Cups and Tournaments => Cups and Tournaments Comments => Topic started by: kirill470 on September 16, 2023, 01:47 PM
Title: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: kirill470 on September 16, 2023, 01:47 PM
Good
Title: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 16, 2023, 01:54 PM
I would really like to ask the moderator to confirm the cup. Please, if you're not tired of me yet :)
Unlike the tournament, the schemes here are all played bo3, for equality of games before qualifying from the group to the playoffs. The version of the Kill To Streal scheme has also been changed to the version used in the newly K2S created cup
I would also be happy to welcome help in moderating the cup (during the drawing process in English).
I will send a cup invitation to every active player here personally. This is all I can do on my part to understand how relevant the idea with the cup will be among those who still play here.
Thanks for attention
Peace.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on September 16, 2023, 03:31 PM
yeeey!
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 16, 2023, 04:47 PM
Sign up are opened.
ae welcome, join :)
We can start the cup as soon as we have a good number of players for the groups
I will be glad if you tell about the cup in your clan or friends who play with you
Peace.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on September 16, 2023, 05:11 PM
So, how does one actually "spin the wheel"?
Have you created a program on a website somewhere or something?
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 16, 2023, 06:24 PM
Yeah that's the proposal Lancelot brought to me, so it looks like once all the players have signed up and the groups are sorted, we will do a live stream using this random wheel thing to select which schemes the players use.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on September 16, 2023, 11:57 PM
i demand an actual wheel
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on September 17, 2023, 12:05 AM
nice amount of players joined in :-* we gave Lancy an orgasm now
i only joined because i got 2 personal invites, one on discord and one on tus pm, can't turn down that effort, lance made me feel special :-*
Hmm, perhaps not everyone received the letters. Or maybe I missed someone
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 17, 2023, 08:29 AM
The most interesting question at the moment is how many players will gather for the start of the cup?
Hmmm...20? 24?
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 17, 2023, 11:02 AM
I am not sure if the majority of players would be able to compete in wxw scheme, maybe instead we could have Lupastic's Duo Race (aka Driver) scheme? After all there are 7 rope-focused schemes.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 17, 2023, 12:07 PM
I am not sure if the majority of players would be able to compete in wxw scheme, maybe instead we could have Lupastic's Duo Race (aka Driver) scheme? After all there are 7 rope-focused schemes.
Players can negotiate this point by choosing the most compromise map to play
I will write about this later, before the draw
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 17, 2023, 12:49 PM
I think we can start with 20 players
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 17, 2023, 12:58 PM
I am not sure if the majority of players would be able to compete in wxw scheme, maybe instead we could have Lupastic's Duo Race (aka Driver) scheme? After all there are 7 rope-focused schemes.
Players can negotiate this point by choosing the most compromise map to play
I will write about this later, before the draw
Oki
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on September 17, 2023, 04:31 PM
I am not sure if the majority of players would be able to compete in wxw scheme, maybe instead we could have Lupastic's Duo Race (aka Driver) scheme? After all there are 7 rope-focused schemes.
zalo already trying to craft the cup to his abilities :-*
duo race is closer to boomrace than roper is to wxw, and 7/51 rope schemes is a lot?
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 17, 2023, 08:34 PM
ae 2 to start, come join gaiz :)
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on September 17, 2023, 08:43 PM
I am not sure if the majority of players would be able to compete in wxw scheme, maybe instead we could have Lupastic's Duo Race (aka Driver) scheme? After all there are 7 rope-focused schemes.
zalo already trying to craft the cup to his abilities :-*
duo race is closer to boomrace than roper is to wxw, and 7/51 rope schemes is a lot?
:D
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on September 18, 2023, 01:14 AM
noice, we're paired already. so now the mod will roll the wheel for the players in each group and we'll see what schemes we get to play? can we get to see that somehow? :R
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on September 18, 2023, 01:34 AM
Yeah he told me he wanted to go when there were 20, so I saw 20 and thought I'd do it before someone else joins and then gets disappointed that they got kicked lol.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on September 18, 2023, 03:18 AM
Really love this cup because at this point, no one is favorite in these groups until the schemes are pulled. Im really excited for this, what a great idea. Excited for the draw!
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Kaleu on September 18, 2023, 04:17 AM
My Pc Power supply died today. I need few days to start playing. Just ordered new one. 5-6 days to deliver. Hopefully its the only problem in the machine.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 18, 2023, 04:36 AM
zalo already trying to craft the cup to his abilities :-*
duo race is closer to boomrace than roper is to wxw, and 7/51 rope schemes is a lot?
It's okay walrus... I don't want to argue with you. You might not find my inquiries about the cup relatable because I intend to actually play the games with my opponents.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on September 18, 2023, 05:54 AM
zalo already trying to craft the cup to his abilities :-*
duo race is closer to boomrace than roper is to wxw, and 7/51 rope schemes is a lot?
It's okay walrus... I don't want to argue with you. You might not find my inquiries about the cup relatable because I intend to actually play the games with my opponents.
