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Title: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 07, 2012, 09:37 AM
Quote Jakka:
The plan was to come home from summer vacation and host an elite cup, but word on the street is, that the evil mastermind WormkoS already filled the spot.

That's why you start your cup parallel to CWT?   :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Hussar on September 07, 2012, 09:52 AM
cool cup , am in for sure !
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 07, 2012, 11:18 AM
Quote Jakka:
The plan was to come home from summer vacation and host an elite cup, but word on the street is, that the evil mastermind WormkoS already filled the spot.

That's why you start your cup parallel to CWT?   :D

I had no information about CWT starting date whatsoever or whether there will be another CWT at all, when I opened it. If you start sign ups in October I don't see how it's parallel, especially when this here has a different set of rules. But if there are plenty of people, that would like to take part in both and feel like they can't manage them both, I will consider putting it on ice.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Dmitry on September 12, 2012, 01:21 PM
maybe open it?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 12, 2012, 02:23 PM
The staff was kind enough to open sign ups. So hurry and join!
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Dream Trance on September 13, 2012, 07:53 PM
goosebumps on my penis already!
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 14, 2012, 06:38 AM
Jakka, you da man.
Doing good job for community.
I am in.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 14, 2012, 07:16 AM
Okay, warm up before CWT, or during CWT, whatever. :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 14, 2012, 07:30 AM
Host has wise position concerning CWT.

If his tourney ends before CWT then great.
If not he will freeze it so it won't hard CWT.
Seems like a nice and friendly setup.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 14, 2012, 07:50 AM
I am in.
If you are in,then please hit the button in main post. :P
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: zoky on September 14, 2012, 08:11 AM
can some1 explain me..what this cup have with CWT?I rly dont see what is problem
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 14, 2012, 09:24 AM
I just made a joke, referring to Jakka's expression "filled spot". Freez a running tourney can't be an option. lol
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 14, 2012, 11:56 AM
If no further sign ups occur today, we will start with 24 players.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: zoky on September 14, 2012, 12:07 PM
as I can see its far far away 32 players..maybe close now :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Zemke on September 14, 2012, 03:41 PM
Quote from: Jakka
Oh, and the prize money was raised from $10 to 15€.
Is it just a typo or is the cash prize actually like $20?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 14, 2012, 04:00 PM
Well, enough for some beer, snacks and feel of your worm greatness.
Or just redirecting the sum for CWT donation.
Both ways are good. ))
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 14, 2012, 04:38 PM
Can also buy worms in steam, would be just enough. ::)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 15, 2012, 07:08 AM
Is it just a typo or is the cash prize actually like $20?
It is not a typo. According to todays currency converter it is $19,59.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 15, 2012, 07:13 PM
Alright ladies and gentelmen. We oficially start the cup right NOW!

No worries if you want to take part and your name is not listed in the groups though, you still can sign up for the waiting list and normally first 3-4 people get the chance to play the cup.

Remember that there are no restrictions on the battle field this time! Except for maybe being nice to each other.

I set the first deadline. You may refer to it as the activity deadline. By the end of it you are obliged to have played at least one game or provide my a convincing reason why you couldn't or else you are going to be replace by people on the waiting list. Following the activity comes the final deadline you will have to finish all group games by its end.

Remember: activity pays off.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Pleiadian on September 15, 2012, 07:46 PM
MonkeyIsland, Peja and Berria I'm available. I'll check this thread frequently.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 16, 2012, 03:16 AM
del
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on September 16, 2012, 04:12 AM
Pleiadian I'm home for today and tomorrow. Any time in these days?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Uzurpator on September 16, 2012, 07:40 AM
lol Russians groups
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Pleiadian on September 16, 2012, 08:38 AM
Pleiadian I'm home for today and tomorrow. Any time in these days?

I can play any time today.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on September 16, 2012, 09:18 AM
I'm in AG. Catch me when you could.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 16, 2012, 04:41 PM
I put my money on FaD, gogoog :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 17, 2012, 12:11 AM
Aw missed the start. If you want later, replace me with an inactive player, please, (just if a spot will be free). Thank you.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Koras on September 17, 2012, 05:49 AM
hey I know I wasnt nice in previous cup but after all i always try to play my games as fast as possible!
so please sing me in on waiting list  :)
i will accept activity rule now  :-[
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 17, 2012, 10:43 AM
For some reason I can't edit the main topic anymore. It wants me to enter a date for the tournament.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 17, 2012, 04:18 PM
Go on and cancel the tourney :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on September 17, 2012, 04:31 PM
It was a bug Jakka. Fixed.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 17, 2012, 04:58 PM
del
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 17, 2012, 05:28 PM
2/3 of my opponents are not visiting tus. nappy (1/3) didnt answer to my message here... jakka please dont forward your pp mates if we wont play the games man, as you can see I will to play
On what grounds are you accusing me of giving special treatment to anyone? Check my history as a host before you write. Only those, who follow my totalitarian rules and show activity advance to further stages.

