no more hysteria in cups and leagues, I hate telecows
play this shit yourself lol
these "telecow" and "jetcow" unique rules reminds me when others said that you shouldn't take tophide in roper cuz it makes u a noob oO : D
no sense.. its natural part of the scheme. u could consider it as playing smart at one point of the match
At first it seemed to me that they were playing for fun here, but such vile tricks like telecow break the fun and spoil the mood
It seems to me that I am beginning to understand why many players play normal, kaos, shopper, where such techniques are unlikely. maybe I should throw all the cups away and play like everyone else? and leave your f@#!ing telecows to you so that you are left alone with it
telecows balance the scheme, otherwise it would be an unsuitable league scheme, game 1 was a perfect example, i lose 3 worms in first 3 turns or so because of positions. autolose win condition because of placements without telecow. telecow actually gives me a chance. scheme would need to drastically change to make it good without telecow, and there is no clear solution.
so play yourself with your balance, blah blah blah and stuff like that :D
Quote from: Lancelot on October 10, 2023, 10:41 PM
so play yourself with your balance, blah blah blah and stuff like that :D
i didn't create the scheme, lance; and didn't force you to join the cup. sorry you didn't have the experience you were hoping for. im glad we got to play though :)
For me selecsteria is a fine solution. I don't see much problem with it.
It never ceases to amaze me, and make me laugh, hearing ANYONE use the quite literally stupid term, "telecow"...
This is about the 100th time I've said this but it never gets boring! :D
The word "cow" is used when a player breaks a rule in Worms Armageddon, since Hysteria has NO RULES it is quite literally impossible to cow, therefore using the term "telecow" is redundant and a complete waste of time.
I'm not quite sure you caught that so once again...
Hysteria has NO RULES it is quite literally impossible to cow
impossible to cow!!!!
Now, back to reality...
Like TheWalrus said, this version of Hysteria is the best if you want a skill based and balanced scheme.
If you want to play a scheme which is HEAVILY luck based, then you may proceed to play Hysteria with "House Rules" which you can find in the "Rules" section here:
https://worms2d.info/Hysteria
Keep in mind, playing with House Rules is a variant of Hysteria usually played by lesser skilled players and/or beginner players who may or may not enjoy luck based schemes over skill based schemes.
Also, for those who complain about piling being a "lame tactic" which takes away from "just shooting", you have schemes like BnG and Grenade Wars to quench that thirst.
Though keep in mind, House Rules are for casual funners, not League matches.
Quote from: FoxHound on October 11, 2023, 12:27 AM
For me selecsteria is a fine solution. I don't see much problem with it.
if you cant see the problem with random placements in correlation with worm select on competitive balance, then there is no dialogue to be had at all here.
please enlighten me, what was the problem with classic league hysteria, and how did selectsteria solve it?
I checked the downloaded scheme for this cup and it is the [TUS] Hysteria version. In TUS league hysteria version, there are no rules. Never have been.
If you want to play a friendly game of hysteria without kills from teleport with low hp or teleporting for advantage piles. I would suggest playing a friendly game of Hysteria.
Otherwise it gets to convoluted.
If you want to play a cup of Selecsteria. Then host one.
Selecsteria can not be a solution to a Hysteria scheme, simply because the Hysteria scheme already exists.
a lot of you came running here with comments...
In fact, I continue to play and join the cups that I like, but at the same time I make too many mistakes when I do this.
I like hysteria, but in the format that is played in public games - without a telecow, and also when I played in the group round.
Telecow is a sneaky move that has no justification.
And only the player himself chooses whether to do so or not.
I will never play using telecow. This is a sneaky move.
And if my opinion does not coincide with yours, perhaps I really should leave the cups, because things like telecow ruin the fun and mood.
Although many people told me that playing on TUS is a fun thing, I see it from some players that this is not so.
I guess I'll finish the WoF Cup and finish the game here, on TUS.
For me, ordinary players are closer and simpler in relation to the game.
Even if many will be quitters, it is easier to understand than when they cheat in cups
Peace.
I'm not saying to overlap or substitute Hysteria by Selecsteria.
I'm saying that Hysteria is already a main scheme of the game that never had rules and works as a mixture of artillery scheme with some elements of conventional gameplay schemes, such as exploitation, control, or manipulation (like Komito calls) of the worm order/rotation. I love Hysteria and when I play Hysteria I always play without rules and I teleport next to the other Worms. By the way, I said many times that Run is a genius, and I will say this again.