Sorry I touched a nerve, us NA/SA players have trouble meeting europeans a lot of the time. Many of us have careers and real-life obligations. I'm sure it is easy as a European to get your games played, as about 3/4 of this website is euro. I'm sure my games played is as good or better than most/all of the NA/SA players here.
Don't understand why you are resorting to straw man arguments?
I look forward to playing some rope schemes with you in wheel of fortune cup :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 18, 2023, 07:59 AM
Hello everyone :)
In the near future, I think that we will be able to hold a draw for you. I'll pin the link in the group round notes.
About the schemes, which may seem too difficult for some. I think you can find a compromise when choosing map for scheme. If this is a WxW, for example, it is enough to choose two or three walls with a close distance; if it is SSR, choose the lightest map. Perhaps there are other schemes, surf shopper, for example.
I think a few matches of practice will help you adapt.
After the draw we will discuss the timeout for the group round, but for now we just have to wait
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 18, 2023, 08:01 AM
My Pc Power supply died today. I need few days to start playing. Just ordered new one. 5-6 days to deliver. Hopefully its the only problem in the machine.
Noticed. Thx for info
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 18, 2023, 12:17 PM
Don't understand why you are resorting to straw man arguments?
I don't resort to straw man arguments. It's just so happens that I sign for the cup, only when I know that I will have time for it, hence you might not find it relatable what it's like to actually care about the cup and ask questions to improve it one way or another. (Because we all know that the comment section under the cup is here, just so people could insult each other, write offtopic, and not to actually improve the cup that they are seeing, huh?)
I really don't have any problem with you. I only want you to understand that it's normal to write suggestions, and IMO less normal to sign up for a bunch of cups and not question anything, but also not participate in anything. Peace.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on September 18, 2023, 03:51 PM
We will be doing a live draw for all the groups most probably tomorrow afternoon/evening GMT.
Just clarifying a few things with Lancelot first.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on September 18, 2023, 04:12 PM
The live draw for the group stage will take place tomorrow at 5pm GMT.
You can watch this live at - https://www.twitch.tv/WormsArmageddonCWA
This is the order that we will be drawing the schemes for each match:
Group 1:
Saint Vs Laclac - Saint Vs MarCello - Saint Vs Mlaofmd - Saint Vs Lancelot - Laclac Vs MarCello - Laclac Vs Mlaofmd - Laclac Vs Lancelot - MarCello Vs Mlaofmd - MarCello Vs Lancelot - Mlaofmd Vs Lancelot -
Group 2:
Zalo the moler Vs Rocket - Zalo the moler Vs kirill470 - Zalo the moler Vs h3oCharles - Zalo the moler Vs Lupastic - Rocket Vs kirill470 - Rocket Vs h3oCharles - Rocket Vs Lupastic - kirill470 Vs h3oCharles - kirill470 Vs Lupastic - h3oCharles Vs Lupastic -
Group 3:
Masta Vs Big Billy - Masta Vs Kaleu - Masta Vs badatworms - Masta Vs Slayer - Big Billy Vs Kaleu - Big Billy Vs badatworms - Big Billy Vs Slayer - Kaleu Vs badatworms - Kaleu Vs Slayer - badatworms Vs Slayer -
Group 4:
sock Vs TheWalrus - sock Vs Mega`Adnan - sock Vs Ledan - sock Vs Kradie - TheWalrus Vs Mega`Adnan - TheWalrus Vs Ledan - TheWalrus Vs Kradie - Mega`Adnan Vs Ledan - Mega`Adnan Vs Kradie - Ledan Vs Kradie -
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on September 19, 2023, 05:34 PM
The live draw has been done! You can watch the vod here:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1929735799
These are the schemes picked for each match! Best of luck to you all:
Group 1:
Saint Vs Laclac - Fort Saint Vs MarCello - Supersheeper Saint Vs Mlaofmd - Fly Shopper Saint Vs Lancelot - Big Rope Race Laclac Vs MarCello - Big Rope Race Laclac Vs Mlaofmd - Kill to Steal Laclac Vs Lancelot - Time-Trial Jetpack Race MarCello Vs Mlaofmd - One of Everything MarCello Vs Lancelot - Walk for Weapons Mlaofmd Vs Lancelot - Darts
Group 2:
Zalo the moler Vs Rocket - WxW Shopper Zalo the moler Vs kirill470 - Elemental Zalo the moler Vs h3oCharles - Parachute Race Zalo the moler Vs Lupastic - Organic Hysteria Rocket Vs kirill470 - Kill The King Rocket Vs h3oCharles - Fort Rocket Vs Lupastic - Kaos Normal kirill470 Vs h3oCharles - Supersheeper kirill470 Vs Lupastic - Roper h3oCharles Vs Lupastic - Elemental
Group 3:
Masta Vs Big Billy - Holy War Masta Vs Kaleu - Artillery Masta Vs badatworms - Fly Shopper Masta Vs Slayer - Boom Race Big Billy Vs Kaleu - Capture the Flag Big Billy Vs badatworms - Kill to Steal Big Billy Vs Slayer - Shopper Kaleu Vs badatworms - Time Trial Rope Race Kaleu Vs Slayer - Aerial SD badatworms Vs Slayer - Fort
Group 4:
sock Vs TheWalrus - Elite sock Vs Mega`Adnan - Supersheeper sock Vs Ledan - Burning Girders sock Vs Kradie - Bungee Race TheWalrus Vs Mega`Adnan - Parachute Race TheWalrus Vs Ledan - Parachute Race TheWalrus Vs Kradie - Surf Shopper Mega`Adnan Vs Ledan - Darts Mega`Adnan Vs Kradie - Kamikaze Ledan Vs Kradie - Fort
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on September 19, 2023, 06:29 PM
This is going to be a cool cup, the worms gods want me to play parachute race, so I will comply against my best wishes
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Korydex on September 19, 2023, 06:53 PM
This is going to be a cool cup, the worms gods want me to play parachute race, so I will comply against my best wishes
and surf shoppa :D tbh i've never played it xD
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 19, 2023, 07:02 PM
after I got WxW Shopper chosen for me Lancelot said on Twitch chatbox "w2w for you, bro xD" so I came here to ask for a permission to play on this map. Thank you in advance.