You should not worry about nappy (who is actually not in pp) or Alex13 as they surely will make their appearance here. Since you are already writing here, you could've left a note about your gaming hours.

About the third smurfy guy, I do not know nothing.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: nappy on September 17, 2012, 06:44 PM
Ahem, Korydex, how could I respond to the pm you sent to me one hour later after you posted about it :D

For my group: during the week (Monday to Friday) I can play in evenings only (that is, after 6-7 pm GMT), but I'm fully available on the weekend.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 18, 2012, 03:59 AM
>>nappy
my post is on 2nd page but nvm. saturday 3 pm gmt.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Almog on September 18, 2012, 08:59 AM
Sock/Tade/Kayz, i'm available now for some hours if you're raeding this, and also wednesday night or weekend

let me know here or PM what u prefer


Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 18, 2012, 10:29 AM
Cinek, Zolo, Jakka. I am available from 19 GMT.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 18, 2012, 10:53 AM
Cinek, Zolo, Jakka. I am available from 19 GMT.

Is that every day? I'm not sure if whether I can today.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 18, 2012, 11:02 AM
Yep. 19 GMT is 23 local time.
Can play other time but it has to be discussed and pre-arranged.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 18, 2012, 05:18 PM
Eh, Viks, Dream, you ever being on the wormnet? I would usually be there every evening, though you may catch me other time too. ;)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Alex13 on September 19, 2012, 05:22 AM
Hello everyone!
As I don't have internet at the moment, writing from my workplace. :-x Should have tomorrow tho, hope will play my games in time!
To my group:
When you guys are able to play? 11pm Moscow time sounds great for me almost everyday (except saturday/sunday may be). And uhm, Anastasiya :) Probably the first russian girl I play in a cup with, looking forward to know each other closer. :-D
To sponsor:
Do you provide exiting online streams for such a huge event?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: harpy on September 19, 2012, 05:46 AM
HI MOD I can`t play Worms few weaks change me wiht another wormar. university exams :-\
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Statik on September 19, 2012, 05:48 AM
uni exams always come all of a sudden
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 19, 2012, 06:39 AM
HI MOD I can`t play Worms few weaks change me wiht another wormar. university exams :-\
Don't know how it's in Bulgaria, but I always thought exams at european Universities are in June-July and new semester starts in October. :O
Anyways here goes our favourite Koras.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Dream Trance on September 19, 2012, 10:41 AM
I'm busy this week, because of the 2nd shift. Also some illness got me. Probably I will be able to catch up with games on the weekend.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 19, 2012, 02:34 PM
To my group:
When you guys are able to play? 11pm Moscow time sounds great for me almost everyday (except saturday/sunday may be).
any other time? weekend?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 19, 2012, 03:24 PM
Heya Almog, sock, Tade. I can play starting tomorrow 17 GMT - 01 GMT. You can also reach me with MSN. Will be on AG then.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Almog on September 20, 2012, 08:24 AM
Heya Almog, sock, Tade. I can play starting tomorrow 17 GMT - 01 GMT. You can also reach me with MSN. Will be on AG then.

lets play saturday morning/evening (16-17gmt)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Hussar on September 20, 2012, 11:36 AM
what about mine group ??

me , peja and Pleiadian got 1 win and 2 loses but :

- i got 4 win games
- peja got 3
- Pleiadian got 2

we need to play more games or it means then am goin with MI to KO?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Pleiadian on September 20, 2012, 11:43 AM
what about mine group ??

me , peja and Pleiadian got 1 win and 2 loses but :

- i got 4 win games
- peja got 3
- Pleiadian got 2

we need to play more games or it means then am goin with MI to KO?

Quote

- in case there will be people with same amount of points in a (finished) group the won/lost rounds will be considered. Won rounds minus lost rounds equals the difference. The player with the higher difference proceeds


Therefore you're through.

Good luck!

