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Title: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 08, 2023, 07:34 AM
Academy of Artillery #2 is finally here! As promised for December 😛

After long consideration I've decided to stick with the 5 common schemes we all know and love! JpBnG is too niche and I don't personally feel any other scheme is worthy... Yet...

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Mega`Adnan on December 08, 2023, 08:40 AM
2nd!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 08, 2023, 04:18 PM
Prize pool has been updated!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Blaskowicz on December 08, 2023, 06:55 PM
I enjoyed a lot watching some matches of the previous cup, so I'll give it a try as a player now! Dunno how far I can go but let's hope to have fun and provide at least some good shots! :D
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Rocket on December 08, 2023, 06:55 PM
Have been waiting for this one. Top Friday news!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 09, 2023, 05:38 PM
Haha yes, it is finally here! Though I don't expect the same amount of interest as the first with it being December and a few of the players from that event being inactive now.

Hoping to still get 12 players! Even 8 would be a good start, though I'll leave signups open for a while.

For those signing up, would you prefer starting before or after Christmas?

:)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Rocket on December 09, 2023, 07:15 PM
It's better to start AFTER Christmas for me
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 09, 2023, 08:17 PM
So thanks to a donation from TheWalrus and a donation from Korydex, the prize money has been raised and there are 2 special prizes now!

Check the description for more info! 8)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on December 09, 2023, 08:27 PM
After Christmas for me, I'm moving house at the end of month
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 10, 2023, 05:00 AM
So far a few have said they would prefer to wait until after christmas.

I guess we can just leave the signups open until then if we end up waiting, more time to hype it up and make it epic!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 12, 2023, 02:43 PM
As is tradition, with AoA Cups so far, I've tailored a map pack specifically for this epic event!

Enjoy! The Sonic Forts Map Pack:

Green Hill Fort:
(https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/975/thumbs1/21044.png)

Marble Fort:
(https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/975/thumbs1/21046.png)

Spring Yard Fort:
(https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/975/thumbs1/21049.png)

Labyrinth Fort:
(https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/975/thumbs1/21045.png)

Star Light Fort:
(https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/975/thumbs1/21050.png)

Scrap Brain Fort:
(https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/975/thumbs1/21047.png)

Special Fort:
(https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/975/thumbs1/21048.png)

----> DOWNLOAD HERE <---- (https://www.tus-wa.com/maps/download/mappack-591/)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 04:28 PM
Can Aerial scheme be changed to the one with sudden death?

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2175/

Link in the cup description page doesn't work anyway.. That should be a sign! :)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on December 13, 2023, 04:37 PM
Can Aerial scheme be changed to the one with sudden death?

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2175/

Link in the cup description page doesn't work anyway.. That should be a sign! :)
pretty sure we played SD aerial last AoA cup
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 13, 2023, 04:39 PM
Can Aerial scheme be changed to the one with sudden death?

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2175/

Link in the cup description page doesn't work anyway.. That should be a sign! :)

It does have sudden death, the link in the cup description does work:

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-5369/
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 04:44 PM
It does have sudden death, the link in the cup description does work:

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-5369/

(https://i.postimg.cc/gcqkLNcg/Screenshot-6.png) (https://postimg.cc/G9t1ZPyD)

Link works for you only.

Ah, so you changed my scheme.. Ok.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on December 13, 2023, 04:50 PM
It does have sudden death, the link in the cup description does work:

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-5369/
Shows up as private to me too, although im not sure what that means, never seen before
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 13, 2023, 04:52 PM
Wow, I had no idea it was set to private, that's mad! No wonder I had no idea when it works for me lol.

Yeah though, it's updated now!

When we made AoA last time, we changed the Aerial scheme due to your request actually, you didn't join anyway but the changes were welcome.

No crates, 3s fuse for mines and water rise.

We forgot the crates part, and just went with it, this time, it's fixed though!



Edit - We're probably going to change the Fort scheme as well so it's faster without SD.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:16 PM
Komo, don't say "we" when we all know you think about yourself. :)

Yeah, crates in Aerial should be discussed around community. I personally left them in there cause it was just another way to show this scheme does not have that many similarities to Hyst. Wouldn't mind crates gone tbh! Or discuss with community about leaving them but changing percentages of probabilities for some weapons/utilities to appear. I'm all up for making Aerial as competitive as it can get, as long as it doesn't become 3sec Hysteria.

In your "K" scheme, though, you left infinite uzi, 4 mortars, 4 petrols.. Which tells me you probably never even played this scheme properly. If you did, you'd know that these weapons totally kill the "sudden death" meaning to it, making it way too noob friendly and not competitive at all.

So please refrain of saying you "fixed" something which Walrus, oldsock, Salty, Jago, SiD and dozens of us really tested and fixed almost decade ago.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 13, 2023, 05:37 PM
Komo, don't say "we" when we all know you think about yourself. :)

1st of all, you've been here 2 minutes in this Cup and you're trying to start drama already? What's with the feeble attempt at a low wit insult? Do you just go around everywhere with a chip on your shoulder lol?

Here is an idea, keep your own paranoid thoughts to yourself perhaps?

I said "We" because let's just pretend that only you and I were involved, which equals "we". "We" came to the decision/solution/idea/whatever together, that's what matters.

However, there were some other players I spoke to at the time and asked for their opinion. Not that you are bothered or would even care to ask.

Yeah, crates in Aerial should be discussed around community. I personally left them in there cause it was just another way to show this scheme does not have that many similarities to Hyst. Wouldn't mind crates gone tbh! Or discuss with community about leaving them but changing percentages of probabilities for some weapons/utilities to appear. I'm all up for making Aerial as competitive as it can get, as long as it doesn't become 3sec Hysteria.

Crates create RnG, so that's an automatic NOPE!

In your "K" scheme, though, you left infinite uzi, 4 mortars, 4 petrols.. Which tells me you probably never even played this scheme properly. If you did, you'd know that these weapons totally kill the "sudden death" meaning to it, making it way too noob friendly and not competitive at all.

What does "properly" mean? Do I need to play with you and your band of professional merrymen for it to be considered proper?

Also, I got the idea to change the scheme from YOU. At the time you mentioned taking out crates and adding rising water, you did not mention anything about taking away uzi, mortars and petrols.

Here is your quote:

If there's gonna be changes in Aerial scheme (more competitive one with sudden death, 3sec mines etc.) let us know. I'd like to join.

One of the best medals I've seen, btw. Gj

I made the changes you suggested, so to be honest, you've only got yourself to blame here for not going into extra detail. :D

So please refrain of saying you "fixed" something which Walrus, oldsock, Salty, Jago, SiD and dozens of us really tested and fixed almost decade ago.

So no, I won't refrain from saying the problem was fixed, when the problem actually being spoken about WAS fixed.

The problem is that I personally forgot to remove random crates from the scheme, and THAT problem was fixed, which is why I said it was fixed.

Your problem, which is a different problem, and as stated, is YOUR problem until you can convince me that it's, OUR problem.

I saw ZERO complaints about the Aerial scheme last time, other than crates being left on however didn't want to change the scheme again halfway into the Cup.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:50 PM
I made the changes you suggested, so to be honest, you've only got yourself to blame here for not going into extra detail. :D

I suggested you to use the scheme that's on TUS since 2016.
You rather made your "K" variant and left uzi,mortars and petrols inside, while talking about competitivity..


I said "We" because let's just pretend that only you and I were involved, which equals "we". "We" came to the decision/solution/idea/whatever together, that's what matters.

Sure, sure. ;)

Have a good one.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on December 13, 2023, 05:54 PM
I'm liking this cup and it hasn't even started.  We haven't had good sensei/komo drama in awhile, this seems promising.

