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Cups and Tournaments => Cups and Tournaments Comments => Topic started by: nappy on February 17, 2010, 03:15 PM
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gg
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"Deadlines
This is a pretty strict cup. We don't increase even 1 hour to the deadline. If you can't make it, do not register in this cup. If the deadline is passed, the players which has a better situation proceed."
I like that :)
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lmao, 6 players ?o0
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Thanx for hosting this.
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aw normal
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I hope Im not going to be mad withing this cup ;/ silly intermediate :D
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Ok lets play
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damn DT...
are we waiting for 64? :o
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was gonna. If it gets slow, 40 or 48 :)
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Shit, doubletime, hide everybody x_x
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yea! 128 not so far! :D
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Shit, doubletime, hide everybody x_x
I don't even know who you are??????
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Shit, doubletime, hide everybody x_x
I don't even know who you are??????
not everyone is as famous as You :D
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Shit, doubletime, hide everybody x_x
I don't even know who you are??????
not everyone is as famous as You :D
dt is even easy to detect under incognito :D
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Guys please keep this cup clean and lets focus on Intermediate itself :)
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Im not even doing anything lol i wonder why people keep smiting me..Not that it really matters.
I must say that i don't like the TNL scheme. The fact that worms hp drop to 1 is a preditable strategic factor. Wich means that if someone who planns right and keeps count on time can evaluate when SD Will start and use it to their advantage( Blocking enemie players for exempeL)
This is not elite. This is inter. BUt never mind i guess i will simply ask my pairs to use luckless vs me =D
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Both schemes have pros and cons - nnn is sometimes ultra boring while tnl lacks in tactics.
What about map choice? Is that open-open-cave by default unless both players agree for caves?
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Yes :)
The signups are getting slow. We'll start at 40. 2 more :)
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Great.
What about the criteria for creating groups? Does the system consider not to put members from same clan into same group? Somewhere in TUS forum I have read, that this happens surprisingly often. Or do you have skill rated criteria? Pure interest :)
Question to lacoste: Why does TNL scheme promise more eagerness then NNNl does? Since there I have supposed the contradiction. Because in my opinion TNL just prelong the match.
P.S.: I m sure most of NNN's never played TNL scheme before, me also just once..
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TUS Cups has a function when pairing groups, called 'smart pair' to avoid people from same clans, communities ... fall into same group. But it has a bug and most of the times it does the opposite :)
Anyway, I'll do a pure pairings rather than using it.
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Question to lacoste: Why does TNL scheme promise more eagerness then NNNl does? Since there I have supposed the contradiction. Because in my opinion TNL just prelong the match.
I had in mind waiting for sd in situations which sometimes lasts quite long just to pass 45 sec turn. Thats boring for me, and many people dont like it too. In TNL you cannon count on hp reduction, so chances to win in sd arent much changed in 1v2/3 situations. And hp reduction is just a chance - u can wait whole 10 min just for nothing. In TNL you have an advantage which u worked on whole match, no luck factor at the end.
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"P.S.: I m sure most of NNN's never played TNL scheme before, me also just once.."
I played it many times and after all its almost same, better play win:)
I am not TNL hater or lover... for me this new kind of SD is just a detail.
Anyway somehow all top players like Dario,Mablak,Johnmir,SirGorash,Terror and others prefer regular classic intermediate:) that's must mean something....
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TUS Cups has a function when pairing groups, called 'smart pair' to avoid people from same clans, communities ... fall into same group. But it has a bug and most of the times it does the opposite :)
Anyway, I'll do a pure pairings rather than using it.
u mean that program, which set random and me into the same group in hysteria cup?
it should named "stupid pair" :D
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omg group gg me xD
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aw to many pros in my group! gg
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I won 2-0 vs zoky..=DDD Were do i report the replays?
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Thanks MI.
Have fun all and best of luck.
P.S.: Since now, promise me 5 wins in row, John! :p
To lacoste: Yea, I got your point. But in a challenge vs. an equal opponent I think its the most fair way and by far the most nicest solution to bring a round to an end. I mean, nobody get surprised by SD. In my opinion the tactic for preparing for SD or trying to avoid his appearance, this is the most difficult and most challenging part of the game :-) Anyway, I m also happy to play our group match with TNL scheme.
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ZAJEBAN TURNIR >:(
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I set 10 days for deadline which is a lot I guess. When number of people on a cup increases, it doesn't mean deadline must increase too.
1 egg gets boiled around 6 minutes. 10 eggs get boiled around 6 mintues too ;)
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1 egg gets boiled around 6 minutes. 10 eggs get boiled around 6 mintues too ;)
I prefer 4 mins, dont like it too hard. ;D
But ur right, strong deadline makes sense.
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Added everyone from my group to MSN.
Good luck to everyone!
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Situation in first group looks very interesting :)
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antares ftw!!!
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anatres vs zoky was very very friendly match :).in last round he miss 1 duble kill,and he loose.nvm,we will beat mablak and we go in next pase :)
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where DT find inspiration for so many words in game lol.
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i can play 24.02
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where DT find inspiration for so many words in game lol.
Ok you lost. Can you please stop flaming now ?
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I want to join this cup! What did i need to do?\ Хочу учавствовать в кубке, что нужно делать?
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omf u talk about spaming hahhaha...go in our group,and read chat lol
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I returned my travel and recovered my computer today.I can play all matches in this week
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hacktrue, the cup has already started, but we will kick inactive players from it. Wait a few days and check here, we'll probably replace an inactive player with you. :)
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Thanks/ :D
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I returned my travel and recovered my computer today.I can play all matches in this week
That's good, our group is in little delay.
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hacktrue, the cup has already started, but we will kick inactive players from it. Wait a few days and check here, we'll probably replace an inactive player with you. :)
yeah, kick 10 ppls XD
btw put sabre on a waiting list.
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To my groupe members:
Tonight after 9 PM I am avaible to play. I will hang around at #AG. CU there.
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How many times can we play each person in our group? Once?
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arrrgh... still :-\waiting and checking...