 :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Hussar on September 20, 2012, 11:52 AM
that means:
                     W-L
Berria        0  (4-4)
Peja         -1  (3-4)
Plainadian -3  (2-5)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 20, 2012, 12:39 PM
Heya Almog, sock, Tade. I can play starting tomorrow 17 GMT - 01 GMT. You can also reach me with MSN. Will be on AG then.

lets play saturday morning/evening (16-17gmt)

Sure thing.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 20, 2012, 12:53 PM
what about mine group ??

Pleiadian can and does read! Too bad not everyone runs through the rules. :) And also Pleiadian is right. Berria advances into KOs beating Peja by just one round.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Free on September 20, 2012, 01:12 PM
If theres  a free spot after deadline, Id like to join.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 20, 2012, 03:15 PM
If theres  a free spot after deadline, Id like to join.
Alright.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: zoky on September 20, 2012, 08:14 PM
thouson dont repond on PM.man if u read this plz tell me some time for game
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 20, 2012, 08:16 PM
thouson dont repond on PM.man if u read this plz tell me some time for game
He seems to post on elite cup thread only and asks there to call him on his facebook page. If he remains neclecting this cup till the first deadline he's going to be the first to go.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 21, 2012, 05:44 AM
Groups 4 & 8, Thouson and WormGamer. It's time to get active. Less than three days left to play at least one game or make a written arrangement with other players right here.

On that note: does anybody knows anybody, who would like to replace some of the inactive players on Monday?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: KinslayeR on September 21, 2012, 08:54 AM
my group i am ready to play tonight and all week, pls call me
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Koras on September 21, 2012, 01:44 PM
Groups 4 & 8, Thouson and WormGamer. It's time to get active. Less than three days left to play at least one game or make a written arrangement with other players right here.

On that note: does anybody knows anybody, who would like to replace some of the inactive players on Monday?
Yes I would like to do it ;)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 21, 2012, 01:49 PM
Yes I would like to do it ;)

Don't you ever check your pms? You are in the cup for four days already, so stop wasting time and play games.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Koras on September 22, 2012, 12:06 AM
Yes I would like to do it ;)

Don't you ever check your pms? You are in the cup for four days already, so stop wasting time and play games.
f@#! I didnt knew. We(in fact me) have a problem cause tomorow morning I going out for the weekend.Kin FaD i will be online since wednesday.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: zoky on September 22, 2012, 01:08 AM
http://clip2net.com/s/2k7J0

look.thouson was here,and he didnt respond on Pm ..i wana arange games and finish this stage,but its imposibile when i have guy like this in group .(
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 22, 2012, 11:43 AM
Thouson, Tade, FaD and Anastasiya are the only ones neither to play a game nor make a statement in this topic. Change it before the activity deadline or you are going to be replaced.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Almog on September 22, 2012, 12:39 PM
kays i'm gonna be on at 16:30gmt hope to see u there (i'll snoop so msg me if i'm in game)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 22, 2012, 03:13 PM
I will be there
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 22, 2012, 05:23 PM
Zolo, Cinek.
Lets play.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 22, 2012, 06:56 PM
Thanks for not showing up at arrangement time, Almog. Ok you apologized with a good reason, but then I get a message that you were in game 2,5 hours later. What is this? Is this how you always treat arrangements?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: zoky on September 22, 2012, 06:57 PM
Thouson, Tade, FaD and Anastasiya are the only ones neither to play a game nor make a statement in this topic. Change it before the activity deadline or you are going to be replaced.
tade has play game but u have delete :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 22, 2012, 08:42 PM
tade has play game but u have delete :D
Right, I remember now. He will not be replaced then, but still some people need to increase the activity or I will to make walk overs as I please.

Thouson, FaD and Anastasiya show a sign of life. Time ain't going backwards.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Statik on September 22, 2012, 09:33 PM
Just a suggestion... Maybe pm them via new personal shoutbox? People are visiting tus, but sometimes forget to read topics or play their games. Use "/msg Thouson" in shoutbox :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Almog on September 22, 2012, 11:36 PM
Thanks for not showing up at arrangement time, Almog. Ok you apologized with a good reason, but then I get a message that you were in game 2,5 hours later. What is this? Is this how you always treat arrangements?

for the record - I had EAC game on 18gmt, which is more important to me, and also was planned since monday
but yeah, I didn't show up no matter the reason so I should get punished
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 22, 2012, 11:56 PM
How should I know that? You told me to msg me asap.

You could at least tell me you had an EAC game, but you did not.

