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Cups and Tournaments => Cups and Tournaments Comments => Topic started by: TheKomodo on September 30, 2023, 04:28 PM
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This should be A LOT of fun!
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Awww
I thought this was a Grenade Wars :(
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Oh nice, Freestyle cup, it will be interesting show! I wish GL to all participants!
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Honestly I'd like to see what people have to offer, I used to play only warmer. That was 20 years ago, and I'm old and don't like warmer anymore. Interested to see the results, however.
I too, like Lancelot, was hoping for some komo grenade wars/artillery cup, but looks like will have to keep anticipating.....
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Very interesting. I also mostly warmer'd back in the old days. These days I mostly play warmer in bigrr maps.^^
But I guess I will try this one out here.
Some warm nlF feelings <3
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Mablak has confirmed he will be an official judge.
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Out of curiosity...
I know some people might need a few days up to a week in order to submit a demo replay.
Though is it possible to get a show of hands of people who are interested in this event? If you aren't interested could you say why?
I may be willing to change some things if it brings more interest because quite honestly I feel like Warmers are the most skillful scheme that ever has or ever will exist in this game and it's a shame there are not as many players interested in it!
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maybe because warmers are hosted once in a blue moon on wormnet? maybe a few ppl also play it offline, but u need some balls to play in event like this :D
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lmfao Komi, even the playerbase of mole shopper has/had 3 times as much players than warmer or trick racers.. this is simply because most players don't own fast tapping antighosting or whateva keyboards, or they don't wanna dig deep into using cheats/scripts/macros for fast tapping in a scheme which is neither a battle scheme nor a race scheme, like all the rest. I believe schemes like: comet dodge, warmer, trick race are one of the scheme which has the least sense of all, simply because it has no point. it's just practising or flexing on rope with scripts/good spacebars and getting ready for actual races like big rr/tower/TTRR or the wide variations of shoppers that 97% of the playerbase play out there. calling it "art" might be suitable for 10-15 players overall in the past 2 decades you have had in this game online..
it might be good for submitting replays or making TUS challenges though
one more unique scheme that came to my mind that stands out of all the rest (neither a race, nor battle themed, like this one) are boardgames! but even those actually make much more sense to play, and require a much wider scale of skills overall to play it other than rapid tapping with tools.
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-4081/
(wormopoly)
https://www.wmdb.org/44902
https://www.wmdb.org/40912
(or actual boardgames with unique board maps)
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Out of curiosity...
I know some people might need a few days up to a week in order to submit a demo replay.
Though is it possible to get a show of hands of people who are interested in this event? If you aren't interested could you say why?
I may be willing to change some things if it brings more interest because quite honestly I feel like Warmers are the most skillful scheme that ever has or ever will exist in this game and it's a shame there are not as many players interested in it!
As soon as the comet dodging cup ends, I'll make a grenade wars cup.
I think it will be more relevant than this idea.
Of course, if no one wants to create a cup before me, then I would gladly participate
Most often we have to make cups that are relevant, or come up with fresh ideas.
At one time I had to close Camelot T17 cup, because no one was surprised or interested in the T17 scheme
Nowadays I am more careful when I create a cup and think many times whether someone will be interested or not.
If there are no willing or interested people, then your idea is not very good
I personally am not very interested in playing rope schemes, just for fun, without thinking about the names of the tricks I do
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lmfao Komi, even the playerbase of mole shopper has/had 3 times as much players than warmer or trick racers..
Nope.
When Worms Armageddon was in it's prime, between 1999 and 2003, Warmers were the most popular scheme, of all time.
More people played it at the same time, it has had more top players than most schemes combined.
It has the least sense in a competitive sense if you focus on playing battles and stuff, but it's one of the most influential scheme of all time as far as I'm concerned.
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Think of it like... Skateboarding... People freestyle in competitions, Warmers are like that.
If you get it, you get it, if you don't, you don't.
It's either the best thing ever, or you don't care about it at all.
Needless to say, it's without a doubt that Warmers were the most popular scheme back in the golden ERA of WormNET where you would have literally hundreds and hundreds of exceptionally skilled players all playing this scheme for multiple hours on end without breaks.
No other scheme has even came close to that.
I miss those days, and will do everything in my power to get it back on some level again!
If people want to change details of this event to join up, give me your suggestions, I'm open to it!
@Sir-J
As to what impresses the judges, that's why we will have 3 judges.
The main things which are impressive in Warmer and Freestyling is:
Speed - How fast you can go in general, in all aspects, that means doing tricks and moves as fast as possible, it's more impressive to have that level of control. Though, saying that, it's also impressive to switch it up and do some moves that are slower!
Consistency - So consistency comes into play more when you are doing riskier moves, and not failing. So think of consistency as in, keeping it going without failure or mistakes.
Creativity - This is self explanatory... It's about doing things that aren't common. To think of combos which aren't done often, or moves in places people usually don't do them.
Variety - This is self explanatory as well... It's might sound similar to creativity but it's not quite. Variety is just mixing it up with a bunch of different stuff so you aren't too repetitive.
Adaptability - This is very important as well... Being adaptive means you can switch it up in an instant... You might go for a certain trick, but can see you aren't going to make it in time so you adapt and quickly execute something that does work! If you are good enough at this, it can look like everything was meant purposely!
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If I were given the choice of something to experience or play or watch again, I would choose WormOlympics without hesitation.
I would give some things to go through that time of competing again in different schemes, sometimes going long enough to win some tournament...
Nostalgia is good, and your idea is actually quite good, but another question would be more appropriate here - who is interested in this? Watching/streaming is ok, but playing? Even for those who like to play on a rope...I think cups based on the schemes that are currently relevant are more preferable (like rope race, roper, wxw, etc).
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Sir-J, please join up!
You are one of the best Ropers Worms Armageddon has ever seen, it would be an honour to watch you compete!
If you want a general idea of what to do, join me for some Warmers with Mablak or something to get a bit practise in!
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Yeah, it's a great idea though unfortunately seems there aren't many players who enjoy Warmers these days.
I'll leave it until Sunday and see if anything happens then, maybe/hopefully some people are preparing replays.
I know a few players who said they wanted to take part at least.
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So you've been really excited since you bought that keyboard that gives you an unreal advantage, right? xd
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Yeah, it is always exciting to play Warmers every time I get a new keyboard. :D
I've messaged multiple people for this Cup, it's a shame Twitch wasn't around in 1999-2004, we would have been legends in the world of online gaming lol.
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Not that I wanted to join.. But You should no more discriminate ppl by "Only players with a "played games percentage" above 60% are allowed to enter." rule.
This game is dead, lets be honest, so if anyone who is still there is interested, I would let him join.
You could make that rule 10 years ago, while in ag at any time was 50-60 ppl and leageu was much active, but making this rule doesnt make sense for me.
Even tho, You should consider situations that You join cup, u are mixed with some inactive ppl , u cant play ur games, and even if that is not ur fault, ur cup ratio games will no more be 60%.
Just sayin,
Look what is goin on in cwt
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I would join this cup, it just seems impossible to make a demo replay. And I think it is not necessary. Most ppl who would join you might know anyhow.
But yea, that's what keeps me from join atm. xd
And I heard that from other ppl actually who are thinking of joining.
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Ok, I'll remove the need for a demo replay, and take away the join percentage.
Though, I will remove players who are either aliases, or not known to be at least somewhat capable on the rope.
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Ok, hopefully these changes will attract some players now! I strongly believe this has the potential to grow into a very popular and lucrative event!
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The thing is is that the scheme warner and freestyle has become such niche scheme that it only attracts a small numbers of people. Most new and regular people today on WA play Kaos, mole, shopper, and Normal at least for the most part. If a new or regular player sees people freestyle in warmer it might overwhelm them, perhaps even scare them away and thus alienating them because freestyle may look aimless to them. It is the barrier to leave a comfort zone to overcome a new skill that may be menacing. So people opt to what is ''current'' and ''easy'' to get by. Freestyle is not easy to get into because it involves a lot of intricacies. To my experience, a new player or even a regular player sees a experienced roper rope around in a rope scheme, they sometime state that they aren't good enough for you and the scheme, and therefore they choose to leave. Though I think freestyle could be revitalized if it is done easy and in a welcoming fashion.
Heck, even I don't like trick race because I don't like being told how to rope and what to do. Sometime I get compliments ''Wow nice (insert trick name)'' and my reply would normally be ''Heh I just rope''.
in the end this cup would have been more popular 10-20 years ago, but these players aren't around anymore. That doesn't mean the game is dead, it just means the focus has shifted.