after I got WxW Shopper chosen for me Lancelot said on Twitch chatbox "w2w for you, bro xD" so I came here to ask for a permission to play on this map. Thank you in advance.
Post your good and bad luck. I landed on Boomrace against Slayer, someone who is in a community named "Boomrace Masters."
Yes, draw was favorable to me. 3 of 4 schemes I play permanently, and shopper maybe every day). But you shouldn't worry. That boomrace hobby is in the past)
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 20, 2023, 04:13 AM
Can some moderator fix the wrong scheme in the cup? On the very top of the pagee, there is a voting of the cup, and next to the cup there are 31 schemes. In those 31 schemes somebody put "traditional" Hysteria, but in the cup description much much lower it's described as an organic one with a completely different scheme (banana, etc) --> https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2219
Can you update the Hysteria in the upper schemes that are visible at the very top into the "organic" one? Somebody might later get confused. If it wasn't for Lupastic noticing 2nd scheme being different, I would be sure that the upper scheme is the one which I must play.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 20, 2023, 05:29 AM
Can some moderator fix the wrong scheme in the cup? On the very top of the pagee, there is a voting of the cup, and next to the cup there are 31 schemes. In those 31 schemes somebody put "traditional" Hysteria, but in the cup description much much lower it's described as an organic one with a completely different scheme (banana, etc) --> https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2219
Can you update the Hysteria in the upper schemes that are visible at the very top into the "organic" one? Somebody might later get confused. If it wasn't for Lupastic noticing 2nd scheme being different, I would be sure that the upper scheme is the one which I must play.
It didn't seem to you.
There were two types of hysteria in the draw - traditional and organic, yes. At the moment I cannot change the rules since the cup has started, but I will definitely write down your wish for the future, because this is the first trial cup of this type.
Yes, in the future, the number of schemes that would participate in the drawing may be less; Perhaps some schemes will be replaced by other schemes.
For me, the main thing is to see how this cup is played, and to take into account possible and current shortcomings for future cups of this type
UPD: If the scheme seems too fast for you to play (because the weapons in the scheme are quite powerful), the only thing I can do for you is to increase the number of worms to 6 in one team.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 20, 2023, 06:25 AM
In the morning I was talking with friends about how many victories it was necessary to make games in a group. If you think about it, many schemes can really take a long time, but for equality of game rounds I had to go for it.
But making bo1 in all schemes would also damage the cup. Why is equality of game rounds in a group important to me?
First of all, to resolve controversial situations when determining first or second place in the group. If I made the most current rules of the game for each scheme (the number of victories could differ significantly from those indicated in the cup), then I would not be able to fairly fairly determine who would be able to leave the group for the playoffs (if a controversial situation arises with the determination first and second place in the group).
Simply put, counting rounds won and lost would become pointless, and in this case I would have to ask the players who are vying for the playoffs to play again
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 20, 2023, 07:55 AM
Also, I would like to draw your attention to a topic for discussion on the TUS forum.
The topic concerns your comments, wishes and possible ideas for this cup in the future. If you like the idea, I think it could have a place and become a tradition for WA community.
Therefore, your opinion is important, in fact, because first of all, the future of this cup as an idea depends on the players to play a variety of schemes, unlike CWT
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: h3oCharles on September 20, 2023, 09:59 AM
i got all the weird schemes lmao
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on September 20, 2023, 12:00 PM
Can some moderator fix the wrong scheme in the cup? On the very top of the pagee, there is a voting of the cup, and next to the cup there are 31 schemes. In those 31 schemes somebody put "traditional" Hysteria, but in the cup description much much lower it's described as an organic one with a completely different scheme (banana, etc) --> https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2219
Can you update the Hysteria in the upper schemes that are visible at the very top into the "organic" one? Somebody might later get confused. If it wasn't for Lupastic noticing 2nd scheme being different, I would be sure that the upper scheme is the one which I must play.