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hacktrue the deadline for people was 5 days. We are the 4th day of the cup :)
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Thousan got replaced with hacktrue:
1. Already in another Intermediate cup
2. No activity. No response.
3. In the most inactive group.
hacktrue, you are in group 6.
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No sign of WeeM4n ... i was pretty much all this week in ag, saw him once but no response. I see he didn't played any game. I wanted to finish groups till weekend, because i need to leave home till 02. march. Cheers!
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What about Mablak antares?
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What about him? ... he is very active in OnL but maybe due to his timezone not all players from europe can always reach him.
We just played before he has gone to sleep :P
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Group 1 can easily live without Weeman, IMO. all the rest played all their games, if only one player got a win from Weeman and that way knocked someone else out, it just wouldn't be fair. Everybody play him or else just kick him out :)
EDIT: and btw, doubletime vs zoky is 1:0 only, unfinished or what?
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Agree, but in this situation all three of us have 2 losses :P ... so who qualify? Rounds are taken into account too or not.
I guess DT vs Zoky ended 2-0 but probably DT reported wrong. The replays are there anyway.
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Why i was substituted??
i was looking for my games e dont finded.I finded rafka,but he dont wanted to play when i finded he.Why I am out???
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vbl bro :D
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Sry, in my opinion a disqualification of Thouson of this CUP is pretty unfair. I just talked with him yesterday night, that so many ppl are hanging around online, but nobody wants to play this CUP... From my point of view he isnt guilty. Furthermore there are about 7 other wormers, who didnt player one single game too!
Some players denied to play, though there were online.. This is a lot more suspicious ^^
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Thousan got replaced with hacktrue:
1. Already in another Intermediate cup
2. No activity. No response.
3. In the most inactive group.
hacktrue, you are in group 6.
MOnkey,i am playing in this cups,i am active and i put many msgs in box of tus talking:"inter cup n1?".If i am in most inactie group,u can replaced many players more inactives them me,correct?
I am waiting response...
Obs:Thnks Joschi.
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Sry, in my opinion a disqualification of Thouson of this CUP is pretty unfair. I just talked with him yesterday night, that so many ppl are hanging around online, but nobody wants to play this CUP... From my point of view he isnt guilty. Furthermore there are about 7 other wormers, who didnt player one single game too!
Some players denied to play, though there were online.. This is a lot more suspicious ^^
There are other inactive players, yes. But I had to kick somebody at last ;)
Thouson do your best. You are back.
@hacktrue,
Your group has changed.
@Group1,
If things goes this way, probably antares will proceed because of having 1 won round.
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Ok.Thakns Monkey.Now i ill continue looking for my adversaries in ag and tus
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I recently sent out tourney notices to all players and so far I've received replies from 2 people: NAiL and Thouson.
But guys, with such a short deadline, you need to arrange your games!
Use this forum to set a date and a time to get your games played like: I'll be in AG next saturday at 8:00 PM GMT.
If you can't make it at that time, then suggest another time.
Don't say you'll be in AG, because you'll be bound to play another game with someone else or you'll be idling on snooper and therefore not pay attention to whether your opponent is there.
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Group 1 can easily live without Weeman, IMO. all the rest played all their games, if only one player got a win from Weeman and that way knocked someone else out, it just wouldn't be fair. Everybody play him or else just kick him out :)
EDIT: and btw, doubletime vs zoky is 1:0 only, unfinished or what?
No i won 2-0
I guess i did a misstake.--
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Agree, but in this situation all three of us have 2 losses :P ... so who qualify? Rounds are taken into account too or not.
I guess DT vs Zoky ended 2-0 but probably DT reported wrong. The replays are there anyway.
I guess it means we will have a 3 way tie for the second person to leave the group since we all won 2 rounds and lost 4 rounds.... Im loving it XDDDDDDDD and im going to change my team names again so nobody will know my worms order. And im going to take your'e order from the replay before we play the tie so you better do so as well Ant =P Allready got zokys replay.
Btw are the 2 players who qualify fromt he group going to meat predeterimned players or is it going to be randomized ?
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The second player of group 1, will meet the first player of group 2.
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LoL DT, i won all games 2-0 and lost 1 with 2-1 so I'm already qualified :P
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Fhtagn! :D Maybe someone want to play? remind me at Skype(seek me by my @-mail hacktrueua@gmail.com) or send me messages on TUS account) ... or write here... or send me a letter... or hack my computer and write it on my desktop... xD
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Hey there, again I will be at #ag from 9 pm+ tomorrow morning at 9 am. I hope we will meet us there.
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CONGAT ANATERS M8 :).
DT I CANT LISTEN ANY MORE HOW U BEAT "ME",so i have proposition for u...
we will have 1 bet..
we play bo5 match..cave,cave,island,island,cave,i hope u know why this order,an dthen who loose MI will delete his account from tus!!!!!!!!!!
agree?
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lets play guys
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CONGAT ANATERS M8 :).
DT I CANT LISTEN ANY MORE HOW U BEAT "ME",so i have proposition for u...
we will have 1 bet..
we play bo5 match..cave,cave,island,island,cave,i hope u know why this order,an dthen who loose MI will delete his account from tus!!!!!!!!!!
agree?
I don't want you to delete the acount. How about this instead.
We play bo5. Winner gets to report 10 wins and loser zero ?
Allso i think it is unfair that im being knocked out while
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i dont accept this.
life ban on this site,or nothing
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Guys, keep this thread for the cup only. For other things:
(http://d1.worms2d.info/pm.png)
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hacktrue, check your privat mailbox!
h1dd3en is in vacation this week, I hope I will reach him monday evening!
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3 days to start knockouts. Hurry! :)
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I don't think in that game was a DoubleTime...
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I don't think in that game was a DoubleTime...
It was me. And yes take the 2 zip win i didnt have the time to play it so i decided to give it to ya
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Joschi, check your skype) today 21.00
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sorry but i havent time for normal...
and very hard group :p )
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sorry but i havent time for normal...
and very hard group :p )
nice attitude for a clan leader ;)
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and clan leaders have problems ...
