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Cups and Tournaments => Cups and Tournaments Comments => Topic started by: Dub-c on February 04, 2012, 05:58 PM
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Scheme looks awesome.
However, Why the f@#! no blocking a rule? And why the instant mine? That makes no sense at all! Hey lets just through a mine into the scheme weeeeeee
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Scheme looks awesome.
However, Why the f@#! no blocking a rule? And why the instant mine? That makes no sense at all! Hey lets just through a mine into the scheme weeeeeee
No blocking is a rule because this is a roper and you are supposed to use the rope during your turn, instead of wasting half of the precious time trying to unblock yourself ;)
I was rather skeptical about the instant mine at first but I think it's a nice addition which can spice up the game quite a bit. If you are losing, you can turn the game around if you manage to send your opponent into it with another explosion. Or you can fly it into a worm with a bazooka or a grenade. Or you can place some "normal" mines around it to confuse your opponent.
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Or you can place some "normal" mines around it to confuse your opponent.
That guy just placed a mine next to another mine, I'M CONFUSED OMG !!! xD
When can we signup then?
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When can we signup then?
As soon as the cup gets approved by a moderator.
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Hopefully that's soon then xD
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am in.
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I hope this cup will fair better than this cup (https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-193/) and this cup (https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-81/) once I approve this one :)
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I dont think you value or understand the skill and strategy that blocking brings to the table. For one, don't hide where you can get blocked. Second, it takes a lot of skill to be able to attack a worm so you can block it with 5 retreat.
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Good luck and have fun, chaps 8)
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Let's try out this W2roper then! :D
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Okay I'm in, although I'm bad at tight (cause big dick)
Oh, so no wall to wall rule if u don't want to get the crate b4 attack? (Or did u just forget the most important rule in the description?)
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Okay I'm in, although I'm bad at tight (cause big dick)
Oh, so no wall to wall rule if u don't want to get the crate b4 attack? (Or did u just forget the most important rule in the description?)
There's no w2w rule.
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There's no w2w rule.
Ah, thanks. I always thought u have to do w2w OR cba and after SD only w2w b4 attack.
BTW: Would be cool with a faster sd and waterrise on :D
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dub, i dunno how many times i have told you, i was not trying to mimik w2 scheme completely, i was trying to merge w2, and w:a together into a rope scheme thats more strategic, fun, and something that w:a will actually accept...
not to mention, there is no such thing as creating an exact w2 scheme, being that each player had their own scheme, settings, rules, ect, and just told them to who they were playing b4 game started (higher rank was awarded hosting rights)
you act like you dont know this...
and, thats actually where the 1mine thing came from, that was my settings on w2, i would have one instant mine on map.. its always so much fun, for the reasons barman said... im surprised you dont remember them dub, being i was always rank 1 hauhauhauhauah
and, as far as blocking goes dub-c, maybe you did not take this into consideration but blocks on w2 would take no more then 5 seconds to get out of, they were easy to knock yourself out regardless of how tight the hide was...
w:a is much different, there are spots you can get blocked and have no chance of getting out.. so then what happens? you just get raped all game? enemy worm just collects numerous cr8s, zooks and blocks you excessively until you rage quit? c'mon man..
anyway, doctor, i hope this cup goes better then the last as well...
seems like there is a nice group of guys here, lot of skill already!! gl all
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I think I'm going to start this when we have 24 players. 4 spots left!
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and, as far as blocking goes dub-c, maybe you did not take this into consideration but blocks on w2 would take no more then 5 seconds to get out of, they were easy to knock yourself out regardless of how tight the hide was...
w:a is much different, there are spots you can get blocked and have no chance of getting out.. so then what happens? you just get raped all game? enemy worm just collects numerous cr8s, zooks and blocks you excessively until you rage quit? c'mon man..
Don't hide your worm where you can be blocked. Don't use a map that has all those retarded hides that you will get easily blocked on. Its not rocket appliances here.
