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Title: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on July 28, 2021, 12:08 AM
Signups for the 80hp Cup are now open!

About "players cannot refuse to have their game streamed and are not allowed to watch the streaming of the match they are playing"

This is really aimed at the Knockout stage, for the group stage I wouldn't worry so much about it, potentially you could have multiple players playing at the same time, or they simply bump into each other online.

The games that are absolutely crucial to organize and stream though are from the Quarter-Finals onwards, those games must be organized in advance. I'd like to stream as many others as possible during the group stage though nothing bad will happen if you just go ahead and play it, we encourage activity!
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Memox on July 28, 2021, 01:00 PM
Signups for the 80hp Cup are now open!

About "players cannot refuse to have their game streamed and are not allowed to watch the streaming of the match they are playing"

This is really aimed at the Knockout stage, for the group stage I wouldn't worry so much about it, potentially you could have multiple players playing at the same time, or they simply bump into each other online.

The games that are absolutely crucial to organize and stream though are from the Quarter-Finals onwards, those games must be organized in advance. I'd like to stream as many others as possible during the group stage though nothing bad will happen if you just go ahead and play it, we encourage activity!

I'm not very sure about this. I would love to play Dario's scheme and I'm willing to get somewhat brutally annihilated on stream too. I would love to play it just for fun rather than indulging into an obsessive and scupulous analysis of how should I place this dynamite, how should I do that, or even writing down the rotation of the enemy's worms... And all that sort of stuff that just isn't for me. I'm deliberately playing like a noob in that sense, but if hypothetically speaking I could win without having fun, I would rather lose and having fun. So that's my mindset for this. What is really stopping me at this point is the lineup. Those guys are veterans, brutal, and amazing. It's ok for me to lose, even annihilated as I said earlier - but with them? Annihilation is reductive. It will be a merciless bloodbath, an embarassment fully displayed in livestream! I don't know about this. I must think about it. I'll be watching, that much is for sure.

EDIT: It seems there's only a place left. That's not even a question then, I would rather want my place to go to someone like Korydex. That will make it much more fun to watch.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Rafka on July 28, 2021, 01:05 PM
OK, whatever,,, not bad price, so .. I'll try :D
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on July 28, 2021, 03:22 PM
I'm not very sure about this. I would love to play Dario's scheme and I'm willing to get somewhat brutally annihilated on stream too. I would love to play it just for fun rather than indulging into an obsessive and scupulous analysis of how should I place this dynamite, how should I do that, or even writing down the rotation of the enemy's worms... And all that sort of stuff that just isn't for me. I'm deliberately playing like a noob in that sense, but if hypothetically speaking I could win without having fun, I would rather lose and having fun. So that's my mindset for this. What is really stopping me at this point is the lineup. Those guys are veterans, brutal, and amazing. It's ok for me to lose, even annihilated as I said earlier - but with them? Annihilation is reductive. It will be a merciless bloodbath, an embarassment fully displayed in livestream! I don't know about this. I must think about it. I'll be watching, that much is for sure.

EDIT: It seems there's only a place left. That's not even a question then, I would rather want my place to go to someone like Korydex. That will make it much more fun to watch.

You don't need to worry about playing serious.

If you want to play for fun, play for fun! If you want to play serious and try to win the money, go for it!

If you really enjoy something for fun, do it! Eventually you will be a veteran yourself, that's how we all ended up veterans of Worms Armageddon in various schemes.

Also, signups will be kept open for around a week, there is still space left to join. Cups work different from Tournaments remember. We are hoping to have between 16-32 players.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Mega`Adnan on July 28, 2021, 03:54 PM
I'm not very sure about this. I would love to play Dario's scheme and I'm willing to get somewhat brutally annihilated on stream too. I would love to play it just for fun rather than indulging into an obsessive and scupulous analysis of how should I place this dynamite, how should I do that, or even writing down the rotation of the enemy's worms... And all that sort of stuff that just isn't for me. I'm deliberately playing like a noob in that sense, but if hypothetically speaking I could win without having fun, I would rather lose and having fun. So that's my mindset for this. What is really stopping me at this point is the lineup. Those guys are veterans, brutal, and amazing. It's ok for me to lose, even annihilated as I said earlier - but with them? Annihilation is reductive. It will be a merciless bloodbath, an embarassment fully displayed in livestream! I don't know about this. I must think about it. I'll be watching, that much is for sure.

EDIT: It seems there's only a place left. That's not even a question then, I would rather want my place to go to someone like Korydex. That will make it much more fun to watch.

I think there should be guidance for new intermediate players helping them improve the tactics, make them learn how to put dynamite, what to do in case of unfair placements etc.
The guide should be expert players like for example Dario, maybe Korydex, Mablak, chuvash etc.
It's been more than 9 years when I got into Worms, and I still suck at executing tactics or putting dynamite in low gravity mode. It'll be good guidance for newbs like me, and other new players. Maybe these players can improve and become stronger with some guidance and we may get more competition.
Just my thoughts. :)
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on July 28, 2021, 04:18 PM
I think there should be guidance for new intermediate players helping them improve the tactics, make them learn how to put dynamite,

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/820151311?t=02h49m33s

It's been more than 9 years when I got into Worms, and I still suck at executing tactics or putting dynamite in low gravity mode.

Not dynamite, mines, though still useful:

Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: djongador on July 28, 2021, 04:25 PM
More links to help new intermediate players:

Sudden Death mechanics
http://www.normalnonoobs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25233#p25233
Worms guide: A deep description of some weapons
http://www.normalnonoobs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3
Johnmir's introduction to tactics
http://www.normalnonoobs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=90
Youtube playlist with video tutorials

Animal jumping guide by Mablak
https://worms2d.info/Animal_Jumping
Diverse game mechanics
https://worms2d.info/Game_logic
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on July 28, 2021, 05:32 PM
Check out my topic too: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/guide-for-intermediate-players-32974/ (Guide for intermediate players).
I gathered there useful guides and information and made a step by step to progress in intermediate.
Also, who who wants to practice, feel free to invite me on discord Albus#2539.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Memox on July 28, 2021, 06:47 PM
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Thanks. I know and have read all these guides, but I still need some time to put it into practice. Sometimes I pull it off, but it's too unpredictable right now... Someday, someday...!