But, I understand the people that complain about the Teleporting/jet packing tactic. If the idea is to play Hysteria with full focus on artillery, that trick is not so interesting for gameplay. So, Selecsteria is a nice alternative version for those who don't like the so called "telecow".
Both versions of the scheme can exist in competitive play. This is the solution I meant.
Worm placements is a problem in most schemes. But if this is really a big issue in Selecsteria, manual placement can be added to the scheme file. Remember: Selecsteria has no rules too. And Kaleu was not the first person to use worm select in Hysteria, this was done by many players before the release of 3.8 that has a feature that makes worm select be used during hot-seat time.
Worm rotation manipulation will always be an issue for some people. Accept this. When these things happen players create rules, like in BnG: there are reaim, no sitting nades, no direct shots, etc. These were tactics if you play BnG without rules, but then the norm became to play BnG with house rules.
Once you've mastered artillery, you're an artillery schemes player. And once you've mastered artillery + jet/tele, you're a competitive artillery player.
As fun isn't the same for all wormers. For smb it's hitting 10/10 shots, and for others it's outplaying by outsmarting. Can't help but lolling at this discussion. Let's raise the topic of finger rolling and 4 sec nades full powa as illegal stuff, no? What about laser sight?
The game gives you all the opportunities for fun. Decide what you like and go for it. If you want to separate with your gaming preferences, go for it. Just go for what you think is right. Nobody's here to convince anybody
dat's laif
Lool Lancelot. I didn't know you were this new to TUS o0
In any case, it's a valid frustration. You just can't get any worse than the players who complain about Petrols being used all the time, these people are unbearable. :D
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 07:10 AM
I like hysteria, but in the format that is played in public games - without a telecow, and also when I played in the group round
Please answer this question:
Why do you like Hysteria? What is it about the scheme that you enjoy?
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 07:10 AM
Telecow is a sneaky move that has no justification.
And only the player himself chooses whether to do so or not.
I will never play using telecow. This is a sneaky move.
How is it a sneaky move?
Sorry if this comes across as rude, this is a genuine question... Do you even know what the word "sneaky" means??
It appears to me that you don't understand what that means... Because that word implies stealth/deceit! Which is ridiculous... We are not using invisibility here or even hiding the fact that we pile.
You are aware it can happen, and when it happens it's obvious what the intention is. So using the word sneaky is ridiculous not to mention literally wrong.
In fact, everybody KNOWS, or SHOULD know and should accept that piling/sacrificing worms is a FUNDAMENTAL part of the entire Worms franchise, let alone Worms Armageddon.
Now, back to your "sneaky" comment... How is it stealth, or deceitful when you know it is a fundamental part of the game and players use this strategy on a daily basis??
I compare this level of ignorance to kicking a lion in the balls and beiung surprised when it attacks you and rips your face off!
If piling was illegal, this entire game would be pointlessly unbalanced for pretty much all strategical battle schemes that have multiple worms.
Why don't you complain about piling in Intermediate, Kaos, Team17, Elite etc? It serves the exact same purpose!
So not only is it a ridiculous notion to hate Hysteria because of piling, you're singling out one individual scheme for your own selfish and delusional desires.
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 07:10 AM
Even if many will be quitters, it is easier to understand than when they cheat in cups
Who is cheating in Cups?
Quote from: FoxHound on October 11, 2023, 09:25 AM
But, I understand the people that complain about the Teleporting/jet packing tactic. If the idea is to play Hysteria with full focus on artillery, that trick is not so interesting for gameplay.
Surely you mean piling tactic? As even those who like playing without piling still use teleport and jetpacks.
Hysteria is an artillery/strategy hybrid. It is not 100% artillery. If you want 100% artillery, then play BnG and stop moaning about something which has been designed perfectly just because you get annoyed at being piled and cannot accept that fundamental strategy of the entire franchise and pretty much all turned based gaming like this.
Also, when I say "you", that implies everyone who feels that way about piling.
Next you're going to tell me that sacrificing pawns in Chess is lame... Are you going to call Magnus Carlsen a cow???
Quote from: FoxHound on October 11, 2023, 09:25 AM
Worm rotation manipulation will always be an issue for some people. Accept this.