I can understand EAC is important, still you got no right to treat me like crap and put me aside to wait, until you can condescend to play me...
A simple message would be enough. I was all evening in AG.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Almog on September 23, 2012, 10:08 AM
you're right, I'm sorry
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: FaD on September 23, 2012, 11:54 AM
''Rude or disrespectful behavior can result in disqualification '' look my games vs kinslayer
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 23, 2012, 12:11 PM
lol...
As always Zolo and me fight for a second place. ))
gl, mate.
I am ready to play.
So lets decide who will go to playoffs and finish our group games.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 23, 2012, 01:02 PM
Kinslayer, you've always been known for your inappropriate behaviour and your lack of sense of reality. One would hope after so many years you'd mature at some point, but evidently you don't. If FaD can prove, what you (supposedly) said after the game, then you are out for life. If he can't, you receive a yellow card that dark that even if only the word "luck" falls in one of your further games (let alone insults), you can consider yourself a goner.

With an attitude like that I believe you've chosen the wrong game to play. You should try out dota or league of legends, where you find plenty of like-minded boys and girls at the age of 12 to 15.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 23, 2012, 03:44 PM
Whoops, pls delete one of my double report. Ok, chuvash and me are through. :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 23, 2012, 04:30 PM
Alex, Anastasiya any suggestions of the dates?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 23, 2012, 06:24 PM
Apology accepted, Almog. Let's just forget about this crap and arrange another day. I can play this evening, and tomorrow and so on. Same times as given before.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 23, 2012, 07:38 PM
That doesn't look like double elimination bracket ???
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 23, 2012, 07:49 PM
That doesn't look like double elimination bracket ???

Double elimination bracket is still under construction and will be updated as soon as possible. Still, MonkeyIsland, Khamski, Berria and me can feel free to play the first KO round.


Kinslayer was disqualified and will be removed along with Thouson and Anastasiya by the end of the time limit, if they don't show a sign of life.
http://i46.tinypic.com/288sc4l.png This screenshot, that FaD gave me looks pretty real to me. That's more than enough reason to ban the accused player.

EDIT: Due to lack of volunteers I reactivated Ivo, who was initially banned from this cup, because he didn't show any activity in the last one. After a chat he convinced me, that his behaviour was an exception and his credentials speak for him. Let's hope he will not abuse his reactivation.

I still lack one player to replace Kins. If no volunteer shows up, his games will be not taken into account at the end and I will treat it like a three person group.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 24, 2012, 06:44 AM
Ivo is a good guy. Right decision there.

Island, lets arrange time! :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on September 24, 2012, 08:15 AM
Sure mate, When do you wanna play? I'm home for the next few days.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Ivo on September 24, 2012, 08:46 AM
Thank you Jakka!
Thank you too, for your words Khamski  :)

Nappy, Koridex, Alex, I can play today and tomorrow at any time and after tomorrow, between 16h until 22h gmt.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Koras on September 24, 2012, 12:49 PM
ready to own :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Uzurpator on September 24, 2012, 08:17 PM
Quote
The blacklisted players for this tournament are: Ivo, K4Tsis, Krezo, Mark, Stefan22
heh,kick Ivo  :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 25, 2012, 12:38 AM
Answer pls Almog. And i'd like to know your play time too Tade :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 25, 2012, 07:59 AM
@MI: How about today at 19 GMT ?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Ivo on September 25, 2012, 09:19 AM
all right. i have a game arranged with korydex today at 16h gmt.

i'm still waiting for the pm reply from nappy and Alex13.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: FaD on September 25, 2012, 02:14 PM
@Koras  @Bry4n when you have time to play? wekend is for me free, and some evenings in week
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on September 25, 2012, 02:14 PM
Khamski, I'll be there.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 26, 2012, 04:17 AM
Come on, people. Get on with group games. ;)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Alex13 on September 26, 2012, 07:19 AM
I am sorry, that I post pretty rarely here, busy with work and some other stuff... But still looking forward to play my games in time! :)
To Korydex: I am able to play today from after 12 PM GMT (4pm Moscow time), if we couldn't catch each other - no problem, still have a lot of time including weekend, when I could play earlier than on workdays.
To Ivo: same here, sorry for not responding on pm's also.. For thursday, we could try 19pm GMT, is ok for you?
To nappy: always in touch on skype, think there will be no problem with arranging. :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 26, 2012, 07:24 AM
@MI: I came late but seems like you wasn't there [!seen].
So again. 19 GMT today ?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on September 26, 2012, 09:01 AM
I was there. My nick is dPxMonkeyIsland.