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I didn't know that, so I have almost a week to think about it. That's enough time. Not enough to grind, but surely enough to come up with a choice. What about the time of the cup anyway? I can't find this information anywhere on the page, perhaps it's just me... Do you still need to come up with that or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Mega`Adnan on July 28, 2021, 06:50 PM
Nice guide videos and information guys!
Watched mine hats just to refresh my experience. Also watched Low Gravity Mine hat too.
 Thanks guys, I feel bit motivated now  :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on July 28, 2021, 07:25 PM
What about the time of the cup anyway? I can't find this information anywhere on the page, perhaps it's just me... Do you still need to come up with that or am I missing something?

I'm not sure if you realize this, though Cups work differently from Tournaments:

Tournaments:

TUS Tournaments are events which have a signups time which lasts usually around 10-30 minutes, then once signups are closed pairings are immediately drawn, players go straight into the Knockout Stage and generally they are all present and active and finish all their games there and then within a matter of hours.

Cups:

Cups are events in which signups can last for anything up to a few weeks or more, once there are enough players the pairings are done and players are organized into Groups. If there are 4 groups, of 4 players, they must all play each other once, the top 2 players from each group are advanced to the Knockout Stage, from there the format is exactly the same as a Tournament although the difference is they organize games in advance just like how CWT/ONL PO works.

With Cups, the moderator will decide a deadline for players to finish their games, once that deadline has been reached the moderator will deal with any Groups or players who have unfinished games as they see fit.

Once the Cup begins, players are responsible for checking who their opponents are and then organizing their own games as efficiently as possible.

Cups usually take anywhere between 2 weeks and several months to finish.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Memox on July 28, 2021, 09:03 PM
What about the time of the cup anyway? I can't find this information anywhere on the page, perhaps it's just me... Do you still need to come up with that or am I missing something?

I'm not sure if you realize this, though Cups work differently from Tournaments:

Tournaments:

TUS Tournaments are events which have a signups time which lasts usually around 10-30 minutes, then once signups are closed pairings are immediately drawn, players go straight into the Knockout Stage and generally they are all present and active and finish all their games there and then within a matter of hours.

Cups:

Cups are events in which signups can last for anything up to a few weeks or more, once there are enough players the pairings are done and players are organized into Groups. If there are 4 groups, of 4 players, they must all play each other once, the top 2 players from each group are advanced to the Knockout Stage, from there the format is exactly the same as a Tournament although the difference is they organize games in advance just like how CWT/ONL PO works.

With Cups, the moderator will decide a deadline for players to finish their games, once that deadline has been reached the moderator will deal with any Groups or players who have unfinished games as they see fit.

Once the Cup begins, players are responsible for checking who their opponents are and then organizing their own games as efficiently as possible.

Cups usually take anywhere between 2 weeks and several months to finish.

I see, so it must be decided after all the users have signed up. I like that, because it negates the issue of different timezones, in a way that everyone can decide the right time for them and act accordingly. That's all I needed to know.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 05, 2021, 06:24 PM
Just need 2 more players! Join up while you still can for this spectacular Cup with all these beautiful people!
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: lacoste on August 05, 2021, 08:34 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 06, 2021, 10:13 AM
:'(

Did you want to join? You can be the first backup incase anyone pulls out or has shown no activity.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 06, 2021, 10:24 AM
DEADLINE FOR GROUP STAGES - 6TH SEPTEMBER 2021, 11PM GMT

There will be zero extensions once the deadline has been reached, those who made the most visible effort to organize their games will be qualified to advance.

No special treatment for anyone, regardless of the reason.



Please be reminded of the special weapon rule - If in one round you use more than one type of special weapon, you lose the round - This is non-negotiable.

While it is not mandatory to have your matches streamed during the group stages, if your opponent wishes to organize their match and have it streamed you cannot refuse. We also appreciate anyone who is willing to organize their matches to be streamed, thank you in advance!



All the best of luck, have fun and enjoy your games!


Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Mustachio on August 06, 2021, 03:47 PM
Time to get destroyed by Dario again lol. I'm online on Snooper as "Snooptachio", DM me there when you're free to play.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 08, 2021, 03:23 PM
For anyone that is interested:

Mablak Vs SIBASA - Tonight at 7pm GMT

This will be streamed on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/komito8220)

Edit:

Reminder - SIBASA is away for 1 week, he will report his match against Mablak when he returns.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 09, 2021, 09:17 AM
PRIZE UPDATE!

Mega`Adnan's winning move against Albus was so impressive that we've decided to add an extra $10 prize(to be paid via PayPal) for the best shot over the duration of the entire Cup.

At the end of the event, all participants can submit 1 turn each, which will be made into a video montage showcasing each move.

A poll will be created and everyone can vote for their favourite shot!

So even if you don't win the Cup, or even reach the Knockout Stage, you can still win a small cash prize and be crowned the best turn of the Cup!
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: SIBASA on August 09, 2021, 01:40 PM
For anyone that is interested:

Mablak Vs SIBASA - Tonight at 7pm GMT

This will be streamed on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/komito8220)

Edit:

Reminder - SIBASA is away for 1 week, he will report his match against Mablak when he returns.

Someone played this stream under my name and even won, which is very strange :)

Next time, it's better to check who is playing with you, for example, by writing to my discord before that.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 09, 2021, 01:54 PM
Someone played this stream under my name and even won, which is very strange :)

Next time, it's better to check who is playing with you, for example, by writing to my discord before that.

Well, things become more and more interesting in this Cup.

So, obviously the game doesn't count, i'm sure Mablak will be relieved although shocked. :o

I am sure there will be some discussion about this, and indeed we will make sure to contact you through Discord in future.

Thank you for confirming.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: SIBASA on August 09, 2021, 02:05 PM
I think it would be harder for me to prove it if this impostor lost under my name.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: zuck on August 09, 2021, 03:43 PM
Sir-J be like:

Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 09, 2021, 04:48 PM
Because of the treatment I received (which I describe here: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/tourneys-cups-reported-game-canceled-due-to-scheme-problem-noticed-later-33426/), I decided to leave this CUP in order not to disrespect the authority of the moderators. But if my absence negatively affect the course of the cup, I can play the necessary games. GL for all participants!
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Dario on August 09, 2021, 04:54 PM
That's a very sad news Albus. I think Coste wanted a spot, it'd be amazing if he can join with his outworldy creativity and guts!