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sorry but i havent time for normal...
and very hard group :p )
I hope this guy will be baned for next TUS cups :)
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JOHNMIR, MENSON AND SP3CK!!!!
I have just PM'd you all the following message:
We need to play our intermediate cup games, I can play from 14:00 to 00:00 GMT on Sunday the 28th of Feburary (tomorrow). Please get back to me ASAP, BY PM!
Sunday is an active day for wormers and I'll basically have the whole day to play these games.
MODS!
Sp3ck and I have been organising by PM but have missed each other. Hopefully I'll get all the games done by tomorrow.
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sorry but i havent time for normal...
and very hard group :p )
I hope this guy will be baned for next TUS cups :)
ty, you 2 ^^
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Have had responses from Sp3ck and Johnmir, we should be playing today.
No reply from Menson though.
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sp3k or spek :D
yeah should get games done this afternoon/evening
dunno about menson though, shall pm him again in a min..
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*yawnss as he stares at #ag player list*
johnmir is late for games.. next time I'm getting people's msn for this ¬¬
... + phone number!
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@MI: Thanks again for hosting. As you probably know, your hosted rounds ended in 1-1. Now we just have finished our game, final result 2-1 for me. We just have a problem, I dont have the replays of the first two rounds, just of the final round... coz I played the very first rounds at a foreign computer :D
I asked hacktrue to report, but it seems system just allows the winner to report. So can you complet my report with the replays? Thanks.
P.S.: Damn you lacoste, you are still in front :)
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Yay, our group was really active yesterday! Nice battle Sp3k and NAiL, thank you for the matches!
I hope to catch Menson today, this game can be important, if i'm right.
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P.S.: Damn you lacoste, you are still in front :)
I suppose our direct match matters, in this case you are in the front.
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Last day of the deadline. Play the rest your games!!
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Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidddeen, what about an answer to my 2 PM's? Since now, I m online whole day/evening.
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phew I just won my 3rd cup game .... 7 minnutes before end of deadline :)
I must say Fenyrs asked me for a game 2 or 3 times... but I always couldnt play :-[
So he should get free win :-[
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Good job all :)
5 days for the 1st round of Knockouts.
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ROFL MAO AT PROCEEDS!
It's typical for dp maybe: more games played - you are better.
What the f@#! there lol?
Look at this shit:
I've beaten Joschi and he is 1st, I am second. Very fair!
I don't care of Hidden who had managed to play vs Joschi after the deadline, I tried to contact him,
shoutbox, cup, gtalk, etc.
Group 3:
You proceed zolo-du lol! Fenrys has beaten him! Is it so difficult to think ae?
Group 5:
Spw and fad - same thing...You did not proceed a guy who has beaten first place of group.
But you did proceed a guy who had hardly played 3 rounds.
Group 6:
dsa is first! ROFLLMAO
For Koras: That's not because I have to play vs Mablak, I like to play vs good players but
this knockout order is really shit.
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Woheee, 6 of 8 NNNs stepped into the next stage !! I m proud of you guys, lets pick up the cup :D
@Antares: Die nächste Woche kann ich jeweils nur vormittags spielen. Geht das für dich in Ordnung?
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@pr:
DO NOT JUDGE THE MOD!!!! ;D
When the number of wins are equal, I value more games because that simply means the guy searched "a tiny bit" more for his games to play.
Cheers
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For Koras: That's not because I have to play vs Mablak, I like to play vs good players but
For pr: keep in mind if U beat Mablak (2,34%) U will play vs winner of Koras/SiD ;D
But seriously I agree with you..... like I said it wasn't Fenyrs fault.
It was mine fault :-\ We didnt play because of me!
He was thinking it will be easy to catch me in ag(I am there almost everyday) but in last few days I was quite busy so I couldn't play vs him.Same about his game vs Samur...(maybe Samur lost motivation after 3 lose in row.. so it could be impossible to catch him).
Decision about FaD is very fair, this dick doesnt play his games again(pls ban him for next cups:P).
"north" half of tree rocks !!!!!!!!!!
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WTF, why i am not in playoff, i asked Domi and Dimitry 15 times to playing and no answer. How i can beat theirs if they don't wont play???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@pr:
DO NOT JUDGE THE MOD!!!! ;D
When the number of wins are equal, I value more games because that simply means the guy searched "a tiny bit" more for his games to play.
Cheers
time for impeachment i guess
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WTF, why i am not in playoff, i asked Domi and Dimitry 15 times to playing and no answer. How i can beat theirs if they don't wont play???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I confirm it. Viks always showed great interest in playing with me. Unfortunately, I couldn't play in those times.
Sorry viks.
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NP mate,i just think it's early for playoff, in several groups situation is not clear and i don't know why MOD so hurry, better is groups leave open
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Sorry guys :(
I came clear at the start of the cup. The only thing you needed to do was to post here that you wanna play but your opponents can't play. but I got nothing from you. 10 days was the deadline and I said this is an strict cup.
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Viks, I understand your anger. But seriously, this show repeats each tourney. Doesnt matter who hosts... just after a deadline/decision is fallen the complains start. We all knew the exact deadline, so why you didnt complained about your opponents before? I m sorry for you, especially because I know your attitude and interest in tourneys.
"north" half of tree rocks !!!!!!!!!!
Very true!
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Thank you Monkey for cup, I told Koras 2 times play with me, but he say later later, and I cant today, Samur this guy - I cant see him on channal a lot of days. My grope name is who play with Samur first - this win, very nice...
We have with Zolodu on 2 wons, but he play in play off, its fare?
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I see in tus cups is most important to get group whit active players,no to be best, i have score 1:1 like SPW,but he had better luck and going in playoff. This is boolsheet :-\ :-\ :-\
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1. It is not TUS Cups, it is THIS specific cup!!
2. It is funny I made myself clear about the cup, and none of you say ANYTHING in the first 10 days, now that the deadline is over, all people complain.
3. SiD in your group has 2 wins and 2 loses in the first 10 days. You have 1 win and 1 lose in the first 10 days. What more could I do about you?
