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Other Things => Clans & Communities => dt => Topic started by: avirex on September 30, 2010, 11:44 AM
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wish my luck!! today is my final day at court (i hope!!) i will find out exactly what will happen with me... im nervous.. wish me luxxxx :(((((
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Lucky m8 :-[
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Best of luck.
What did you do anyway? :O
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Oi rebel, what have U done? Smth serious or wth?
Good luck either way!
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Good luck mate, i hope it goes well at court. ^-^
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gl !! & hf xD :D:D
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blowjobs in public being drunk, nothing so serious :D
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ok.. it went good!! the prosecutor wanted me to serve 1year jail time.. the judge dropped it to 60 days jail time... and i requested to not go into jail until after x-mas, because its my nieces first x-mas, and i also have nephew and godchildren :D he accepted.. so i will serve 60 days starting in January!! went much better then i expected.. im happy.
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but what u have done?:o
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its just a long story, and tbh.. its all really silly.... the little silly things i have done does not warrent jail time in my HONEST opinion, and everyone in real life who i tell about this ordeal, they say "awww, dont worry, u wont be going to jail dude, i have heard of much worse shit with no jail time" lololollol... and i say "yeah but my lawyer seems to think im gonna serve some time" and they respond with a "nah, no way" hahaha.. and i dont blame them, the shit i done is just so petty...
but the fact is i am going... 60 days with nothing but bad food, uniforms ordering me around, and n@#!!!s wanting to steal any little thing i own... cant freaking wait!
edit: i did not really think about it until now... but i hope they dont put me in, inbetween xmas and new years.. omg would that f@#!ing suck! lol
hopefully the judge takes a vacation from x-mas until after new years :D
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just call to me if someone is gonna hurt u there and tell them about ninjacamel from finland with glock17! u can tell that i have shaved my ballz with avis tutorial also.
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it seems that mm has a strong chance to be champion @ session 18 and 19 LOL joke avi.
Man just be really out of troubles there please, or you will stay for much more time there.
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hahahahhaha nino, harsh!!
and yes ninja, i will keep in mind when the n@#!!!s want my breakfast tray...
"brace ya urself fool!! i know ninjacamel!" hahaha
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Sad story.
But tbh, stop shaving ur balls immediately...just better for you.
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lmfao so true SPW! hahahahah
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And dont pick up the soap if u lose it in the shower .. :p
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lol i bet he will do it on purpose, to get some pleasure while shower!!! huahua
then after 1 month there..he will pointed as the soap man heheheh joke avi, btw HB ae
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I`m sure avi will drop the soap, he cant take 60 days withous sex :D You should serve your time in Norway though avi ;P i havent been to prison here myself, but i hear it`s pretty much like vacation xD We recently had a new prison opening: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html
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I will pray for you. ^-^ May God keep you safe. ^^
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lol crazy, u really want avi xD and btw, i remember when mo0k got 2 months or osmethig on prison too, cos of shits at driving drunk, he told me it was very nice there hehe only bad cos no internet.
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I will pray for you. ^-^ May God keep you safe. ^^
Aw, that's nice of you Ghostworm :) Lord be praised.
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lol crazy, u really want avi xD and btw, i remember when mo0k got 2 months or osmethig on prison too, cos of shits at driving drunk, he told me it was very nice there hehe only bad cos no internet.
lol, and I remember that Root from SfX was a convict too.. If there were internet in jail U guys could make a new clan - pW - prisoners Worms or smth.. ;x
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lol crazy, u really want avi xD and btw, i remember when mo0k got 2 months or osmethig on prison too, cos of shits at driving drunk, he told me it was very nice there hehe only bad cos no internet.
lol, and I remember that Root from SfX was a convict too.. If there were internet in jail U guys could make a new clan - pW - prisoners Worms or smth.. ;x
That would be so hardcore.
"Wanna game of Shopper?"
"Nahh, I gotta go into solitary confinement for 2 weeks, tell MI I'm gonna miss the playoffs"
xD
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^^ I am willing to pray for others who are in need of God. And Avi is in deed needed of God.
God still love people who are not a christian, God love is deeper and willing to help people.