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Yes, it's true that new players opt for easier schemes, or at least beginner friendly schemes like Kaos and Intermediate.
Things like TTRR / Big RR even struggle to get activity let alone Warmer.
Free signed up though, he was a boss Warmer back in the day.
We can start even if we get 6 people.
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3 players so far, we've got the ball rolling! 5 spots left 😊
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4 players, so need 4 more!
If we don't reach it by next Sunday this one will be cancelled unfortunately!
Such a shame Twitch wasn't around back in the day! And Wooting keyboards! :P :D
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Can I perform jetpack freestyle with beautiful mole waterfalls? :)
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Just checking Zalo, you do know this is a roping event yeah? You've signed up, though I believe you have a slight hatred towards roping schemes. :D
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Just checking Zalo, you do know this is a roping event yeah? You've signed up, though I believe you have a slight hatred towards roping schemes. :D
Not hatred. I just have two left hands.
That being said I think I would rope well in the roping freestyle!
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Well, unfortunately the dream for a Warmer Cup is over! :'(
Such a shame, never has this game seen so much skill as the Warmer era between 1999 and 2004...
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IMO, you shouldn't have made such a strict rules in the beginning of this cup, as if this have been created for some "special" people. This could discourage potential candidates. Especially if pay attention to the fact that there are few people online and the Warmer scheme is unpopular right now. I know a few guys, who loves to play WxW and we do this often. Why doesn't anyone play the Warmer - that's a question. Seems like we need to work on the "culture of freestyle".
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IMO, you shouldn't have made such a strict rules in the beginning of this cup, as if this is for some "special" people. This could discourage potential candidates. Especially if pay attention to the fact that there are few people online and the Warmer scheme is unpopular right now. I know a few guys, who loves to play WxW and we do this often. Why doesn't anyone play the Warmer - that's a question. Seems like we need to work on the "culture of freestyle".
Micro got in touch, this could still happen!
He's going to ask some of his friends who might play. If this happens, I'll reactivate it. Fingers crossed!
Though the strict rules are there for a reason, I am hoping to make this a recurring event with increasing prize pools and activity.
This is not an event for noobs, or anyone who is lazy, or people who are unreliable.
I want hard driven, skilled and reliable people to participate.
This shouldn't even be a hard ask, it should be standard lol.
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He's going to ask some of his friends who might play. If this happens, I'll reactivate it. Fingers crossed!
Good news!
This is not an event for noobs, or anyone who is lazy, or people who are unreliable.
If we want to "resurrect" rope freestyling and the Warmer scheme, we need to get rid of the word "noob". There are those who can be mentors, and there are those who need a mentor. That's it. Otherwise, this scheme will continue scaring a new people away.
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If we want to "resurrect" rope freestyling and the Warmer scheme, we need to get rid of the word "noob". There are those who can be mentors, and there are those who need a mentor. That's it. Otherwise, this scheme will continue scaring a new people away.
Why? Noob is a legitimate word to explain someone who is new/beginner level.
I was a noob once lol. Absolutely nothing wrong with that! It's just shorthand for newbie.
Though, I always have been and always will be quite happy to play with noobs and teach them, but when it comes to actual competitive gameplay... At a level expected to be the best of the best, it's kinda dumb to put noobs against insanely skilled players.
To have these events streamed live, with a growing audience on Twitch, is something to aspire towards!
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Why? Noob is a legitimate word to explain someone who is new/beginner level.
I was a noob once lol. Absolutely nothing wrong with that! It's just shorthand for newbie.
To better explain my point of view, let's remember what a Warmer is and how it has been perceived. Imo, this is a "warm" (sorry for wordplay: warm Warmer, lol), relaxing and player-friendly scheme, where all players can practice their roping skills, tricks, freestyling and have interesting conversations during hours. There are no noobs, this is a place where people just perform what they want to perform and no one competes. I understand that this is the cup and we are here for competitive gameplay, so this is a different case. But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob. Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Although I also think that being a noob is normal. I still tell everyone that I'm a noob. :D
Though, I always have been and always will be quite happy to play with noobs and teach them, but when it comes to actual competitive gameplay... At a level expected to be the best of the best, it's kinda dumb to put noobs against insanely skilled players.
Why can't a noob just has a try? If a player is truly a noob, he/she will lose in the first game. But what if he/she is a "dark horse" and could surprise everyone?
To have these events streamed live, with a growing audience on Twitch, is something to aspire towards!
Exactly!
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There are no noobs, this is a place where people just perform what they want to perform and no one competes.
Sorry, but that is delusionally ignorant...
Please don't mistake that and think that I am insulting you because I'm not! It's just a blatant fact because what you said is incorrect and quite delusional to think there isn't such a thing as a noob when there clearly is.
A noob literally means they are a beginner, that their skill level is of entry/basic level. I'm not going to call them anything else other than a noob, or a beginner, or that they have basic or a lack of experience.
Either way they all mean the same sort of thing, that they aren't even close to being good yet.
It has nothing to do with competing or not.
But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob. Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
I personally feel like people are too easy to insult and offend these days and that it's unhealthy to sugarcoat everything. Whether you call them a noob, or a beginner, or they lack skill, or that they aren't good enough yet, it's all the same thing...
People should not be taught and raised to be offended by failure or a lack of experience... Just tell them "Look, you're not very good right now, but if you enjoy it enough and keep practising one day you will be WAY above average!"
That's the truth, the truth should not be offensive.
I strongly believe in tough love, to specifically admire those who show strength, confidence and skill far more than anyone else. If you do anything but this, getting better doesn't have as much of an impact.
That's why reaching top tier status all those years ago felt special, these days it's like they want to treat everyone like a winner even when they are a loser lol.
Why can't a noob just has a try? If a player is truly a noob, he/she will lose in the first game. But what if he/she is a "dark horse" and could surprise everyone?
Nah... There is no way a noob is going to surprise anyone unless they are faking it, and if they are faking it then they have other problems in their life.
For me... I always have and always will be the kind of person who just absolutely LOVES seeing people who are among the best compete in anything.
I'm doing this for fun, it's my personal ambition and vision to create a very successful event with the best players that exist. I specifically want people to understand how good they have to be to even take part, give them something to work hard towards if they are interested.
If nobody likes that, fair enough, I have tons of other ideas in life lol, not everything is a success! :D
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He's going to ask some of his friends who might play. If this happens, I'll reactivate it. Fingers crossed!
Yes please!
Also it would be so nice if the cup system could work a bit more like a skate contest. For example current SLS Contest.
There you have 2 x 1 minute runs and a best trick section where you have 5 tries to get the best score.
In that system the 3 best scores count, 1 score from the run section, 2 from best trick.
But there can be changes for WA Freestyle of course. I just saw this cup and this is what came to my mind instantly.
Since I do both - Freestyling on a skateboard and on rope :D
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I am more than happy to change the way that you all compete, the time you get to play, etc... I think KRD said something about having multiple runs as well.
The only thing I am sticking to are:
8 players max.
No noobs.
Rubberworm.
I'm pretty flexible with everything else I think.
Oh, and also the map! It's got to be the one I showed!
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Sorry, but that is delusionally ignorant...
Please don't mistake that and think that I am insulting you because I'm not! It's just a blatant fact because what you said is incorrect and quite delusional to think there isn't such a thing as a noob when there clearly is.
A noob literally means they are a beginner, that their skill level is of entry/basic level. I'm not going to call them anything else other than a noob, or a beginner, or that they have basic or a lack of experience.
Either way they all mean the same sort of thing, that they aren't even close to being good yet.
It has nothing to do with competing or not.
You didn't understand my message. You are taking everything too literally, although I meant something else. Although even here I could retort. There's some questions for example:
– What is entry/basic/good level? Are there any criteria that helps distinguish the basic level from the average?
– How can you determine the level of someone while playing Warmer? As I said, the Warmer is the scheme, where people just perform what they want to perform. Maybe someone just doesn't want to perform some masterful tricks.
– Everything in the world is relative. Is the watermelon big or small? If you compare it to an apple, then yes. If you compare it to the planet, then no. Is the "noob" relative or absolute term? Are the criterias of entry/basic/good level absolute or relative?
I don't expect the answers to these questions, because I don't want to argue. These questions are rhetorical for showing you that everything isn't as simple as you want.
I personally feel like people are too easy to insult and offend these days and that it's unhealthy to sugarcoat everything. Whether you call them a noob, or a beginner, or they lack skill, or that they aren't good enough yet, it's all the same thing...
People should not be taught and raised to be offended by failure or a lack of experience... Just tell them "Look, you're not very good right now, but if you enjoy it enough and keep practising one day you will be WAY above average!"