4. @fenrys, people posted here, pmed on MSN, pmed me on AG and told me that they can't find their opponent, you did none of them. What did you expect me to do?
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Your cup, your rules, but i still think it's not serious, all compliments for your effort, but it should be most better, for example leave open groups where is not clear situation. Why is deadline so important?
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All respect to you :), Have you seen elite cup? Look exactly when it started.
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I know that, but in 10 days all group games to finish....no chance man
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Ey, sorry for still posting my opinion. But all this drama wouldnt have started, if you guys would have posted just one word before deadline ends. Because once a decision is fallen, its not easy to take it back, without starting another drama... Keep that in mind for coming tourney, k? :-)
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Hey, NickyNick! Have played with you for a long time! Nice to meet on the way, but we meet too early...
Are you able to play tomorrow evening (4th of March), something about 18-20.00 GMT?
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All respect to you :), Have you seen elite cup? Look exactly when it started.
I had pro players in my cup. And I am happy that really GOOD players took part in the last stages of the cup.
A lot of guys have real life and not so much time to play worms.
I know just a few geeks, beer, zippo, guaton, koras, monkey guys who are available to play 24/7.
Since the Intermediate average age is higher than in other schemes I guess all of these ppl have a lot of things to do besides worms.
Proceeding "most active" guys was not fair and was not explained in the cup rules.
This could cause a lot of rumours about TUS bad reputation (like your lame and cheap BnG style)
You've just eliminated some good players and made your cup noobish.
I do appreciate your will to make your cup strict and fast but it looks very similar to CWT (Even Koras has moaned me about it)
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Why you are censoring yourself a lot? XD
1. I didn't mean you mod elite cup bad at all. That's was nowhere near my point. I was just showing an example of a loooong cup.
2. If cups comes and get closed in a reasonable time, (Like T17 cups Dmitry hosted), then we can always have Inter cup around. I think this is what most people want. Other people are welcome to host the next Inter cup.
3. You are judging me by proceeding most active guys, like if someone doesn't know what happened here, he thinks I proceed people with 4 loses just because they played 4 games. I actually don't wanna repeat myself that I cleared everything from the start ...
4. Play your games!!
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3. You are judging me by proceeding most active guys
you are NOT proceeding most active guys,
you are proceeding guys WHOSE OPPONENTS had time - it is NOT a fault of "LESS ACTIVE" guys.
Why should I join TUS cup next time if I am not sure whether it's fair enough?
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Ey, sorry for still posting my opinion. But all this drama wouldnt have started, if you guys would have posted just one word before deadline ends. Because once a decision is fallen, its not easy to take it back, without starting another drama... Keep that in mind for coming tourney, k? :-)
this!
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Ey, sorry for still posting my opinion. But all this drama wouldnt have started, if you guys would have posted just one word before deadline ends. Because once a decision is fallen, its not easy to take it back, without starting another drama... Keep that in mind for coming tourney, k? :-)
this!
THIS:
phew I just won my 3rd cup game .... 7 minnutes before end of deadline :)
I must say Fenyrs asked me for a game 2 or 3 times... but I always couldnt play :-[
So he should get free win :-[
Did that affect KO places?
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Are you able to play tomorrow evening (4th of March), something about 18-20.00 GMT?
Yeh, let's try.
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Why should I join TUS cup next time if I am not sure whether it's fair enough?
Simply because that will be hosted by another mod and different decisions. :)
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I do appreciate your will to make your cup strict and fast but it looks very similar to CWT (Even Koras has moaned me about it)
So far I m the hoster (Zemke and probably Random00 aswell) of next CWT tourney, thats why I would like to know where you have got your informations from. As I can remember you didn't participated, nor visited our forums once. You judge again about something in a negative way, thought you even didn't make your own experiences. Ok, we tried ONCE a strict cup, because the previous ones lasted about 3 months, so there were some canceled games and some unhappy fellas. But believe me, at the same time there were also a lot of pro-speakers.
I dislike your manner to speak more about other peoples situations then just concern on your own.
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Why should I join TUS cup next time if I am not sure whether it's fair enough?
Simply because that will be hosted by another mod and different decisions. :)
simply cuz the site ADMIN acts like this it could be a reason.
Seems like you've lost some actuve guys who can moan about lameness of TUS.
gl with CTW, Joshi! ;)
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Knockout games must be played Best of 5, but fields for replays just a 3... ???
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Use "Add more replays", Luke.
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dsa, when u have time to play?
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Use "Add more replays", Luke.
ahh, yep ))
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I will be available this days, Joschi ... didn't see you in ag yesterday or in this morning so i guess i'll catch ya later!
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ahhhhh, I m there!! lets play now, later i cant
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Omg! 5 rounds played since there, still no winner found. Antares and me will continue this afternoon, at 18 GMT.
Funny rounds, not very likely for our common playing xD
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pr and I tried to arrange a time to play, but can't until tomorrow. Can we do anything about this?
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Ok, try to get it done by tomorrow. SPW and dsa, manage your games. Deadline is over.
Other players can continue.
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I'd like to play vs dsa and I'm online almost every day. But I dont see him rly in wormnet.
Sorry about that, but u know, that I play my games if there is a chance for it.
dsa, read my post above and give me a date. I can play today. It's up to you.
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5 days for round 2 of knockouts. Get your games done on time guys :)
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Jonmir, Koras, Mablak and Rafka, Hurry up!!
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I usually see Koras on msn most days :0.
You gonna be around tomorrow Kor? 19 GMT to 8 GMT any time?
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I usually see Koras on msn most days :0.
You gonna be around tomorrow Kor? 19 GMT to 8 GMT any time?
yes I will be online.
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Looking forward to see ur awesome replays :)
good luck anyways.
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SPW! You're on-line ... let's play :)
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Not always, when I'm online, I can play a bo5 series ;)
And anyway, we do have some time, deadline for semifinals not even started yet. So let me train in the mean time a bit more that funny scheme :D
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Good job people! Another 5 days for the next round. :)
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Pr said about our game with Rafka: "lol, 5 rounds SD, next time use TNL scheme".