Edit (thanks Albus for pointing this out):
Since Mega'Adnan and Hal would have to play one extra game if Albus gets replaced, you guys should say whether you are ok with having a new player replace Albus. Otherwise that group will just be treated as if it was a 3-players group from the beginning: points won/lost against Albus won't be considered towards the final group score, because Rafka didn't get to play against Albus.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Memox on August 10, 2021, 11:23 AM
For anyone that is interested:

Mablak Vs SIBASA - Tonight at 7pm GMT

This will be streamed on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/komito8220)

Edit:

Reminder - SIBASA is away for 1 week, he will report his match against Mablak when he returns.

Someone played this stream under my name and even won, which is very strange :)

Next time, it's better to check who is playing with you, for example, by writing to my discord before that.

What the f@#!, lmao. Is this a joke? If you're serious, then I'm absolutely curious about who the madman was. It was either a well known pro or even a veteran if they managed to beat Mablak. I wonder who it was though.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 11, 2021, 11:32 AM
All right, guys. I came to the conclusion that it would not be beneficial to do a rematch with Mega'Adnan even if he wanted to, because if he loses it will be frustrating for him, and he doesn't deserve to go through that, as he did, like me, what was determined by the moderators, ie, play again the game.

I apologize for the criticism and for questioning the decision that was made at the tournament if that was disrespectful to the moderator's authority.

However, to continue playing my cup games (something I want) I would like to request the following:

1. Only me or my opponent will host my games. And, because the obligation to select the correct scheme belongs to the host and not to the opponent, if one of us selects the scheme with wrong settings, and if this error is not noticed during the entire game by anyone, including spectators of the game, the victory cannot be void if the winner was not responsible for causing the error, that is, if he was not the host of the game.

2. The fact that I received the news that my victory against Mega'Adnan was nullified, and I would have to play again, frustrated me, affected my psychological and performance in the subsequent game, which, for me, generated an unfair result in the second match. You don't need to believe me (as I'm reporting a subjective fact and I can't prove it and it's not something to be considered in re ipsa), but I want you to recognize the fact that, voiding a player's victory, by an error that nobody noticed during the match, it is a fact that can cause frustration, affect the psychological and performance of that player in the next match. As I said, I don't need you to believe me, but I want you to recognize this consequence as being a possibility and a risk taken in your decision.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 11, 2021, 12:08 PM
The following is entirely my own position for ruling and moderation, i'd appreciate if Dario can provide his position also.

I apologize for the criticism and for questioning the decision that was made at the tournament if that was disrespectful to the moderator's authority.

You don't need to apologize Albus, you did nothing wrong.

However, to continue playing my cup games (something I want) I would like to request the following:

1. Only me or my opponent will host my games. And, because the obligation to select the correct scheme belongs to the host and not to the opponent, if one of us selects the scheme with wrong settings, and if this error is not noticed during the entire game by anyone, including spectators of the game, the victory cannot be void if the winner was not responsible for causing the error, that is, if he was not the host of the game.

It is fine with me about who hosts your games.

The correct scheme must be used, there is absolutely zero tolerance for mistakes, you compete at your own risk.

It doesn't matter who made the mistake, it doesn't matter who won, the correct scheme and only the correct scheme must be used.

It is the obligation of all participants, whether they are the host or not, to make sure they confirm the setup for the match.

You cannot join an official and competitive match, in a professionally treated environment, especially with a prize, and expect to be lenient about something like this.

What you are asking will directly influence and allow people to carelessly enter matches without even checking if it's correct or not, this is influencing carelessness and inviting countless mistakes and problems.

We have already been through a lengthy debate about why.

You are entitled to your opinion and I really do value you as a player and have came to consider you a friend over the past year, though it will not change the rules unless Dario and I both decide we want to change the rules for this specific Cup.

2. The fact that I received the news that my victory against Mega'Adnan was nullified, and I would have to play again, frustrated me, affected my psychological and performance in the subsequent game, which, for me, generated an unfair result in the second match. You don't need to believe me (as I'm reporting a subjective fact and I can't prove it and it's not something to be considered in re ipsa), but I want you to recognize the fact that, voiding a player's victory, by an error that nobody noticed during the match, it is a fact that can cause frustration, affect the psychological and performance of that player in the next match.


Yes, we recognize and understand it can cause frustration and possibly cause an impact on the players performance.

It doesn't change that it needs to be done if the incorrect scheme is used.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 11, 2021, 12:20 PM
However, to continue playing my cup games (something I want) I would like to request the following:

1. Only me or my opponent will host my games. And, because the obligation to select the correct scheme belongs to the host and not to the opponent, if one of us selects the scheme with wrong settings, and if this error is not noticed during the entire game by anyone, including spectators of the game, the victory cannot be void if the winner was not responsible for causing the error, that is, if he was not the host of the game.

It is fine with me about who hosts your games.

The correct scheme must be used, there is absolutely zero tolerance for mistakes, you compete at your own risk.

It doesn't matter who made the mistake, it doesn't matter who won, the correct scheme and only the correct scheme must be used.

It is the obligation of all participants, whether they are the host or not, to make sure they confirm the setup for the match.

You cannot join an official and competitive match, in a professionally treated environment, especially with a prize, and expect to be lenient about something like this.

What you are asking will directly influence and allow people to carelessly enter matches without even checking if it's correct or not, this is influencing carelessness and inviting countless mistakes and problems.

We have already been through a lengthy debate about why.

You are entitled to your opinion and I really do value you as a player and have came to consider you a friend over the past year, though it will not change the rules unless Dario and I both decide we want to change the rules for this specific Cup.

Besides being something very simple, it is my opponent's only duty to select the correct scheme. But, if necessary, in order to avoid the risk of having a victory voided because the opponent (intentionally* or not) changed some option in the scheme, in every game that I'm not the host, i'll navigate through all the settings of the scheme (including the extended options) to check them. But, I would like to register here my opinion/suggestion that, for me, the fairest thing would be that if my opponent was responsible for the mistake, he should suffer the consequences.