Ok 19 GMT.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 26, 2012, 10:21 AM
>>Alex13
yea let's play it at 12 gmt
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 26, 2012, 11:44 AM
@MI: My bad then. Okay now it's arranged from both sides. I'll be there too.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 26, 2012, 02:29 PM
I still lack one player to replace Kins. If no volunteer shows up, his games will be not taken into account at the end and I will treat it like a three person group.

Here is your volunteer. I can replace Kinslayer. I will give this group a boost of activity :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 26, 2012, 02:43 PM
haha joschi gave up
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 26, 2012, 03:09 PM
I have sent 3 PMs to my opponents FaD, Koras and Bryant:

I have time to play my group stage thursday from 21 gmt,
whole friday. saturday and sunday after agreement.

write me your play times.


haha joschi gave up

?? Where I gave up?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 26, 2012, 03:13 PM
del
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 26, 2012, 03:25 PM
Pretty unique opinion. If you are getting at the fact, that I didnt sign in at beginn of the cup and you concluse from that, that I have to dislike the cup, I can calm you. I just knew that I wont be able to play from 17.09 - 27.09 because of my stay abroad.

I just prefer to be the last lucky guy who can replace somebody, then to be the bad guy who has to be replaced due to inactivity.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Korydex on September 26, 2012, 03:28 PM
del
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on September 26, 2012, 03:55 PM
K Almog would be nice if you finally answer ;o

k dont get it so serious

He always does :P
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on September 26, 2012, 07:10 PM
@MI:  * waiting in #ag*
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 27, 2012, 08:53 PM
I played my first game with FaD. I catched Koras in #ag, but he wanted to warm up, so we layed it on uncertain late hour on weekend. I didn't speak Bry4N yet.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 28, 2012, 07:58 PM
I'd like to remind everyone that there's only little time left and once again activity is prefered over wins. For instance if Dmitry & WormkoS won't battle it out for the second place of their group, kalababa will advance instead because he has played all three games. And it doesn't matter that he lost all of them. There will be no chance to get any extra time.

To all the unfinished groups: I will first advance the most active players regardless of their winning ratio. Only if activity is the same I will check won/lost games and rounds. If you feel like somebody is deliberately avoiding you or has been inactive for a long period you are free to share this information here. I will then judge wether to grant a walk over win.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on September 29, 2012, 09:03 AM
And if there are any pending games, make sure to report the incomplete score at the deadline.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: zoky on September 29, 2012, 11:02 AM
i hope there will be no problem 4 me.had problem with net last 3 days,but guys in my group have just games vs me hmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 29, 2012, 12:19 PM
Finally! An opponent! :)

I think we can play tomorrow evening, zoky. Are you ok with it?

P.S. I'll try my best again this time lol. :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: zoky on September 29, 2012, 12:22 PM
hehehe...tomorow i am not at home till 19gmt,my son have football game..so we can play around 20gmt if u like?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on September 29, 2012, 12:41 PM
Yeah, that'll do I hope. I'll be there anyway.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: FaD on September 29, 2012, 06:21 PM
@ koras @ Bry4n have full sunday time, be there in ag
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 29, 2012, 10:47 PM
Tomorrow I won't have occasion to play before 21 GMT. But anyway, I was there and asked for playtimes last 3 days - without any response from my group mates :o
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on September 30, 2012, 09:56 PM
great engagement in group 4 :D special thanks to bry4n, who has too much pride to response on my mails.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 01, 2012, 01:06 AM
Alright boys and girls time's up! One week for the first KO stage as usual (in this case first round of winner brackets). And don't forget you ain't out when you lose once, because it's double elimination.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Uzurpator on October 01, 2012, 01:10 AM
Ivo,when can you play?beter time for me is 14-18 gtm.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: chuvash on October 01, 2012, 02:34 PM
yay! Kayz+Fad = -1 deadly opponent  :D
Thats why I love new CWT rule about avoiding each other of top players
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 01, 2012, 04:40 PM
yay! Kayz+Fad = -1 deadly opponent  :D
Thats why I love new CWT rule about avoiding each other of top players
There's nothing the new CWT rule could've changed in this case. Besides since it's double elimination you still might have to play both of them.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on October 01, 2012, 06:36 PM
Sorry, Kayz, I will have to knock you out, no offence. :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Ivo on October 01, 2012, 07:52 PM
Ivo,when can you play?beter time for me is 14-18 gtm.

hi mate! what about Wednesday at 16h30 gmt?? cheers
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on October 01, 2012, 10:15 PM
Quote from: Jakka
To all the unfinished groups: I will first advance the most active players regardless of their winning ratio. Only if activity is the same I will check won/lost games and rounds. If you feel like somebody is deliberately avoiding you or has been inactive for a long period you are free to share this information here. I will then judge wether to grant a walk over win.

