talk to some other Run on discord (attachment)? Adnan was assigned to you on June 23, with whom you played not a single match for 2 months.

Ah apologies, I forgot about that message. I guess I didn't recognise the full name (VITOS-SVOBODA) so thought it was someone completely new lol.

Anyway yeah, Adnan and I were occasionally messaging each other on discord; he was giving me his availability and then I was asking the other team for their availability. But it was getting very tricky to co-ordinate a time for all 4 people and it just wasn't working out. Adnan was also dealing with the heatwave (TUS-WA, #cup-chat, 19 July) which was limiting his availability somewhat. And I have a full-time job so I can't sit around in #ag all day like I used to as a teenager :D

Do you have Vitos' discord? I'll co-ordinate with him there.



Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on August 29, 2021, 02:46 PM
Adnan is back in your team. Just message your opponents once you find them on #AG :)

- Echiko & Runaway
- Shark & Mzkah

I apologise to you Adnan. I was mistaken to think you don't care. You don't need to be online all the time on #AG, just please poke your opponents once you see them. I am afraid you won't find them here, since they spend most of their free time on their sparring and training to get better.

New deadline = December 31, 2021
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on August 29, 2021, 07:22 PM
Do you have evidence of those messages you sent? When it comes to organizing matches for Cups it's in your favour to always write in the Cup thread that you are actively trying to organize your matches. This is why I keep saying on ONL Discord for guys to post on the thread what times they can play, because if the Cup reaches a deadline and games have not been played, those who made the effort will be given the technical win.

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Sometimes he said he'll send a PM to them in TUS.

Adnan is back in your team. Just message your opponents once you find them on #AG :)

- Echiko & Runaway
- Shark & Mzkah

I apologise to you Adnan. I was mistaken to think you don't care. You don't need to be online all the time on #AG, just please poke your opponents once you see them. I am afraid you won't find them here, since they spend most of their free time on their sparring and training to get better.

New deadline = December 31, 2021

It's okay. I'm glad you gave me another chance. I'll try my best to find them in #AG. :)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on August 29, 2021, 07:33 PM
So I will keep playing with runaway?
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on August 29, 2021, 07:37 PM
So I will keep playing with runaway?

Yes.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on August 29, 2021, 07:58 PM
Ok, thank you! ^_^
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on August 29, 2021, 09:56 PM
It's okay. I'm glad you gave me another chance. I'll try my best to find them in #AG. :)

You didn't do anything wrong, Adnan. It was just a casual misunderstanding. Good luck in your games!
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on August 31, 2021, 11:46 AM
Ok so. Let's get these games played.

My availability for the next week is:

31 Aug, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
1 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
2 Sep, 20:00 - 23:00 BST
3 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
4 Sep, 09:00 - 23:00 BST (got nothing planned all saturday)
5 Sep, 20:00 - 23:00 BST
6 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST

And have pinged Adnan. Adnan let me know what your availability is too so we can figure out the overlap, then we'll ask the other teams when they can play :D
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Echiko on August 31, 2021, 12:07 PM
Ok so. Let's get these games played.

My availability for the next week is:

31 Aug, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
1 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
2 Sep, 20:00 - 23:00 BST
3 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
4 Sep, 09:00 - 23:00 BST (got nothing planned all saturday)
5 Sep, 20:00 - 23:00 BST
6 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST

And have pinged Adnan. Adnan let me know what your availability is too so we can figure out the overlap, then we'll ask the other teams when they can play :D

For me: 4 September 9:00 - 12:00  (BST)
             5 September ok
             6 September maybe (?)

I may have some variations because I'm moving again to Central Italy on 3rd September (I will travel from 8 to 17 so that day I would be very busy) and once there I must think a bit about my job this year.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on August 31, 2021, 12:16 PM
Thanks Echiko.