It didn't seem to you.
There were two types of hysteria in the draw - traditional and organic, yes. At the moment I cannot change the rules since the cup has started, but I will definitely write down your wish for the future, because this is the first trial cup of this type.
Yes, in the future, the number of schemes that would participate in the drawing may be less; Perhaps some schemes will be replaced by other schemes.
For me, the main thing is to see how this cup is played, and to take into account possible and current shortcomings for future cups of this type
UPD: If the scheme seems too fast for you to play (because the weapons in the scheme are quite powerful), the only thing I can do for you is to increase the number of worms to 6 in one team.
for me its not a problem, it was crystal clear that me and zalo got the organic hyst one, which seems like a terribly stupid scheme but its fine for me to play, I never wanted to complain about this :) I like to try new schemes. that's why I asked zalo to give it a bit of time, since I have never played this version of hyst before, didn't want to start playing it raw without ever test-playing a bit before. it's also a nice idea that we have hysteria + organic hyst among the schemes.
In the morning I was talking with friends about how many victories it was necessary to make games in a group. If you think about it, many schemes can really take a long time, but for equality of game rounds I had to go for it.
But making bo1 in all schemes would also damage the cup. Why is equality of game rounds in a group important to me?
First of all, to resolve controversial situations when determining first or second place in the group. If I made the most current rules of the game for each scheme (the number of victories could differ significantly from those indicated in the cup), then I would not be able to fairly fairly determine who would be able to leave the group for the playoffs (if a controversial situation arises with the determination first and second place in the group).
Simply put, counting rounds won and lost would become pointless, and in this case I would have to ask the players who are vying for the playoffs to play again
bo3 for every game is good. but for KO and finals, there should be more than just 1 scheme being draw to play in a bo3. there should be at least 3-5 schemes to play as bo3 imo
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 20, 2023, 01:05 PM
bo3 for every game is good. but for KO and finals, there should be more than just 1 scheme being draw to play in a bo3. there should be at least 3-5 schemes to play as bo3 imo
Yes, this is indeed how it should be, because almost every cup practices similar things
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 20, 2023, 05:09 PM
Wohoo, I finished playing with all 4/4 opponents in my group within 24 hours from the Live draw!
Now I will wait 1 month to see what is happening next.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Kaleu on September 20, 2023, 11:24 PM
Post your good and bad luck. I landed on Boomrace against Slayer, someone who is in a community named "Boomrace Masters."
My good luck is obviously get to play TTRR, haha. ;D Bad luck: noone.
---
Anyway, Group 3
I can play around these times:
Mon. Wed. Fri. 20:00 to 02:00 GMT
Thu. 01:00 GMT to 02:00
Sat. Sun. 19:00 to 02:00
Sometimes much earlier, need to ask me on discord/snooper.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 21, 2023, 02:39 PM
Nobody noticed that I forgot to add the Fly Shopper scheme to the list of rules, LOL :D
I also discovered an error when I published boom race scheme. I mistakenly set time trial boom race scheme , so I quickly fixed it
I will correct any problems and add to the rules for the next cup, so don’t worry, I will learn this lesson
I fixed it. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on September 22, 2023, 11:07 PM
just a thought/idea for a possible #2 cup:
what if even in group stage players get to play a bo3 series of schemes? so like
a) the wheel rolls intermediate for X, and it's bo3 inter (1-0) b) wheel rolls kaos for Y, bo5 (1-1) c) wheel rolls trick race for X, bo1 (2-1, final score)
it would be more challenging for them than just playing a bo3 Supersheep Race or any randomness.. so giving the opportunity to play more :)
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 23, 2023, 12:24 AM
what if even in group stage players get to play a bo3 series of schemes? so like
a) the wheel rolls intermediate for X, and it's bo3 inter (1-0) b) wheel rolls kaos for Y, bo5 (1-1) c) wheel rolls trick race for X, bo1 (2-1, final score)
it would be more challenging for them than just playing a bo3 Supersheep Race or any randomness.. so giving the opportunity to play more :)
Okay, but if you have schemes like Elemental or Kaos or Intermediate it's kinda crucial who begins there, and playing Bo1 there, and then playing Bo1 in some Mine Surfing or Paracjite race, where starting doesn't matter is IMO not a fair way of dealing with those schemes.
I have yet another idea. Maybe for the Knocket Bracket we could have 5 schemes selected for the players, and each of theem would be able to eliminate 1 scheme out of the 5?