I think your rule about activity is good, but how you use it on people who are active, but still have not all 3 games is very questionable.

I tried several times to play vs Almog, but he didn't show up at the arranged date and didn't reply to further messages. So I get punished and get rank 2 in the group, though I did everything possible to arrange a game vs this guy and won the other two games? :)

At least I am still in the playoff, still weird.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: zoky on October 02, 2012, 06:08 AM
that is TUS problem.maybe MI need consider solution for avoiders..if they sign up for some cup,and they dont finihs games MI bann then for next cups and tourney 15 dayes or 1 month ?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 02, 2012, 06:35 AM
Kayz, I pointed out on several occasions, that if such situation occurs in which one party is avoiding or is unable to manage to find time, you need to come here at the end and claim the right of getting a walk over win. And in this case I think I'd grant it. That's why I'd say it was a self-inflicted punishment by you.

You got to understand, that I have to keep an eye on 31 other doods, that's why you should've mentioned it again at the end even if you feel like repeating yourself.
You even quote the passage, where I ask people in situationlike yours to act.
Quote
If you feel like somebody is deliberately avoiding you or has been inactive for a long period you are free to share this information here. I will then judge wether to grant a walk over win.
And yet you didn't.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 02, 2012, 06:56 AM
that is TUS problem.maybe MI need consider solution for avoiders..if they sign up for some cup,and they dont finihs games MI bann then for next cups and tourney 15 dayes or 1 month ?
MonkeyIsland already did implement a feature, where the moderator can decide, whether to allow people with lower than a certain played games percentage to sign up, but I decided not to use it.

Furthermore MI is already busy enough satisfying my whims, like creating a double elimination bracket and keep an eye on the rest of TUS. Maybe he should put in charge more cup moderators, since DarkOne looks more like DeadOne lately.

Besides I believe every moderator can decide by himslef which player to "ban" (to let him not join a cup). That's why I keep a blacklist, but there are always new inactive people.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Uzurpator on October 02, 2012, 07:12 AM
Quote
hi mate! what about Wednesday at 16h30 gmt?? cheers
ok, sounds nice
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on October 02, 2012, 04:34 PM
Oh you are right Jakka, I forgot that.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 05, 2012, 09:54 AM
Three days to go and two games to play. DU DAT!

Free vs Tade and MonkeyIsland vs Uzurpator, please, start arranging the games as well.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on October 06, 2012, 12:52 PM
Hey, I will try to play with FaD today.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 07, 2012, 08:04 PM
Alright all games of winner bracket round one were played. Good job! New deadline set for winner bracket round 2 as well as loser bracket round 1. Have fun!
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on October 08, 2012, 08:07 AM
Oh, Kayz, you lost, was a bad weekend for you. ???
Anyway, Fad, I can play around 16gmt starting from Thursday. Though one or two days before might be ok too.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on October 09, 2012, 01:27 PM
@WormKos.

Tomorrow, Thursday or Friday during the day or evenings, what do you want?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on October 09, 2012, 09:13 PM
Oh, Kayz, you lost, was a bad weekend for you. ???
Anyway, Fad, I can play around 16gmt starting from Thursday. Though one or two days before might be ok too.

Well if you don't lose, you don't learn from your mistakes :) It was a very helpful weekend, which reflected my point of view on my playing and how I could change it to make it more efficient again.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on October 10, 2012, 03:29 AM
Me and Uzurpator tried to play twice in 2 different days but because of so many lags, we couldn't play. We're still trying.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 11, 2012, 08:42 AM
Sent pms to everyone in round 2 wb and round 1 lb to urge to play their games. Time is up soon, guys!

The situation with MI and Uzur really sucks. Not even neutralhosting seems to be working. Is there anyone knowing "shit" about computers/networks/or whatever, who can think of a solution?

EDIT: Uhn, nvm that. Looks like they've finally managed to play.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on October 11, 2012, 12:49 PM
Can't contact FaD, he wouldn't write in this topic and won't reply on my pm on NNN website. Didn't play any of his CWT games either. ???