That's the truth, the truth should not be offensive.
I strongly believe in tough love, to specifically admire those who show strength, confidence and skill far more than anyone else. If you do anything but this, getting better doesn't have as much of an impact.
I didn't say that noobs don't exist lol. And I agree that the truth shouldn't be offensive. I was talking about the culture of rope freestyling and the warm, friendly atmosphere. I said that we should mentally eradicate the word "noob" in relation to Warmer and freestyling, because it can degrade the atmosphere and the culture. "Noob" is a bad label for many. If you don’t believe me, go to the open WormNet (out of friendly tus-games) and play random games with a guys, try to call them noobs and you will see the reaction.
Besides, how can you even be a noob at freestyle? If you have came to FREESTYLE, then you at least have basic skills.
That's why reaching top tier status all those years ago felt special, these days it's like they want to treat everyone like a winner even when they are a loser lol.
If there was a delusional ignorance somewhere, it is here. :D
Nah... There is no way a noob is going to surprise anyone unless they are faking it, and if they are faking it then they have other problems in their life.
You are so sure that you are right that I don’t even want to disappoint you. :)
I'm doing this for fun, it's my personal ambition and vision to create a very successful event with the best players that exist.
You have a good ambitions, I wish you good luck honestly. And I just wanted to help with the situation, because this event is so far from successful, like so far our planet from the Alpha Centauri. But instead of thinking about my words, you've began to argue and tried to prove that I was wrong. Ok, it's your business, do your own way.
It is impossible to have a successful event with the best players in an empty room. First of all, we need at least someone to fill this room... And I’m talking not about spectators.
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1st of all I'm going to specifiy that I understand your message completely, the way you wrote it, with the English language.
Maybe what you mean is different from what you're writing, but I can assure you, I'm not an idiot who doesn't understand his own native language.
Also, I don't see this as an argument rather than a passionate conversation about something which has quite literally been one of the most important parts of my life.
I've met people through Warmers who literally changed my life, I won't go into detail about my childhood, but from my own perspective, this game saved my life. People I met through Warmers from 1999-2004 played a huge part of who I am today.
So please don't think this is some meaningless argument, or that I'm frustrated or angry with you because I am not.
I put 100% effort into everything I am passionate about, and yes, I take these conversations literally... I enjoy them!
You didn't understand my message. You are taking everything too literally
Of course, why shouldn't I take it literally? Are you suggesting your words are sarcastic? Or exaggerated?
If you are deliberately speaking with sarcasm, or exaggeration, or any other form of meaning other than literal, then you need to specify that, otherwise I will take your words literal by dictionary definition.
– What is entry/basic/good level? Are there any criteria that helps distinguish the basic level from the average?
I had an interesting conversation with M3ntal during our stream today... For the sake of clarity, let's just speak about this subjectively.
This is a Cup that I am hosting on TUS, so therefore it's my own subjective opinion of what is deemed worthy of entering a high skill level tournament.
I will be basing my judgement based on the following:
Speed - How fast you can go in general, in all aspects, that means doing tricks and moves as fast as possible, it's more impressive to have that level of control. Though, saying that, it's also impressive to switch it up and do some moves that are slower!
Consistency - So consistency comes into play more when you are doing riskier moves, and not failing. So think of consistency as in, keeping it going without failure or mistakes.
Creativity - This is self explanatory... It's about doing things that aren't common. To think of combos which aren't done often, or moves in places people usually don't do them.
Variety - This is self explanatory as well... It's might sound similar to creativity but it's not quite. Variety is just mixing it up with a bunch of different stuff so you aren't too repetitive.
Adaptability - This is very important as well... Being adaptive means you can switch it up in an instant... You might go for a certain trick, but can see you aren't going to make it in time so you adapt and quickly execute something that does work! If you are good enough at this, it can look like everything was meant purposely!
Those things are very simple to judge if you are an experienced player, although opinions are subjective, most skilled players will be in agreement of what separates a skilled player from a noob.
– How can you determine the level of someone while playing Warmer? As I said, the Warmer is the scheme, where people just perform what they want to perform. Maybe someone just doesn't want to perform some masterful tricks.
Well, for the most part, it's obviously subjective, it's opinion based, what impresses me the most might not impress you the most... Though I am 99.1337% sure that we would both distinguish a beginner(noob) from a top tier player, EASILY!
Wouldn't you agree?
– Everything in the world is relative. Is the watermelon big or small? If you compare it to an apple, then yes. If you compare it to the planet, then no. Is the "noob" relative or absolute term? Are the criterias of entry/basic/good level absolute or relative?
Yeah, I'd ask the same question to be honest.
There is a certain level of objective judgement, though, it IS mostly subjective.
Clearly there is an objective level of "This guy has literally just started learning how to rope", which makes them a noob...
Though once you reach a certain level(which really does vary for everyone!), it becomes more, subjective.
These questions are rhetorical for showing you that everything isn't as simple as you want.
I mean, for me it's very simple, I'm not sure about you though.
I didn't say that noobs don't exist lol.
Sorry but you literally did say that:
There are no noobs, this is a place where people just perform what they want to perform and no one competes.
And I agree that the truth shouldn't be offensive. I was talking about the culture of rope freestyling and the warm, friendly atmosphere. I said that we should mentally eradicate the word "noob" in relation to Warmer and freestyling, because it can degrade the atmosphere and the culture. "Noob" is a bad label for many. If you don’t believe me, go to the open WormNet (out of friendly tus-games) and play random games with a guys, try to call them noobs and you will see the reaction.
I mean... I see what you're saying and disagree absolutely.
"Noob" is not inherently an offensive word with offensive intentions, it never has been... If you believe it IS though, then it IS.
Besides, how can you even be a noob at freestyle? If you have came to FREESTYLE, then you at least have basic skills.
I mean, I've already explained this a number of times...
Especially in a competitive event which has subjective judges.
I'm not actually sure how else to explain this concept to you...
You are so sure that you are right that I don’t even want to disappoint you. :)
I wouldn't be debating with you if I thought I was wrong...
You have a good ambitions, I wish you good luck honestly. And I just wanted to help with the situation, because this event is so far from successful, like so far our planet from the Alpha Centauri. But instead of thinking about my words, you've began to argue and tried to prove that I was wrong. Ok, it's your business, do your own way.
To be honest, it's even further from successful than Alpha Centauri! :D
I'm ok with that! Everyone has ups and downs, success and failure!
In my head I know it's a great idea the way I vision it, the problem is we have less than 0.5% of players interested in Warmers as we used to 20 years ago...
If this event took place 20 years ago, I know it would be successful...
Think of it as an old fossil of a player dreaming about how good Warmers used to be, and trying to integrate the success of the CWA Discord/Twitch channel with that passion!
It is impossible to have a successful event with the best players in an empty room. First of all, we need at least someone to fill this room... And I’m talking not about spectators.
Indeed!
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CUE THE GREAT KOMO WALL OF TEXT, HE IS BACK :-*
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I don't even realize I'm doing it when doing it...
Time flies when you're having fun! :P
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It's a reboot of my favorite TV series
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When you are reading Komodo's post it is like reading Star Wars opening text.
Imo Noob is supposed to be offensive, that's why I barely use it anymore. Instead I use ''newbie'' or nothing at all. Before at younger age I used the word noob more aimlessly around because it had more offensive properties and caused more negative reactions from other people.
So my new subjective opinion of a noob is somebody who is a slow learner, unwilling to learn, quits a lot, who throws random insults and remarks, and a person who can't understand the language perfectly or is bad at the common tongue in the location they are in.
A newbie Imo is opposite: They are willing to learn, wants to Improve, quits less, has a decent behavior, can be a slow or average learner, and can be okay at the common language.
Regardless if you agree on my take on the word noob and newbie. To use the word noob can both have both positive and negative effect on a person's psyche. Some people can handle it like when a Drill Sargent in the military screams at you, it can make them more stronger. Harsh experiences can make you stronger. So you may be thinking ''Well Kradie, maybe we all should be like a Drill Sargent and yell ''noob'' at each other''. No that's not what I meant. If we started to scream and shout insults to everyone we would live in a indecent society and lower ourselves to their level.
The word noob is more ''come of age'' to me and should be used in specific scenarios where it is just to use it.