Actually nevermind... I think it's a bad idea.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 23, 2023, 07:25 AM
what if even in group stage players get to play a bo3 series of schemes? so like
a) the wheel rolls intermediate for X, and it's bo3 inter (1-0) b) wheel rolls kaos for Y, bo5 (1-1) c) wheel rolls trick race for X, bo1 (2-1, final score)
it would be more challenging for them than just playing a bo3 Supersheep Race or any randomness.. so giving the opportunity to play more :)
In fact, the idea of bo3 in group rounds is quite acceptable for most schemes. It’s easier for me to remove schemes for the group round that bo3 doesn’t suit. I'm already working on the future cup
Regarding the kaos scheme, it is possible that bo3 is not suitable. It's hard for me to say because I hate kaos normal. So make a report about some schemes in the thread I created on the forum
And yes, no trick race in future cups, that’s 100%. This scheme will be more difficult than wxw for some, especially non-roping players.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 23, 2023, 07:41 AM
what if even in group stage players get to play a bo3 series of schemes? so like
a) the wheel rolls intermediate for X, and it's bo3 inter (1-0) b) wheel rolls kaos for Y, bo5 (1-1) c) wheel rolls trick race for X, bo1 (2-1, final score)
it would be more challenging for them than just playing a bo3 Supersheep Race or any randomness.. so giving the opportunity to play more :)
Okay, but if you have schemes like Elemental or Kaos or Intermediate it's kinda crucial who begins there, and playing Bo1 there, and then playing Bo1 in some Mine Surfing or Paracjite race, where starting doesn't matter is IMO not a fair way of dealing with those schemes.
I have yet another idea. Maybe for the Knocket Bracket we could have 5 schemes selected for the players, and each of theem would be able to eliminate 1 scheme out of the 5?
Actually nevermind... I think it's a bad idea.
I will exclude some schemes that are played quickly by players (elemental, comets, comet dodging - where bo3 is quite small) from the group stage. We need to make the fight more balanced for everyone.
As for your idea, this is possible in theory, but practically impossible in practice. Before drawing schemes, each player is given the opportunity to exclude one scheme of his choice from the drawing. But then it is necessary for all players to be present on the stream at the time of the drawing, which is impossible. Alternatively, cup player can write about this in advance in the description so that all cup participants send their unwanted scheme to discord/TUS PM. This option is available for implementation.
Hmm...
we can make an option that would appear on the wheel of fortune... Which would select the scheme, but have an additional bonus, or vice versa. For example: “Golf (the player who goes first in the second round starts from the 3rd hole)” or “Fort (the first one who goes in the first round has a bonus to the life of your worms)” or “Boom Race (the second player in the turn must do not turn off the LH during the entire first round)"
The ideas are really interesting. But will the schemes be balanced in this case? It's quite a difficult job to come up with additional bonuses or damage so as not to cause a significant imbalance in the game.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 23, 2023, 12:41 PM
"I will exclude some schemes that are played quickly by players (elemental, comets, comet dodging - where bo3 is quite small) from the group stage. We need to make the fight more balanced for everyone."
I can think of removing 7 rope schemes to make the game more balanced for everyone. (After all not everybody can rope, I can't rope well, but Danie can't rope even more than me). So lets just keep everything, lets keep Roping Schemes, Elemental, Comet Dodging, and all the other luck based schemes, like Mine Surfing because if the number of schemes shrinks, it will become a generic, only skill oriented cup, just like many other cups that also had 7 schemes, etc
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: FoxHound on September 23, 2023, 01:04 PM
Honestly, I think each scheme should be played the way it was meant to. If it requires bo5, play bo5. the cup is already random and crazy, diversified. The idea is to people have fun and play many different schemes, right? I don't think this cup needs so much balance. It's a random lottery cup, anyway. The winner will be lucky and skillful, and that's all.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 23, 2023, 02:01 PM
Honestly, I think each scheme should be played the way it was meant to. If it requires bo5, play bo5. the cup is already random and crazy, diversified. The idea is to people have fun and play many different schemes, right? I don't think this cup needs so much balance. It's a random lottery cup, anyway. The winner will be lucky and skillful, and that's all.
In this case, how would you resolve controversial situations when you need to determine who will advance from the group round if the win/loss record is equal?
Imagine this situation, you can take any group of already completed cups with a similar situation. In a group, players play different schemes with different numbers of wins. I'm interested to see your opinion
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: FoxHound on September 23, 2023, 02:21 PM
In this case, how would you resolve controversial situations when you need to determine who will advance from the group round if the win/loss record is equal?
Imagine this situation, you can take any group of already completed cups with a similar situation. In a group, players play different schemes with different numbers of wins. I'm interested to see your opinion
Roulette or rematch.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 23, 2023, 02:28 PM
In this case, how would you resolve controversial situations when you need to determine who will advance from the group round if the win/loss record is equal?
Imagine this situation, you can take any group of already completed cups with a similar situation. In a group, players play different schemes with different numbers of wins. I'm interested to see your opinion
Roulette or rematch.