Upd. Have finally arranged our game on tomorrow.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on October 11, 2012, 03:49 PM
Hey, Ivo!
Lets play.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 15, 2012, 05:27 AM
Neither Tade nor Free wrote anything concerning their game, so nappy gets a free ride to loser brackets round 3. Possibly they were not fully aware of the new double elimination system, but I also pm'ed them to get it done. O well. New deadline is up for, now for winner brackets round 3 and loser brackets round 2. Gogo!
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Dmitry on October 15, 2012, 05:34 AM
VGJ Chuvash, u won medal xD dont know, it`s gold or silver or bronze :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 15, 2012, 05:37 AM
Dang
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: chuvash on October 15, 2012, 07:10 AM
@Dmitry:  не говори "гоп", пока не перепрыгнешь! ;)
Don't know how it's sounds in english, sorry...
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Uzurpator on October 15, 2012, 07:21 AM
nice ladder of Russian players in looser bracket xD
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on October 15, 2012, 04:53 PM
Ok, MonkeyIsland, I can play any day starting from Thursday approximately at 15-17GMT. Pick the one you like.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 16, 2012, 06:44 AM
FaD, do you have any day prefer? This week I can play any day from 18GMT to 21GMT. Pick one or suggest another time.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on October 17, 2012, 08:19 PM
Great, Ivo and me agreed to play today at 15.30 GMT, waited half hour, and he didn't show up...
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on October 18, 2012, 04:45 AM
kukumber, 15 GMT sounds good to me, let's try that?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on October 18, 2012, 03:12 PM
And... Which day? I'm currently on the wormnet.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Tade on October 18, 2012, 06:10 PM
well it is ok to me to kick me out. but i write to free at least 10 times and no answer. So what i am supposed to do?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 18, 2012, 06:18 PM
Comrad, why don't you post here before time expired? I pointed out several times, if you can't find your opponent or he is avoiding you, you have to post it here, so I know it and probably grant a default win. As much I wished I'd be, but sadly I am not omniscient.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on October 18, 2012, 07:14 PM
General question: What do you think of double elimination bracket? Like or dislike?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Tade on October 19, 2012, 02:47 PM
Told you already Jakka, it is ok to kick me out but is not my fault that game is not played. Yes it is also thrue i did not visited this page several days but that is because i usually dont need to and i though i will find free and he will play, but nothing happened...
Also you also saw me on that cwt stream a week ago, and you could mention something about it and i would explain to you why i did not play that darn game...
But nvm gl in next of tournament ;)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 19, 2012, 04:33 PM
It may be true, that it is not your fault, that you and free didn't play the game, but it is your fault, that you missed to let me know what the situation was. And you probably can imagine, that while I'm part of a stream team of somebody else's game, I probably don't bear in mind "Oh, snap that Tade has got to play a game".

Seems like some people still didn't understand how my attitude towards cups is. I am not here to nurse everyone or keep going around asking, when they plan on playing or whether they play at all. No. If you sign up for this and accept the rules by doing so and take the opportunity to compete against number of good players in a solid tournament system I provide you with, then it is you, who is obliged to run after me and tell: "damn, my opponent didn't come | shit, he doesn't want to play | bah, bah he missed an appointment again" etc. I don't make unfair decisions, if you talk to me at least once in a while.
This is exactly the kind of attitude, that makes my cups run smooth and successful (If you look at other cups, it's a rare sight to find anything that's now delayed). And it is the first time I had to give a walkover over during KOs.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on October 19, 2012, 05:02 PM
kukumber, I'm in AG now. If you can't make it tonight, how about Saturday (tomorrow) 15 GMT?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: kukumber on October 19, 2012, 09:23 PM
I will be busy that Saturday. Don't think I would be able to play on Sunday either. Sign me off please. GL everyone.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 20, 2012, 07:26 AM
Ivo, so what's up now? Are you trying to arrange the game with Kayz?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on October 20, 2012, 10:46 PM
GGs Joschi, now Jakka when you can play :P
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 21, 2012, 07:33 AM
About any day starting around 17GMT.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 22, 2012, 08:44 AM
New deadline is up. Concerned are the winner bracket final (chuvash vs FaD) and loser bracket round 3 (MonkeyIsland vs nappy).