A instant mine in a roper? I don't care about your w2 sets. There is a reason the vast majority of ropers did not have a mine in there sets. Having a instant mine in a roper is just stupid. It doesn't belong.
You bitch and moan about luck and crates and blah blah, then you add a f@#!ing mine to the scheme? Do you hear me at all?
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you say: dont hide where you can be blocked
why a mine is lucky then? just dont rope into it.
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It's started! Have fun!
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you say: dont hide where you can be blocked
why a mine is lucky then? just dont rope into it.
Seriously? You must be trolling. I was responding to Avi. I don't know why you would inject your opinion without a clue as to what we are talking about.
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it doesn't matter too much does it.
its just a new and arguably novel variation on the normal roper scheme.
This is what worms is about. Making new schemes and messing about with stuff, having fun and not giving a shit.
Lets just play and smash it up!
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I can live with no blocking being a rule. As noob of a rule as it is.
But having an instant mine randomly thrown into the scheme bothers me more then anything.
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nice group kaleu :D
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yay, paired with the mm-noobs. See you in the k/o's people 8)
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Everybody remember it's 2 worms per team
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I was rly hoping to join this, waiting for it to get approved and checking tus everyday and then I see it has alrdy started
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/617/okayguy.jpg)
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dub... check the scheme page of tus, where i uploaded this scheme about 8 months ago...
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-303/
then, if you click scheme explanation, you will see that the mine is optional...
so if you have some sand in your vagina, and your scared of the mine, take it out of the scheme... most people enjoy the mine though, it adds a good laugh to the scheme, not to mention.. most games the mine never even is activated....
but, i clearly stated the mine is optional, so quit your bitching b4 i f@#!ing kick your ass cowboy
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I was rly hoping to join this, waiting for it to get approved and checking tus everyday and then I see it has alrdy started
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/617/okayguy.jpg)
wanna take my place husk?
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woot, I'd love to q= u r too nice mate, thanks!
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ok xd bar pls replace me with husk, gl in your hardcoregroup mate ;D
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I'd be also happy to replace someone if there are inactive players. :-*
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I'd be also happy to replace someone if there are inactive players. :-*
Well I only joined this cup to show avi/this scheme some support, I haven't played a Roper in such a long time I don't think i'd give it as good a chance as you could, I have no problem stepping aside for a player of your caliber.
So with my blessing lol, Random can take my spot in this Cup, and i'll add that if anyone drops out, I am available to play :)
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I'd be also happy to replace someone if there are inactive players. :-*
Well I only joined this cup to show avi/this scheme some support, I haven't played a Roper in such a long time I don't think i'd give it as good a chance as you could, I have no problem stepping aside for a player of your caliber.
So with my blessing lol, Random can take my spot in this Cup, and i'll add that if anyone drops out, I am available to play :)
Give this man a beer!
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thanks, komo.
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Everybody remember it's 2 worms per team
Haha Csongi and Scorpus almost remembered.. but didn't xD
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Everybody remember it's 2 worms per team
Haha Csongi and Scorpus almost remembered.. but didn't xD
void dat mudda fuka!
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Nah, let them serve as a bad example! :P
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:'(
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ok guys... here are some tips..
cr8s = 23... so an attack is obviously more valuable then a single crate
2 cr8s = 46, so a full power attack, is again more valuable then 2 cr8s, unless your in need of health.
cr8 + attack is obviously always a good turn, i guess that goes without saying...
zooks, and low timer nades are good to use when you need to get a pile.
if you have to use retreat time to pile a farther worm, or collect a farther cr8, using a 4 second nade for your attack is a good tactic, when it explodes, you know you have 1 second remaining for retreat time.
also, if there is a cr8 on the map no one is going after, you can hide in a place that tempts you opponent to collect it, but unless hes really quick chances are he will fail, and lead you to the cr8....
also, a slightly more complex map can sometimes be more fun... but any map works.. gl hf :D
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Wolfgang, dibz, I'm able to play today for most of the day. Leave a msg here and I'll most likely see it.