* when I say intentionally, I want to draw attention to bad faith players, who can change some option in the extended settings (or something else that may go unnoticed) and then, for example, if they lose, ask a friend to say that there was an error in the scheme. Thus, he can have a new chance to win in addition to gaining the bonus of being able to destabilize the opponent.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 11, 2021, 12:44 PM
Dario and I are discussing a possibe change to the rule based on who hosts, Dario will post soon.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Dario on August 11, 2021, 01:19 PM
Alright, so Albus, you back in the Cup?.
Then, given what happened, some guidelines should be laid:
The scheme must be the one assigned to this Cup, only changing the number of victories required. Any modifications (besides the number of worms) to it will be considered intentional (good point brought up by Albus). You don't just accidentally go into the options and change something, and if the host did that's a big f@#! up and the host will have to accept whatever the moderators decide to do about it. As guidance, if the nonhosting player wants to replay, then that choice should be respected (of course that under some circumstances a different decision may be made by the mods). Other situations will be analyzed individually, and the most likely outcome is that the host will be held accountable and may be penalized in some way. If the error is in the number of worms used, since this is a plausible human error but very easy to check, the round(s) will not be accepted as a valid Cup game.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 11, 2021, 01:27 PM
So yeah we both agree on that, I mentioned to Dario:

I think regardless of whoever hosts, if it's worm count, should be void, though specific changes inside the scheme, that isn't an accident as you said.

Worm Count is the only thing a player must change manually after you load the scheme, it comes with 3 worms standard when a player teams in. Because of this manual change, human error is more plausible.

However in other situations where the parts of the scheme which are not to be modified, have been modified, then we will apply your suggestion and give a tech win based on who hosted and modified the scheme.

If it was a 3rd party who made this modification to the scheme settings which should not be modified, they will be banned from hosting as a trusted 3rd party again.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 11, 2021, 02:37 PM
Alright, so Albus, you back in the Cup?.

Yes.

Once it was recognized that the decision you took, at the cost of frustrating me, and at the risk of having influenced my performance for the second match played at the same day (I think it did, but no one has the obligation to believe), was the most correct and most beneficial for the Cup, I’m ok with it. I will respect your decision.

If the error is in the number of worms used, since this is a plausible human error but very easy to check, the round(s) will be replayed.

I agree that it is a plausible human error. But I don't agree that it's easy to spot. In the lobby, the visual aspect between 7 and 8 worms is very similar. And because it's something that rarely goes wrong, it's not common for people to look at it. During the game, however, a very attentive player will notice the difference. However, players who play more relaxed, for example, switching between windows, listening to music, drinking etc., can go unnoticed. In fact, during 1 hour of play, me, Mega'Adnan, Komito (host and streamer who was analysing the game), Vok (who was in the match), other twitch spectators (including Dario) didn't notice.

That said, let's move on!
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 12, 2021, 04:19 PM
As a participant in the tournament, I would like to make the following request: before any final decision by the moderators, be given an opportunity for the parties affected by the decision to express themselves.

Today I have a better understanding of why I was so frustrated with what happened and I say with certainty: what frustrated me most was not the decision per se to cancel my game but the way it was externalized. Everything was decided unilaterally and very quickly. I believe that if a dialogue had been opened, with you explaining your reasons and listening to my opinion (even if you wouldn't accept), this whole situation would have been better.

Each person will have their opinion about the decision (whether it was fair or not). Despite considering it disproportionate and not agreeing, it is the duty of the participant of any tournament to respect the moderator's decision, as long as it is not a complete absurdity, which is not the case in the present case, as your decision has a minimum reasoning. And that's why I apologized. I apologized if it gave the impression that I didn't respect the moderators' decision.

But now, after some time, I understand that what came into conflict were some basic principles that I hold of justice.

I'm going to copy here some excerpts from article 5 of the Federal Constitution of my country, which was written on the basis of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other international treaties:

TITLE II - Fundamental Rights and Guarantees
CHAPTER I - Individual and Collective Rights and Duties
Article 5. All persons are equal before the law, without any distinction whatsoever, Brazilians and foreigners residing in the country being ensured of inviolability of the right to life, to liberty, to equality, to security and to property, on the following terms: LV – litigants, in judicial or administrative processes, as well as defendants in general are ensured of the adversary system and of full defense, with the means and resources inherent to it;


This principle, for example, prohibits the judge in the process, as a general rule, from making a decision without hearing the parts of the process (inaudita altera parte).

However, it is jurisprudentially accepted the understanding that this right is not only valid between the State and the citizen (vertical effectiveness), in private relations the subjects must equally respect these principles (horizontal effect of fundamental rights). The Supreme Court of my country, for example, has already decided that an association cannot expel an associate without guaranteeing the right to full defense, even though it is a case of a relationship between individuals ruled by its own statute.

We should not make decisions without listening to the other parties. As I said, what bothered me most was not the decision or the defeat per se, but the whole appearance of authoritarianism overlaid on the situation. I'm not saying I was forbidden to express myself, but a few seconds after Komito became aware of the problem, he determined for us to play again. So I got the feeling that my opinion would be irrelevant.

Komito says he is very experienced with tournament moderation. However, I suggest that, even if you have already made your decision beforehand, keep it to yourself and listen to what the participants have to say, as this makes the player feel important, and not just a mere object of the tournament or entertainment for streams. Every player (noob or pro) is important, and listening to what he has to say makes him feel valued and part of the community. Therefore, I would like to know if, henceforth, before any final decision, Dario and Komito ensure that the players involved can express their opinion.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 12, 2021, 04:22 PM
Wow Albus...

Read this carefully:

If you aren't happy with how moderators moderate their own events, don't enter, make your own and you can do whatever you want.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 12, 2021, 04:24 PM
Wow Albus...

Read this carefully:

If you aren't happy with how moderators moderate their own events, don't enter, make your own and you can do whatever you want.

Looks like you didn't carefully read what I said. I'm just making a request for future situations. I respected your decision.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 12, 2021, 04:25 PM
I read what you said, if you aren't happy, leave.