Re-join cup Toni you coward!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:59 PM
Haha <3 You know I would, James, but seeing these Aerial settings threw me off a bit. We're going backwards, after all these years..


Btw.. https://giphy.com/clips/southpark-episode-4-season-8-south-park-eWEh4b43KegplYUf4a
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 13, 2023, 06:02 PM
I suggested you to use the scheme that's on TUS since 2016.

When? Where? In the AoA Cup you only posted 1 comment there, and it's the comment I quoted.

Then after I made those changes I DM'd you on Discord and this was the conversation:

Quote
Komito — 03/11/2023 8:27 PM
I updated the scheme for Aerial, there is only 3 spots left, so if you want in, better hurry!
Komito — 03/12/2023 12:49 AM
2 spots left.
Sensei — 03/12/2023 2:44 AM
Thx for reaching out. Next 6 months I'm gonna be afk from main pc apparently due to new job,so better for someone else to take that spot. I can't play competitively on laptop. Totally forgot about that detail yesterday. But yeah, good switch for the cup. SD scheme is the better choice for ranked games.

You rather made your "K" variant and left uzi,mortars and petrols inside, while talking about competitivity..

The only reason I made the "K" variant was so people knew it was a variant and there was a direct link in the Cup so that people get the right scheme for the Cup.

Now, uzi and mortars I couldn't care less about so if anyone else has issue with those I'll remove them, but petrols, I fail to see how that makes the scheme less competitive combined with water rise, especially when there are only 4 of them. I strongly disagree so will be keeping them in.

A lot of people say the same thing about Hysteria that it shouldn't have petrols and I disagree with them too.

Either way, this has nothing to do with competitiveness and more to do with taste, as with or without petrol the scheme is still highly competitive and skilled, and that's a literal fact.

Edit - That being said...

I'm not playing, but watching, so if everyone is ok taking out petrols, mortars and uzi, then I'll do it.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 15, 2023, 10:57 AM
When? Where? In the AoA Cup you only posted 1 comment there, and it's the comment I quoted.

When I said "sd scheme", I obviously guessed you will figure out there's one already made.Hence the discord conversation.

We talked about Aerial SD couple of times, played it together and you streamed couple of Aerial cups (finals at least) in recent years.. all that was hosted with mentioned scheme. Thought your attention span was a bit higher, it really is my fault.
 
Host whatever you think is good for the cup
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 15, 2023, 06:22 PM
When I said "sd scheme", I obviously guessed you will figure out there's one already made.Hence the discord conversation.

We talked about Aerial SD couple of times, played it together and you streamed couple of Aerial cups (finals at least) in recent years.. all that was hosted with mentioned scheme. Thought your attention span was a bit higher, it really is my fault.

Well then there's your problem, you assumed.

Though I need to clear a few things up as well:



Host whatever you think is good for the cup

Thanks for your kind and polite advice! I never would have thought of this otherwise! :)

There was me trying to secretly sabotage my own Cup like an evil genius trying to annoy everyone without them realizing it!

Over 24 years playing Worms Armageddon, all that time was surely a waste where I learned nothing about the game lol!



Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 15, 2023, 06:34 PM
  • This is a TUS Cup, these events can be hosted using whatever schemes & rules the host wishes to use.

Ah, okay.. You were saying "we" in the beginning.
Sounded funny. Thanks for explanation. :)


Komo, don't say "we" when we all know you think about yourself. :)
In the future, pls listen to this advice.. Cause it felt like I was talking with gollum for a moment.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 15, 2023, 06:41 PM
Ah, okay.. You were saying "we" in the beginning.

It's interesting that you try all these subtle techniques with the little dig comments to try and make people look bad.

Though regarding what you said there, anyone with half a brain can see why those things aren't related to each other.

You have a major chip on your shoulder and you need to stop.

You've made your point you don't like this scheme, what more do you need to achieve here?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 15, 2023, 06:50 PM
Yeah, we made our points and then you needed to "explain me few things".. Sorry, but things like these:
Though I need to clear a few things up as well:
...just get me going.


Although, my point was not do I like or don't like this scheme. Point was it's not competitive as you say it is, since few weapons are still in there and they allow players to take advantage of noobish tactics when game is about to end. I do hope you'll consider new Aerial league scheme when it's up and running.


Coming for you, James!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 15, 2023, 06:54 PM
You're doing it again! :D

Who hurt you Sensei???

Edit - Actually while we are on the subject of scheme changes...

You may be aware we're changing the Fort scheme, or trying to at least lol.

So far, we've testing it with 100hp worms instead of 200hp worms, took banana out, no sudden death and no girder pack.

James and I are fans so far, Rocket seems ok but says it feels a lot different which it does because it focuses more on artillery BnG skill instead of SD stuff because it was always ending with water and plops that way with less precise shots.

We haven't came to a conclusion yet.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on December 15, 2023, 07:19 PM
Haven't played Forts since 2015. probably. I'm up for trying that new scheme tomorrow if anyone is around.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: StJimmy on December 15, 2023, 07:49 PM
It's time to once again make POs just to mess with Komito lul
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 16, 2023, 01:38 AM
Online now testing scheme with Jago, beep me on Discord or AG under "CWA" if you wanna join us.

Sensei, if James around as well we could do some 2v2 tests with the new maps. :)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 16, 2023, 06:12 PM
Ok nice we've got 12 players!

Though seeing as those who shared their thoughts want to wait until after Christmas to begin we will keep the signups open until Christmas day on the 25th.

Hopefully we can get 16! Though 12 was the goal really.  :D

We're still working on the Fort scheme, we've made yet another few updates:


Will be testing this out tonight!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Big Billy on December 18, 2023, 12:34 PM
I just joined now since it will open games after christmas.
I will be unavailable until mid january. But then I still have 2 weeks for the games.. Should work out.
Just to let you guys know.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 18, 2023, 12:45 PM
Yeah that's fine Billy, appreciate the advanced notice!

Enjoy your Christmas & holidays!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 23, 2023, 10:32 AM
Morning all!

We're looking for 3 more players for the Cup! If we can't get 16 we'll have to start with 12 which means last in first out!

Let's hope we get 16 instead. :)

Still trying to make changes to the Fort scheme, so far we have:

80hp worms.
No banana bombs.
No girder pack.
Sudden death does nothing other than change background and music.
Retreat time is now 4s - 3s was not enough worms were too open, 5s was too much worms could hide too deep, 4s feels good so far!
Only 1 sheep launcher and 1 homing missile now both decreased from 2 each.
Removed mortars as they feel pointless.

Considering removing 1 HHG, but 2 feels fun at the moment, need to test more.

If you want to help test this scheme or have any suggestions please don't be shy!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: LeTotalKiller on December 23, 2023, 06:29 PM
You know what, I'll give it a try! I'm not familiar with all of the schemes listed but let's see how it goes.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 23, 2023, 11:00 PM
You know what, I'll give it a try! I'm not familiar with all of the schemes listed but let's see how it goes.

Sweet! You're welcome buddy! Eager to see you in action.

For all those who have signed up already, we have 15 players! When we have 16 I'll be doing the pairs but we won't actually start for about another week.

Please keep in mind that the scheme for Fort will be changing so once the pairs are made DO NOT play your match yet until you have the latest version!

I will also send out a PM to all participants once the pairs are made.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: sock on December 24, 2023, 04:44 PM
I can play if someone can't
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on December 24, 2023, 05:08 PM
Monster gamer tita :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on December 24, 2023, 05:49 PM
Ae walrus!

there we go again

    \0/
    (  )
        8=======================================D  ~    ~    ~
     /\
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 24, 2023, 06:25 PM
Increasing players to 20!

oldsock wants to join, MetoNatoR and Triad will join also.

Just need 1 more, then we're good to go!

Forts K & Aerial K schemes have both been updated - MAKE SURE TO DOWNLOAD LATEST VERSION!