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ok guys... here are some tips..
cr8s = 23... so an attack is obviously more valuable then a single crate
2 cr8s = 46, so a full power attack, is again more valuable then 2 cr8s, unless your in need of health.
Waiting for you in AG dude :)
You also gotta calculate the possibility of that crate falling into your opponents hands though. If you leave a crate out there that your opponent can collect you actually lose 46 that turn (and the 'in need of health' thing applies).
>Attack instead of collect:
(Player: #1=HP collected / #2=Dmg dealt / #3=HP of each player after turn (starting point is '200') / #4=HP difference between you and opponent).
Me: 0 50 150 -46
Op: 46 50 196
>Collect and no attack:
Me: 23 0 173 -50
Op: 23 50 223
So yeah. Attacking is better (50 compared to 46), but it will take both players to 0 sooner. If you're behind, you may consider taking the crate instead to spare some time.
All this of course only applies when your opponent can 'surely' take the crate (both his own and yours), dunno if that really happens all that often.
edit: the scheme is good Avi, but there's 1 thing I don't like about it. Once you're behind it is dämn difficult to get back into the game. When you're within the 50HP range there's no way you can turn the game around anymore, you're as good as dead. (any point on the map is reachable within 13 sec without the need to get a health first; and even if you do manage to pick BOTH crates every turn, you still lose 4 HP).
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thats why a more complex map is better hhc... you can actually run... for your life, with your 18 seconds of total turn time, and hope that opponent cant reach you in his 15 seconds to attack...
but any map will do to be honest, an easier map, you just have to play with less mistakes and more skill...
this skill was created to introduce more skill to this scheme, rather then luck....
how do you have chances to come back in regular roper??? hiding hard and praying your opponent gets a hard crate, right???
i know because i have done it so many times as well... it gets boring, same thing every game...
w2roper is (almost) pure skill, and good strategy to get the win, kill or be killed.....
not: "woops, bl... your not able to attack this turn, head to the other end of the map to get that cr8"
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Someone know what hour Sbaffo uses to play?
I'll send a pm to him.
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Holy shit, well done Husk so far !
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im glad i gave him my place. really spiced up this group ;D
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thanks, the outcome may been the opposite if both art and sock had adapted these new rules...
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how do you have chances to come back in regular roper??? hiding hard and praying your opponent gets a hard crate, right???
i know because i have done it so many times as well... it gets boring, same thing every game...
not: "woops, bl... your not able to attack this turn, head to the other end of the map to get that cr8"
The scheme is flawed Avi.
The possibility of making a comeback is entirely terminated. Basically it comes down to who starts and can get an early lead. After that it's done, unless the leading guy goes fooling around like a russian noob.
When you're behind you really don't have any real options to defend yourself. Partly because pretty much any hide on the map is reachable within 13 secs. (in regular rope sd you must first cross to the other side of the map AND come back, in just 15 secs. 13 secs gets you way further than halfway; that is to the other side of the map and beyond).
The leading guy can just ignore the crates, as a full hit does more than 2 crates combined.
What really hurts the scheme though is the 3 sec retreat. You cannot attack ánd get away far enough to prevent an easy kill next go. You need to choose.
You can either go for the crate on the other side of the map (and thus not do +50 dmg) OR you can hit and take your opponents hit for granted..
Both options suck ass for the player who's behind. In the latter both worms' energy go down rapidly and you're in for a rapid loss. In the first case (just collecting a health), you can (at most) gain 40HP, but then BOTH your opponent needs to fall AND he needs to miss out on his crate. Against a somewhat decent player that's not gonna happen. Most turns you'll get your crate and the opponent ropes over, collects the crate on the road and then hits you (and then you're another 50HP EXTRA behind).