Lol. Rematch? Are you seriously? It's not effective, just like roulette
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: h3oCharles on September 24, 2023, 06:06 PM
404 win not found
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on September 24, 2023, 06:08 PM
group 2, Rocket + me both 3/6 stats, tomorrow it all goes down :-[
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 25, 2023, 08:09 PM
Group 2, well done, congratz lupastic and rakieta with reaching the playoffs :)
Group 3, you have the most inactive group of players at the moment, let's cheer up a bit :)
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 25, 2023, 08:10 PM
In this case, how would you resolve controversial situations when you need to determine who will advance from the group round if the win/loss record is equal?
Imagine this situation, you can take any group of already completed cups with a similar situation. In a group, players play different schemes with different numbers of wins. I'm interested to see your opinion
Roulette or rematch.
Yes, rematch is possible in controversial situations. In the next cup, of course
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Zalo the moler on September 26, 2023, 10:55 PM
Rematch (in our case, a new scheme) is the most traditional way of solving the same stats in groups. I remember that in Worm Olympics some people would just decide who goes through based on Comet Dodging but that was a bit extravagant.
Winning 2:1 in one match and being eliminated because in another, completely different scheme, to a different opponent, you lost 2:0 is in my opinion a recipe for a disaster and fun killer. If you want fun to be the main factor, let players face each other again if they both win 1 match and lose 1 match (same if they both win 2 matches and lose 2 matches).
The only situation when you should take into consideration players' won & lost rounds is when two already advancing players need to be put on Slot #1 and Slot #2. Because it is such an insignificant factor it shouldn't impact whether players will be eiliminated or not.
I am sorry that I speak as if it was a common knowledge but I remember many cups doing it this way from 2013 to 2018.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 27, 2023, 08:01 AM
Winning 2:1 in one match and being eliminated because in another, completely different scheme, to a different opponent, you lost 2:0 is in my opinion a recipe for a disaster and fun killer. If you want fun to be the main factor, let players face each other again if they both win 1 match and lose 1 match (same if they both win 2 matches and lose 2 matches).
Hmmmm
Do you mean, for such situations, choose separate random schemes as a solution?
It is possible, I would call it "colorless" schemes or "passive" or "penalty" or something like that, which would be chosen by lot at the beginning or end of the draw. Two or three schemes can be chosen at random and placed separately for controversial cases in the group round. The order of play in these schemes for players in the case is not difficult to determine. activity in the group round, for example.
Nice idea. That does not disrupt the draw process and the Cup as a whole. I'll write it down. Thank you :)
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on September 28, 2023, 08:05 AM
Group 3 - you have only one game played in the group. Time to wake up :|
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 02, 2023, 06:32 PM
I understand that some players don't play their matches in the group because they don't have tournament value, but...
You sometimes forget why we play here. For fun, of course. :)
Group 2 is an example for all of us. They were the first to finish their matches and they were great.
There is just over a week left until the end of the timeout. Please complete your unplayed matches.
I saw your interest at the beginning to participate in this cup. I don't know if you liked the idea or not. I would like to hear this from each of you. There are some things that can be improved and I will try to fix everything in a couple of months when I create this cup again
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on October 05, 2023, 05:06 PM
Sock, Ledan, and I are tied and need tiebreak, each with 1 win and 1 loss with the other two. Do we replay same schemes? I dunno how you want to do it Lance, but it would be fun to spin the wheel again and do new schemes for tiebreak.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 05, 2023, 06:12 PM
Sock, Ledan, and I are tied and need tiebreak, each with 1 win and 1 loss with the other two. Do we replay same schemes? I dunno how you want to do it Lance, but it would be fun to spin the wheel again and do new schemes for tiebreak.
It's a good idea and I'll use it in the next cup, but without Komito's help I won't be able to spin the wheel live.
The only thing I can do is make a video draw without streaming.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on October 05, 2023, 06:31 PM
It's a good idea and I'll use it in the next cup, but without Komito's help I won't be able to spin the wheel live.
The only thing I can do is make a video draw without streaming.
thats fine, i have never had much trouble finding ledan and sock so we should be able to play games quickly after new scheme picks
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 05, 2023, 06:35 PM
Walrus, for your game with Adnan, where the score is actually 2:1, I will not take it into account, otherwise, theoretically, I could count and determine the two players based on the fewer number of lost matches. But since the rules of the Parachute Race scheme initially lacked specific game rules (putting aside guesswork), I decided to count this game as 2:0
I'll make a video draw for group 4 soon
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 05, 2023, 07:01 PM
Draw for Group 4
Colorless schemes for WoF Cup #1
In the future, this will also be determined on the live stream of the group round draw.
Now, this is a rare case when counting won and lost matches, as well as personal meetings, do not make sense.
I will do without comments, I will simply play out three schemes, which in the future I will call “colorless”.
Group 4
Ledan vs TheWalrus – Capture the Flag TheWalrus vs sock - Shopper sock vs Ledan – Plop War
Those involved in the draw will be required to play your matches, if possible, before the end of the group round time.