If we reach 20, I'll add another bonus prize!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: LeTotalKiller on December 24, 2023, 08:52 PM
I can play if someone can't

come and join, there's additional room! :)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 25, 2023, 04:28 PM
Sock did join again but has apparently left again for like the 3rd time  :D

We will start when we reach 20, 1 spot left!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 25, 2023, 09:59 PM
2 more bonus prizes added to prize pool!

Group Stage has began!

Group 1:

Free
tita
KinslayeR
stoner6
Rocket

Group 2:

Triad
Zwitter
Blaskowicz
Filla
Ledan

Group 3:

sock
MeTonaTOR
StJimmy
Big Billy
Mega`Adnan

Group 4:

LeTotalKiller
blitzed
Jago
Sensei
TheWalrus

Please try to organize your stream in advance to be streamed! Of course it's not mandatory until the Knockout stage!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Triad on December 25, 2023, 11:13 PM
@Zwitter, @Blaskowicz, @Filla, @Ledan

When can you guys play? I work as a freelancer, so I am very flexible with time. I can play between 10:00-20:00 GMT/UTC, but please give me a specific day and time so I can plan my working hours.

Also, I go to sleep at 22:00 GMT/UTC, so it would be better if we can complete our games before that.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Zwitter on December 26, 2023, 10:13 AM
I can play at 20:00
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: LeTotalKiller on December 26, 2023, 12:42 PM
@blitzed @Jago @Sensei @TheWalrus

Hey guys, when are you available? I’m available almost everyday, from 8 GMT to 22/23 GMT, so I’m rather flexible. I hope we can find times where Komo can stream our games.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on December 26, 2023, 03:32 PM
@blitzed @Jago @Sensei @TheWalrus

Hey guys, when are you available? I’m available almost everyday, from 8 GMT to 22/23 GMT, so I’m rather flexible. I hope we can find times where Komo can stream our games.
ill be on most of the day, have the day off.  catch me on snooper :)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: LeTotalKiller on December 26, 2023, 06:21 PM
ill be on most of the day, have the day off.  catch me on snooper :)

Let's go with 19.30 GMT so Komo can potentially stream it?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Triad on December 26, 2023, 08:24 PM
I can play at 20:00
Any specific day? Btw you can DM me via Discord, I am also on CWA server.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Zwitter on December 26, 2023, 11:56 PM
Any specific day? Btw you can DM me via Discord, I am also on CWA server.
Wednesday or Friday?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Triad on December 27, 2023, 12:00 AM
Wednesday or Friday?
Let's do it on Wednesday then (if somehow something comes up and I won't be able to make it, I'll let you know beforehand).
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Zwitter on December 27, 2023, 10:30 AM
Let's do it on Wednesday then (if somehow something comes up and I won't be able to make it, I'll let you know beforehand).
Sure
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Rocket on December 27, 2023, 02:41 PM
To my lovely Group 1!
I'm available almost every day at 17:00-22:00 GMT. Pls pm me here or in Discord to arrange the games. If I know for sure there's a free day in advance, I'll let you know
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Free on December 27, 2023, 07:07 PM
PM's sent to people I don't have on discord.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on December 27, 2023, 10:06 PM
PM's sent to people I don't have on discord.

Hi free, and rocket pocket. I will be able to play saturday between - 18:00(PM)GMT-03:00(AM) ///////////// and sunday  17:00(PM)GMT - 01:00(AM)GMT.

Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Rocket on December 28, 2023, 06:56 AM
yo tita! I've booked Friday night to play with Free. can't do that this weekend tho :(
I'll update you on my next week's schedule. there surely will be some days to play!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on December 28, 2023, 11:28 AM
yo tita! I've booked Friday night to play with Free. can't do that this weekend tho :(
I'll update you on my next week's schedule. there surely will be some days to play!

What time on Friday are you playing Free?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Rocket on December 28, 2023, 12:22 PM
It'll be 18:00 GMT, Friday
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Free on December 28, 2023, 07:36 PM
What time on Friday are you playing Free?

18 GMT
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 03, 2024, 02:10 PM
Hi free, and rocket pocket. I will be able to play saturday between - 18:00(PM)GMT-03:00(AM) ///////////// and sunday  17:00(PM)GMT - 01:00(AM)GMT.


All from my group:

This message is valid for next Saturday and Sunday. Just PM me in ag.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 03, 2024, 03:03 PM
Does anybody know who Filla is or has seen them around? They are the only person I don't know in this Cup.

I've got a sneaky suspicion we may have to replace them.  :o
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on January 03, 2024, 05:58 PM
Does anybody know who Filla is or has seen them around? They are the only person I don't know in this Cup.

I've got a sneaky suspicion we may have to replace them.  :o
apparently a new user that signed up for tus and the cup and then never returned.  i sent them a pm to remind them of the cup.

might be on kradies discord, i know he gets a lot of people to sign up here
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Ledan on January 04, 2024, 02:39 PM
Nope. Asked Kradie about it and he doesn't know who Filla is, I've checked
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Filla on January 04, 2024, 03:23 PM
Here I am !
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Triad on January 04, 2024, 06:34 PM
Hey Filla, when you wanna play the cup games? Could you provide exact date and time when you can be available, so we can arrange our games?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Lupastic on January 04, 2024, 09:27 PM
you could have added Kirill's own "forts" scheme to the cup schemes as +1 (as you originally wanted), Komi, after all: its a clean BnG based scheme as well. a modified forts scheme basically.

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-4627/
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on January 04, 2024, 10:28 PM
you could have added Kirill's own "forts" scheme to the cup schemes as +1 (as you originally wanted), Komi, after all: its a clean BnG based scheme as well. a modified forts scheme basically.

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-4627/
Speaking of forts, the new fort scheme here is fire :-* Seen it in a few games now and its far superior to the tus one!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 06, 2024, 04:55 PM
I'll be at AG all day today waiting for you from my group, tomorrow 21:00 GMT, monster vs rocket pocket
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 07, 2024, 07:01 PM
I have replaced Filla with VoK.

Reason:

Doesn't understand the rules of BnG and seems to not know how to play any of the schemes properly.

I'm ok with noobs joining but they have to follow the rules!

Still over 2 weeks left to play the remaining games

Don't worry though, these are successful events so we'll likely have a AoA#3 around Summer.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Lupastic on January 07, 2024, 07:23 PM
don't worry Filla, not everyone is like this in the community ^^ keep playin and tryin new cups
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Triad on January 15, 2024, 09:14 AM
Speaking of forts, the new fort scheme here is fire :-* Seen it in a few games now and its far superior to the tus one!
I also enjoyed it more than the TUS one. If it were proposed to replace the TFL scheme with this new one, I would support it.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: FoxHound on January 15, 2024, 01:44 PM
I didn't test the scheme, and i didn't watch a replay to say, but the old scheme had an unbalanced sudden death that usually it would define the game, all the previous stuff before sudden death were pointless. Playing without water rising seems interesting, because you actually hide in the bottom, without worrying about the flood. Not sure if it is better with a "nothing happens" sudden death, maybe balancing the flood could be interesting too. But compared with the old scheme, it is surely better.

Another thing I liked is that the scheme has sheep launcher, what I think is really nice in forts. Forts without Sheep Launcher is not forts for me. Although I would increase the ammo maybe, only 1 seems to few, 2 ammo would be better, but the worms have 80 HP, so not sure.

I could go search in TUS for other Fort proposals, but this one at the moment is indeed better than the old one.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 15, 2024, 04:43 PM
It's interesting you guys are here talking about this because I was up after going to bed thinking about this scheme...

I also enjoyed it more than the TUS one. If it were proposed to replace the TFL scheme with this new one, I would support it.