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I completely agree with Kradie. Noob is not the same thing as Newbie. Noob is pejorative. Even though, sometimes we use it a lot in different contexts, but not to offend others. I think Kradie's definition of noob and newbie is accurate. A noob is not actually a troll too. A noob is an inexperienced player, but it is not an educated player most of the times. It is someone that is learning to play, but it is completely insecure dealing with many toxic experient players, and naturally the reaction of a noob is to insult others, quit and become stupid like the toxic players, to defend himself/herself. If you call someone a noob in any of all existing games, I agree with FlashR, most people will not like to be called a noob. Newbie is more acceptable, but even newbie some players might not accept to be called, specially when they are experienced players, but don't play competitively and are called this way by the ones who play leagues or cups.
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If you believe that's what noob means, then that's what it means to YOU. Belief is a powerful thing... Even if what you believe isn't true to other people, or what actual words mean, the sheer fact that you genuinely believe it, has a real effect on your life.
At least Kradie is saying it's his opinion, because the literal truth is different from his opinion. Though if that's what he believes, then when he sees others use this word, or someone says it to him, or he says it to someone else, then it's highly likely that it will come with depreciative intent.
Though, flashR and FoxHound are literally wrong and there is proof. They are writing it as if the word is inherently depreciative, it's not.
Have you looked up what it means in a dictionary? "Noob" has literally been added to several English dictionaries and it is not malicious at all. It literally trantlates to "Newcomer" or "Newbie", and if you look up "Newbie" that translates to "Newcomer".
A few of them do acknowledge that it can be used slangly in a disparaging manner, though it's still not inherent, it entirely depends on the context of the person using it.
Now, I'm not oblivious to the fact that there ARE people who use the term "noob" in a depreciative manner, but that part is subjective to the person using it, not the literal meaning of the word itself.
The problem is when you push your own beliefs onto everyone else, not realizing that the word has innocence to it as well. Therefore turning something positive into something negative with ignorance.
It's ridiculous to blame the word "noob" when it's not the word that's the problem, it's the way people use it... There are limitless ways to offend someone in a way that mocks their level of skill. To focus on that one word is ridiculous.
You're trying to ban a word due to personal feelings.
It's like saying "He pushed me, pushing is bad!", where it's not the action of pushing which is bad, it's the person with their malicious intent to harm or annoy the other person that is "bad". We push things every day in useful and good ways... Like pushing buttons for example when writing this message.
So, all in all, if you are not comfortable with the word "noob", then that's your problem, not mine. I will continue to use it because it's a perfectly good word and like the way it looks and sounds when saying it. :P
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because u all noobs agaist komodo playen bng !
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Also, if you have a problem with the word noob, then go attack the NNN community! :D
(Don't actually attack them, they are nice people)
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in fact u so silly... we need MORE newbs to alive this game ! newbs are importnant stuff .
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I like noobs though lol, I've spent a lot of my time in this game teaching, offering help and advice...
If I hosted games on WormNET, casual games like Hysteria, Big RR, Warmer etc... I mostly always take the time to ask if they know how to play, if not then give them an explanation.
I even have a macro for when players join with previous incompatible versions of the game!
So yeah, just like the human race needs to teach their young in order for the human race to thrive and keep living... Us experience players need to guide and teach new players, show them what is possible, but let them make the choice which schemes and skills to pursue.
Though this isn't a funner and it's not a casual game, it's a competitive environment specifically designed to cater to the best players... Stuff like this isn't suitable for noobs, they need to practise first and reach a higher level of skill in order to compete with those who have spent years honing their skills.
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Oh just for the record I don't want to ban the word noob. If you start to ban things you don't like then we would start to head down a slippery slope. Be mindful on how you express yourself and take responsibility of the words you use and how you use them. as well the repercussions that may follow your action.
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Of course, why shouldn't I take it literally? Are you suggesting your words are sarcastic? Or exaggerated?
If you are deliberately speaking with sarcasm, or exaggeration, or any other form of meaning other than literal, then you need to specify that, otherwise I will take your words literal by dictionary definition.
Man, are you serious? Do you really take all the words literally? Don't you understand sarcasm or exaggeration? In real life, do you also ask for warnings about sarcasm in advance? This is very strange if so. Tbh I spoke without sarcasm or exaggeration. Often there is something more hidden behind the words, and I'm surprised if you don't understand this.
There are people who can not (or don't want) see/feel the general line of a dialogue, but they perfectly cavil to every single word. I don't want to offend you, but you look like that kind of person in my mind. I will try to explain this point of view next.
I mean, for me it's very simple, I'm not sure about you though.
In general, I believe that the whole world is very complex and diversified, and it would be weird to say that everything is simple.
Sorry but you literally did say that
A perfect example of caviling and taking words out of context. Yes, I said so, but I was talking about the culture of freestyling and atmosphere of the Warmer. And yes, there are no noobs here, simply because, as I said before, if you've came to FREESTYLE, then you at least have basic skills. If you have a basic skills, you can't be called a noob objectively (unless there is a goal to insult and humiliate). In addition, the word FREESTYLE itself suggests that a person can move FREELY and has STYLE. A noob can't move freely and can't be stylish (if we're not talking about fashion style ofc :D), because of lacks of skills. This is a special note for you, because I see that you love dictionaries.
Anyway, DON'T label anyone a noob, even if YOU THINK that he/she is a noob! I have already listed the reasons several times.
At least Kradie is saying it's his opinion, because the literal truth is different from his opinion.
This is what I really like... ;D I have finally met the only person in the world who can see THE LITERAL TRUTH. Sorry for the joke, but it looks like you are exalted, the sensei of all humanity.
In my head I know it's a great idea the way I vision it, the problem is we have less than 0.5% of players interested in Warmers as we used to 20 years ago...
Man, your reaction to healthy criticism is really weird. Let me try to explain from the other side. As simple as possible. Look, just imagine that you are a marketer, and I am a customer of your product (by the way, this is a very close comparison to truth, because you are the organizer and I wanted to participate in this event). There were a moments that confused me and I've gave a healthy criticism and left feedback. Instead of thinking about it and accepting this feedback, you've started to argue and tried to prove that I was wrong. But I don't need it, because:
1. I leaved this feedback not for arguing.
2. I know that I'm right and please don't try to force your opinion on me.
I just noted a POSSIBLE reasons that could affect the success of the event.
Just imagine, the customer have bought the product. He didn’t like something and left a negative review on the website. Then the marketer came there and began to convince him that he was wrong, the product was the best in the world, and the customer was a moron generally. How do you think this is a healthy reaction? How will this reaction affect sales? Just think about it with a "cold head".
In my head I know it's a great idea the way I vision it, the problem is we have less than 0.5% of players interested in Warmers as we used to 20 years ago...
You need to understand a few things here:
1. "Nowadays" and "20 years ago" - are the different things. Approaches that worked 20 years ago may not work now, and vice versa.
2. Customers doesn't care about thoughts in the head of a marketer. They only needs a good and high-quality product/service. I don't want to say that I don't care about your thoughts of a successful event. This is wrong! But in this situation I more act as a customer, let's be honest, with a good intentions.
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Perhaps I spoke a bit offensive somewhere, sorry if so. But the truth shouldn't be offensive. Right? Do your own business as you want and good luck with that.
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Man, are you serious? Do you really take all the words literally? Don't you understand sarcasm or exaggeration? In real life, do you also ask for warnings about sarcasm in advance? This is very strange if so. Tbh I spoke without sarcasm or exaggeration. Often there is something more hidden behind the words, and I'm surprised if you don't understand this.
First off, yes, I am serious. How many times do I have to say this before you actually get it? It's a very simple concept to understand...
Yes, of course I understand sarcasm and exaggeration, though there are usually cues and signs which indicate when a person is being sarcastic or exaggerating.
My replies to you have been about the way YOU wrote your words.
There was no "lol" or " :D " or any other indication that you were joking or exeggerating, or being sarcastic...
This all started because YOU said there shouldn't be such "strict rules" which then escalated to YOU having a problem with the word "noob"...
You came in here preaching about what Warmer should and shouldn't be, and I disagree with you.
The whole point WAS to have strict rules! To be for the best of the best! To have anything else would defeat the entire point of this event... This is where your overwhelming sense of entitlement kicked in when I disagreed with you on this.
Even if you don't like using the word noob, this is a Cup on TUS, it isn't a funner... If you don't like the conditions, then don't take part...
This event was SPECIFICALLY advertised as wanting top tier players to parcitipate, not noobs.
Whether it's subjective or objective doesn't matter, TUS Cups are hosted with the creators vision in mind.
If you don't like it, that's fine, you can tell me it's the worst idea in the world, THAT'S FINE! :D
You can give me suggestions! Though you cannot tell me how to run my own event.
In general, I believe that the whole world is very complex and diversified, and it would be weird to say that everything is simple.