This is not the best way to draw lots, but there is no editing here, I just filmed my monitor screen.
hf gl
ye, sorry for my video format 4:3, my big monitor is being repaired :(
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on October 05, 2023, 07:05 PM
Walrus, for your game with Adnan, where the score is actually 2:1, I will not take it into account, otherwise, theoretically, I could count and determine the two players based on the fewer number of lost matches. But since the rules of the Parachute Race scheme initially lacked specific game rules (putting aside guesswork), I decided to count this game as 2:0
I'll make a video draw for group 4 soon
If you wanted to count total games played: Sock 6-2 Ledan 6-3 Walrus 6-3 (if you want to count me losing based on a rule that doesn't exist lol, otherwise 6-2)
Most of the tiebreaks I've seen haven't been based off of that, but rather just rounds won.
But looks like you already did the draw so we will play those, thanks Lance!
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 05, 2023, 07:09 PM
If you wanted to count total games played: Sock 6-2 Ledan 6-3 Walrus 6-3 (if you want to count me losing based on a rule that doesn't exist lol, otherwise 6-2)
Most of the tiebreaks I've seen haven't been based off of that, but rather just rounds won.
But looks like you already did the draw so we will play those, thanks Lance!
in the next cup I will personally make sure that the rules are stated in each scheme, regardless of whether changes are made to the league schemes of 10 years ago or more or not
I could not imagine that problems and misunderstandings could arise with these things, like the description of the game rules for league schemes
But at the moment, it's more important for MI to monitor how often I quote other players' posts, lol
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 07, 2023, 07:34 AM
Less than 5 days left until the end of the group round.
What matches have not yet been played? Here is the list:
Group 1
Saint Vs Mlaofmd - Fly Shopper Laclac Vs Mlaofmd - Kill to Steal
Group 3
Masta Vs Kaleu - Artillery Masta Vs badatworms - Fly Shopper
I hope you can finish your matches, regardless of the tournament value.
Although about group 1, I have big doubts
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 10, 2023, 08:07 PM
Time has been added for group matches until weekend.
This is a forced decision because Komo is busy this week and will not be able to make the draw until the weekend.
There is a possibility that there will also be no draw this weekend. In this case, I have two solutions.
The first option is to ask someone who knows how and streams periodically so that he can help us make the playoff draw.
The second option is for me to do it myself, but it will only be spinning the wheel, without voice, comments, but possibly with background music and text comments.
This is the situation we have at the moment, guys.
Peace.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on October 10, 2023, 08:10 PM
Time has been added for group matches until weekend.
This is a forced decision because Komo is busy this week and will not be able to make the draw until the weekend.
There is a possibility that there will also be no draw this weekend. In this case, I have two solutions.
The first option is to ask someone who knows how and streams periodically so that he can help us make the playoff draw.
The second option is for me to do it myself, but it will only be spinning the wheel, without voice, comments, but possibly with background music and text comments.
This is the situation we have at the moment, guys.
Peace.
my vote is, lets wait for Komito to spin it (: and if he would like to, he could also stream some of the KO and final matches. some rare and unique schemes might come up
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on October 13, 2023, 12:25 PM
I'll do the draw the same way as we done it before I guess.
I should be able to do it this weekend!
Will chat with Lancelot on Discord and we'll arrange something, we'll post here with a scheduled time for the stream for those intersted in seeing the draw live!
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on October 13, 2023, 06:01 PM
The Playoffs Live Scheme Draw will take place tomorrow at 4pm GMT on Twitch:
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Slayer on October 13, 2023, 06:18 PM
good sorting. it's been too many hungarians.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 14, 2023, 04:16 PM
This set timeout for the quarter-finals (round 1)
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1950874332
Lancelot vs Rocket - Time Trial Rope Race Slayer vs sock - Burning Girders Marcello vs Lupastic - Bungee Race Kaleu vs TheWalrus - Shopper
All schemes are best of 3.
Read the cup rules again to avoid any misunderstandings.
Try to finish your matches within the given time.
gl hf
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on October 14, 2023, 05:40 PM
so wait, we only get to play 1 scheme in the KO as well? :/ isnt that too few? KO and final should be 3 schemes at least. I mean a bo3 version of it. I mean I know that the cup is called wheel of FORTUNE, but its just not much to play like this :D u get just 1 scheme and u play bo3 format.. wouldnt it be better to draw 3 schemes, so 2 players get to play bo3 and every scheme is bo3?
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 14, 2023, 06:03 PM
your words in this case sound like an idea for the next cup.
but in this cup, unfortunately, there will be one scheme for each stage of the playoffs
this cup overall gives me a lot to think about. there are things that need to be fixed, of course.