I'm not going to reply again to this because the decision is final, from both Dario and I(regarding the correct scheme being used).
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 12, 2021, 04:27 PM
I read what you said, if you aren't happy, leave.

I'm not going to reply again to this because the decision is final, from both Dario and I.

I didn't say I'm unhappy. I just want to know if in future decisions you can hear the players before.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 12, 2021, 04:32 PM
In fact, i'll make one more reply to make this clear.

The only thing we are not willing to budge on, is using the correct scheme, we've actually taken into consideration every other point you made:

The special weapon rule was adjusted because of your valid point.

We took your advice about giving tech wins if the host is a player and edits any other scheme settings other than worms.

We even said if you and Adnan desire, you could play your game yet again.

We are going to deal with cases on an individual basis for other scenarios.

With the incorrect scheme though, consequences are set in stone, that is absolutely non-negotiable. That is the only thing we've stood our ground on and the only thing we refuse to change.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 12, 2021, 05:04 PM
Komito, I will be happy to play the next games. I respected your previous decision. The only thing I ask is the commitment, in the future, before any decision by you or Dario, be given the opportunity for affected players to express themselves in advance. This request I make is based on my concept of justice I have acquired in my life, especially in my professional life.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 12, 2021, 05:28 PM
Regarding the right scheme being used, no.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 12, 2021, 08:02 PM
The impression you give is that my opinion is irrelevant in your decision making. However, I don't understand the following: if it is so unnecessary to debate the matter or hear my opinion before your decision is made, why did you do it after the decision? If it doesn't make sense before, it should make less sense later. It would be like a judge who makes a judgment without hearing the parties, but after the sentence and after the parties do what has been determined, he says: ok, now I can listen to what you have to say and I will explain why I made that decision.

There is no absolute rule, there can always be nuances in the specific case, so listening to what the player has to say is important, especially when it is a decision that will affect them. Furthermore, it was because I brought these reflections that made you stipulate rules for something that had not been foreseen before.

Does Dario also think the same? Does he also think that, in any situation involving wrong scheme setting, the player doesn't need to be heard before making a decision?
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Dario on August 12, 2021, 09:18 PM
Yes Albus, players will always have a voice when there is something to debate. For example the aqua sheep incident, where hal voiced his opinion, you voiced yours and a decision was taken by the mods.

Some other times there is just nothing to debate because the game played doesn't meet the rules of this cup. For example, the game against fake SIBASA was deleted, there was nothing to debate there, the match was between Mablak and SIBASA, not between Mablak and whoever was impersonating SIBASA.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 12, 2021, 09:34 PM
Yes Albus, players will always have a voice when there is something to debate. For example the aqua sheep incident, where hal voiced his opinion, you voiced yours and a decision was taken by the mods.

Some other times there is just nothing to debate because the game played doesn't meet the rules of this cup. For example, the game against fake SIBASA was deleted, there was nothing to debate there, the match was between Mablak and SIBASA, not between Mablak and whoever was impersonating SIBASA.

"When there is something to debate," I agree. But Dario, let's agree that the issue that involved me was not something so obvious to decide as in your example of SIBASA (one person pretended to be another). I and other people who think like me are so absurdly contradicting the truth? This fact that involved me was something that deserved at least to hear the opinions of those involved. I don't expect you to agree with me. But I just wish I had been heard. This involved more than the match itself. I didn't like the way I was treated. I was very happy with the victory, and suddenly Komito comes up and says something like that: Oh, sorry. My mistake, you guys can play it again.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 12, 2021, 09:50 PM
Albus, you keep saying the same things over and over, with the same response over and over.

It's like The Simpsons:

"ARE WE THERE YET? CAN YOU CHANGE IT?"

"No."

"ARE WE THERE YET? CAN YOU CHANGE IT?"

"No."

"ARE WE THERE YET? CAN YOU CHANGE IT?"

"No."



I am not prepared to spend my entire life talking about philosophy, cultural differences, hypothetical scenarios and theories, opinions and disagreements because you cannot accept a simple mistake with a consequence we were all responsible for.

I've apologized and accepted my part of the blame for the actual mistake and spent far too long debating over the logistics and reasoning for a mandatory, singular event specific rule that is non-negotiable. We listened to every other concern and points you made and agreed to be flexible there.

So, from now on, regarding anything to do with the mistake which was made with the number of worms and having to rematch it and why, i'll let Dario handle all your questions. I will not reply further, so don't be surprised if you ask me about it again and I ignore you.

Maybe because Dario didn't make the mistake, you might listen to him and appreciate his words more.

Otherwise, please contact MonkeyIsland and ask him to step in, as we are within our rights to make whatever rules we want for a Cup on TUS.














Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 12, 2021, 09:59 PM
I am not prepared to spend my entire life talking about philosophy, cultural differences, hypothetical scenarios and theories, opinions and disagreements because you cannot accept a simple mistake with a consequence we were all responsible for.

There is nothing complex. It's very simple what I ask. Any decision, without exception, that can generate some debate and with potential to frustrate a player (like the one that happened to me and you acknowledged as something that could have caused frustration), listen to the player prior to the decision. It would be possible?
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 12, 2021, 10:01 PM
Maybe because Dario didn't make the mistake, you might listen to him and appreciate his words more.

I've always esteemed you. And I've always been closer to you than I was to Dario. Why would I act any different to him? No.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Dario on August 17, 2021, 05:53 PM
We got a 3-way tie in group 1 between Leoric, Perdunok and Diego.
I can think of two options to solve this:

1) Since Perdunok had 1 tied round against Sheepworm, Leoric and Diego performed better and they would advance. The problem with this option is that drawn rounds are traditionally ignored and this mindset may have affected the result. If this option is the one to be applied, all 3 of the tied players (especially Perdunk) should be ok with it. I'd rather not choose this option because it would require to re-evaluate all the other ties of the group stage and check that considering drawn rounds doesn't change the result for anybody else

2) All 3 players (Leoric, Perdunok and Diego) play a bo1, or a new bo3 game, against the other two tied players.  A new set of bo3 games may result in another 3-way tie, so I'd rather choose a bo1. Since in the previous games no caves were played, I'd suggest playing cave if a single round, and playing cave-cave-open or cave-cave-cave if bo3; but it's up to the two players involved in a game to decide what they will do. I'd prefer if you guys played just one cave round against each other to break the tie, but if all 3 of you agree to something different then that should be fine as long as it is reasonable.