Yeah, that has nothing to do with this...
We are talking about a specific event hosted in a specific way, we're not talking about the entire world.
You're grasping at straws here and taking it out of context.
A perfect example of caviling and taking words out of context. Yes, I said so, but I was talking about the culture of freestyling and atmosphere of the Warmer. And yes, there are no noobs here, simply because, as I said before, if you've came to FREESTYLE, then you at least have basic skills. If you have a basic skills, you can't be called a noob objectively (unless there is a goal to insult and humiliate). In addition, the word FREESTYLE itself suggests that a person can move FREELY and has STYLE. A noob can't move freely and can't be stylish (if we're not talking about fashion style ofc :D), because of lacks of skills. This is a special note for you, because I see that you love dictionaries.
Well, the base definition of freestyling means to "improvise".
Though, there are absolutely noobs in Warmers, and everything else in life, both objectively and subjectively. To believe there is not is delusional ignorance.
Anyway, DON'T label anyone a noob, even if YOU THINK that he/she is a noob! I have already listed the reasons several times.
Ok, now you're being ridiculously entitled.
I'll call whoever I want a noob if they are a noob.
Man, your reaction to healthy criticism is really weird. Let me try to explain from the other side. As simple as possible. Look, just imagine that you are a marketer, and I am a customer of your product (by the way, this is a very close comparison to truth, because you are the organizer and I wanted to participate in this event). There were a moments that confused me and I've gave a healthy criticism and left feedback. Instead of thinking about it and accepting this feedback, you've started to argue and tried to prove that I was wrong. But I don't need it, because:
1. I leaved this feedback not for arguing.
2. I know that I'm right and please don't try to force your opinion on me.
Healthy??? :D
You're the one attacking!
You said I shouldn't have made "strict rules" in the beginningso I justified why I should. In my eyes the whole event would be useless without these strict rules.
Then you got offended at the word "noob", you started saying that using this word is bad, when literally it's not a bad thing unless you want it to be.
I'm defending myself here, I'm justifying why I want to host the Cup expecting top tier players.
I will continue to defend until you either give up or accept that I'm not going to think about things the same way as you are and move on.
I just noted a POSSIBLE reasons that could affect the success of the event.
I knew from the very moment I hosted it, that it had a very small chance of success, this is not a surprise to me.
You're trying to tell me things that I already know lol...
You haven't stopped to realize that, I just don't care! :D
If I cannot host this event, the way I want to, then it's not worth my time anyway...
Though, maybe YOU can host a Warmer event, and allow noobs, maybe it'll be popular!
Me personally... I'd be bored out of my mind if I were to tune into professional freestyle skating events and see absolute noobs constantly fail...
Just imagine, the customer have bought the product. He didn’t like something and left a negative review on the website. Then the marketer came there and began to convince him that he was wrong, the product was the best in the world, and the customer was a moron generally. How do you think this is a healthy reaction? How will this reaction affect sales? Just think about it with a "cold head".
We're not talking about an official product that I am selling... I'd have to go through health & safety measures, and whatever other legal stuff in order not to get sued...
This is a video game, more specifically an event where I personally get to decide the rules and if people don't like it, they simply don't play, that's literally it...
I am within my rights to tell you that your "review" is absolute nonsense! :D
What is wrong with you? :D
You need to understand a few things here:
1. "Nowadays" and "20 years ago" - are the different things. Approaches that worked 20 years ago may not work now, and vice versa.
You're stating the obvious, I'm well aware of this! :D
Perhaps I spoke a bit offensive somewhere, sorry if so. But the truth shouldn't be offensive. Right? Do your own business as you want and good luck with that.
Nah, not at all, I get the feeling you're offended by the word "noob", though other than that, it's just another day for me lol.
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Hope I'll be around for your 20000. post on TUS, Komo!
You're bringing too much energy in here, haha
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This all started because YOU said there shouldn't be such "strict rules" which then escalated to YOU having a problem with the word "noob"...
Dude, you're really delusional. I have no problems at all, because I'm just a "customer" here. YOU have a problems here as an organizer, because your event is unpopular. And I was just trying to help by noting some recommendations and feedback.
In addition, I even said here that I'm a noob and I'm fine with that. :D Personally, this word doesn’t trigger me.
You came in here preaching about what Warmer should and shouldn't be, and I disagree with you.
The whole point WAS to have strict rules! To be for the best of the best! To have anything else would defeat the entire point of this event... This is where your overwhelming sense of entitlement kicked in when I disagreed with you on this.
There's pure lie. Whether it was intentional or not, I don’t even know. "Preaching", "overwhelming sense of entitlement" - these are all wrong words. I explained my concept in as much details as possible: I am the customer, who just put a little review. You're the organizer, who can or can not accept that. The rest is your imagination.
You can give me suggestions! Though you cannot tell me how to run my own event.
That's actually what I did, – I gave some suggestions here. Besides I told you 2 times that it's your business and you can do it as you want. Looks like two times is not enough, do you need a third time?
Though, there are absolutely noobs in Warmers, and everything else in life, both objectively and subjectively. To believe there is not is delusional ignorance.
When did I say that I believe noobs don't exist? I just recommended you get rid of the WORD "noob" in your rhetoric, not noobs themselves (unless if you're a killer ofc :D). In order to avoid making the Warmer scheme even more unpopular by scaring people away. There's definitely something wrong with your perception of the general line of the dialogue.
You're the one attacking!
You said I shouldn't have made "strict rules" in the beginningso I justified why I should. In my eyes the whole event would be useless without these strict rules.
Yes, I said that you shouldn't have made so strict rules in the beginning. It's my honest opinion and I emphasized this many times: as you can see, my post with this SUGGESTION contains the word "IMO", I even used CAPS LOCK to emphasize this detail. Imo means "in MY OPINION" if you don't know. You may have a different opinion. But you don’t need to prove me that my opinion was wrong.
Then you got offended at the word "noob", you started saying that using this word is bad, when literally it's not a bad thing unless you want it to be.
I've never been offended at the word noob. Where did you even get such conclusions from? I don't care at all, and as I said, I'm always ready to admit that I'm a noob and I'm fine.
We're not talking about an official product that I am selling... I'd have to go through health & safety measures, and whatever other legal stuff in order not to get sued...
Emm, what? You can't even imagine the described situation. Health, safety measures, legal stuff... What's wrong with you? :D Where did you get this from?
I suggested imagining the simple situation, where you are the marketer and I am the customer, because this is close to reality, because otherwise you're refusing to understand my message. Seems like everyone here has already understood the main message, except you. And only you're continuing to draw the strangest conclusions in your head.
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Dude, you're really delusional. I have no problems at all, because I'm just a "customer" here. YOU have a problems here as an organizer, because your event is unpopular. And I was just trying to help by noting some recommendations and feedback.
Your use of the word "customer" is hilarious! :D
I am not a shop, you are not a customer.
You WERE a participant, however the Cup is closed now, so now you're just a person whinging.
Unless you want to give me money and I'll sell you some feet pics? :P
In addition, I even said here that I'm a noob and I'm fine with that. :D Personally, this word doesn’t trigger me.
Well, actual history and reality would disagree.
I made a statement:
This is not an event for noobs, or anyone who is lazy, or people who are unreliable.
I want hard driven, skilled and reliable people to participate.
Then you replied with:
If we want to "resurrect" rope freestyling and the Warmer scheme, we need to get rid of the word "noob". There are those who can be mentors, and there are those who need a mentor. That's it. Otherwise, this scheme will continue scaring a new people away.
It is 100% clear, you were triggered by the specific word "noob", otherwise you wouldn't have replied specifically talking about the word "noob".
If you want to change your mind, that's fine!
Though that's exactly what happened. Trying to deny is ridiculous when the evidence is right there.
That's actually what I did, – I gave some suggestions here. Besides I told you 2 times that it's your business and you can do it as you want. Looks like two times is not enough, do you need a third time?
No...
You said that in your opinion I shouldn't have made such strict rules.
Now, you might not realize it which is fair enough, however I always was aware that being so strict will put a lot of people off.
However, your suggestion of not having strict rules doesn't align with the vision I had for the Cup.
When I explained my vision to you, you wrote:
If we want to "resurrect" rope freestyling and the Warmer scheme, we need to get rid of the word "noob". There are those who can be mentors, and there are those who need a mentor. That's it. Otherwise, this scheme will continue scaring a new people away.
THAT is the statement that began this lengthy conversation!
You personally believe that the word "noob" is a bad thing, while I do not.
We can end this whole thing right now if we just agree to disagree.