Avi, I hope God keep you safe while you still at 60 days of jail time. :3
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lm fao @ all of this...
crazy, move to america and commit a crime, not only can we start a worms clan.. but u can drop the soap for me!! haha
but dude, serious.. if i could have internet in my jail cell and a laptop, it would be NP.. i would just be at wnet literally ALL day lol.. would be great.
anyways.. thnx for the HB nino!! i jus got home from a nice birthday cake (ice cream cake) from a friend of mine... and also, she has put a new cue stick on her credit card for me..(from the internet) i cant even wait, im so excited.. its a 300 dollar cue stick.. i am going to pay her back in full, but im just thrilled she ordered it for me.. my parents already agreed to pay 100 for it for my b-day.. (my dad is big into pool aswell) im too lazy to get links ATM.. but 2marrow i will show u links of my new cue, i cant even wait to get it!!!!
but now, i am on my way to my GF house, for some good ol' birthday sex!! gnight all, and thnx u so much for ur prayer gengar.
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Sixty days is feasible.
You should spend that time wisely, think about what you want to do when you get out, and do it.
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Crazy, that jail is a joke, ANYONE who commits a crime should be treated with the worst conditions possible, people will commit a crime just to get into this jail it's ridiculous, that is seriously the stupidest thing I have ever seen, why the hell would you treat a criminal like this?
I am not kidding, but if I ever hit rock bottom, like lose all job, family respect from friends etc, i'd seriously consider doing something very very very bad to get INTO jail for a better life... <--- It shouldn't be like this, but so many people actually realise they have a better life in jail than out jail which is why they keep committing crimes...
Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime.
I personally think they should bring back hanging n stuff, the world's turning into a bunch of pussys 1 country at a time.
I mean no offense to Jeff, unless whatever it was he done was in self-defense to protect him and his family, cuz he hasn't told me, the "silly things" he says he has done, I think it will be a good thing for Jeff, cuz he's the kind of person that will actually realise his mistakes or whatever and learn a lesson from this and be a better person.
And yeah like D said Jeff, really think about where you wanna go and what you wanna do with your life and do it when you get out, or you'll just come out with VERY bad hand cramp.
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hardcore jail is here, u get in for steal a chicken and leave it up to kill everyone. xD
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I hope it goes well avi, terrorists in prisions of Israel can graduate wth PHD :|
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Komo... your post is ridiculous... bring back hangings? it would be a total outrage if they hung someone in front of the public who turned out innocent.. and that has happened before (innocent people getting the death penalty).
Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime.
What? Are you serious? Why don't you read up on "restorative justice". Using restorative justice has statistics to back it up... it helps criminals turn their life around and get back to working, etc... but according to you, we should just not care at all.... you sound completely ignorant in your last post :P
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bng is not good for u, dave.
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komo, i have been to jail once before, when i was 17.. does that make me scum? i did not learn my lesson? lol... am i just a scumbag f@#!? :D
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komo, i have been to jail once before, when i was 17.. does that make me scum? i did not learn my lesson? lol... am i just a scumbag f@#!? :D
You almost sound like you're proud of yourself ;O
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cue, its just reality... im not proud, but im also not ashamed... komos post is just over the top, as usual ;)
just because someone goes to jail, does not make them a bad person, or a scum bag... and in my opinion it does not make them a criminal either...
i always work on my personality, (in real life.. dont rly care about my "internet personality") and strive to be as polite as possible, and just do nice things, help people when i can, and do things that can make someone day go that much better, just from a small little thing i have done... like last week, i bought some lil old man a coffee in the morning at dunkin donuts, he was standing in line behind me talking to me, he was a nice guy, i talked back with him while we w8ed in line, and when it came time, i told the cashier im buying his coffee too... he did not want to accept it at first.. but it told him he does not have a choice, with a smile! haha...
that made the old f@#!ers day, he thought i was the greatest young man, im sure it made his whole week even, and its just something small that i have done, that i pretty much forgot about on my way to work.... but for him, it prolly was a great gesture and meant alot to him..
i do this kinda stuff alot, and im very polite to total strangers, and always smile, nod, say hello, wave... lol.. i want people to remember me was just a nice person.... there are too many rotton f@#!ers in this world walkin around with a smug, staring u down like they are hard core... its rediculous, those are the people i smile and wave to the most ! lol
sooo all im trying to say is, dont f@#!ing judge me that im goign to jail, i have made bad choices that are putting me there, but that does not have shit to do with me as a person...
plz dont hang me :(
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there are too many rotton f@#!ers in this world walkin around with a smug, staring u down like they are hard core... its rediculous, those are the people i smile and wave to the most ! lol
"Those who are the hardest to love, usually need it the most." :D
And yea, don't hang Avi.
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sooo all im trying to say is, dont f@#!ing judge me that im goign to jail, i have made bad choices that are putting me there, but that does not have shit to do with me as a person...