Edit: during this tie-break, tied rounds will be considered. Points for each game will be awarded according to the formula:
(won ronds + 0.5*tied rounds) / total rounds. If the single-round option is chosen and it results in a tie, an extra round will be played until someone wins one round.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 17, 2021, 06:10 PM
We've decided that Perdunok, Leoric and Dieego98 will all play each other again.

This time though, draws will be effective and counted.

The goal of the Cup is to progress the players who played better during their sets of matches, to lose 2:0 in 3 rounds while achieving a draw is a better performance than a straight up 2:0 loss with 2 rounds played.

Good luck guys!

Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Dieego98 on August 17, 2021, 08:35 PM
I'd like to play bo3 games, they aren't that long in this scheme and it gives better chances that the best player wins the match.

Also would like to play on caves (or cco), this is just to have more variety as we haven't played (almost) any caves in the group, but if Perdunok and/or Leoric want to keep the standard ooc it's fine too.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Perdunok on August 18, 2021, 12:50 PM
I think it's fair to replay these games between us. Also bo3. It would be interesting to play in the caves.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Dieego98 on August 18, 2021, 06:00 PM
Group 1 tie breakers, 2-1 vs Leoric with one draw, 2-0 vs Perdunok
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Dieego98 on August 18, 2021, 06:01 PM
Missing replays:
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Perdunok on August 18, 2021, 06:50 PM
I defeated Leoric with a score of 2: 1 in a tie-break.

Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 18, 2021, 11:17 PM
Congratulations to Dieego98 for winning both his tiebreaker games, he will receive the #1 spot in his group.

Congratulations to Perdunok for winning his tiebreaker against Leoric to secure the #2 spot in his group.

Once all the other groups are finished, everyone will be advanced at the same time.

Don't worry, people seem to love 80hp so i'll definitely be hosting more of these in future.  :-*

Leoric & Sheepworm, you guys fought hard, you had some nice moves and ideas! I hope you enjoyed playing and will return again.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Joker23 on August 24, 2021, 04:12 PM
To sum up all the things that I saw about this cup here and on discord, it's a cup in which...
a) you must listen to some no-name broadcaster, who isn't even its admin on the cup page, or you are kicked out
b) if you win, without noticing subtle changes (like Albus), because the no-name is not competent enough to host the cup properly, your victory against his friend is erased, and if you happen not to win another time, be sure to hear "Mega`Adnan f*cked you up"
c) If it happens that you lose a match, you are completely not used to the scheme, you give up to play next ones, and you inform about it in a civil way on Discord (like Rafka), insisting to keep your loss against your opponent, be sure to hear:
"You suck at 80hp"
"Adnan owned you"
"You f@#!ing bitch, you moan every time you lose"
"You are a little f@#!ing whiny bitch"
"I will happily remove you from the cup"
"You are banned"
"f@#!ing cancer to this community"
"@Mega`Adnan Good job absolutely destroying this piece of shit
"You are a f@#!ing disgrace"
"absolute f@#!ing monster"
d) the no-name sticks to the rules so much that his inability to count worms costs 1 participant a victory, but yet somehow if your valid match takes place, and you have manners to inform about not playing more of them, the no-name will erase your match against your will, and replace you as a participant with his own clan-mate.
e) You can't explain anything, just don't try to, or else you end up hearing loads of things on what a trash you are in real life.

Sounds like a nice ghetto cup.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 24, 2021, 04:43 PM
Yeah, I spoke to Rafka with some heated emphasis like that, it wasn't in private though, and I didn't hide behind an alias like what you are doing now.  :D

I won't speak like that here on TUS, though i'd say it to his face in person or in a public Discord channel.

Dario and I are the moderators of this Cup, people are free to leave if they don't like it, we are within our rights to exclude people from future events who cause issues.

This conversation with Rafka is after almost an entire year of his selfish behaviour, though I don't even need to explain the context to an alias account.

Thanks for your concern, have a nice day.  :)
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheWalrus on August 24, 2021, 05:33 PM
To sum up all the things that I saw about this cup here and on discord, it's a cup in which...
a) you must listen to some no-name broadcaster, who isn't even its admin on the cup page, or you are kicked out
b) if you win, without noticing subtle changes (like Albus), because the no-name is not competent enough to host the cup properly, your victory against his friend is erased, and if you happen not to win another time, be sure to hear "Mega`Adnan f*cked you up"
c) If it happens that you lose a match, you are completely not used to the scheme, you give up to play next ones, and you inform about it in a civil way on Discord (like Rafka), insisting to keep your loss against your opponent, be sure to hear:
"You suck at 80hp"
"Adnan owned you"
"You f@#!ing bitch, you moan every time you lose"
"You are a little f@#!ing whiny bitch"
"I will happily remove you from the cup"
"You are banned"
"f@#!ing cancer to this community"
"@Mega`Adnan Good job absolutely destroying this piece of shit
"You are a f@#!ing disgrace"
"absolute f@#!ing monster"
d) the no-name sticks to the rules so much that his inability to count worms costs 1 participant a victory, but yet somehow if your valid match takes place, and you have manners to inform about not playing more of them, the no-name will erase your match against your will, and replace you as a participant with his own clan-mate.
e) You can't explain anything, just don't try to, or else you end up hearing loads of things on what a trash you are in real life.

Sounds like a nice ghetto cup.
I lol'ed at all of this, I love burner accounts created to lend more credibility to a narrative. Although komo could be more democratic and charitable in his responses, rafka is an emotional midget.  If he loses, he falls to pieces, his fragile ego can't take any punishment whatsoever.  This is a hard truth he must come to grips with, or alternatively, ignore and continue.  It will certainly cause more problems for him in the future.  You can single out komo all you want, but he certainly isn't pressing his own bias, dario created this cup and wanted people to play with a certain set of rules, which everyone knew when they signed up.

The albus situation is unfortunate, but living to the letter of the law is the course of action over the course of any competition.  The whole situation was unfair to both parties, both adnan and albus, and any decision would have left someone feeling raw about the outcome.  My gut tells me that the original games with adnan and albus should have remained despite the scheme and worm situation, but again, it is not my decision, and I can understand why the games were replayed. 