I wouldn't get ahead just yet! Thinking about more tweaks, give it a bit of time first! It's brand new and needs more testing with a wider pool of players to see how certain styles work out.

I didn't test the scheme, and i didn't watch a replay to say, but the old scheme had an unbalanced sudden death that usually it would define the game, all the previous stuff before sudden death were pointless. Playing without water rising seems interesting, because you actually hide in the bottom, without worrying about the flood. Not sure if it is better with a "nothing happens" sudden death, maybe balancing the flood could be interesting too. But compared with the old scheme, it is surely better.

That's the EXACT issues we had with the previous scheme, everything was always decided in SD when the water rises, it was next to impossible to win before SD with the previous scheme even for me hitting HHGs and Sheeps and Banana all perfect...

The great thing about this scheme is that it rewards skill with quicker games.

Not that long or short games are important, it's more that if you aren't very good, the game can drag on and get very boring, both for the players and viewers.

The previous scheme Fort matches would last 45-60 minutes guaranteed every time, at least with this scheme we see top players get their games done within 30 minutes, I done 2 within 15 minutes.

Another thing I liked is that the scheme has sheep launcher, what I think is really nice in forts. Forts without Sheep Launcher is not forts for me. Although I would increase the ammo maybe, only 1 seems to few, 2 ammo would be better, but the worms have 80 HP, so not sure.

I could go search in TUS for other Fort proposals, but this one at the moment is indeed better than the old one.


We took away 1 sheep launcher as 2 was a bit OP.

Of course noobs are more than welcome but this scheme is designed for players who are skilled with artillery schemes. Point being, we took it away because it was too powerful in the hands of the top players making games that little bit too easy.

It doesn't take long to master the sheep launcher if you practise for even 5 minutes offline to see how far it goes with and without LG.

The only thing you can rely on now, is your own abilities, SD cannot save you or put pressure on your opponent like it does in Hysteria/Aerial.



We are thinking about adding SD back in, BUT, it'll happen really late in the game and will only ever really be activated when players take "too long" to finish.

This would keep it from getting too boring, and adding a bit of excitement back into the game if it gets too stale.


Edit - When I said 2 games within 15 minutes, I meant each game within 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Triad on January 15, 2024, 05:44 PM
We are thinking about adding SD back in, BUT, it'll happen really late in the game and will only ever really be activated when players take "too long" to finish.

This would keep it from getting too boring, and adding a bit of excitement back into the game if it gets too stale.
Yeah, this sounds like a good idea. 👍
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on January 15, 2024, 07:58 PM
Yeah, this sounds like a good idea. 👍
Though I've yet to see a boring/bad one yet, but only seen half the forts replays from this cup
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Triad on January 15, 2024, 08:51 PM
Though I've yet to see a boring/bad one yet, but only seen half the forts replays from this cup
Yeah, I think I also didn't personally see a game taking extremely too long (like over 1h mark), but I imagine it could be useful for those situations (like if both players have even worse BnG skills than me lmao)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: FoxHound on January 15, 2024, 08:59 PM
If a troll wants, he can darkside at the bottom of the map while the other player will have to dig all the fort with bazookas and grenades until kill that worm. That's the problem of "Nothing happens" Sudden Death. So, I think either a long time to happen Sudden Death with decent water rise or a medium time to happen sudden death with slow water rise would be valid for testing.
My favourite water rise number for schemes in general is 13 pixels, because it's between the 5 pixels that is very slow and the medium value that is faster than it should be in my point of view.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 16, 2024, 04:24 PM
7 DAYS LEFT UNTIL THE GROUP STAGE FINISHES - I WILL MESSAGE THOSE WITH GAMES LEFT TO PLAY.

If a troll wants, he can darkside at the bottom of the map while the other player will have to dig all the fort with bazookas and grenades until kill that worm. That's the problem of "Nothing happens" Sudden Death.

If a player hides at the bottom and doesn't move, you can just start shooting the bottom away.

Anyone who does this, clearly doesn't take the game seriously so if it's a Cup/TUS match, you know you won't have to play them ever again.

I've never seen anyone actually do this just to be a troll, the only people I've seen darkside like this are noobs who don't know any better, they usually get better with good advice and help.

Makes more sense to hide closer to the middle anyway with this scheme, though keep them as spread as possible until you have less worms.



Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 16, 2024, 04:37 PM
Group 3 - Potential Tiebreaker!

As you can see in the image following shortly, sock and StJimmy are currently tied for 2nd.

However, if MeTonaTOR wins against Mega`Adnan, he will take the #2 playoff spot with 2/8(2 matches won, 8 rounds won).

(https://i.imgur.com/H4F5oAt.png)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 18, 2024, 06:13 PM
kinslaveR , will you play against me or it will be free win?

Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: KinslayeR on January 18, 2024, 06:21 PM
I can play even now
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 19, 2024, 12:16 AM
I'm able to play now, i'm in AG atm, or tomorrow 23:20PM gmt, saturday  10:00Am or 20:20PM, or sunday  10:00AM, or 20:20PM.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 19, 2024, 12:18 AM
I'm at AG in the next 3 hours
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 19, 2024, 05:27 PM
I'm able to play now, i'm in AG atm, or tomorrow 23:20PM gmt, saturday  10:00Am or 20:20PM, or sunday  10:00AM, or 20:20PM.


so????
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on January 20, 2024, 02:18 PM
Let's play our games today/tomorrow, Jago.
If I don't go out tonight, will be online on discord. Feel free to contact me if you're around.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: KinslayeR on January 20, 2024, 02:35 PM
I can play tonight tita, sone,  or use discord to contact me that will be easier
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 20, 2024, 04:07 PM
3 days left until Playoffs!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 20, 2024, 11:04 PM
My last game wasn't 3-2.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: KinslayeR on January 20, 2024, 11:35 PM
Sr, the game was 3:1 , can u change komo?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 21, 2024, 04:22 PM
So we're waiting for 2 very important matches:

KinslayeR Vs stoner6
Mega`Adnan Vs MeTonaTOR


apparently, stoner6 is MIA.

It would suck for KinslayeR to get a 3:0 technical win because stoner6 isn't available and KinslayeR is.

However, that's what will happen if stoner6 doesn't get online and play the last match, as I've seen more evidence from KinslayeR trying to organize it.

If this happens, then Rocket and KinslayeR will have a tiebreaker to do.

Not entire sure what to do with a tiebreaker, for some stupid reason I didn't think about that!

However it won't be a full Bo5, perhaps a Bo3 maybe... It'll be the same for everyone either way.

We could have a TB in Group 3 as well!

Also, Group 4 is unfinished, 2 matches there and results could put anyone through.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on January 21, 2024, 05:00 PM
apparently, stoner6 is MIA.

Stoner and I played 3 tus matches last night.. I wouldn't say he's MIA.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 21, 2024, 05:48 PM
Stoner and I played 3 tus matches last night.. I wouldn't say he's MIA.

Excellent, they should be able to play then!

Though as it stands, I've seen more effort from KinslayeR to organize the match.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 21, 2024, 06:17 PM
So we're waiting for 2 very important matches:

KinslayeR Vs stoner6
Mega`Adnan Vs MeTonaTOR


apparently, stoner6 is MIA.

It would suck for KinslayeR to get a 3:0 technical win because stoner6 isn't available and KinslayeR is.

However, that's what will happen if stoner6 doesn't get online and play the last match, as I've seen more evidence from KinslayeR trying to organize it.

If this happens, then Rocket and KinslayeR will have a tiebreaker to do.

Not entire sure what to do with a tiebreaker, for some stupid reason I didn't think about that!

However it won't be a full Bo5, perhaps a Bo3 maybe... It'll be the same for everyone either way.

We could have a TB in Group 3 as well!

Also, Group 4 is unfinished, 2 matches there and results could put anyone through.