My loser bracket round 4 game with Kayz is planned on being played on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on October 22, 2012, 09:01 AM
When do you wanna play nappy? Give me some time. I can arrange things and be home.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: nappy on October 22, 2012, 09:14 AM
Hey MI, I've got evenings until Friday (usually it's after 6-7 pm GMT), and then, basically, the whole day on Saturday and Sunday.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 23, 2012, 06:02 PM
I might be mistaken, but I thought Kayz and me wanted to meet today somewhere around 17GMT. Once again if I remember correctly. I stayed till 18GMT. O well. How about Thursday 18GMT then?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on October 23, 2012, 07:02 PM
I thought it was 19 GMT :O. Are you still available? I might've mixed up something :( Sorry mate. Thursday is fine if you can't play now :(
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 23, 2012, 08:09 PM
Maybe I mixed up 19GMT and 19 CET too. Anyhow, Thursday 18GMT it is. Now I can look it up if I forget again and neither of us mixes up. ^_^
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on October 23, 2012, 09:57 PM
Thursday 18 GMT, agreed.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on October 24, 2012, 08:38 AM
Khamski we meet again!! When do you wanna get punished?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: chuvash on October 24, 2012, 05:49 PM
Fad say he can play our game in Saturday at 17:00 GMT
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on October 26, 2012, 06:10 AM
 ;D
It will be nice to play you again.   
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on October 28, 2012, 06:13 PM
Good job at playing all games, which were due today. I should be setting a new deadline now for losers bracket round 4 games, but both of them were played already as well. So for now there will be no new deadline as I trust the last 3 or possibly 4 games will be played as quick as possible. Please start arranging your games. :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on November 02, 2012, 06:47 AM
Kayz vs Chuvash now, loser gets bronze and winner advances into the grand finale!
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Khamski on November 02, 2012, 07:25 AM
Smart system i have to say.
A bit boring. Lot more games. But smart.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on November 02, 2012, 07:28 AM
It will be a sad day, when more games mean boring.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: chuvash on November 02, 2012, 01:56 PM
wow :) I still have a chance! I love this system! :D
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on November 06, 2012, 07:07 AM
I little reminder concerning the grand final guys. Since FaD hasn't lost a match yet he has to win one best of 5 to win the final, on the other hand Kayz, who had already lost once, has to win two best of 5s to win the final. That means after you play the first bo5 and FaD wins it's over, if Kayz wins there's gonna be another deciding bo5 from the scratch to determine the gold medalist.
In case Kayz wins both best of 5s, he has to report both scores separately.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on November 07, 2012, 06:21 PM
Why the hell bo3s and not bo5s??? It's a final ffs
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Dmitry on November 08, 2012, 05:36 AM
i think that Jakka want say ur that it really 2 games bo5 and for gold medal Kayz must won 2 times bo5, FAD must won one bo5 of 2 series bo5.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on November 08, 2012, 07:38 AM
Why the hell bo3s and not bo5s??? It's a final ffs
It was chain brainlag typo, of course bo5s. Fixed post too.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: FaD on November 11, 2012, 02:07 AM
Cup finished.
It was the best cup i played on tus, thx for that.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Mablak on November 11, 2012, 02:44 AM
Nice games guys, good comeback by Kayz in round 3, thought he was done for after having to girder in the first turn.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Kayz on November 11, 2012, 02:47 AM
Ye congratulations, FaD. But I am still mad for your sd luck and the positions in round 5 :P Just kidding
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: MonkeyIsland on November 11, 2012, 05:42 AM
Very nice guys! Thanks Jakka for hosting :)
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on November 11, 2012, 03:23 PM
Thanks to every participant for taking part.
Congratz FaD! What shall happen to your prize money? Should I donate it to this years CWT or you give me your own PayPal data?

I thought about hosting either an elemental or kaos cup in near future. What do you guys think of that?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: FaD on November 11, 2012, 05:22 PM
Thank you, yes im spending this money to the CWT torney, it was plained all the time.
so you can just donate it to cwt please.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on November 14, 2012, 06:42 PM
Alright, today I finally took some time and made the donation to CWT.

I want give my special thanks to MonkeyIsland for creating the DE bracket, which worked very good till the end.

Good game and well played.
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Joschi on November 15, 2012, 10:42 AM
Alright, today I finally took some time and made the donation to CWT.
Incoming confirmed.

My previous question is still unreplied:
Did you like or dislike the double-elimination knockout system?
Title: Re: Cup #476, [Intermediate] No Holds Barred
Post by: Jakka on November 15, 2012, 11:19 AM
I certainly prefer DE over standard KO system. But I don't think anyone else is visiting this thread anymore to answer your question.