Adnan says he can play tonight at 20:00 BST (19:00 CET, 23:00 PKT) so I'll ping mzkah and Requin (Shark) and see if they can play, then we'll play your team later in the week.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Mega`Adnan on August 31, 2021, 12:17 PM
Ok so. Let's get these games played.

My availability for the next week is:

31 Aug, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
1 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
2 Sep, 20:00 - 23:00 BST
3 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST
4 Sep, 09:00 - 23:00 BST (got nothing planned all saturday)
5 Sep, 20:00 - 23:00 BST
6 Sep, 18:00 - 23:00 BST

And have pinged Adnan. Adnan let me know what your availability is too so we can figure out the overlap, then we'll ask the other teams when they can play :D

Everyday around 17 GMT to 21 GMT (Without lags, interruptions, power outages etc.)
You can Google "17 GMT to CET" or to your standard timezone to check my availability according to your time.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on August 31, 2021, 04:02 PM
Super, we're pretty much online at the same times then :)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 17, 2021, 07:15 PM
I am afraid I have a problem with Mzkah and Shark not responding to my messages. Not the first time too. Does it make sense to pass to the finals a team who has lost 2 out of 2 matches in the group?
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: TheKomodo on September 27, 2021, 01:12 PM
I am afraid I have a problem with Mzkah and Shark not responding to my messages. Not the first time too. Does it make sense to pass to the finals a team who has lost 2 out of 2 matches in the group?

As Cup Moderators, you & danie can set whatever deadlines you wish. By that time, if Team A made effort to organize their match and Team B did not, Team A would be given a technical win and they will proceed further in the Cup.

I see you have not set any deadline, so players may be under the impression that they have as long as they want to play their matches.

If you aren't sure how to do this you can follow the 2 step process.

Step 1:
(https://i.imgur.com/EScOPfr.png)

Step 2:
(https://i.imgur.com/Mxmtrb2.png)

You can send out PMs once every one or two weeks to remind players about their games as well and direct them to this thread to organize their matches.

Good luck to the remaining players, enjoy!
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 27, 2021, 07:19 PM
My post was before I put all the teams in the bracket stage. I asked Danie if I should put Shark + Mzkah forward despite their poor responsiveness and he said that yes. So key solution that I found was that Me + Danie will fight Mzkah and Shark directly. We should make it work if I spam 100x questions per day about when we fight.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on October 05, 2021, 04:55 PM
Does anyone know if liav / MazingerZ has discord?
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on October 06, 2021, 12:59 PM
That's the private message that I sent to Mzkah and Shark. There are 13 days left. If we have no response, we will have to eliminate them (or replace them with Echiko+Runaway, except... they already lost 2 matches).
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on October 07, 2021, 05:16 PM
MIRACLE :D I managed to arrange the time for all 8 players in the Semi Final this Sunday

Zalo + Danie vs Shark + Mzkah (19:00 Moscow/Ukraine time, 18:00 Polish time, 16:00 GMT time, 11:00 Mexico time)
Run + Adnan vs Liav + Mazinger (16:30 GMT time, 17:30 Spain time).

All participants agreed  8) The best method to set time for everybody is to force it on everybody and not waste time asking about preferences  8)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on October 08, 2021, 08:58 AM
All participants agreed  8) The best method to set time for everybody is to force it on everybody and not waste time asking about preferences  8)

Hahaha indeed, it's a good strategy :D I have marked my calendar accordingly.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on October 09, 2021, 11:09 AM
Well, as luck would have it, my wife is going into labour early and there's a very very good chance I'll still be in the hospital at the time of the match, lol. Sorry - can't be helped!