The element missing here is levity, and understanding the aim of these cups and league games in general is fun and competition.  People should understand that these things sometimes happen and should set aside their personal feelings for the sake of the cup.  Ultimately, there must be moderation and people are not always going to agree with the decisions handed down, but making yourself into a victim and ragequitting is certainly not the answer to any proposition.

Learn to coexist and maintain a level of humility, people.  It will serve you not only here, but in life in general.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 24, 2021, 05:59 PM
Just to make one more thing known, I would never maliciously mock anyone for being a beginner. I encourage players of all skill levels and will always give any beginner my time and effort to help them in any way I can.

I'll admit I could have said things with less profanity, though it had a clear purpose to me. Rafka knows he is a good player, I know he's a good player, i've even said this often on live streams. Saying he sucks, calling him a disgrace etc, is literally trash talk, specifically to trigger him, I literally want to make him feel discomfort and annoyed in retalitation to all the frustration he has caused others.

Wouldn't it be nice if people focused on the good things we do as well? :D





Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 24, 2021, 06:10 PM
dario created this cup and wanted people to play with a certain set of rules, which everyone knew when they signed up.

In fact, Walrus, I think in terms of what happened to me there was no pre-set rule. It was something very peculiar. An entire game played with 1 worm less, due to the mistake of a third person, and no one has noticed it (Komito, me, Adnan, VoK - who was in the match - and not even Dario who watched the stream).

The whole situation was unfair to both parties, both adnan and albus

In fact, Adnan said he didn't mind the fact that he played with 7 worms. Neither I nor he bothered. We don't think it made the result unfair.



If I could go back in time, I don't think I would have accepted playing that game again, or I wouldn't have played in the same day, so fast. It turns out that everything was very fast. At the moment I just thought about obeying Komito's decision, without questioning.

But this events will serve me as experience and learning. I regret bringing up this discussion after the event. I should have talked before, in private, with Dario and Komito. If I don't agree with the decision, I think it's very wrong, I will leave the competition. Or I will ask for more time to think and mature ideas. It's better than continuing to play the tournament and feeling a taste of injustice. Because, if the person continue like this, sometimes, any later and small details, can be a reason for discussions and misunderstandings (because of something that was not very well resolved in the past).

Dario and Komito's decision (in regards to my game), although I don't agree, I don't think it was absurdly wrong. It is fully justifiable and there are people who agree with that. But I only thought about the decision (whether it was correct or not) after the game (in this case, the defeat). I insist, if me, Dario and Komito had talked better before, I think this wouldn't have happened, as I think we could have reached an agreement (or at worst, I would have left the competition - but I don't think I would). I think it would have been nice if Dario and Komito had consulted me before making the decision. But I also think I should have expressed myself before obeying the decision.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: MonkeyIsland on August 24, 2021, 07:43 PM
Rafka is a very good player. Yes he noob-bashes and he becomes picky when he thinks his opponent is not newbie.  But calling him names like that is not cool. Trash talking must be done when both players have the mind set for it otherwise it is just plain nasty insults. @Komito it certainly doesn't look good on you. Especially for someone who streams and moderates.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 24, 2021, 10:31 PM
Rafka is a very good player. Yes he noob-bashes and he becomes picky when he thinks his opponent is not newbie.  But calling him names like that is not cool. Trash talking must be done when both players have the mind set for it otherwise it is just plain nasty insults. @Komito it certainly doesn't look good on you. Especially for someone who streams and moderates.

I can't really disagree with anything you've said, though Rafka is a special case,  I can explain why my patience was lacking in that situation.

The following is absolutely not an excuse, and I do not want sympathy here. It's merely an explanation of why i've acted without my usual level of calmness i've shown in the past year in debates and arguments.

I was already extremely impatient after dealing with being in hospital every day for the past 9 days now, I spent all day trying to get in touch with my local GP because the doctor at the hospital told me to make an appointment and it takes hours to even speak to anyone. I recently discovered a medical issue which left untreated would result in death, the same thing my brother died from last year. It is affecting my immediate lifestyle and after cutting out certain things i've been quiet grumpy this past week in general.

This is not an excuse, I am not asking for special treatment or sympathy, I knew exactly what I was doing.

Despite all that, i'd still keep a level head on my live streams and on TUS.

Although ONL Discord is unrelated to TUS(Since TUS doesn't have an official Discord channel), most players are from the "Normal" community, so people are organizing their games there. That chat there is not isolated to this singular event with Rafka, this is me losing my patience with Rafka after continously seeing issues with him and having a disturbing amount of players complain about him in private ranging from mild to severe issues.

I am passionate about this game and it's community, people who abuse the system and generally disrespect sportsmanship and the spirit of competition really triggers me, even more so when we have amazing guys like StJimmy, Dario, Mablak, chuvash and others who put time and effort into making these streams so good, my streams would be nothing without the "Normal" community. All that activity and success is because most of them are really nice guys who treat each other with respect and have amazing skills!

Then there is Rafka! >:( >:( >:(

Perhaps I need to rethink my behaviour on that Discord channel, I feel it's a place where we can all vent when we feel frustrated and fed up, i'm not the only person who said "nasty insults", used profanity and got involved in trash talk there. Though the person who posted this clearly has a personal vendetta against me.

While I stand by the decision not to let him play in future events i'm sponsoring with cash prizes due to his poor sportsmanship, I would normally not trash talk Rafka with that much profanity, so from now on, since he is the only person who i've acted with such profanity to, i'll make sure I don't have any dealings with him, and if he happens to take part in other areas of TUS i'll refrain from getting involved with him personally so only other moderators can make decisions about his actions.

I am not going to apologize to Rafka for the message behind what I said because I stand by it 100% even if my life was at risk, though i'll apologize for using too much profanity. Sorry.

I feel bad for how this looks for TUS and I apologize for that, sorry.

Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Mega`Adnan on August 25, 2021, 04:52 AM

Little ghetto cup
Hosted in the ghetto TUS
Whatcha' gonna do when you grow up
And have to face responsibility?