It's one thing to not like it, I couldn't care less if people don't like it, that's a personal choice.
It's when they blatently lie and say things which are literally not true that bothers me.
Calling it "cheating", "sneaky", stuff like that, it's riduculous and those people need to be put in their place.
I wonder if this discussion could ever had happened if I didn't make this cup at all. What could we all be doing Instead? Maybe we could have effected someone's life profoundly. WHO KNOWS? :D
Quote from: TheKomodo on October 11, 2023, 03:14 PM
Please answer this question:
Why do you like Hysteria? What is it about the scheme that you enjoy?
How is it a sneaky move?
Sorry if this comes across as rude, this is a genuine question... Do you even know what the word "sneaky" means??
It appears to me that you don't understand what that means... Because that word implies stealth/deceit! Which is ridiculous... We are not using invisibility here or even hiding the fact that we pile.
You are aware it can happen, and when it happens it's obvious what the intention is. So using the word sneaky is ridiculous not to mention literally wrong.
In fact, everybody KNOWS, or SHOULD know and should accept that piling/sacrificing worms is a FUNDAMENTAL part of the entire Worms franchise, let alone Worms Armageddon.
Now, back to your "sneaky" comment... How is it stealth, or deceitful when you know it is a fundamental part of the game and players use this strategy on a daily basis??
I compare this level of ignorance to kicking a lion in the balls and beiung surprised when it attacks you and rips your face off!
If piling was illegal, this entire game would be pointlessly unbalanced for pretty much all strategical battle schemes that have multiple worms.
Why don't you complain about piling in Intermediate, Kaos, Team17, Elite etc? It serves the exact same purpose!
So not only is it a ridiculous notion to hate Hysteria because of piling, you're singling out one individual scheme for your own selfish and delusional desires.
Who is cheating in Cups?
Surely you mean piling tactic? As even those who like playing without piling still use teleport and jetpacks.
Hysteria is an artillery/strategy hybrid. It is not 100% artillery. If you want 100% artillery, then play BnG and stop moaning about something which has been designed perfectly just because you get annoyed at being piled and cannot accept that fundamental strategy of the entire franchise and pretty much all turned based gaming like this.
Also, when I say "you", that implies everyone who feels that way about piling.
Next you're going to tell me that sacrificing pawns in Chess is lame... Are you going to call Magnus Carlsen a cow???
It's one thing to not like it, I couldn't care less if people don't like it, that's a personal choice.
It's when they blatently lie and say things which are literally not true that bothers me.
Calling it "cheating", "sneaky", stuff like that, it's riduculous and those people need to be put in their place.
I wonder how you want to put me in my place?) Lol.
It's a pity that the English language is poor enough for me to be able to describe the situation more specifically, sorry.
I felt like I should be arguing here? although I only expressed my point of view, and it will remain unchanged.
For me, there is one type of hysteria that is played on TUS, with telecows; and another type of hysteria played on the Wormnet by in public host (there are very few of them, unfortunately).
When I played in the cup, in the group stage, I enjoyed the game. It doesn't matter who wins or loses. The players thought that telecow was a dirty trick and did not use it. As a result, we got a lot of fun from the game, I think.
Each player decides for himself whether to use telecow or not.
But apparently for all the
nerds "pro-players" here it is more important to get a pixelated picture, points and some kind of rating (which will actually mean nothing as soon as the site disappears) than to get fun from the game.
If you want me to defend my opinion, I don't need to do that. I do not see the point. If my opinion contradicts the opinion of the majority, this does not mean that it is incorrect.
I won't write any more in this thread. If you try to take this as a personal insult, I won't mind.
In this case, it will be enough for you to refuse to help me with the cup so that I can not waste time and start the playoffs. I would like to leave TUS as soon as possible.
Quote from: Kradie on October 11, 2023, 03:30 PM
I wonder if this discussion could ever had happened if I didn't make this cup at all. What could we all be doing Instead? Maybe we could have effected someone's life profoundly. WHO KNOWS? :D
It seems to me that I offended someone, but in reality this is far from the case :D
I just said my opinion about the scheme.
Hysteria for me is mostly shooting, but not strategy. At TUS they seriously think differently.