But you offered me a system that might be more interesting for the players in the playoffs, and which would be more difficult. That is, in order to get to the next round of the playoffs, you need to play bo3 in two schemes that the wheel will choose. and in each of these schemes there will be rules bo1, bo3, bo5, depending on the scheme. and the one who wins in the overall standings advances to the next stage.
this is very interesting, actually, thanks for the idea
If nothing stops me, I will create a cup in the new year, in January.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on October 18, 2023, 07:49 AM
suddenly it became very hard to schedule match with Marcello, but we're on it : ) we might play next week. most of the time he is not at home, can't use laptop, when he is at home, I'm working.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 18, 2023, 09:58 AM
after time expires, one of the two players will advance further in the playoff bracket
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on October 18, 2023, 10:40 AM
most of the time he is not at home, can't use laptop, when he is at home, I'm working.
we're keeping in touch on facebook. I could play all day even now, but now he can't play.. the only few times he comes up, I'm not here cuz doin night shifts and he can only play evening times.. hard to come to an arrangement like this :D
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: MarCello on October 18, 2023, 12:19 PM
I'm free only on Thursday evenings and all weekend! I have a life too, and please give me extra time!
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lancelot on October 18, 2023, 12:58 PM
I heard you, okay.
Unlike Kradie, I am not so strict, because I know that this does not lead to good things.
I have extended the play time for Round 1
I hope I don't have to delay finishing the cup any longer.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on October 18, 2023, 01:21 PM
Unlike Kradie, I am not so strict, because I know that this does not lead to good things.
I have extended the play time for Round 1
I hope I don't have to delay finishing the cup any longer.
ty bro ^.- we'll schedule this somehow
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on October 26, 2023, 05:12 PM
thanks for the extra time Lancy :-\
Slayer, prepare your CCCP ass for me in the finals! ♥
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on October 26, 2023, 07:05 PM
Ok guys!
Lancelot informed me that he will not be able to continue for a while, something happened to him IRL and he has asked me to finish the Tournament for him:
(https://i.imgur.com/NlnCyOt.png)
I will do the stream for the live draw for the Semi Finals tomorrow at 3pm GMT!
Still got 4 days before the deadline for the current stage.
If the game isn't played by then, the person who put more effort in will proceed.
It's a shame timezones are so incompatible, it really messes up a lot of games.
@Lupastic & @Kaleu
Have you guys spoke to each other yet to organize? Or Kaleu doesn't respond at all?
tried a couple of times Komi, due to timezone differences, when I wasn't at work I stayed here at night times and offered Kalü to play, we still weren't able to do it even now. I'd still like to play him tho
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on November 20, 2023, 04:59 PM
I see that he has been replaced in another Cup, has he went completely inactive?
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: sock on November 20, 2023, 06:52 PM
I haven't seen a post from him in a while, hope he's ok
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on November 24, 2023, 06:47 PM
Lupastic showed he is more active and making more effort so he proceeds to FINAL. Slayer Vs Lupastic - GOLD/SILVER Rocket Vs Kaleu - BRONZE
I will do a stream over the next few days to do the live draw for the scheme!
I'll announce the time when I figure out my weekend schedule fully.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on November 25, 2023, 01:19 AM
oh Slayer lets see! *-* I'm not hoping for schemes like TTRR or roper. lets just make a nice exciting set of supersheepers maybe ; ]
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Slayer on November 25, 2023, 04:59 AM
10 pm gmt is impossible time for me because it would have been 1 am of the next day in my region. For me, any day from 2 pm till 6 pm gmt is acceptable.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on November 25, 2023, 08:44 PM
10 pm gmt is impossible time for me because it would have been 1 am of the next day in my region. For me, any day from 2 pm till 6 pm gmt is acceptable.
tomorrow 5 pm GMT?
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Slayer on November 26, 2023, 08:02 AM
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on November 26, 2023, 05:17 PM
I could do 6pm sorry I got caught up.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on November 27, 2023, 12:48 PM
the idea of this cup was very nice, thanks Mr Dance-a-lot : ) even if you're on stand-by mode right now for WA and TUS, in the future Kirill&me will continue this legacy to make 1 more cup like this. either with a big pack of schemes and a wheel to randomly choose between them making luck to decide, or 2 players will have the freedom to choose any schemes from the pack as what they desire to play. but I rather hope you come back 1 day and make another one
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on November 27, 2023, 06:31 PM
this was most fun cup in a long time, really liked seeing all these people play strange/unfamiliar schemes. would like to see another one. congrats lupa!
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheKomodo on November 28, 2023, 07:39 PM
I've set a deadline for 2 weeks and 20ish minutes.
This is for Rocket Vs. Kaleu.
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Lupastic on November 28, 2023, 07:50 PM
this was most fun cup in a long time, really liked seeing all these people play strange/unfamiliar schemes. would like to see another one. congrats lupa!
agreed and ty ^^
some of the schemes that didn't get into play but I'd have liked to see them: board game, rowy, russian roulette, petrolia, bungee shoppa
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: Korydex on November 29, 2023, 04:55 AM
this was most fun cup in a long time, really liked seeing all these people play strange/unfamiliar schemes. would like to see another one. congrats lupa!
Plainview is back yay ^^
Title: Re: Cup #1214, Wheel of Fortune Cup #1
Post by: TheWalrus on November 29, 2023, 08:42 AM