I'm happy to be replaced with someone else if it's easier, otherwise I will (hopefully) be available later in the week. I'm off work for the next 4 weeks so in theory it will be easier to organise (I'll be available during the day)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on October 18, 2021, 12:28 PM
Ok. The game was rescheduled for 16:30 yesterday (Sunday) but sadly it never happened :/ Not sure where mzkah and Requin were (they don't use discord so it's a bit tricky to organise). (ignore that i'm confusing people! i mean Liav and MazingerZ)

No matter though! I have plenty of availability this week and next - I'm not going anywhere :)
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on October 18, 2021, 02:13 PM
This whole thing needs to just finish already.. ;D And let the 1v1 mole cup start.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: danie on October 27, 2021, 04:31 PM
This whole thing needs to just finish already.. ;D And let the 1v1 mole cup start.
I totally agree with you Lupa, I really want the pending games to be played soon, but no matter how hard we have done, we continue to have these problems.
- Poor communication between Run & Adnan, and Liav & Mazinger. Lack of interest to play games
- Shark randomly forgetting that he has a cup to play (can't blame him though), joining different hosts even at the time of all enemies present. Mzkah randomly disappearing for some weeks.

1vs1 Mole cup is waiting and could have been completed by the end of this year, so maybe it's best to close this cup early. Maybe give a week (no more) for the pending games to be played, if not, we'd beter close the cup.
That's my suggestion, let's wait and see what Zalo thinks of all this.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on October 27, 2021, 04:40 PM
mzkah only plays when he's called.. P: otherwise, he's off from WA. I know him, that doesnt help this either.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on October 27, 2021, 05:02 PM
This whole thing needs to just finish already.. ;D And let the 1v1 mole cup start.
I totally agree with you Lupa, I really want the pending games to be played soon, but no matter how hard we have done, we continue to have these problems.
- Poor communication between Run & Adnan, and Liav & Mazinger. Lack of interest to play games
- Shark randomly forgetting that he has a cup to play (can't blame him though), joining different hosts even at the time of all enemies present. Mzkah randomly disappearing for some weeks.

1vs1 Mole cup is waiting and could have been completed by the end of this year, so maybe it's best to close this cup early. Maybe give a week (no more) for the pending games to be played, if not, close with the cup.
That's my suggestion, let's wait and see what Zalo thinks of all this.

I played with Mazinger a lot these days and there is roughly 30% of chances that he will "stay" in bo1 1vs1 match without dropping (reminds me of how things used to be when playing with Adnan). So like.. I don't see how their match would somehow take place, when even arranging the game is so far from happening. It took us 20 messages to get Shark to play his group stage game (I had to host it for 4 people, or he would just join some other game). It took us another 20 messages to get him to play with us and it's just tiring.

Danie said that we should give 7 days deadline. From what I can see none of the participants even visit this page since only Adnan can be found every evening. The rest enters #AG and TUS only 1-2 times a month. It would be literally faster to just start a new cup and finish it before anyone moves their finger over here. I suggest we just close this mess and just open Danie's cup without wasting time.

edit: It was supposed to be a meme that the cup would be up to 2022 (looking at Mycy's last one). I didn't think this would actually need to happen.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on October 28, 2021, 03:37 PM
I'm always around on Discord, i just need to be pinged. I'm in two other cups and have had no problem playing the games for those - because they're organised via discord. Adnan is in Discord too, but since Liav & Mazinger aren't, it's been tricky to get a hold of them  :'(
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Zalo the moler on October 28, 2021, 05:59 PM
Don't worry Run. Maybe the problem is with the idea of playing this scheme 2vs2? In 2018 we had similar one Closed  :'(
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Run on October 28, 2021, 09:46 PM
It certainly does seem to make it a lot more difficult to organise a game! I must admit, my experience of 2v2s so far has put me off joining any more of them - they're just a bit too tricky to organise. Which is a shame because they are fun.
Title: Re: Cup #1120, MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)
Post by: Lupastic on October 28, 2021, 11:08 PM
It certainly does seem to make it a lot more difficult to organise a game! I must admit, my experience of 2v2s so far has put me off joining any more of them - they're just a bit too tricky to organise. Which is a shame because they are fun.

they are a lot of fun indeed, in every scheme it's nice to play 2v2 ;c