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Cups and Tournaments => Cups and Tournaments Comments => Topic started by: Senator on February 17, 2017, 06:48 PM
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Welcome tomorrow 18:00 GMT :)
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seems very funny, but too early for me in a weekend day (9am) lol. hf guys.
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seems very funny, but too early for me in a weekend day (9am) lol. hf guys.
wat
signups start at 3 pm CL
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I gunna win this so easily.
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I doubt that.
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I doubt that.
Pray that you don't get matched with me.
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It's Godmax n Taner junior :D
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It's Godmax n Taner junior :D
Lol, Godmax is the one and only! :D
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This is a fine example of why we need an updated Tournament format/system.
Only 3 players proceeded to Final/3rd place, Xan didn't even have anyone to play for 3rd place, so automatically got the win/points, he didn't even win a single game LOL!
Will send this to MI
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Not to say that the current Tournament system is perfect (which is clearly not), but this is not a fine example of a flaw.
The moderator started the tournament with 9 people. Either he should have start it with 8 or make the last two participants play for the 8th spot. (and then update the 8th slot of the tournament with the winner)
Moreover, why would you proceed XanKriegor to bronze if he didn't play anything. You could give gold and silver medals and then close the Tournament.
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Well, I never said it was a flaw, but now that I think about it, it is a flaw:
flaw - a feature that mars the perfection of something; defect; fault.
If you are able to start a Tournament in such a manner that it can/will end in this unfair/unfinished manner, that's a flaw, and that's a fact.
Not trying to be a d**k about it lol, that's just how it is :)
You are not a bad person for saying "Either he should have start it with 8, or make the last two participants play for 8th spot", it's nice that you offer advice, but it's unfair to try and pass the blame. YOU programmed this website, YOU made this possible, YOU must not blame other players for falling victim to a flaw you created.
We will try our best to avoid this in future(using your advice), but is it at all possible for you to make us an updated Tournament system please? If you don't have time, that's ok, but it doesn't hurt to ask :D
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I lold hard at your post Komo :D :D :D What a shitty bronze here.
01:30:00 Marko: kick last like u did with me and start then
01:30:25 `XanKriegor: lol
01:30:28 `XanKriegor: kick me
01:30:33 `XanKriegor: imma lose anyway
01:30:37 Senator: nah
if he didn't play anything.
I have lost one game.
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give that man his bronze
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Yeh last time I kicked the last player cos we had 17.. could have done the same this time. I thought the tourney status would remain "unfinished" if I didn't proceed a player to the 3rd place. I took the bronze away from XanKriegor now :-[
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You are not a bad person for saying "Either he should have start it with 8, or make the last two participants play for 8th spot", it's nice that you offer advice, but it's unfair to try and pass the blame. YOU programmed this website, YOU made this possible, YOU must not blame other players for falling victim to a flaw you created.
We will try our best to avoid this in future(using your advice), but is it at all possible for you to make us an updated Tournament system please? If you don't have time, that's ok, but it doesn't hurt to ask :D
Blame? Bad person? What happened to your vocabulary? We're talking about tournament system.
I could put a lock on the tournament to only accept numbers such as 8 or 16 but current code allows the mod to start off the tournament with empty slots and add players later. "later" means either 20 minutes after the tournament or the next days.
In this case, when Senator started it with 9 players. He gained 7 empty slots. For tournament's quality sake, he could turn the tournament into the cup strategy: finish the games with arranging. So he tries to get people to join those 7 slots and get those games done later.
But if a moderator don't want to or doesn't have such plans, he should kick the 9th person and have a 8-player tournament.
The "1 extra player" is not always the outcome. Sometimes there are 7 player available. So this feature allows the moderate to startup a 8-player tourney with one empty slot. (while advertising for that empty slot AFTER the tournament has started)
In short, current system allows the moderator to decide which route he likes to take.
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Congratulations Xan!
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MI, I see this behavior in managers and leaders quite often, instead of accepting the fault, and/or mistake, you make excuses and try and pass the blame on to other people, i've also been guilty of it myself, I don't expect you to take this on board and honestly don't care if you do, I still respect you for everything you've done for the community, everyone makes mistakes we're only human :)
I(for one), totally understand there are ways to avoid the Tournament system faults, hence why I am a Tournaments Moderator, and I have added players in after the Tournament has began before just like you suggested, it's only happened a few times though, but in those cases it was more like we had 7 players, and needed 1 more, or we had 14-15 players and needed an extra few, and that's back when people were more active.
As you said, I would never start a Tournament with 9 players, I would always kick the last player to join.
That isn't even the problem here, the problem is how XanKriegor managed to get 3rd place in a 9 player Tournament, without winning a single game, claiming more points in the Tournaments standings than for example Senator, who at least won a game lol.
Please correct me if I am wrong:
Xan gets 2 free rounds - Could you please tell me if this counts as a win or not? (I can't find information about this anywhere)
Xan loses to VoK
Xan automatically gets 3rd place(and because it's more than 8 players Tournament, he receives 20 points), minus the 5 points he lost against VoK, 15 points, if he got 5+5 for the 2 free wins, he got a total of 25 points, for just being lucky, if not he still receives 15 points more than the 0 points Senator earned for winning 5 then losing 5.
This is why the Tournaments system is flawed, not because of anything you said in your entire post, and that's why I said pass the blame because you still haven't even admitted that there is a problem lol.
I don't know how to code Tournament systems, it's something i've never researched(yet), I am coming to you, who I consider an expert in coding asking if you can update the system in some way to prevent this from happening, please :)
P.S. - I must add, yes this flaw can be avoided by not starting with 9 players lol, but that's why it's a flaw, because it CAN happen :D And well look, it did :P
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Congratulations Xan!
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Nothing here to congratulate.