Exactly!
Lol, Pr! In fact, i don't like what is going on, in stead of nice tactics, nice moves people just wait for SD using Skunks, Girders and Petrols, some of them even call this hard, lol. To seperate two worms further from each other, oh cmon. In such situations i would use TNL scheme actually, and next time i will do. Should warn Koras about that.
Lol, i play not too often lately. But last 2-3 gamesi played was about boring end (just boring, not interesting, just lame tries to win). But okay, it is in the rules, i agree, it is also can be rational. Just one question: Lol, i played only 3 games and got bored already, but you, guys, play EVERY day like that. How do you manage to continue?
To Koras: friend i respect you too much to let you win me by luck. Only by your great skill and mastership (which you got enough!)
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I know we have some time, SPW. But i rather play it before deadline and not be stressed by it.
Anyway, you'll find me in AG these days if you considered you trained enough. :)
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Are U trying to say,U prefer this modified schemme made by someone who doesnt played intermedaite at all? :'(
if U are so pro you can kill your enemy before SD :) i didnt saw all yours 5 sd rounds vs Rafka but I quess U played boring too....
I played vs Rafka a loots of games, in fact he is not very agressive player so we finish after SD very often too.But if I play very well I win before thus 'f@#!ing' sd ...
Anyway np I dont need SD to win, we can play TNL if U want.
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if U are so pro you can kill your enemy before SD :)
if you are so pro you can kill your opponent without playing a game, but sadly you are not chuck norris
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Even if i played boring it was cause i played 4th or 5th game this month. Just no shape for creative moves. Not cause i sit for 40 seconds and watching the clock every turn.
I don't care who made this scheme! If i consider it well balanced - it is nice, even if 5 years old kid made it. Btw, i don't say NNN-luckless is bad, i just an answer your words.
Lol. If we talk serious: consider the way of playing - waiting for SD. It is exactly the same as dud mines. You can predict, mine doesn't work. At the same time you can predict SD happenes on your turn, or your opponent's turn, it is just random, so the situation is close to dud mines. Why we turned dud mines off, but doesn't turn SD off. It is pretty logical. If you don't agree, motivate your answer.
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I guess he can't motivate his answer since he has arguments like
"who doesnt played intermedaite at all?"
It sounds like the argument:
"Koras, you were working for the Queen and you english is sitll so fra form idael liek taht!
Hwo colud yuo jujde?"
The thing is that nobody can predict SD for 100% sure.
Even if there will be a guy with a stopwatch. Even if the SD timer is 00:00 after the turn there is no possibility for it to say, yeah, it's next turn 1000% sure.
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Lol. If we talk serious: consider the way of playing - waiting for SD. It is exactly the same as dud mines. You can predict, mine doesn't work. At the same time you can predict SD happenes on your turn, or your opponent's turn, it is just random, so the situation is close to dud mines. Why we turned dud mines off, but doesn't turn SD off. It is pretty logical. If you don't agree, motivate your answer.
That.
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The endless SD vs non SD discussion :P
Aren't there enough topics dedicated for that? I know we have at least two in our forum.
I don't agree with you John in the case of dud mines analogy. As you know, i started to change my playing style to a more aggressive play, just for the fun of it. But i used to built my whole strategy around SD: like deciding from the first move if a game will reach SD or not and adjusting my resources accordingly.
It is indeed like the river card in a texas hold'em poker ;) So you have to react properly and it is the ''card'' that changes all, so there is another variable you must take into account. It means that it will make the game even more complex that it already is ... which explains why also other players like Dario or Mablak think that it is indeed part of strategy and advanced planning techniques.
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The endless SD vs non SD discussion :P
Aren't there enough topics dedicated for that? I know we have at least two in our forum.
I don't agree with you John in the case of dud mines analogy. As you know, i started to change my playing style to a more aggressive play, just for the fun of it. But i used to built my whole strategy around SD: like deciding from the first move if a game will reach SD or not and adjusting my resources accordingly.
It is indeed like the river card in a texas hold'em poker ;) So you have to react properly and it is the ''card'' that changes all, so there is another variable you must take into account. It means that it will make the game even more complex that it already is ... which explains why also other players like Dario or Mablak think that it is indeed part of strategy and advanced planning techniques.
senseless post without any arguments for SD version.
It sounds like there is a crate with 1000 health which falls at the SD time and we need to stand this luck factor just for fun.
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Senseless quotation of previous post :P
If you've read my post (or maybe you did but didn't understood) you would have noticed i mentioned something about adapting to a changing situation and building a whole strategy along that ... some real life similarities ... which reminds me to ask you: what you do for a living? what profession you have? so i can draw a few conclusion just for myself. Thanks!
Btw: it seems that Dario, Mablak, myself and others were wrong about SD ... my apologies ;)
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Building strategy around the luck factor is a very good point.
Why do u always quote mablak and dario? Do you have your own opinion?
Life and worms scheme are not comparable. I think you all just got used to that scheme and don't want to change your mood just cuz Dario told that.
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It's my opinion long before i met players like Daz, Mab and many others i didn't named just to keep the list short. But unlike others i don't think i hold the supreme truth... and there was no quote, like i said ... just mentioned few (which are probably in top 3 players all time).
And Dario didn't told anyone anything, he is inactive since quite a while so just leave him out of this. He is not clan leader nor authority so the opinions and similarities between me (others) and him are from way back (probably more than 5 years). Can't stand when someone is bringing Daz in discussion and others start to question the reason he is brought up in just because of frustration or other reason. (not your case though).
And besides, SD isn't a luck factor for me. It's just part of the context, and the wormer who is better prepared and can play in tight situation (like knowing if you will miss it's gg) wins. Plain and simple.
I repeat, everyone is entitled to personal opinion so don't try to impose yours as supreme truth. I respect yours and John's view on this so try to do the same. Thanks!
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naabs :)
too drunk to read it
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Like I said some time ago i am not any SD lover or hater.