That's why it's easier for me to disappear from here than to continue pointlessly writing something here, lol
Quote from: Kradie on October 11, 2023, 03:30 PM
I wonder if this discussion could ever had happened if I didn't make this cup at all. What could we all be doing Instead? Maybe we could have effected someone's life profoundly. WHO KNOWS? :D
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/remove-hysteria-9106/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/hysteria-in-the-classic-league-14358/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/ban-hysteria-from-default-league-19389/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/delete-hysteria-from-classic-league-23735/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/should-hysteria-be-moved-to-the-free-league-30491/
enjoy ;D
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 03:43 PM
It seems to me that I offended someone, but in reality this is far from the case :D
I just said my opinion about the scheme.
Hysteria for me is mostly shooting, but not strategy. At TUS they seriously think differently.
That's why it's easier for me to disappear from here than to continue pointlessly writing something here, lol
I was only trying to spark some enigma and interest around time travel and ''what ifs''.. It was off topic but that was the point :)
Quote from: Korydex on October 11, 2023, 03:53 PM
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/remove-hysteria-9106/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/hysteria-in-the-classic-league-14358/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/ban-hysteria-from-default-league-19389/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/delete-hysteria-from-classic-league-23735/
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/should-hysteria-be-moved-to-the-free-league-30491/
enjoy ;D
Oh you :D
So to summarize, don't use strategy in turn based strategy, or else it's a dirty trick. It's amazing how we get this conversation or topic every 6mo or so. If you are getting too victimized by telecow, it means your strategy sucks. Complaining and blaming others because you made a tactical mistake is hilarious.
I'm sure most people get angry about telecow - you do some good moves, kill some worms, then one worm starts teleporting on your worms and mowing them down one by one. I did too - until I realized there was a way I could fight it with strategy.
But then there is nothing better than a good old ad hominem "honor" appeal. I must not have enough integrity or honor to understand how you should play no rules schemes.
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 03:40 PM
I wonder how you want to put me in my place?) Lol.
It isn't aimed at you alone, however everyone who keeps making false statements that live outside reality.
I will keep saying this to you until you get it drilled into your head:
There is NO SUCH THING as "Telecow" in Hysteria as a base scheme, the official scheme.This is a HOUSE RULE that exists ONLY for those who wish to play this in funners, or Cups that state house rules specifically.If you host a Hysteria online, and someone joins, and then piles you. IT IS NOT A COW because you did not mention that the match will have rules.A cow is when a player BREAKS THE RULES! Since Hysteria HAS NO RULES - It is therefore impossible to cow in Hysteria!Hysteria, the standard/default scheme settings has NO RULES!I don't care that you, or anyone else personally has an issue with piling in a video game.
The problem is that you are making incorrect statements which live outside reality! If you want to play without piling with anyone in a private match, that's fine! Though you need to be aware of actual facts otherwise you will get into arguments and fights with people online because you don't know the truth.
All you need to say is that you don't like piling in Hysteria and that you like playing with a few special rules added with your friends, and that's it, nobody would care, there wouldn't be cause for argument.
If you keep saying things like "Telecow" and "Dirty trick" which is literally delusional nonsense in the context of THIS LEAGUE! then I'll keep coming here and writing actual facts about actual official settings including the history of the game and things that ACTUALLY EXIST and constantly informing you that you are wrong:
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 03:40 PM
For me, there is one type of hysteria that is played on TUS, with telecows; and another type of hysteria played on the Wormnet by in public host (there are very few of them, unfortunately).
Again:
There is NO SUCH THING AS TELECOW IN HYSTERIA ON TUS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RULES!The sooner you get this drilled into your head, the better!
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 03:40 PM
When I played in the cup, in the group stage, I enjoyed the game. It doesn't matter who wins or loses. The players thought that telecow was a dirty trick and did not use it. As a result, we got a lot of fun from the game, I think.
I have no issue with this, because you worded it better, you specifically added in the keyword "thought".
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 03:40 PM
Each player decides for himself whether to use telecow or not.
As I've said before... There are
NO RULES IN HYSTERIA! so saying telecow just makes you look incredibly ignorant to the reality here.
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 03:40 PM
In this case, it will be enough for you to refuse to help me with the cup so that I can not waste time and start the playoffs. I would like to leave TUS as soon as possible.
I am one of the few people who can separate a heated debate or argument from friendship.
I do not have any bad feelings towards you whatsoever, I just want you to see the truth, I'm trying to help you!