I've already explained what the word literally means, that it isn't inherently bad.
I've even acknowledged the fact that some people DO associate it in a depreciative manner!
Now instead of just accepting that truth, you've went on a rant about how you're a customer and I should accept your "review" lol.
When did I say that I believe noobs don't exist?
Here:
To better explain my point of view, let's remember what a Warmer is and how it has been perceived. Imo, this is a "warm" (sorry for wordplay: warm Warmer, lol), relaxing and player-friendly scheme, where all players can practice their roping skills, tricks, freestyling and have interesting conversations during hours. There are no noobs, this is a place where people just perform what they want to perform and no one competes. I understand that this is the cup and we are here for competitive gameplay, so this is a different case. But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob. Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
I just recommended you get rid of the WORD "noob" in your rhetoric, not noobs themselves (unless if you're a killer ofc :D). In order to avoid making the Warmer scheme even more unpopular by scaring people away. There's definitely something wrong with your perception of the general line of the dialogue.
Ok, you've made a recommendation, and I've refused it.
I like how the word looks in it's written form.
I like how the word sounds in it's spoken form.
I like that the word accurately and innocently describes that a person is a newcomer.
There is no malicious intention unless YOU make it so.
I am blatantly refusing your recommendation, now stop please.
Yes, I said that you shouldn't have made so strict rules in the beginning. It's my honest opinion and I emphasized this many times: as you can see, my post with this SUGGESTION contains the word "IMO", I even used CAPS LOCK to emphasize this detail. Imo means "in MY OPINION" if you don't know. You may have a different opinion. But you don’t need to prove me that my opinion was wrong.
Again, you've made a suggestion, and I've refused that suggestion.
Can you not accept that I don't want to do it the way you want me to do it?
I've never been offended at the word noob. Where did you even get such conclusions from? I don't care at all, and as I said, I'm always ready to admit that I'm a noob and I'm fine.
Again:
To better explain my point of view, let's remember what a Warmer is and how it has been perceived. Imo, this is a "warm" (sorry for wordplay: warm Warmer, lol), relaxing and player-friendly scheme, where all players can practice their roping skills, tricks, freestyling and have interesting conversations during hours. There are no noobs, this is a place where people just perform what they want to perform and no one competes. I understand that this is the cup and we are here for competitive gameplay, so this is a different case. But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob. Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
I'm literally quoting things THAT YOU SAID!
If you want to change your mind, fine! :D
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Your use of the word "customer" is hilarious! :D
I'm a hilarious guy generally.
I am not a shop, you are not a customer.
Yes, you are not a shop, you are a stubborn guy with no imagination and abstract thinking. It is hopeless to explain that this was a comparison that best suited my point of view on this situation.
You WERE a participant, however the Cup is closed now, so now you're just a person whinging.
I never whine, you're delusional again. I simply put my review here with a good intentions. But you started attacking instead of thinking. And for some reason I was trying to calm you down and explain that I didn't want anything bad. But you continue to attack and try to make me an idiot by cavilling to my previous words. Keep in mind, nerd, that english is not my native language. Let's try switching to Russian, and I’ll try to start making an idiot out of you? You have no single chance on this field.
Unless you want to give me money and I'll sell you some feet pics? :P
We are not interested in that on the continent. Why should I see this? Do you walk barefooted on the island and you want bragging about it?
It is 100% clear, you were triggered by the specific word "noob", otherwise you wouldn't have replied specifically talking about the word "noob".
If you want to change your mind, that's fine!
Though that's exactly what happened. Trying to deny is ridiculous when the evidence is right there.
Emm, what happened? Is there evidence of what?
This was my recommendation regarding freestyling and the scheme. And let's do it again for clarity: I said that there are no noobs only in freestyle, I didn’t talk about other schemes, other games, etc. I also explained the reasons in great detail. If a person came to freestyle, he has at least basic skills, unless he was a "random passenger". It's impossible to be a freestyler without some basic skills as well as impossible to solve integrals without knowing the multiplication table. I'll never change my mind, don't even try. You can accept it or not, I don't care.
You personally believe that the word "noob" is a bad thing, while I do not.
I've already explained what the word literally means, that it isn't inherently bad.
I've even acknowledged the fact that some people DO associate it in a depreciative manner!
Now instead of just accepting that truth, you've went on a rant about how you're a customer and I should accept your "review" lol.
Dude, open your eyes! It's not just me who are thinking like this. At least 3 more people (Kradie, FoxHound, Vesuvio) have told you the same thing, only using a different words. You are trying with your english dictionary to break a tradition that has been forming for decades of years. I don't know what's wrong with you. You should try to come into any other game and calling someone a noob. And I will be happy to watch how you will excuse yourself that you didn’t want to offend anyone.
I guess all the noted persons (Kradie, FoxHound, Vesuvio) are those, who could have potentially being interested in the event. Like as if a focus-group or team of testers. You've showed great disrespect for their opinions, and I don’t even know how you can be so careless about your potential audience.
I am blatantly refusing your recommendation
You should have started with this sentence. Then I wouldn't even continue the conversation with you.
Can you not accept that I don't want to do it the way you want me to do it?
Sure.
I'm literally quoting things THAT YOU SAID!
Umm? Yes you are. Do you see the difference between sentences “I've never been offended at the word noob” and “many people could get offended at the word noob”? Where is the contradiction? Or what is your question?
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Yes, you are not a shop, you are a stubborn guy with no imagination and abstract thinking. It is hopeless to explain that this was a comparison that best suited my point of view on this situation.
You're the one who got offended about the word "noob" and demanded I don't use such a word.
You gave me a suggestion about "strict rules", I declined it, you should have left it at that but you didn't, you keep pushing.
You should have left it at that. You keep pushing though.
I am relentless about defending myself in this way until you finally understand it.
I'm stubborn in that I will not stop defending myself, you're stubborn because you keep attacking.
I never whine, you're delusional again. I simply put my review here with a good intentions. But you started attacking instead of thinking. And for some reason I was trying to calm you down and explain that I didn't want anything bad. But you continue to attack and try to make me an idiot by cavilling to my previous words. Keep in mind, nerd, that english is not my native language. Let's try switching to Russian, and I’ll try to start making an idiot out of you? You have no single chance on this field.
Read this entire thread again.
CAREFULLY!
This started when YOU got offended at the word "noob".
You're the one who is trying to tell me what I should and should not do & say.
You're the one attacking me for using the word "noob" and declining your "suggestion" on "strict rules".
You keep grasping at straws, you keep making these outrageous examples that have NOTHING to do with the actual conversation...
Perfect example... Talking about English Vs Russian.
If you were speaking on a Russian forum, then I said "this russian word means this" then you turn round and give me actual evidence that it doesn't... That would be on me for not knowing.
However, we're speaking in English here, Russian has nothing to do with it. It's not even so much the language as your inability to accept a mistake and learn from it.
You associate the word "noob" with a depreciative meaning, I LITERALLY GAVE YOU EVIDENCE that it is not a bad word!
All you need to say is, "Oh, I didn't know that..." and move on.
I am NOT trying to make you look like an idiot, I'm trying to help you learn that "noob" is NOT a bad word, it's a perfectly innocent word to use to accurately describe what a newcomer is!
Emm, what happened? Is there evidence of what?
Evidence of YOU being triggered by the word "noob".
Unless you don't know what the word "triggered" means and/or how to use it properly.
This was my recommendation regarding freestyling and the scheme. And let's do it again for clarity: I said that there are no noobs only in freestyle, I didn’t talk about other schemes, other games, etc. I also explained the reasons in great detail. If a person came to freestyle, he has at least basic skills, unless he was a "random passenger". It's impossible to be a freestyler without some basic skills as well as impossible to solve integrals without knowing the multiplication table. I'll never change my mind, don't even try. You can accept it or not, I don't care.
Dude... Use your common sense here.
If there was no such thing as a noob, then the word wouldn't exist!
It literally means newcomer! They are a beginner!
ANYONE has access to this website. They can create an account and sign up, without even knowing what a "Warmer" is, or even knowing what the word "Freestyle" means.
The reason I originally asked for replays was so that even players I don't know who sign up can send in a replay and it will show me that they have "basic skills" as you call it.
Use some common sense... It's not difficult!
It's impossible for there NOT to be any noobs.
Noobs always have and always will exist.
You can deny it all you want, you're wrong.
Dude, open your eyes! It's not just me who are thinking like this. At least 3 more people (Kradie, FoxHound, Vesuvio) have told you the same thing, only using a different words. You are trying with your english dictionary to break a tradition that has been forming for decades of years. I don't know what's wrong with you. You should try to come into any other game and calling someone a noob. And I will be happy to watch how you will excuse yourself that you didn’t want to offend anyone.