I think u wrong.

I'm  3/10 in the group stage.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 21, 2024, 06:21 PM
I think u wrong.

I'm  3/10 in the group stage.

It says you're 3/11.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Triad on January 21, 2024, 06:22 PM
It says you're 3/11.
tita looks 3/11 because Kins accidentally reported the game as 3:2 instead of 3:1
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 21, 2024, 06:22 PM
Oh that hasn't been fixed yet?

Ok, let's see... Will see what happens when MI fixed it.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 21, 2024, 07:29 PM
Rules have been updated!

Quote
TIEBREAKERS

In the event of a tiebreaker between any 2 players, they must play a Bo3 match using any of the 5 schemes.

The 1st pick will go to whoever won in their group stage match.

Had a quick vote during a 3v3 BnG with some players involved in the Cup and gave them the option, 2 votes immediately came in for Bo3 rather than Bo1.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: KinslayeR on January 22, 2024, 04:27 AM
Stoner, lets play tonight as I couldnt find u at weekend.   I will be available unitll 16 gmt till midnight , hope u can find time
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 22, 2024, 05:58 PM
Group 3 Tiebreaker!

sock Vs. StJimmy

Best of 3 - StJimmy gets 1st pick



Group 1 POTENTIAL Tiebreaker!

KinslayeR Vs stoner6 is important:

If KinslayeR wins 3:0 then tita/KinslayeR make PO.
If KinslayeR wins 3:1 then it's Tiebreaker between KinslayeR/Rocket.
If KinslayeR wins 3:2 then tita/Rocket make PO.

If KinslayeR Vs. stoner6 does not happen before deadline, then there will be Tiebreaker between KinslayeR & Rocket.

Since Rocket beat KinslayeR in the Group Stage, Rocket will get 1st pick.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 23, 2024, 04:52 PM
Since we have a few Tiebreakers, and since I for some stupid reason didn't think about this possibility when planning both Cups...

We're extending the deadline for the Group stage so the guys can get their Tiebreaker matches done, this extension will only be until the end of Sunday 28th January 2024. That's 5 days!


Group 1:

It doesn't seem likely that KinslayeR and stoner6 will get their match played, if they don't finish by midnight tonight, then the Tiebreaker between Rocket and KinslayeR will take place.

Group 3:

Tiebreaker ~ oldsock Vs. StJimmy / Best of 3 - StJimmy gets 1st pick.

Group 4:

Sensei Vs. Jago

This is the last match we're waiting on for Group 4. Since the winner will decide who goes through this match will be extended until Sunday 28th January 2024.

GET YOUR GAMES DONE! THERE WILL BE NO MORE EXTENSIONS!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on January 23, 2024, 05:05 PM
This has been an epic cup so far, did not expect so many legendary fails and incredible shots, blitz and jago fort match last night was the stuff of legend as well.  Hoping to see these tiebreaks streamed!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on January 23, 2024, 06:27 PM
For some reason I still have Walrus in pending games for this cup (see attachment).
Do you need to confirm something, Komo? Or it's a TUS glitch of some sort!?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on January 23, 2024, 06:44 PM
It's because I double reported and one was deleted
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 25, 2024, 04:19 PM
With just under 3 days and 8 hours left it's time for another reminder that we have just under 3 days and 8 hours left!

We're waiting on 2 matches now!

oldsock Vs StJimmy - However this might not be played before the deadline as oldsock is dealing with something personal.

Rocket Vs KinslayeR - This might not be played before the deadline either as KinslayeR didn't respond to Rocket in the past 2-3 days, and now Rocket will be busy intil the 29th.

So if they cannot play in time, it looks like Rocket and StJimmy will be going to Playoffs.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Ledan on January 26, 2024, 05:40 PM
Komito, I think it's Stoner who didn't play Kinslayer, not Rocket, lol
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Ledan on January 26, 2024, 06:05 PM
nvm im dumb, it's about tiebreakers!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: KinslayeR on January 26, 2024, 07:24 PM
I am able to play this weekend tomorrow and sunday, I cant play monday-tuesday. So this weekend or wednesday Rocket or Stoner. Call my discord
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 27, 2024, 05:05 PM
I am able to play this weekend tomorrow and sunday, I cant play monday-tuesday. So this weekend or wednesday Rocket or Stoner. Call my discord

You're too late KinslayeR.

You didn't get your group match done with stoner in time before the deadline.

Rocket tells me he messaged you over  several days to organize the Tiebreaker you didn't reply to him. You MUST check your messages and reply to organize matches to avoid situations like this! Rocket has something important to attend to now, but he was online every day and told me he sent you several messages to which none you have replied.

The deadline is tomorrow and Rocket said you never replied to him, so he gets the win for putting the effort in to organize the game whereas, well, you didn't.

It looks like StJimmy will also pass through to PO stage as well due to sock attending something personal.

Though, you guys DO all have until the end of tomorrow to finish your games!


Oh yeah - Posting here that "I can play tonight", isn't very good either, it's best to write down what times you're available to play, and offer times to opponent here in this thread so all can see.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: KinslayeR on January 27, 2024, 05:14 PM
I am kinda sure u messed up here komo, the deadline last time u sayd was 3 days from 25 january, I already play with stoner and leading 2;0 , while in game u writing me it is too late.  Next time make it more clear. coz  I tried 1 month to contact stoner and when he finally shpowed up, u say it is too late, and all coz i did not respond in 1 day coz i was working. Nice
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: KinslayeR on January 27, 2024, 05:27 PM
and Btw wtf is now this "tiebreaker" shit?  Did u ever mention it earlier? NO... 

But All You mentioned, if I dont catch stoner, I will go through, coz i was the one who tried to play/contact/make the game.

Blame me!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 27, 2024, 05:36 PM
Yes, I didn't plan for a Tiebreaker before this event and so here we are, making up the rules for the Tiebreaker! Sorry about that! It's my fault and I take responsibility!

Though here's the thing KinslayeR.

In your group, you're 3rd, behind Rocket, because he played all his games BEFORE the Group Stage deadline started! At first, I'm thinking yes they get technical win, but then I realize, I'm not putting anyone through to PO over anyone else due to a PO tech win.

Which is why there would be a Tiebreaker between you and Rocket.

Now here's the thing... I've been playing games with Rocket almost every day for the past 1-2 weeks, playing Grenade Wars and BnGs a few times a day. He's told me he's been messaging you since when I was even announcing the Tiebreaker stage, which was BEFORE the group stage deadline! You didn't reply to him, he was telling you it HAD to be played before Friday/Saturday because he had plans, which is why he was ready to play all week.

However you were nowhere to be seen!

For starters, your match vs stoner6 will be void because it HAD to be played BEFORE the deadline is gone.

The match vs Rocket, Rocket beat you 3:1 in the Group Stage, so if you guys can't play before the Tiebreaker deadline, then Rocket will go to PO.



I've said it time and time again, communication is VITAL in Cups! You MUST communicate with your opponents because of things like this!

This is what happens when you leave things to the last minute and can't find your opponents.

Of course I'm going to choose Rocket over you because he put WAY more effort into playing his matches than KinslayeR did and finished all his games with plenty time.

If you don't want this to happen again in future, then start paying attention to threads, start putting proper effort into organizing matches BEFORE the deadline!

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Showing up in threads like "I can play today" is useless, it's a forum, not a live messaging app that they can see immediately, they might not see the message for days!

When you join a Cup, the first thing you should be doing is looking at the deadline, and setting aside a bunch of days you know you can play. Then writing those times for your opponents to see, if they do the same then that's when you start negotiating and arranging matches.

The sooner you do this is important because if there are any issues like players incompatible to play each other then we can take action immediately and not wait until the last minute!