Last but not least, I will still help with the Cup stuff, I'm not that kind of guy who would abandon someone over a disagreement. That's what pathetic people do! :D
disagreements are part of our life, aren't they?
I don't understand why you all overreact to my point of view? :D
@komo, Even though I myself agree with everything you said about Hysteria but your approach on discussing is over the top.
Quote from: TheKomodo on October 11, 2023, 05:53 PM
I will keep saying this to you until you get it drilled into your head
That is not really nice and you need to cool down.
I think every pro/experienced hysteria players should know when they start a hyst match that even though u make great bng shots and kill 3 worms while u still have 4, u might get rekt at the end cuz thats how the scheme works :D you never have a real advantage. only when u go down to 1 worm vs 1 worm at the end. there a lot other things you could put the blame on Lancy, wind strength, bouncing luck, f@#!ed by the pixel, sucky starting positions, all worms at bottom, petrolflame not spreading, etc :D those are the circumstances that can f@#! up a game, not unique rules about abusing worm rotation
so not many of you have actually watched the rounds that the guys played, but Lancelot also tried to jetsuicide in 2nd round, 3.01 ^.- so telecow and jetcow are vile but telesuicide and jetsuicide are in gentlemen codex? o:
Quote from: Lupastic on October 11, 2023, 08:37 PM
I think every pro/experienced hysteria players should know when they start a hyst match that even though u make great bng shots and kill 3 worms while u still have 4, u might get rekt at the end cuz thats how the scheme works :D you never have a real advantage. only when u go down to 1 worm vs 1 worm at the end. there a lot other things you could put the blame on Lancy, wind strength, bouncing luck, f@#!ed by the pixel, sucky starting positions, all worms at bottom, petrolflame not spreading, etc :D those are the circumstances that can f@#! up a game, not unique rules about abusing worm rotation
so not many of you have actually watched the rounds that the guys played, but Lancelot also tried to jetsuicide in 2nd round, 3.01 ^.- so telecow and jetcow are vile but telesuicide and jetsuicide are in gentlemen codex? o:
after the first round, can you call the rest a decent game? ;D
I stopped playing seriously here and trying to win after telecow from walrus in the first round
I am also grateful to the random placement of worms in the second round, it helped me finish the game faster, thx GOOOD vm ae
About the random placements, a few words...
I used to like Intermediate 10 years ago, but now I understand that the starting positions of the players' worms decide a lot. And no bo3, bo5, etc. will balance this scheme. Only the elite scheme is worthy of attention.
That's all I wanted to say.
Quote from: Kaleu on October 11, 2023, 02:37 PM
Lool Lancelot. I didn't know you were this new to TUS o0
In any case, it's a valid frustration. You just can't get any worse than the players who complain about Petrols being used all the time, these people are unbearable. :D
how could I miss this...
I would also make 5 petrols in the scheme, so that fans of this weapon would not be able to shoot me with them endlessly at auto-aim
Lol.
Yes, I have a little experience in the TUS league, but I haven't lost anything, that I don't know some things.
My nervous system is intact, for now, and partly due to my ignorance of some things here.
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 06:41 PM
I don't understand why you all overreact to my point of view? :D
It would be a valid point of view if you weren't writing literal lies though.
You can't just write a lot of false information, and think you can get away with it. People who actually care about the game WILL fight you on it.
I'm using actual evidence and history to prove you wrong, and you're still not getting it...
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on October 11, 2023, 08:09 PM
That is not really nice and you need to cool down.
Hmm, over here it's a pretty common thing to say, it's just emphasis on the fact I need to repeat something over and over until they finally understand it.
Nothing I said feels like too much to me, I'm using giant letters and specific phrases to emphasis how important the points are, that's the intention anyway.
Quote from: Lancelot on October 11, 2023, 09:39 PM
About the random placements, a few words...
I used to like Intermediate 10 years ago, but now I understand that the starting positions of the players' worms decide a lot. And no bo3, bo5, etc. will balance this scheme. Only the elite scheme is worthy of attention.
So let me get this straight...
You understand that the random placement introduces luck, and you agree to counter that luck to do Bo3/Bo5 etc... Yet you want to do a complete 180 on that when it's Hysteria?
Also, there are many schemes "worthy of attention".
It is a common phrase in America also. To drill it into your head is to know it by heart. Like green is go, yellow slow, red stop.