What Kradie said was different to what you and FoxHound said.
Go back and read the thread.
At this point it's pretty obvious this is a communication problem, your misuse of the English language is the main problem here.
Also your inability to remember what you've said before.
You also keep denying things which there is clear evidence of, with your OWN words!
I guess all the noted persons (Kradie, FoxHound, Vesuvio) are those, who could have potentially being interested in the event. Like as if a focus-group or team of testers. You've showed great disrespect for their opinions, and I don’t even know how you can be so careless about your potential audience.
Have you even read this thread?
I specifically said that Kradie was ok with what he said.
I specifically AGREED with what vesuvio said as well!
You clearly don't pay attention and/or read everything properly.
You should have started with this sentence. Then I wouldn't even continue the conversation with you.
I DID refuse your recommendation, but you getting triggered by the word "noob" is what started this ridiculous conversation! :D
Umm? Yes you are. Do you see the difference between sentences “I've never been offended at the word noob” and “many people could get offended at the word noob”? Where is the contradiction? Or what is your question?
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about!
You don't even realize what you wrote, YOUR OWN WORDS!
You wrote that in your opinion, the word is offensive, and that also many people could get offended.
YOUR WORDS:
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
READ IT AGAIN!
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You're the one who got offended about the word "noob" and demanded I don't use such a word.
Lie again. I have already written 2 times that I am not offended at the word noob, and even said that I was ready to admit that I am a noob and I'm okay with that. Stop passing off your speculations as facts, it’s not even funny, it’s already a clinical case.
Also, the word "demanded" is wrong too, I just adviced. How can I demand something from a stranger?
You gave me a suggestion about "strict rules", I declined it, you should have left it at that but you didn't, you keep pushing.
Is there any reason for me to keep pushing? Open your eyes! The event is closed, I’m not a participant, and right now I absolutely don’t care about your rules and your vision, thank your stupidity and unethical behavior towards others and me.
I'm stubborn in that I will not stop defending myself, you're stubborn because you keep attacking.
No, I'm defending myself here, and you keep trying to make an idiot out of me, making stupid jokes and trying to find contradictions in my previous words, but there are no contradictions, so take it easy.
This started when YOU got offended at the word "noob".
This didn’t happen, I’m saying this for the millionth time. These are your fantasies or stupid jokes.
You're the one who is trying to tell me what I should and should not do & say.
Don't think so.
You keep grasping at straws, you keep making these outrageous examples that have NOTHING to do with the actual conversation...
These outrageous examples are as close to reality as possible, and if you don’t understand this, these are just problems of your thinking. I even assume that highly likely you've realized this and you are deliberately rejecting these examples, because you don't want to seem even more stupid.
It's not even so much the language as your inability to accept a mistake and learn from it.
I'm able to admit mistakes. But I don't see any mistakes here. My logic is strong, as well is my position.
You associate the word "noob" with a depreciative meaning, I LITERALLY GAVE YOU EVIDENCE that it is not a bad word!
Where was any evidence? The only evidence that you gave me was your lovely english dictionary. But wake up, dude! Do you live by a dictionary? I assume that 99% of Wormnet players doesn't have an english dictionary on their shelf. And I'm among them. I perfectly understand the meaning of the word noob, I don't need a dictionary for that. You should understand that we have a REAL OPINIONS of people on the one side, and on the other side we have a piece of paper smeared with paint, which almost no one uses. Don't give the words written in your dictionary as immutable truth. Otherwise, I’ll really start calling the orderlies soon. By the way, when was the dictionary published, which year?
I am NOT trying to make you look like an idiot, I'm trying to help you learn that "noob" is NOT a bad word, it's a perfectly innocent word to use to accurately describe what a newcomer is!
1. You're trying to make me look like an idiot when you cavilling to my previous words, trying to find contradictions and irrational logic, but it's not there.
2. I don't need your help. And, as I said, I don't need to be convinced, that is one of the reason why I've put this example with customer and marketer.
Evidence of YOU being triggered by the word "noob".
Where is evidence?
If there was no such thing as a noob, then the word wouldn't exist!
Stop, stop, stop. Don't be silly. I didn't talk about the word noob itself, and of course they exists somewhere: in other schemes, in other games etc. I’m telling you for the 4th time that I meant exclusively freestyling. And I detailed explained why. Also I didn't mean a random passengers, who just come in and out. I don’t know how else I can explain it to you. I believe that people come to freestyle with at least basic skills. I also said this ~3 times already. People with basic skills can barely be called noobs. But even if you really want to, I adviced you don't do it, and explained in detail why.
ANYONE has access to this website. They can create an account and sign up, without even knowing what a "Warmer" is, or even knowing what the word "Freestyle" means.
Oh, really? And how many noobs has joined to your event this way?
What Kradie said was different to what you and FoxHound said.
Sure. Should we write the same way, using the same words? The meaning was general - no one liked the word noob. Let's check the facts:
Imo Noob is supposed to be offensive... <> To use the word noob can both have both positive and negative effect on a person's psyche.
I completely agree with Kradie. Noob is not the same thing as Newbie. Noob is pejorative.
in fact u so silly... we need MORE newbs to alive this game !
But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob.
Right, Vesuvio said something different from Kradie or Foxhound, but he meant almost the same thing as I said before. We both talked about resurrecting the game. He said that we need more newbs, then I said that we shouldn't scare people away by calling noobs and there's a logic: how will we get more newbs if you gonna continue call them noobs, insulting them and scaring away?
Also your inability to remember what you've said before.
You also keep denying things which there is clear evidence of, with your OWN words!
Are you trying to make a fool out of me again? It's impossible, because I'm not a fool. Therefore, it would be better for you to stop this circus show.
You don't even realize what you wrote, YOUR OWN WORDS!
You wrote that in your opinion, the word is offensive, and that also many people could get offended.
Yes that's exactly what I wrote. And I want to ask you again: do you see the difference between sentences: "many people could get offended" and "I've never been offended at the word noob"? "MANY PEOPLE" IS NOT RELATED TO ME! Everyone has their own opinion and point of view. The word noob can't trigger me, as I said before. And if I find this word offensive, this DOES NOT MEAN that I can be offended at it. I find this word a bit offensive FOR OTHERS.
Now tell me, are you really so stupid or are you pretending?
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:D :D :D :D :D :D
You said you were offended, now you claim you never said that, even when it's right there in plain sight.
Next you will be telling us humans don't need oxygen to survive lol.
You literally said something, then deny that you said it, even when the evidence is right there.
You're wrong, the universe knows you're wrong, this thread knows you're wrong.
All you can do now is say "Oops, I made a mistake".
Anyway, I'm so confident I am right, I'd literally kill myself if I was not.
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You said you were offended, now you claim you never said that, even when it's right there in plain sight.
Where and when did I say this?
Next you will be telling us humans don't need oxygen to survive lol.
You literally said something, then deny that you said it, even when the evidence is right there.
Clinical idiotism is an extremely dangerous disease... Cannot be treated. Neither by helping of logic, nor by helping of evidences.
Anyway, I'm so confident I am right, I'd literally kill myself if I was not.
Then you must kill yourself right now. Especially considering that you are sick. Just don’t bite anyone, it might be contagious. :D
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You said you were offended, now you claim you never said that, even when it's right there in plain sight.
Where and when did I say this?
As I've quoted multiple times already:
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
This sentence was taken from this entire post:
To better explain my point of view, let's remember what a Warmer is and how it has been perceived. Imo, this is a "warm" (sorry for wordplay: warm Warmer, lol), relaxing and player-friendly scheme, where all players can practice their roping skills, tricks, freestyling and have interesting conversations during hours. There are no noobs, this is a place where people just perform what they want to perform and no one competes. I understand that this is the cup and we are here for competitive gameplay, so this is a different case. But if we're talking about culture of freestyling and about Warmer in general, we should not scare people away by calling someone a noob. Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Although I also think that being a noob is normal. I still tell everyone that I'm a noob. :D
Why can't a noob just has a try? If a player is truly a noob, he/she will lose in the first game. But what if he/she is a "dark horse" and could surprise everyone?
Exactly!
You literally said that, the post has not been edited yet either so you can't edit it and claim you never said it.
So just in case you try to edit it in the future, I've taken a screenshot to prove it:
(https://i.imgur.com/cYbSNsA.png)
Let's break down the sentence and properly explain what it means, literally, in the English language.