So yeah, like I said before, you cannot make a comeback in this scheme. That really takes away any opportunity for a player to correct any early-game mistakes or early-game bad luck (one guy gets an easy crate, the other gets an unreachable one: that already is enough to decide a game...). IMO that's more luck than skill.
It also kills the game. When I was losing to Free I just gave up and surrendered. I NEVER do that in any other scheme cause I know there's always a chance. But when I got behind in this one.. I knew it was over and just f*cked about. :(
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Yea the scheme is heavily flawed. For one, there needs to be more fd. With more fd there is a chance at comebacks through nice drops.
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Sorry HHC but I feel your opinion is flawed for this reason and this reason only, why should you deserve a comeback if YOU made a mistake?
The truth is, there are solutions, but those are solutions that people are unwilling to accept, people are dumb enough to play on maps that are too hard and then blame it on the crates landing in places in the map that are unreachable, they deserve a slap for starters for making the map, THEY made it, wtf? Serious? SLAP!
You could easily use avi's scheme, and do Bo3/5, each player getting a chance to have the 1st turn, but I don't know anyone willing to put the effort in, their fault for being either too lazy or uninterested enough.
Or use maps similar to the maps I use, with the Classic Roper scheme, but then people complain saying they are too easy, even though they still lose lol or just don't have the experience/skill to use the map to it's full potential which is something that comes with practise if you really want the Roper scheme to be as competitive as possible, that deserves another slap, this time a backhander...
The other reason, and probably the most important reason, being that people are people, and people have differences in opinion, respect others opinions or not, that's the way it is, we can all either agree on something, or continue moaning like idiots for the rest of our WA days.
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Sorry HHC but I feel your opinion is flawed for this reason and this reason only, why should you deserve a comeback if YOU made a mistake?
this is pretty much what I thought after reading hhc's post :D in many games if u make a shitty start, it can cost u the game
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In T17, Elite, BnG, TTRR, Shopper, Roper, etcetera etcetera you can make mistakes the first few go's and still win it. I'm sure all of you have been 2vs4 behind in Elite or T17 or so. When you can make a comeback in such a game, surely you are the better player on the pitch and fully deserve the win.
Same goes for regular roper. If you're really the best player you'll keep your lead, if you're not so good, and you're playing against a veteran.. it'll be real hard to keep it up. That's how it should be IMO.
In w2roper you gotta be lucky the coin falls your way at the beginning of the game. (in 66% that's the better player's way, but in the other 34% it's the 'noob'). And after that there's virtually no opportunity to turn the game around anymore.
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Well obviously I can't change your opinion, but i'm happy with what I already said mate :)
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So, barman, how about a deadline? :)
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None Wolfgang or dibz bother to respond to my pm sent like 2 weeks ago? Awesomness.
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Deadline set. Please play the remaining groups games within 16 days.
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Will do. Sorry for the delay. I've got DJ Max Trilogy!
Csongi. We'll play Tuesday if that's ok!?
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Come on, chaps! Since this cup started, other cups finished not one, but several rounds and you're still stuck in the group phase.
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Wolfgang, I can play today since now to the evening, which is 18GMT (approximately, can't say exactly). I'm free whole Sunday so let's say 21GMT tomorrow then?
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Will do. Sorry for the delay. I've got DJ Max Trilogy!
Csongi. We'll play Tuesday if that's ok!?
time ?
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tomorrow sunday I can all day or now saturday , but monday and the rest of week cant coz I have test , friday only
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Ok, today we make it, how about 19GMT?
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How about we start knockouts and set deadlines for late groups ??
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How about we start knockouts and set deadlines for late groups ??
agree
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I've set the final deadline for groups.
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I've set the final deadline for groups.
I was 1st to finish groups.... can u proceed me ?
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I've set the final deadline for groups.
I was 1st to finish groups.... can u proceed me ?
No worries, I will proceed you as soon as the deadline ends.
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I have not seen in a while ANO for play :(
if it does not appear I will be disqualified
really ???
