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Title: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 04, 2023, 08:13 AM
Please approve. Thank you.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Lancelot on October 04, 2023, 01:59 PM
weee  :D

I am in
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 05, 2023, 05:13 PM
The cup has begun! 5 days remain of group stage! Get it on with! *Whips*

Good luck and have fun :)
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Lancelot on October 05, 2023, 06:21 PM
again I have to rotate the globe to play my matches :(

damn
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheWalrus on October 05, 2023, 06:26 PM
again I have to rotate the globe to play my matches :(

damn
I understand your pain, playing against people like sock, jago, kaleu, camper, me must be difficult, I know its hard for us too
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 05, 2023, 07:08 PM
I understand your pain, playing against people like sock, jago, kaleu, camper, me must be difficult, I know its hard for us too
I could perhaps next time sort people by region. Provided if there are no objections. Although maybe it has its drawbacks as well, same opponents.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Big Billy on October 06, 2023, 09:46 AM
I understand your pain, playing against people like sock, jago, kaleu, camper, me must be difficult, I know its hard for us too

USA! USA! USA!
Oh sorry wrong thread.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Rocket on October 06, 2023, 11:27 AM
I understand your pain, playing against people like sock, jago, kaleu, camper, me must be difficult, I know its hard for us too

well ye ofc it's not ezpz to match your schedules with bros but nothing comes without effort. being on military service in Ukraine, I'm on duty 24/7 and manage to play my games with each of our bros. even though I'm permanently sleepy and exhausted, leave alone my ruined nervous system. actually the game and wormers is what gives me additional energy and enthusiasm here
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Free on October 06, 2023, 01:43 PM
Run and you'll live -- at least a while.

And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives..  but they'll never take our freedom!!!

FREEDOM!!!!

Oh sorry wrong thread.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 07, 2023, 05:47 PM
Medals added! Thank you Big Billy! <3
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Lancelot on October 09, 2023, 06:14 PM
I guess no one minds if I look after the cups sometimes?  :)
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 09, 2023, 08:04 PM
Knockout has begun.. Technically already begun.. 6 days remains. Hf & Gl everyone.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 15, 2023, 08:32 AM
14 hours and 58 minutes remains of knockout stage.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Rocket on October 16, 2023, 04:11 AM
dear mod, how much time do we have to play for gold, silver and bronze?
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 16, 2023, 04:52 AM
dear mod, how much time do we have to play for gold, silver and bronze?
24 hour both.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Rocket on October 16, 2023, 08:27 AM
already pm'ed Camper on TUS and Facebook. Hope we play it this evening
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 17, 2023, 05:09 PM
The cup is now over and the final was not played. I do not fault Kalue and Walrus they tried. I have chosen to proceed Kalue as winner of this cup. If you do not like this, be more vigilant next time.

Thank you all for playing this cup. See you next time!
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheWalrus on October 17, 2023, 05:52 PM
Can't we just play the final?  I showed up at the agreed time yesterday, Kaleu couldn't because of circumstances beyond his control.  I don't see the harm in actually playing the game?  I was looking forward to playing Kaleu here.  Was 5-0 in hysteria cup finals, this is a really lame way to "lose."  If not, can mods please remove my medal I was "awarded."  I could see this decision if I didn't make an efort to play the game, but that clearly isn't the case here.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Lancelot on October 17, 2023, 05:54 PM
It's been a long time since I've seen such injustice, an unplayed final and free medals LOL
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheKomodo on October 17, 2023, 05:59 PM
Wait...

Why is Kaleu getting the medal if he was the one who didn't show?

Don't worry, if there is not a valid enough reason, this decision can be reveresed and dealt with more appropriately.

We will figure this out together.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheWalrus on October 17, 2023, 06:01 PM
Wait...

Why is Kaleu getting the medal if he was the one who didn't show?

We will figure this out together.
Probably because he played his semifinal match earlier.  Kaleu is willing to play me today but Kradie has his own agenda I think.  To be fair, Kaleu couldnt play because of circumstance outside his control, lightning storm near his house.  I believe he would have showed up if he could.  If the decision was reversed, I still wouldn't like it, it wouldn't be fair to Kaleu.  I don't want the gold medal or the silver medal from this, just want to play the final of the cup.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 17, 2023, 06:04 PM
It isn't fun for me neither. I didn't even like to have to have done this. But deadline is deadline and there is going to be reprucussions. There is going to be unhappy people. We can remove gold and silver no problem but I won't accepst games played after deadline. Sounds extremely unfair right? Well it is life. You can't send in exam paper after deadline and get a result. The truth is, sometime things are out of control and we must face and accept it and move on.

If games would be played after deadline what would be the point?

If someone can convince me with unbiased arguments I can be open for consideration.

If I sound strict well that's because I am. Finals are VERY Important thing.