Now it looks like I'm trying to screw you over when the truth is you screwed yourself here.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 27, 2024, 06:25 PM
I'm making a double here because the last message is long enough and this goes to everyone.

When it comes to making a decision like this, I make it from a perspective of importance.

When the Cup signups were open the rules are in the description that the deadline for each stage is already set.

Quote
Group Stage - 4 weeks
Playoffs Quarter Finals - 2 weeks
Playoffs Semi Finals - 2 weeks
Playoffs Final - 2 weeks

Now, granted, there was no rule for Tiebreakers when the Cup started. That was discussed with some players several days before the Group Stage deadline in the Cup and a decision was made.

There is no clear, fair way to proceed players when time zones and activity mean players are on and off at different times.

I've got to base my decision on who will go through based on either clear results, like how for example Group 2 is finished and all different results. Or who made the most effort to organize and play their matches.

It's got to be this simple...

Is this Cup important to you?

If it's important enough to you, you WILL make the effort to check this thread, and communicate with your opponents on a daily basis. From the start.

You WILL think ahead, plan ahead, and organize your life, whether it's work, family, social... Around your games that you've committed to here.

If it's NOT important enough, well, stuff like this happens.

It's not just to improve your own chances of winning but to make the experience better for everyone involved.

So with all that being said how do you decide who goes through when both players can be considered worthy?

For me it's 1st come 1st served. Which is what I've used to decide who goes through with Rocket/KinslayeR.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 27, 2024, 06:26 PM
Third post, I'm going to fully explain the situation, if you think my decision is bad, please explain how I can make a better decision and I probably will!

Here is a picture of Group 1 by the end of the Group Stage deadline:

(https://i.imgur.com/9CBeZ5R.png)

tita and Rocket look equal by the filtered score that shows but tita is ahead and I'll explain why.

Total = Number of matches played.
Won = Matches won on left / Rounds won on right
Lost = Matches lost

This doesn't take into account how many rounds someone lost! Only how many matches.

If you look at the Game History at the bottom of the picture you can see how many rounds each player lost, let's add it up!

tita - 4 rounds.
Rocket - 5 rounds.
KinslayeR - 4 rounds.
Free - 9 rounds.
stoner6 - 9 rounds.


So the obvious choice here would be tita #1 and Rocket #2 since KinslayeR didn't finish all his games.

However... We've got to take into account how much effort players put into playing their games because it's not fair if 1 player has a chance to make PO but can't find their partner!

So there is a rule that organizing matches within the official Cup thread takes priority over all other forms of communication with your opponent to judge who gets a technical win.

Now, the first player in Group 1 to post in the Cup thread was Rocket:

To my lovely Group 1!
I'm available almost every day at 17:00-22:00 GMT. Pls pm me here or in Discord to arrange the games. If I know for sure there's a free day in advance, I'll let you know

The 2nd person to post in the Cup thread was Free:

PM's sent to people I don't have on discord.

Then the 3rd, tita:

Hi free, and rocket pocket. I will be able to play saturday between - 18:00(PM)GMT-03:00(AM) ///////////// and sunday  17:00(PM)GMT - 01:00(AM)GMT.

The first post from KinslayeR was:

I can play even now

Now...

Notice the dates?

KinslayeR's first post here was on the 18th! 5 days before the Group Stage deadline...

And his message didn't offer any valuable information to offer times in advance, or let his partners know when he's actually available to play.

And now, 4 DAYS AFTER THE DEADLINE he decides to play stoner6 and thinks it's going to be allowed? When I've already announced the Tiebreaker match between him and Rocket, and that Rocket has been trying to communicate with him for days...

Rocket cannot play now today and Saturday, and KinslayeR shows up saying he's ready, but now it's too late.

So I've got to decide who goes through, because they won't play before the deadline now.

Taking all this into consideration when judging who goes through, it's an easy choice.

Rocket is through to the PO due to lack of interest from KinslayeR.

If anybody thinks I've made a bad decision then please tell me how I could make a better decision.




Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: KinslayeR on January 27, 2024, 06:58 PM
So we're waiting for 2 very important matches:

KinslayeR Vs stoner6
Mega`Adnan Vs MeTonaTOR


apparently, stoner6 is MIA.

It would suck for KinslayeR to get a 3:0 technical win because stoner6 isn't available and KinslayeR is.

However, that's what will happen if stoner6 doesn't get online and play the last match, as I've seen more evidence from KinslayeR trying to organize it.




Just let me remind You ur own words.  So if You keep ur word, I should get 3:0 versus stoner and win the group. (I even played and had 2:0 with stoner today , meantime u wrote it will avoid so we stopped)

However, u decided to kick me out, as I did not respond ur god damn messege in 2 days, only coz I was working away from home
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 27, 2024, 10:12 PM
That was BEFORE the deadline.

This is AFTER the deadline.

Also, the circumstances changed after I had a deeper look at who played who, who made the effort and who didn't.

Edit - Sorry for the inconvenience KinslayeR, also sorry for giving the impression you would be going through. I feel bad about this.

I didn't take into account for dealing with tiebreakers the amount of losses, it's not fair that you get a free win and reach PO over Rocket who beat you in Group Stage.

I was expecting Rocket Vs KinslayeR as a Tiebreaker but that's already explained.

Good news though KinslayeR, I am planning on making AoA a frequent event, at least twice a year. Once in Winter, once in Summer.

The more popular it becomes, the greater the prizes will be!

So if you have any suggestions on how to deal with a situation like this in future please let me know so I can make this event smooth for everyone!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: StJimmy on January 28, 2024, 11:24 PM
It's time to once again make POs just to mess with Komito lul

lol
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on January 29, 2024, 02:09 PM
Ok, my game against Ladan will be sunday 18:00GMT.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on January 31, 2024, 11:09 AM
Ok, my game against Ladan will be sunday 18:00GMT.

Indeed we've got 3 matches scheduled already for the stream!

Tonight at 10pm GMT (31st January 2024) is TheWalrus Vs StJimmy.

Saturday 3rd February 2024 @ 7pm GMT is Rocket Vs Zwitter.

And then Sunday 4th February 2024 @ 6pm GMT tita Vs Ledan!

All live @ https://www.twitch.tv/WormsArmageddonCWA
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 08, 2024, 05:45 AM
I've sent the following message to all parcitipants, though tita has blocked me :D

If tita doesn't see this, well, I'll see him eventually and inform him.

Greetings!

1st of all I'd like to personally thank each and every one of you for signing up!

Other than Fort rounds going on longer than most enjoy to finish, the Cup has ran very smoothly!

It's been an absolute delight so far and a pleasure to watch you all play so well this time round, I see a lot of improvement and very close matches!

20 players signed up!

8 made it to the Playoffs!

4 will make it to the Semi-Finals!

At this point I'd like to remind you all of the bonus prizes you can potentially win, even if you've already been knocked out!

This requires each participant to send in their best shot for a chance of winning some pocket money.

Best shot in Grenade Wars - £10

Best turn in Aerial - £10

Best shot in Fort - £10

4th-8th Place Lottery - £10

The deadline for sending in your submissions for the bonus prizes will be exactly 2 weeks after the Grand Final deadline.

This will be 25th March 2024.

After which, a stream will be organized with prepared short clips of all entries to be judged live on stream to pick winners! Including the lottery to pick the lucky winner!



To send your submissions, DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD!

Instead, send a new private message to me(TheKomodo) to make sure you don't message everyone else tagged in this message.

Only games from official Cup matches are allowed!

Just let me know which match it was, which round it was, and the time of the shot and I'll do the rest myself!



There will be a reminder message repeating all this information in 4 weeks!

Good luck!

 :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on February 10, 2024, 05:53 PM
Ledan, i'm ag waiting for you as we scheduled.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 12, 2024, 09:00 PM
Semi-Finals!