But I disagree with Johnmir,pr and Tenori opinion about sd.
In my opinion tnl intermediate is more boring then regular one.
why? just because U cant win if U had unlucky positions at start....
btw waiting for SD is not tactic.. its just PART of tactic:)
Does he lose second round vs Rafka because of SD? ;)
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I wonder what you guys hope to reach. This conversation is absolutly obsolete, shown by endless threads where the same issues already have been discussed. I suppose Johnmir got more bored of Rafkas extremly defensive gameplay then of the scheme. Could have been also TNL.
I must admit, that Koras came around with - from my point of view - the best argument:
- "just because U cant win if U had unlucky positions at start...." means the luck factor of starting positions increases. Really lol, you try to eliminate the "luck factor" (in fact I wouldnt call it luck) SD, but at the same time the luck factor for start positions raise up. As a consequence you should delete random placement. So you reach step by step your favorit scheme: elite.
Gl Antares, since you have beaten me, you are my favorit for the cup :D Use the "black power" of SD xD
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Hello, guys!
First of all, thank you for all the opinions!
Koras, Joschi and Antares: i actually agree with your reasons (as you remember i was even against cutting creates from the scheme long time ago and i actually agree that SD makes intermediate more unstandart and well balanced), but the thing i hate is that games become like "lame waiting" since someone starts to win, in stead of finding a way of clever tactical moves and great plans. Just watch old games, lol you all play not the first year. Remember how YOU (not me, not Dario, not Jigsaw). You were winning games on a last turns, when your opponents were leading badly by great ideas and unstandart moves. Now 90% of you just prefer to wait to SD. Sitting near PC for 40 sec and do shotgun in last 5 sec.
So, Joschi, you are very close to the truth. I got really bored exactly cause of that, and i don't blame Rakfa! LOL, 90% people play exactly the f@#!ing same!
At the same time, I admit i can be far behind modern playing, and just don't understand something, anyway it is up to you, how to play, i just explain you what i can't understand and what i can't take as it is going now. You are those - who decide.
PS. Again, i'm glad we discussed it somehow again, and it helped me to understand the situation better, but i talk about "evolution" of player's style, not about the scheme itself. It is good. And, Tenori and Pr, Koras is right here (in my opinion), if we don't have SD:
-U can waste all ropes before SD (if U force him to waste a loots of ropes), its np for him cause he can play 'slow' too)
-U will win if U had better positions
-tactic sux cause when opponent lead.... he must just hide well and use shotgun
I'm really afraid of spoiling NNN-luckless scheme by cutting SD off it.
PS2. Koras, friend, i was actually too angry after that game with Rafka. I say "sorry", i still suggest to play NNN-luckless (not TNL-intermediate) in our game if you don't mind. I hope i explained why i said that.
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Again, Johnmir gets applaud from me because he exactly took the point from my mouth (with his first part) :)
Building tactics around SD isn't that bad itself, even though it's a luck factor (you can be Mablak or Dario, but still you are not able to predict when will SD come for sure - after this turn or after the next one). But the thing which really pisses off is that kind of tactic which involves wasting turn time for nothing. It's just f@#!ing lame to compensate the lack of creativity with such "STRATEGIC ELEMENT", that's it. Whatever, I want "spend 40 seconds" button in the next update, it will help a lot, lol.
In my opinion tnl intermediate is more boring then regular one.
why? just because U cant win if U had unlucky positions at start....
This is nonsense and you know it :) You can start with -2 and still win, if you can think deeply and turn your lack of worms to advantage (hello, John!).
Really lol, you try to eliminate the "luck factor" (in fact I wouldnt call it luck) SD, but at the same time the luck factor for start positions raise up.
Yeah rofl, let's fight SD luck with starting positions luck! Emo versus suicide, rock versus drugs.
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in stead of finding a way of clever tactical moves and great plans. Just watch old games, lol you all play not the first year. Remember how YOU (not me, not Dario, not Jigsaw). You were winning games on a last turns, when your opponents were leading badly by great ideas and unstandart moves. Now 90% of you just prefer to wait to SD. Sitting near PC for 40 sec and do shotgun in last 5 sec.
So, Joschi, you are very close to the truth. I got really bored exactly cause of that, and i don't blame Rakfa! LOL, 90% people play exactly the f@#!ing same!
I dont know what is your problem I am much better then I was 2 years ago:)
Mablak is very creative player, but he is also great thinker thats why he won his last 40 games in our league.
Rafka is Rafka... he always take his time(40 s for almost every tourn) but then he complaing about SD(even if it comes in his tourn).I was trying to explain him how it works but he doesnt listen. Not my problem ............
This is nonsense and you know it Smiley You can start with -2 and still win, if you can think deeply and turn your lack of worms to advantage (hello, John!).
I said unlucky positions not regular -2.
Really lol, you try to eliminate the "luck factor" (in fact I wouldnt call it luck) SD, but at the same time the luck factor for start positions raise up.
This is exactly what I mean.
I have better idea:
lets remove this STUPID rule about no knocks in elite!!!!!
Building tactics around SD isn't that bad itself, even though it's a luck factor (you can be Mablak or Dario, but still you are not able to predict when will SD come for sure - after this turn or after the next one). But the thing which really pisses off is that kind of tactic which involves wasting turn time for nothing. It's just f@#!ing lame to compensate the lack of creativity with such "STRATEGIC ELEMENT", that's it. Whatever, I want "spend 40 seconds" button in the next update, it will help a lot, lol.
I think the point is to have a good plan if SD comes in yours or enemy tourn :-[
Yes waiting for SD can be boring.... This button would be very useful ;)
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I have better idea:
lets remove this STUPID rule about no knocks in elite!!!!!
no way!
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I think the point is to have a good plan if SD comes in yours or enemy tourn :-[
Usually, this "plan" is like "Okay, if it comes on my turn, I rope here and use lg there, gg. If it comes on enemy's turn, I'm f@#!ed". Not really too complicated, just a few patterns.