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A few weeks ago ANO said in our forum that he would be idle to not know how long. Btw i fixed the connession, when u want to play with me Kaleu? Sorry for this time :(
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Now if possible, because the deadline is ending.
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uff, right now I repaired the connection :<
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uff, right now I repaired the connection :<
Teh time you can play is when i am sleeping, can I report those games that crashed last time we played?
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Group 2: waiting for the result of Kaleu vs Sbaffo. As far as I understand, you have already tried to play the game, but did not finish it due to connection problems? Please resolve this ASAP, I see both of you fairly often on AG, shouldn't be really hard to arrange a game in a day or two?
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Barman I pm'd him but he has problems with connection, as you can see his problem is solved now, I'll be using Snooper again.
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Im online Between 4pm - 8pm GMT+10 Weekdays.
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Im online Between 4pm - 8pm GMT+10 Weekdays.
Barman please look at this: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/cups-complaints/101507-13520/
Pizzashit don't deserve to be in KO
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Why aren't you trying to play your game with Sbaffo?
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Kaleu if u want to play with me i'm always in ag at 12:30 GTM
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Why aren't you trying to play your game with Sbaffo?
What's the problem? I already told, the time he is available is my bed time,
but I am trying.
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Wolfgang, Im available from 4pm - 8pm (GMT+10) Weekdays, Although ill be availale on Friday 27th from 4pm(GMT+10) untill late...
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Sorry Wolfgang. My laptop overheated and shutoff during our 2nd game. Hope we find each other again soon, even though u are likely to win.
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random are u alive? D:
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barman, we're gonna need some deadlines here. There are 5 cups waiting to get started already and chances are, more cups are going to be waiting when those cups' turns are up.
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Deadline set. Reminder sent.
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hm...Ano...Where are you ? :D
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Is anyone really interested in this cup anymore?
I give you one more week guys, if it's not finished then I'm asking DarkOne to close the cup.
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Is anyone really interested in this cup anymore?
I give you one more week guys, if it's not finished then I'm asking DarkOne to close the cup.
just make semifinals Dulek vs Tomi and Wolfgang vs Dub ^^
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ano seems even more inactive than me xDD
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I am back csongi! I am in ag these days, even now.. call me !
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nice :)
Today/Tomorrow 19 gmt ?
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I'm interested . . . . been waiting for almost a month though.
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nice :)
Today/Tomorrow 19 gmt ?
I will be at gym at 19... Could we do at 23 or at 13.30?
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nice :)
Today/Tomorrow 19 gmt ?
I will be at gym at 19... Could we do at 23 or at 13.30?
at gym tomorrow,or today ?
23 gmt is too late for me during school.
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Didn't this Cup start like last year?
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3 months ago. But yeah, this cup is taking much longer than it should.
What can I say? ropers... ::)
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Csongi I am at home! let me know I will be here until 18.
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csongi i am in ag now and i guess a piece of this afternoon... i won t be at home tomorrow.. maybe tomorrow evening
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We could not play these days... Different horaires, and we failed...
Could we play tomorrow?
Tell me an horaires Csongi. You can't play in the evening, I could play on tomorrow at 13 or 14 if you can. TOday I won't be at home.
I hope mods can make us play as well, if not peace, and good luck Wolfgang with Dub...
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29th (tomorrow) @ 19 gmt ?
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We are in the same gtm...
Anyway I won't be at home at 19. I could be at home at 22 or during the day until 17 pm. Let me know if you find a time into this range from 8.30 a.m. TO 17.00 pm / from 22 pm TO 01 a.m. No wat, I won't be at home from 17 pm to 22 am.
Cheers,
ANO
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We are in the same gtm...
Anyway I won't be at home at 19. I could be at home at 22 or during the day until 17 pm. Let me know if you find a time into this range from 8.30 a.m. TO 17.00 pm / from 22 pm TO 01 a.m. No wat, I won't be at home from 17 pm to 22 am.