Congratulations to the 4 who made it to the Semi Finals!

tita Vs Sensei
Rocket Vs TheWalrus

The deadline is set for

Monday 26th February 2024!

Good luck guys! Remember and organize the match for the stream in advance!

I will not be available on the 16th as I will be with family remembering loved ones who have passed.


Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on February 12, 2024, 11:42 PM
Saturday 17th is a good day for me, i'll be home around 18:00pm GMT until 01:00am GMT


 (https://media1.giphy.com/media/3ohzdDaTV0f32NxkvC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Rocket on February 13, 2024, 06:06 AM
Hey! TheWalrus told me he's on vacations during 10th-17th. So we arrange our game when he's back
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on February 13, 2024, 03:47 PM
Saturday 17th is a good day for me, i'll be home around 18:00pm GMT until 01:00am GMT


 (https://media1.giphy.com/media/3ohzdDaTV0f32NxkvC/giphy.gif)

We might do it saturday 18gmt then. I should be at home. Probably won't know until saturday, though.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 13, 2024, 08:15 PM
We might do it saturday 18gmt then. I should be at home. Probably won't know until saturday, though.

Just remember to organize in advance!

If you don't confirm in advance the match will be cancelled because at this point the streams are mandatory!

So do NOT wait until the day to plan your match as I likely might not be available, or other people could book their stream in.

Surely everyone knows what they have planned over the next 2 weeks? And can decide "This is priority for this 3 hour window on 1 day so everything else can revolve around that"
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on February 13, 2024, 09:34 PM
Surely everyone knows what they have planned over the next 2 weeks?

Don't know what kind of life you're living, but this is not my style!
Ok, tita, I'll let you know 1 day before if possible.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 13, 2024, 09:50 PM
Don't know what kind of life you're living, but this is not my style!

Sorry Sensei, but if you cannot plan your Stream in advance, then you MAY have to forfeit. This actually sucks because we already have tension and I don't want you to feel like this is aimed at you out of spite.

Long story short, it says in the rules to organize in advance, also, it's crazy to think we will all put our life on hold for you just in case you are available.

It's actually ridiculous for ANYONE not to be able to make concrete plans when it comes to competing in events, especially ORGANIZED events that specifically mention certain rules about organizing your match in advance.

I'm not saying you need to know every single detail of your future, but certainly you know your work/school/social schedule and if you have plans yet or not.

Of course, some people like to live like that and it's fine, but if that IS your style, then this kind of event is NOT for someone like you who cannot commit and respect other players and event organizers time.

I am not singling you out either, nor do I feel any resentment or hostility towards you, this is a cool calm collective decision for EVERY single player.

That's why it says in description, streaming the Semi-Finals onwards is MANDATORY, and should be ORGANIZED IN ADVANCE.

I and others shouldn't have to put their lifes on call to wait for you "MAYBE" being able to play.

Either take control of your life over the next few weeks, or risk someone else taking up all the streaming spots because it's first come first served.


(https://i.imgur.com/tM3eIwG.png)


For clarification, although it doesn't say, when it says "in advance" that doesn't mean 1 day... I'd say at least 72 hours to give organizers etc time to prepare.

I will update this rule to clarify that.

Of course, I know that emergencies happen in life, though, if that happens you basically forfeit because we don't give extensions based on family emergencies or anything, we expect people to act like a mature adult and forfeit so others can move on. You will however ALWAYS have our love and support through tough times in other ways.

Lmfao, that screenshot just made me realize I haven't updated the twitch stream url! Oops!

I guess I should thank you Sensei!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 13, 2024, 11:45 PM
Sorry for double post but this might actually be good! So it's separate so it's not drowned...

Sensei! You're a streamer! So this actually is ok???

If I can't be available, or anyone else at one days notice, or even immediate notice, YOU can stream your own match!

You don't have to commentate on it, as long as the game is live for people to watch and so it's recorded and available to upload to the CWA YouTube page! (Of course with credit and links to your communities/Twitch etc.)

8)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on February 14, 2024, 08:59 AM
That seems like a good solution. Ok. Thanks for infos.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on February 16, 2024, 01:19 AM
Tita, sunday 22gmt? Does that work for you? I should be at home for sure.
About saturday, probably don't know until the evening.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on February 16, 2024, 08:53 PM
Tita, sunday 22gmt? Does that work for you? I should be at home for sure.
About saturday, probably don't know until the evening.


Ok
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 22, 2024, 11:09 AM
I cannot believe this is happening, at the worst possible time!

Unfortunately I need to cancel the match between Rocket and TheWalrus tonight at 10pm GMT as my internet has been down since yesterday!

They said they would send a technician tomorrow morning, but then messaged me saying it was a local area outage and it was fixed so they CANCELLED the technician! IDIOTS!!!!

Nobody else is volunteering to stream, so the only choice I have is to extend the deadline since it's out of my control.

I'm very sorry!

New deadline - 4th March 2024!

Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: xSniperx on February 22, 2024, 11:10 AM
I cannot believe this is happening, at the worst possible time!

Unfortunately I need to cancel the match between Rocket and TheWalrus tonight at 10pm GMT as my internet has been down since yesterday!

They said they would send a technician tomorrow morning, but then messaged me saying it was a local area outage and it was fixed so they CANCELLED the technician! IDIOTS!!!!

Nobody else is volunteering to stream, so the only choice I have is to extend the deadline since it's out of my control.

I'm very sorry!

New deadline - 4th March 2024!


I can stream it if they want to continue play.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 22, 2024, 11:17 AM
I can stream it if they want to continue play.

Oh really? Man you would be a legend if you could!

Join the CWA Discord so I can give you Streamer/Commentator roles!

https://discord.gg/Ytjfr4myyx
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: xSniperx on February 22, 2024, 11:25 AM
Oh really? Man you would be a legend if you could!

Join the CWA Discord so I can give you Streamer/Commentator roles!

https://discord.gg/Ytjfr4myyx

Yeah I'm in the office but when i get home i will, just tell walrus to message me on discord when he's ready to play.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 22, 2024, 11:28 AM
Yeah I'm in the office but when i get home i will, just tell walrus to message me on discord when he's ready to play.

You're a life saver man!

10pm GMT, exactly! That's when they've agreed so that's when they will be ready to play.

I usually do a 15 minute pre-roll video to give people a chance to see the stream is live and up, then we're ready to go bang on time usually.

Though, this is an exceptional circumstance, whatever works for you guys I appreciate it!

I love when this community comes together to help each other!

I'll go to my parents and commentate from there with my laptop!

Thank you! :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on February 22, 2024, 04:02 PM
You're a life saver man!

10pm GMT, exactly! That's when they've agreed so that's when they will be ready to play.

I usually do a 15 minute pre-roll video to give people a chance to see the stream is live and up, then we're ready to go bang on time usually.

Though, this is an exceptional circumstance, whatever works for you guys I appreciate it!

I love when this community comes together to help each other!

I'll go to my parents and commentate from there with my laptop!

Thank you! :-*
snipercast, i like it, i hope there is much cheekiness
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on February 23, 2024, 02:01 PM
Can anyone share the link to the Walrus semi final game?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: xSniperx on February 23, 2024, 02:19 PM
Can anyone share the link to the Walrus semi final game?

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2070690621?t=00h28m20s
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 23, 2024, 03:21 PM
So, what we're going to do!

The deadline would have been for the end of Sunday this weekend for the Semi-Final stage, however because of my internet issue and already extending the deadline what I'll do is make the Final/Bronze match deadline 3 weeks instead of 2!

I've already said to Sensei the deadline was extended before we managed to get Sniper streaming the match last night so that's fine.