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Imo means "In my opinion", which means that YOU are saying it's something that YOU believe.
Then there is comma, which indicates a small break, a soft pause, it separates words, clauses or ideas within a sentence.
Then there is the word "noob" in quotation marks, which specifies that you are speaking about THAT word specifically. This tells us, the audience or anyone else reading that sentence that this is something that you personally believe, which others might feel differently about. You wrote it as an opinion, not a fact.
Then you continued after the quote with "word is a bit offensive". Which solidifies that you think that word is offensive. You could have said "very offensive" or "barely offensive" but it's still offensive on some level.
Then there is a comma, again, a separation of words, clauses or ideas within a sentence.
Then you wrote "many people could get offended", with the keyword being "could" which indicates that other people may be offended by the word "noob" as well. It doesn't mean they definitely are, or that anyone actually is, just that it's possible!
Edit:
You've literally made a statement there indicating that YOU find the word offensive.
I will keep pointing out the truth, what actually happened in this shared reality we all live in, if you keep denying it.
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As I've quoted multiple times already:
Yeah, cool, I saw that multiple times too.
This sentence was taken from this entire post:
Perfect!
You literally said that, the post has not been edited yet either so you can't edit it and claim you never said it.
So just in case you try to edit it in the future, I've taken a screenshot to prove it:
Don't worry, I don't do that kind of things. Evenmore I don't need that it this case, because my point is strong and unbreakable.
Let's break down the sentence and properly explain what it means, literally, in the English language.
Imo means "In my opinion", which means that YOU are saying it's something that YOU believe.
Nice, keep going!
Then there is the word "noob" in quotation marks, which specifies that you are speaking about THAT word specifically.
Exactly. Your deductive abilities are beginning to please me.
Then you continued after the quote with "word is a bit offensive". Which solidifies that you think that word is offensive. You could have said "very offensive" or "barely offensive" but it's still offensive on some level.
STOP AT THIS MOMENT! Now let's do it again: I find this word a bit offensive FOR OTHERS. I wrote this to you in the next posts, but you seem to have gone blind. Let's check the facts what I've said:
I've never been offended at the word noob. Where did you even get such conclusions from? I don't care at all, and as I said, I'm always ready to admit that I'm a noob and I'm fine.
do you see the difference between sentences: "many people could get offended" and "I've never been offended at the word noob"? "MANY PEOPLE" IS NOT RELATED TO ME! Everyone has their own opinion and point of view. The word noob can't trigger me, as I said before. And if I find this word offensive, this DOES NOT MEAN that I can be offended at it. I find this word a bit offensive FOR OTHERS.
Now explain me, nerd, why I can’t have my own opinion about others and their potential reaction to a certain word? Is this prohibited in English language? Explain in detail. I know you can do it perfectly.
Then you wrote "many people could get offended", with the keyword being "could" which indicates that other people may be offended by the word "noob" as well. It doesn't mean they definitely are, or that anyone actually is, just that it's possible!
Not AS WELL and not OTHER PEOPLE. This is your speculation. I wrote "many people" in this post.
I literally meant that MANY people may be offended by the word "noob", and I did not relate myself with the MANY PEOPLE, as I said next.
In addition, right after this sentence (in the same post) I wrote this:
Although I also think that being a noob is normal. I still tell everyone that I'm a noob. :D
Now explain me, nerd, how can I get offended at word noob if I've said that I think that being noob is normal and I tell everyone that I'm a noob?
Seems like you're very selective about only certain details, that you'd like to note. But you literally close your eyes on the rest. Or maybe you're just blind, I'm not sure. Stop your speculations.
You've literally made a statement there indicating that YOU find the word offensive.
Yes I find this word offensive FOR OTHERS, but PERSONALLY I've never get offended at this word.
You lose. Checkmate. Let's go our separate ways.
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Listen lol...
If you wanted to say that you find it offensive for others, then you should have said:
"I find the word "noob" offensive for others."
You didn't say that though, you said this:
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
You could have also said:
"I don't find the word "noob" offensive, though others may!"
You didn't say that though, you said this:
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
The whole point I am making is that this conversation started because you said you found the word offensive!
Now you're trying to deny it! :D :D :D :D :D
If you don't find it offensive, great! That's brilliant because it's not a bad word :)
You did say that first though, even if it was a mistake!
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(https://i.giphy.com/media/ZA0GUadZdAqyWyUGdg/giphy.webp)
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https://wormtube.worms2d.info/27/i_m_a_noob
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I knew that video was coming! :D
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If you wanted to say that you find it offensive for others, then you should have said:
You don't have the right to tell me what I should do and what I shouldn't do. I said it as I said it. Moreover my point was clearly understandable from the context unless you're an idiot. In addition, right after this sentence I said that: "Although I also think that being a noob is normal." How can I be offended at things that I consider as normal?
You could have also said:
"I don't find the word "noob" offensive, though others may!"
No, I couldn't. Because I find this word offensive, as I said. And then you could like to ask: "Offensive for whom?" And I've answered you in advance, continuing the sentence after the comma:
"many people could get offended". But I haven't said that I MIGHT BE offended at the word. Also I haven't said that I WAS offended or I HAVE EVER BEEN offended at the word. Where are these facts? Does not exist. There are only your speculations. Only you have understood it this (wrong) way, and you're trying to prove to everyone that your point is literally true. But with each next post your arguments become more and more pathetic.
Now you're trying to deny it! :D :D :D :D :D
I'm not trying, I've categorically rejected it using arguments, facts and logic.
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So, ladies and gentlemen, you have all witnessed how double standards works:
1. I wrote a feedback and my honest opinion about the event.
2. You categorically rejected my review instead of thinking about it (although that's normal, the thinking process is not for everyone) and began to convince me for some reason, trying to prove that I was wrong. Although I have repeatedly said that I do not need to be convinced. I've put this feedback not for arguing. It looks like as if a marketer began convincing a buyer and proving that he is a fool and his opinion is worthless. This is just stupid and can ruin the seller's reputation.
3. Then you continue attacking and convincing me, using various stupid jokes, but these jokes has came back to you like a boomerang.
4. Then you start testing the narrative, as if I'm offended at the word noob. Let's see how you did it:
So, all in all, if you are not comfortable with the word "noob", then that's your problem, not mine.
In the beginning you was talking about this as an assumption, using sentence "if you are not comfortable with the word noob", which literally means that you was not 100% sure about it.
I get the feeling you're offended by the word "noob", though other than that, it's just another day for me lol.
Next you've got a feeling that I'm offended at the word noob. Using the word "feeling" meant that you was talking about it not as a fact, but as your own feeling, premonition, or assumption.
You're the one who got offended about the word "noob" and demanded I don't use such a word.
Next you said about it as if it was a completed fact, besides even noting that I am THE ONLY ONE, who was offended. Very cunningly your assumptions and feelings was turned out into facts. But these are not real facts, only your speculations. Facts requires proofs. The only thing you are trying to present as a proof is your lovely english dictionary. You can't justify your point of view using only the one dictionary. It doesn't work this way. And I have already explained why so.
5. Then you failed on almost all fronts, and you've started cavilling to my previous words, especially about noobs, where I said that "many people could get offended". You misunderstood the meaning of the sentence and began proving as if your point of view was the absolute, literal truth. I overwhelmed you with facts, arguments, abstract examples and logic connections for defending my point and showing that you misunderstood. It haven't worked, because you cavil only to certain words, that could potentially get benefit for you in arguing, but you close your eyes to everything else. It is truly DELUSIONAL IGNORANCE. Congratulations, this label has came back to you like a boomerang as well. Moreover, this is a truly DOUBLE STANDARDS too.
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THE FINAL CONCLUSIONS:
The person is stubborn, arrogancy and also sick and he cannot be treated by arguments and logic.
I guess the experiment is over. I'm going out. Thanks for watching and see you next time! ;)
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Since you're going in circles flashR, I am going to repeat this post until you admit you made a mistake, or stop replying.
Your choice, I don't care either way! :D
Listen lol...
If you wanted to say that you find it offensive for others, then you should have said:
"I find the word "noob" offensive for others."
You didn't say that though, you said this:
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Exactly!
You could have also said:
"I don't find the word "noob" offensive, though others may!"
You didn't say that though, you said this:
Imo, "noob" word is a bit offensive, many people could get offended.
Exactly!
The whole point I am making is that this conversation started because you said you found the word offensive!
Now you're trying to deny it! :D :D :D :D :D
If you don't find it offensive, great! That's brilliant because it's not a bad word :)
You did say that first though, even if it was a mistake!
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I miss the messages from this thread.. come on