Also, dear NNN members, stop smiting me everywhere you see me, rofl. I don't smite you for your opinions, it's not funny :D
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I have better idea:
lets remove this STUPID rule about no knocks in elite!!!!!
no way!
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Dont compare Intermediate with Elite.
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I vote for knocking in elite! :D
(lol, j/k guys)
Well, you and MAblak are special cases. I think you know what you do. But a lot of player watch your playing. Koras, i reraly play and this tendantion of waiting for SD looks very obvious for me. People find a way to have chances with no skill and brain. It is not like i'm angry they can win vs me or you playing like that. If i lose a game - i will never say i lost cause of SD, but when people don't see a lot of things and don't even try to open their eyes, that's so lame :( If i act the same, i just say "sorry, i'm too lazy to think now", but some people suppose it is an nice way to improve lol. Anyway, i said all i want. It was actually usefull for me to hear your thoughts. Sorry for opening an old story! :)
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I have better idea:
lets remove this STUPID rule about no knocks in elite!!!!!
no way!
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Dont compare Intermediate with Elite.
I wasnt serious ;D
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Koras and johnmir comon. Don't wait till the last hours!!
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Can understand them. They know, this is the "real final". The winner plays vs me and will win 90:10. So let them time, I dont care to wait anyway :)
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God, Koras is not coming, it is 23.00 here. Will wait him till 1.00. Don't know what to do if he doesn't come cause it will be our mistake. We could have played before. This game must be played, no way for tech win here... :(. Lol, looks like it is the first eveninig we can't play.
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In fact, guys, and MonkeyIsland, i know Koras, he never miss planned games. It actually looks like 1) he just lost connection - problems with internet, 2) he has some personal problems (serious) - i hope he hasn't though. We both me and Koras were keeping time to prepair better and find a good time to play, cause we were sure we meet in time. Dear MonkeyIsland, give us a chance to play this game tomorrow evening, please. If me or Koras (depends on who win this game) won't play final till the final deadline (game vs SPW) you just give SPW gold. So we will have to play two games till the last deadline.
This game should be played!
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Did you guys arrange for a new time?
I think SPW would rather lose the finals against a deserving opponent than get the gold medal by default
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f@#! I totally forgot about this game :-[
was watching Champions League with friends :)
tomorrow I can play only in the morning or afternoon... cause in the evening I going out for birthday party :)
Unfortunately i am almost sure Johnmir can play only in the evening...
Next time we must agree GMT time because for me now is evening:)
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/russia/moscow/time/index.htm
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I could play friday evening, can you? 20.00 GMT. (it is evening for both of us :P) So we will have to catch SPW on weekend and finish the tourney.
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Like I said, there is no problem for me coz of waiting. So MI, just let Koras and Johnmir Time, to play it. And I defently wont win gold by default - never ever I want that.
Take it easy, in that case we can take it more easy with last games in this cup. ;)
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Okay we can play tomorrow or day after tomorrow ;)
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Hey, Antares, let's play 3rd place match on Wednesday evening, something like 19.00-20.00 GMT! What do you think?
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Hey SPW, when do U want play final?
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@ John: ok, hope to be on-line today. I can play now or for the next 4-5 hours, dunno after that. So if you could come a bit earlier, like 18:00 (or earlier) max 19:00 GMT should be ok. Cya!
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Hmm... i can't stay any longer tonight John. And tomorrow i leave city for a personal issue (father of a friend died). So i you can take the bronze since i am not being able to play until Sunday.
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Hey SPW, when do U want play final?
heeeeeeeeeeeey :)
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It would be nice to play on Sunday! And let's hope we finish the tourney!
SPW, Koras, let's finish it till Sunday! I'm sorry, MonkeyIsland, we asked you to wait but now tourney is going to slow down a bit. Hope we finish on this weekend!
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Hey SPW, when do U want play final?
heeeeeeeeeeeey :)
Hey Koras, from today till sunday, u can choose a date. But: I cant host since one week. Hope u can. :)
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yea I can host, just on your snooper when U will be online
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Guys it is getting late. Koras, SPW, Antares and Johnmir! move move!!
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Guys it is getting late. Koras, SPW, Antares and Johnmir! move move!!
We just played final, gg's
Thanks for host this nice cup and special thanks for my opponents who showed spirit of sport :)
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Now get the bronze game done so you can have the second huge inter cup =P
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Hi, Antares!
Darkone and MI push me (us) to play our 3rd place match. To be fair, i try to catch you almost every evening (lol, may be every). I don't like to have "unplayed games" and it is a headache to always keep in mind i need to play a game. I know you had personal problems but i think It's time to ask the mods for a tech win (no any hard feelings! but this game is a headache lol). So if you don't mind let me ask the mods to close the tourney! (you know i'm not happy with getting tech win)
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Congrats, KORITAS! *Concrete DOnkey* ::)
Thanks to TUS for hosting this nice tourney, I followed it until end at silent spectateur :-)
My hats off also for Spw, killing our old man Antares. Unbelievable there could have been 4 NNN at last two games :D
I hope we can revenge us one time with hosting also such a big tourney, with you as guests!
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I would also like to thank the MODs for this great tourney! I don't play many tourney lately and this tourney was the one i took part in cause i saw it as the most exciting. And I wasn't disappointed: nice players, nice organization, nice atmosphere! See you all soon in other challenges!
Congradulations to Koras, our champion!
Congradulations to SPW with the 2nd place!
PS. Congradulations Johnmir/Antares with the 3rd place, the hardest-medal guy :)
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Gj Koras and SPW.
This is getting long enough. It's a shame if we don't see antares around. I'll give it 5 more days to handle the games, if not, Johnmir will take the 3rd place.
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I am around, actually was here since sunday, as i already said in my previous post. It's just i am not around when John is (after 17 GMT) and he is not around when i am (usually before 18 GMT) :P
Regarding tech win, i suggested it first, before i left to the funeral i mentioned.