I'm not available for the rest of this weekend for any streaming whatsoever as I've already made plans and we have the CWAPodcast on Sunday.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on February 23, 2024, 05:52 PM
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2070690621?t=00h28m20s


ty porra
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on February 28, 2024, 07:28 PM
tita and i agreed on 20 GMT sun
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 28, 2024, 07:32 PM
tita and i agreed on 20 GMT sun

Excellent!

I've just spoke to my group, once I finish my group matches I'm going to pull out! They are all fine with it!

I want to put a small cash prize up because this is super fun, and deep down I actually have more fun watching others pull off amazing shots etc!

I'm doing everything I can to make this community an even better competitive experience than ever before.

Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on February 28, 2024, 07:43 PM
Excellent!

I've just spoke to my group, once I finish my group matches I'm going to pull out! They are all fine with it!

I want to put a small cash prize up because this is super fun, and deep down I actually have more fun watching others pull off amazing shots etc!

I'm doing everything I can to make this community an even better competitive experience than ever before.
wrong cup forum, is that a good time for you for AoA?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on February 28, 2024, 07:58 PM
Lmfao, man my head is up my a sometimes!

Yes, that's a good time! Will schedule it in!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on March 01, 2024, 04:46 PM
tita i cant do sunday anymore, can you do 18 GMT tomorrow?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on March 01, 2024, 10:10 PM
tita i cant do sunday anymore, can you do 18 GMT tomorrow?

f@#!, tbh idk.

Next sunday?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on March 03, 2024, 03:12 PM
You've got 2 weeks left so shouldn't be an issue!

Just let us know what you guys plan to do with at least 48-72 hours notice!

It's the grand final so we need time to advertise it and hype it up for Twitch!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on March 03, 2024, 06:11 PM
Hi walrus, Can u play saturday 20:00GMT?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on March 03, 2024, 08:11 PM
Hi walrus, Can u play saturday 20:00GMT?
nope, out of town, can you do any weekday this week?  I’m flexible on times.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on March 04, 2024, 01:42 PM
nope, out of town, can you do any weekday this week?  I’m flexible on times.

I work from Monday to Friday and I also choose to work on Saturday or Sunday.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on March 06, 2024, 10:46 PM
I work from Monday to Friday and I also choose to work on Saturday or Sunday.
what about after work?  Otherwise it’s next weekend, this weekend I’m out of town. 
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on March 06, 2024, 11:46 PM
I come home every day around 22:00gmt, so, we can start the game 23:00gmt if u want to.   
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on March 07, 2024, 03:49 PM
I come home every day around 22:00gmt, so, we can start the game 23:00gmt if u want to.
23:00 tues?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on March 07, 2024, 05:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rTTx3gA.png)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on March 10, 2024, 11:20 AM
Hello walrus, will we play on Saturday then?   20:00gmt is ok for you?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on March 10, 2024, 05:46 PM
Hello walrus, will we play on Saturday then?   20 gmt is ok for you?
can you do 19 gmt sat?  better for me then.  Otherwise 23 gmt any weekday tues-fri?  Weekdays would be better!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on March 10, 2024, 06:57 PM
can you do 19 gmt sat?  better for me then.  Otherwise 23 gmt any weekday tues-fri?  Weekdays would be better!

tues 23:00GMT is ok!

See you (https://as1.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/02/44/99/96/1000_F_244999653_AxSh6HLItXju8Tw7SwJK0DgpH7YzeV6e.jpg)
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on March 10, 2024, 08:44 PM
tues 23:00GMT is ok!

See you (https://as1.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/02/44/99/96/1000_F_244999653_AxSh6HLItXju8Tw7SwJK0DgpH7YzeV6e.jpg)
that my boy, komo can you stream then?
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on March 10, 2024, 08:54 PM
Yeah that's good!

See you guys then!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Sensei on March 11, 2024, 11:34 PM
I probably won't be home in next 10 days, so will try to make WA work on laptop. It wasn't playable for me in the past, so want to apologise in advance if I just surrend in the middle of it.
Sunday evening (7-8 gmt) seems like the good time, I'd say. Let me know Rocket/Komo.
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on March 12, 2024, 12:16 AM
Sunday 17th March around 7pm or 8pm GMT start is good for me!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: Lupastic on March 14, 2024, 02:39 AM
tita porra congrats ♥
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheWalrus on March 14, 2024, 02:56 AM
I have a new dad I guess lol, congrats to tita wp buddy
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on March 14, 2024, 04:35 AM
Oops...
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on March 14, 2024, 10:36 PM
HAHA, thank you you all.

I'm already waiting for the next Cup
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on March 14, 2024, 10:56 PM
Sensei Vs. Rocket confirmed!

Sunday 17th March at 7pm GMT over at https://www.twitch.tv/WormsArmageddonCWA

You can join the Discord event/server live here:

https://discord.gg/DSMn7ZtU?event=1217951073399083160

Once this game finishes, there will be a 2 week deadline for all players to submit their turns for the bonus prizes!

If you do not submit anything, you will not be valid to enter!

After the deadline is over, I'll spend a few days making clips and videos, and will host an event live on Twitch where we will draw the lucky lottery winner for 4th - 8th position, and choose the winners of the 3 other categories.

Then after that, we'll pay all the winners!
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on March 17, 2024, 10:44 PM
Greetings!

1st of all I'd like to personally thank each and every one of you for signing up!

It's been an absolute delight so far and a pleasure to watch you all play!

At this point I'd like to remind you all of the bonus prizes you can potentially win, even if you've already been knocked out!

This requires each participant to send in their best shot for a chance of winning some pocket money.

IF YOU DO NOT SEND IN REPLAYS YOURSELF YOU WILL NOT BE ELIGABLE FOR THE BONUS PRIZES!

YOU CAN SEND IN 1 TURN/SHOT FOR EACH PRIZE - A TOTAL OF 3 SHOTS/TURNS!

Best shot in Grenade Wars - £10

Best turn in Aerial - £10

Best shot in Fort - £10

4th-8th Place Lottery - £10

The deadline for sending in your submissions for the bonus prizes will be Monday 1st April 2024.

After which, a stream will be organized with prepared short clips of all entries to be judged live on stream to pick winners! Including the lottery to pick the lucky winner!



To send your submissions, DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE!

Instead, send a new private message to me(TheKomodo)

Only games from official Cup matches are allowed!

Just let me know which match it was, which round it was, and the time of the shot and I'll do the rest myself!



There will be a reminder message repeating all this information in 1 week!

Good luck!

 :-*
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on April 03, 2024, 03:59 PM
Good afternoon legends!

Once again, thank you for all those who took part, it was another magnificent event with so many great players and even better turns/shots!

As you may be aware there were bonus prizes for the Cup and the stream for AoA2 Prizes will take place on Sunday 14th April at 7pm GMT live on Twitch:

https://www.twitch.tv/WormsArmageddonCWA

You can also follow the event in the CWA Discord:

https://discord.gg/NWtC2nnM?event=1225111703679926384
Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: TheKomodo on April 15, 2024, 01:16 PM
Congratulations to the Cup winners:


1st - tita / £30 (Will be paid by TheWalrus)

2nd - TheWalrus / £20 (Paid)

3rd - Rocket / £15 (Paid)



Congratulations to the bonus prize winners:


Best Aerial Turn - Ledan / £10 (Paid)

Best Forts Shot - tita / £10 (Will be paid by TheWalrus)

Best Grenade Wars Shot - oldsock / £10 (Paid)

Random Lottery Winner - Zwitter / £10 (Paid via TUS donation)

If you're interested in watching the video for the live draw you can find it here, if it doesn't work at first it's because it's still processing and you'll be able to watch in an hour or so:




Title: Re: Cup #1229, Academy of Artillery #2
Post by: tita on April 16, 2024, 12:22 AM
aeeee  I won the best fort shot!!!


MAMA-MIA

 ::)