Little ghetto cup
Your Rafka was blown away
He lost that match against Albus
Don't you know that was a sad, sad old day?
All of your young life
You've seen such a misery and pain
TUS is a cruel place
And it ain't gonna change

Tight bars funny man! 8)
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 25, 2021, 10:28 AM
If I could go back in time, I don't think I would have accepted playing that game again, or I wouldn't have played in the same day, so fast. It turns out that everything was very fast. At the moment I just thought about obeying Komito's decision, without questioning.

See, I think that's where you are completely oblivious to the fact I didn't say you had to play right there right then.

I said you guys can(must) play again, then you immediately beeped Mega`Adnan(You use the @ command to call him), so then we played. From my perspective it looked like you wanted to play that game immediately so I just hosted again for you after saying "I'm in a clanner right now".

In hindsight, there is a chance waiting would have made you feel better, though I don't think you would have been happy either way unless you won, that is just my opinion based on how you've been acting.

I think it would have been nice if Dario and Komito had consulted me before making the decision.

You had the opportunity to speak out and you didn't.

Nobody forced you to play the game at that very moment, you done that on your own accord.

You could have said something like, "Hold on, i'm not comfortable playing again immediately, can we do this rematch another day?" and I believe Mega`Adnan(based on his behaviour in the past few weeks) would be more than willing to wait, as for me as far as I am concerned you had until the end of the Group Stage deadline to finish your games.

The decision when to play again was up to you and Mega`Adnan, not me. You guys went ahead and played and shouldn't blame me for that.

I've been held against my own will during my childhood and suffered abuse, I know what it feels like to be helpless, forced, to have no power. Please trust me when I say i'd never force you to play a game, you always have a choice.

I appreciate your decision to just play along immediately, though please be aware I had absolutely no idea you felt uncomfortable about this during that time because you didn't speak up, you should communicate your feelings if you have a problem, whether you are asked or not. I can't help someone if they don't show they have a problem.

I promise you there would have been a delay if you said you were uncomfortable at that moment.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Albus on August 25, 2021, 10:59 AM
I said you guys can(must) play again, then you immediately beeped Mega`Adnan(You use the @ command to call him), so then we played. From my perspective it looked like you wanted to play that game immediately so I just hosted again for you after saying "I'm in a clanner right now".

I beeped him for him to say his opinion about what happened. In fact, if I was smarter with myself, I wouldn't have played at that time. I was emotionally dumb to play immediately after a fact that frustrated me. People criticize Rafka in the sense that he chooses the best conditions to play (time of day against pros etc.). But if the objective is to win (mainly have fun, but win is important in a competitive scenario ofc), why not gather the best conditions (psychological side, best time of the day etc.) for that? I've criticized Rafka a lot, but sometimes I think he's right about some things.

In hindsight, there is a chance waiting would have made you feel better, though I don't think you would have been happy either way unless you won, that is just my opinion based on how you've been acting.

Deleting a game after a win is always frustrating, at least for me. Well, it was a cold shower after a feeling of victory. If I had won it would reduce the previous frustration, but not eliminate it. The frustration existed and the past doesn't change.

You had the opportunity to speak out and you didn't.

Everything went very fast. I just thought about obeying your decision as moderator and trusted your better judgment blindly. Afterwards, talking to other people, I started to think that the decision was not correct. Anyway, if I could go back in time, I would imagine other scenarios: I would ask for more time to reflect on the decision, in order to find out if I would find it better to leave the tournament or continue. But if I continued, I would ask for more time until the rematch, or even propose other conditions, such as instead of Bo3, being a Bo5 etc. But it served as an experience for me.

though please be aware I had absolutely no idea you felt uncomfortable about this during that time because you didn't speak up, you should communicate your feelings if you have a problem

Yes. There was no way you could have known. And yes, I should have expressed myself better.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 25, 2021, 11:32 AM
In future Albus, if anything happens involving you, or anyone really, i'll make sure to give people some time to think and express their feelings.

It's a relief reaching the conclusion and to accept that we all rushed things and should be more patient/careful in future.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 29, 2021, 11:13 AM
Mablak Vs StJimmy - Tonight at 8pm GMT!

All other Groups already have their #1 and #2 spots. The winner of this game will decide who gets #1 and #2 spots between Mablak and VoK.

Although Mustachio Vs FoxHound has yet to be played, we can advance already and they can play their match later(As they can still win the $10 bonus prize). I have messaged MonkeyIsland just to confirm advancing won't lock the Group Stage.

So after the game is played and reported tonight, we can advance to Knockouts live on stream.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on August 30, 2021, 11:58 AM
Quarter-Final

Perdunok Vs. Mablak

Wednesday 1st September - 7pm GMT



Confirmed:

(https://i.imgur.com/dAoK2Ja.png)
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Dario on September 06, 2021, 02:52 PM
Adnan: what about Saturday 11th 13 GMT?.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: Mega`Adnan on September 08, 2021, 04:56 AM
Adnan: what about Saturday 11th 13 GMT?.

I can play for 1 hour at 13 GMT, then wait for an hour (power outage problem), then we can continue at 15 GMT to 17 GMT without any problems. Then power outage again for an hour (17 GMT to 18 GMT), then I have no problem with electricity for next 4 hours.

I say 18 GMT is good. But since timezone problems, I can do that with breaks in middle.
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on September 13, 2021, 02:47 PM
*** PRIZE POOL UPDATE ***

There will now be a $15 prize for the winner of the Bronze match!
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on September 17, 2021, 05:47 PM
Bronze Match

VoK Vs. Korydex

Saturday 18th September - 4pm GMT



Confirmed:

Argh!
Title: Re: Cup #1123, 80-normal
Post by: TheKomodo on September 26, 2021, 01:00 AM
Congratulations to Mablak for winning the 80hp Cup! What a glorious final it was!

The first 2 rounds are among the greatest strategic games i've ever seen! Mablak pulled off a very clutch move that really changed the momentum of the series.

The remaining players decided to split the winnings more evenly instead of 40 for 1st and 15 for 3rd, we went with the following:

$30 - Mablak
$15 - Dario
$10 - Korydex

Congrats guys!



I will send out a message to all participants in the following days about the "Best Turn" prize.