Cheers,
ANO
Ano we don't have the same time zones.I live in Romania (+3 atm).
I meant 19 gmt Greenwich time.
22 pm - 1 am it's too late.
I get home from school around 11 AM (Greenwich time). let's try 12:00 (Greenwich time) tomorrow (30th) ?
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Ye, but you have the hungarian flag, Hungary has the same gmt than me... I didn't know you were in Romany, Ive just looked at the flag... Yuo are 1 hour more than me if you live in Romany than. Anyway tomorrow I will not at home, I have a concert...
I use to not be at home from yr 18 to your 23...
After tomorrow at the same time that yu proposed for tomorrow it could be perfect for me.
So let's say 1st june at yr 12am? (so mine 11am)
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Ye, but you have the hungarian flag, Hungary has the same gmt than me... I didn't know you were in Romany, Ive just looked at the flag... Yuo are 1 hour more than me if you live in Romany than. Anyway tomorrow I will not at home, I have a concert...
I use to not be at home from yr 18 to your 23...
After tomorrow at the same time that yu proposed for tomorrow it could be perfect for me.
So let's say 1st june at yr 12am? (so mine 11am)
m'ehhh. I meant 12 am GREENWICH TIME that is 14:00 pm in Italy and 15:00 here :S :S
and the day after tomorrow is 31st May,not 1st June xDD
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ye sure...
Ok for may the 31? at 12 Greenwich time?
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ye xD
i'll let you know if anything happens and I can't make it :P
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okkkkk and so will I
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Feed me wolfgang
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1 hour left ano :)
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Good luck in the quarter finals! :)
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How about a deadline, barman? :) bottom half has already played their games.
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I hope 13 days will do, I think everyone left is active enough for that.
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tomi u exist? xD
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btw, bar, I got this pm from Dulek yesterday:
We seem like having an agreement for tomorrow in afternoon.
Dulek is online at the moment I'm writing this post.
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I have been online on #AG for whole afternoon and no response from Explosive.
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What's your decision, bar? It's been almost a month since this game was known and the deadline has been reached.
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Not Explosive but I sent him a pm + I was the only one who was on #AG in the afternoon at our arranged day.
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I just played with Explosive, didn't know you already proceeded me, lol. I'm adding attachments anyway.
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I'm arranging my game with ArtiC. Now that I'm back I've got time again.
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Excellent! :)
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ArtiC still hasn't respond to my pm even though he's been online today. ??? I'm sending next pm.
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I've waited like an eternity for all my next matchs. Just give me the gold, I am going to win anyways.
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What about this Cup ? Dulek and Artic, try to play your games pls so Mods can approve the others Cups ;)
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ArtiC said he's busy atm and the first free days for him will be on 12nd July. I said I can play at 19GMT, I hope he can also make it.
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ArtiC, how about showing you care about your place in this cup? You wouldn't be the first semifinalist to be kicked out due to laziness/inactivity.
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no, i want play xD
and i did spoke with dulek for pm but he dont answer
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Once again, I've got time tomorrow and day after tomorrow at 20 GMT. Or today now.
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i can to play in the weekend
or "now"
but not between tomorrow and wednesday (before 22gmt)
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On Saturday I can play at 20:15 GMT.
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Good luck in the finals, guys!
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Dub, I can play most days in the morning GMT or in the evening (after 20 GMT).
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I've set a deadline for the finals. I don't want to finish the cup on a low note, though, so please play :)
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I don't play w:a anymore. Sorry.
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im trying to catch dub , he told me by pm that he can play at anytime
(http://i.imgur.com/CWVSB.gif)
well, Dub still has 10 days to make up his mind :D
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He made it very clear to me that he won't change his mind about quiting WA and that he's only playing EAC
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Half year cup XD
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Half year cup XD
Hell yeah! The biggest event in the history of worms :D
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I'll just go ahead and proceed the final rounds then, shall I?