I can play today aswell but not after 18:00 GMT, because it's Bayern Munchen vs Manchester today. I am not a football fan but i am big Bayern fan (like all that is made in bavaria) xD
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I am not a football fan but i am big Bayern fan (like all that is made in bavaria) xD
Kewl! Antares is a fan of meEEE!! The things have changed, my old worms idol adore me :D
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I am around, actually was here since sunday, as i already said in my previous post. It's just i am not around when John is (after 17 GMT) and he is not around when i am (usually before 18 GMT) :P
Then now would be the time to arrange a time and day to get your games played.
MI, could we have a little red text popping up every time someone visits a cup page? :) "If you're playing in one of these cups and can't find your opponent, arrange a day and time to get it played!"
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Aha, well, i was in wormnet till 18.00 gmt (i played all the sunday), and i didn't meet you, by the way, i'm always online in msn, didn't see you in msn, and didn't get any message from you (in spite of i didn't even turn my PC off when i left home). Anyway, if the mods give us a chance let's do it, but to be fair, i work a standart 9 hours day, and i only able to come back at 16.00 gmt. By the way, on monday (yesterday) i came at 15.45 gmt and was online all the evening. But you didn't come at all, in spite of you said you were going to came. I say it to find out the truth. Not to insult you and i believe you. But i was pretty active lately (almost every day). Now i will have to play in not any comfortable time cause i'm leaving country soon, and probably have some things to do :P.
Anyway, let's try! Lol, i don't know what i can try though. Just join msn please, when you are able to play!
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Then now would be the time to arrange a time and day to get your games played.
Just in case you missed it :)
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Okay, sorry for missing that important phrase :))).
Hey, Antares, I can play (game start time) on:
Wednesday: 17-20.00 GMT
Thursday: 18-20.00 GMT
Friday: 14-20.00 GMT
Choose time you can play at in the ranges i mentioned, please.
My city time is gmt+4 now (usually +3 but it's a summer time now). Be careful with a time definition please.
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My msn doesen't quite work, i have some sign in problems. I was in ag yesterday waiting aswell and left 30-45 min before the Champions League game and didn't see you. I don't remember monday but i guess i was in ag too until 18:00 gmt. I will be today again, starting 12 GMT until around 18 max 19 GMT.
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Okay, i will try to catch you around 17.00 GMT! (btw, yes, yesterday i got back home at about 18.00 gmt, i think you had already left)
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Well, it is 16 gmt now, and i'm in ag the second time, first time i was at 15.30? Are you able to play today?
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Yes, i am there! Unfortunately i didn't think you can play that soon so i didn't enter ag earlier although i could.
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Alright, guys, how about you name ONE time and day instead of several hours?
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OmG! How funny to read this, but also kinda sad, that two mature guys can't date for their games :D
Seriously, Antares, it would help a lot if you would install a snooper at your home comp. Dunno, but you are really an exception under pro players. Even Johnmir gave up his "no-snooper-attitude" and I think he just can report of advantages, can't you, John?
It's annoying to PM you at #Ag and dont get a respond, because you have minimized your game.
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I left IRC in AG for 2 hours just now. Both of you signed in a couple of times and were only there for a couple of minutes.
In other words, you're both signing on in AG, but neither of you is trying to get the games played.
So how about you actually do what I suggested and arrange your game, so that you don't have to be online for a couple of hours in wait of your opponent (which both of you clearly won't do)?
"I'll be online monday-friday from 14:00-20:00 PM GMT" is NOT arranging a game, it's letting your opponent arrange it.
So how about this?
The time is now 21:29 GMT (or 9:29 PM GMT)
Your game will be played thursday at 19:00 GMT (or 7PM GMT).
If you can't make it at that particular time, then arrange another time.
Please don't make me ask again. I simply can't understand why it's so difficult for you guys to do this really really REALLY simple thing.
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If i knew i could get "hard to arrange" reputation after all this, i would give Antares tech win in the first day:P.
We met in msn yesterday, finally, we couldn't play but we decided to find time today. I can play today:
from 15.00 GMT to 19.00 GMT, the 1st of April. ============= I CAN START THE GAME AT ANY MINUTE OF THIS RANGE OF TIME. Situation is that i usually plan my evening, and i can say what i will do. i ask you (Antares) the same, just to tell when you could play the game. Choose time to start the game from this range, please. Is 15.30 GMT a comfortable time for you?
P.S. Joschi, i don't have snooper lately... It is lagging too much on my new Windows, i mean my processor is 100 % busy when i run the Wheat Snooper! I had to refuse using snooper unfortunatly.
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Is 15.30 GMT a comfortable time for you?
hooray! :) Now that wasn't so hard, was it? :-*
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The hard part is truly over XDDD
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Ok, let's do it in about 4 hours then. Now it's 13 GMT so at about 18:00 GMT. Or even later...
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Okay! Let's meet at 18.00 gmt! In msn or ag (i will be in msn for sure, but i will also check ag in case you are there)
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I will log into msn aswell, cya there!
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Weeee! We finally finished it!
The game was one of our usual games: not bad start, stupid moves at the end, a lot of mess, unexpected fails, but somehow someone won lol (cause we can't lose both! We would, if we could!).
MAtch was exciting, that's for sure!
Thank you, Antares!
Again, thank you Mods! Congradulations to the winners!
PS. Sorry again, for been late!
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lol raport then :-\ :)
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It was an april's fools joke, they never finished. :D
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Haha! Not really!
OMFG. I reported! My god, i'm on work now... haven't got replayes here. We finished 4:2, i won.
Strange, i added 6 rounds and reported. May be i pressed something wrong? Well, i will do it this evening then.
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No problem :) We'll see your report tonight then.
Notice how nothing happened for 11 days while you were trying to catch eachother on msn/snooper
Notice how the game got played within a day when you guys arranged your game :) Without the hassle of waiting in AG for your opponent to arrive, no less!
Tell your friends!
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I will tell my friends that it was because you sir! :)
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Thanks you MI and Dark for hosting this tourney, was real fuNNN!
Since i leave today for Easter i wish you happy holidays to all of you. Cya next time!
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GJ guys, congratulation to Koras, SPW and Johnmir :)
Another Normal cup will be hosted soon ^^