Probably because he played his semifinal match earlier.  Kaleu is willing to play me today but Kradie has his own agenda I think.  To be fair, Kaleu couldnt play because of circumstance outside his control, lightning storm near his house.  I believe he would have showed up if he could.  If the decision was reversed, I still wouldn't like it, it would be fair to Kaleu.  I don't want the gold medal or the silver medal from this, just want to play the final of the cup.
I have no agendas with anyone. That's paranoia Walrus.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheWalrus on October 17, 2023, 06:08 PM
I have no agendas with anyone. That's paranoia Walrus.
Ending the cup without allowing us to have a few hours extension to play the game, is by definition, an agenda.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 17, 2023, 06:10 PM
Ending the cup without allowing us to have a few hours extension to play the game, is by definition, an agenda.
Why would i have an agenda? I like both you and Kalue, i got no quarrels with you two. In fact, my decisive action has probably hurt me more. So how does me having an agenda even benefit me? It doesn't make sense. This is a matter of principle. You had a deadline to follow, you both did, and things happened. That's it.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheKomodo on October 17, 2023, 06:14 PM
Kradie, I understand and sympathize with your desire for strict deadlines.

I would also argue that I'm more personally bothered than anyone else in the history of this game for being let down when people don't show up, play their games on time, or even make an effort.

It's frustrating beyond belief when people don't make an effort or prioritize their matches.

It's completely different when there are mitigating circumstances though, such as this.

You are within your rights as the Cup moderator to end it, however you have given the medal to the wrong person.

The Final is a separate match, Walrus showed up, Kaleu didn't.

There are 3 suitable options:




Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheWalrus on October 17, 2023, 06:21 PM
Kradie, I understand and sympathize with your desire for strict deadlines.

I would also argue that I'm more personally bothered than anyone else in the history of this game for being let down when people don't show up, play their games on time, or even make an effort.

It's frustrating beyond belief when people don't make an effort or prioritize their matches.

It's completely different when there are mitigating circumstances though, such as this.

You are within your rights as the Cup moderator to end it, however you have given the medal to the wrong person.

The Final is a separate match, Walrus showed up, Kaleu didn't.

There are 3 suitable options:

  • Extend the deadline and let them play their match tonight.
  • Reverse the decision so nobody gets a medal and just close the Cup.
  • Give thewalrus the Gold medal as he's the one who showed up.
Just to be clear, I do not want and will not accept the gold medal if no game is played.  Kaleu and I plan to play the final tonight.  The rest is up to Kradie.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kradie on October 17, 2023, 06:25 PM
Kradie, I understand and sympathize with your desire for strict deadlines.

I would also argue that I'm more personally bothered than anyone else in the history of this game for being let down when people don't show up, play their games on time, or even make an effort.

It's frustrating beyond belief when people don't make an effort or prioritize their matches.

It's completely different when there are mitigating circumstances though, such as this.

You are within your rights as the Cup moderator to end it, however you have given the medal to the wrong person.

The Final is a separate match, Walrus showed up, Kaleu didn't.

There are 3 suitable options:

  • Extend the deadline and let them play their match tonight.
  • Reverse the decision so nobody gets a medal and just close the Cup.
  • Give thewalrus the Gold medal as he's the one who showed up.
2.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheKomodo on October 17, 2023, 06:32 PM
Ok, that's fair enough.

So Kradie has decided to give no medals to 1st and 2nd.

Though, you guys should still play tonight and post it somewhere so we know who the real winner was!

I'd like to stream but I don't think Kaleu would like that.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Big Billy on October 17, 2023, 06:43 PM
Kinda childish. They are willing to play the game, just missing the deadline by some days/hours whatever.
So no one gets medals, so I made them or nothing. Thanks. Bye.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: TheKomodo on October 17, 2023, 06:47 PM
I can understand that frustration Billy, though I understand and empathize with the frustration of TheWalrus more.

The most important aspect of recorded statistics in competitive events for me personally is, the truth!

Getting medals you didn't earn or deserve, or having losses on your record that you didn't actually lose, is absurd! Or aliases messing up ranking or any other nonsense...

I'm hoping MonkeyIsland can introduce something that gives players the option to forfeit from the stage they are at exit, without having a loss show up on their win % record.

There is a difference between losing an actual match, and not playing an actual match. There should be something to reflect that more accurately.
Title: Re: Cup #1218, Speed Cup #4 Hysteria
Post by: Kaleu on October 18, 2023, 04:12 AM
I felt I should write something here so let's go...

First, I think Kradie decided to give me the gold medal because Walrus played his semi-final match after the deadline for knockouts.
Second, I think it's totally valid that the gold medal should be given to Walrus, I've had external problems, storms, water floods and deaths have occurred here in the last month and in the last week, the south of Brazil is under water, literally, so it was dangerous to turn on electronic equipment because the power outages were frequent.

Thirdly, I agreed to play today, not just this cup final, but all the other cups that I'm pending with him, but before I got home I had boxing practice, and I had a sprained wrist, so I needed to rest and cancelled with him.
Fourthly, I respect Kradie's way of managing the cup, he's always been like that and this time I don't see why that would be an exception, although we all played the matches and showed interest in all stages of this cup, nobody was lazy or refused to play, we tried to finish the matches and 24 hours really is a very restricted space to finish.

My final thoughts are: If we can play, we'll play, even if no medal is awarded, but if we have to give someone a gold medal without a match, let him have it. And no, I don't want to stream my matches live.

Today we will do it around 22gmt.