Sounds like you're proud of it (bragging even), main reason being you havent told us why you're going to "jail". Ill bet its for a parking fine or something like that, or punching someone in the face maybe.
+ about rehabilitation:
Personally I wouldnt want to see the murderer of my child have his life turned around, Id want to see him die a slow, agonising death. Petty criminals deserve a second chance, murderers and rapists deserve death, not "rehabilitation". Its a lose/lose situation for the victims families, made all that worse knowing that the person who caused all the suffering is out enjoying their life.
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sad but true
avi u sound lovely [:
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Don't forget to scratch your clan tag on the wall
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i already have told who i felt like telling what i did... its not important to tell everyone, and further more.. this is my clans forum.. i dont know why any of u read this shit other then my clan lol...
and at what point was i bragging? if u guys have not notice, i pretty much tell alot of shit going in my life, from the fleas, to my pool tournaments, to shaving my balls, to buying a cue stick, to f@#!ing a bitch in her ass, to going to jail.... so why do u label this topic bragging? get a life, and off my clans forums losers :D
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That's why i love you avi :P
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Very defensive there. Its still a public forum, if you make a thread about going to jail you cant expect people not to ask why you're going... its interesting. Anyway gl, hope you dont get raped too hard.
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im not sure if im being defensive, or just pointing out how silly it is that you tell me im bragging..
im probably the most open person at these forums as far as personal life... im constantly typing up some banter that no1 gives a shit about.. lmfao.. but yet THIS particular thread is bragging... interesting...
if u guys really are that curious about what i did, i can tell yah.. if ur going to lose sleep over it.. let me know..
and.. thnx for the gl with rape?...lol
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Well starting to be one of the more enjoyable ones haha :P
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dont care for them avi, i like as you use this forum as a day-book huehuehue <3
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hahah thnx nino! .. somones gotta do it, right?
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Komo... your post is ridiculous... bring back hangings? it would be a total outrage if they hung someone in front of the public who turned out innocent.. and that has happened before (innocent people getting the death penalty).
Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime.
What? Are you serious? Why don't you read up on "restorative justice". Using restorative justice has statistics to back it up... it helps criminals turn their life around and get back to working, etc... but according to you, we should just not care at all.... you sound completely ignorant in your last post :P
Shyguy, it is now blindingly obvious that you do not understand my posts.
There should be no sympathy for ANY crime, no matter what it is, if you steal a chocolate bar, it doesn't make you a bad person and if you get caught then you deserve the punishment, and deserve no sympathy.
In terms of hangings, I am obviously talking about people who Murder, Rape, Destroy peoples lifes for shits n giggles.
Obviously people who like, steal money from big companys, or download music and films illegally should just be fined or jailed short-term and helped because they either do this because they can't afford things they need/want, or because they are greedy, so some sort of rehabilitation to help them get their life on track is ok, but saying that they still don't deserve sympathy for what they have done, they still committed a crime, they are still a criminal, it doesn't make them a horrible person, and i'm sure people like this have done many good things for many people also maybe.
Shyguy, I don't believe in giving the worst people on Earth a 2nd chance, by this I mean the murderers rapists and pedophiles and people alike, but murderers and rapists and pedophiles and the like don't deserve to live in my eyes, and this is definately not an opinion I think is over the top, I knwo for a fact MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people share my opinion on this, so in all serious-ness, if you think these kind of people deserve a second chance, after ruining so many peoples lifes and ending others at times, then I have no respect for you whatsoever.
I still think criminals are scum, but petty crimes are easier to turn a blind eye to, EVERYONE has the opportunity to make their lifes better without committing crimes, if they get caught stealing and go to jail for a few weeks and come out, learn their lesson, and never do it again, fine, I could respect them after that, but if they continued to do it, then they are scum in my eyes and I wouldn't.
My post is not over the top, I have a very strong opinion on this matter, and if you really want to debate about it I could bring up some very very convincing and strong points that you couldn't argue against.
Oh and Shyguy, think of the person right now you care about most in the world, if someone murdered them in cold-blood for no reason, maybe just to mug them, or maybe just for the fun of it, you would either be a hypocrit, you would want them dead, or there is something seriously wrong with you if you wanted to help them.
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Avi is going to jail and Komo is still boring, I see nothing has changed
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Komo... your post is ridiculous... bring back hangings? it would be a total outrage if they hung someone in front of the public who turned out innocent.. and that has happened before (innocent people getting the death penalty).
Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime.
What? Are you serious? Why don't you read up on "restorative justice". Using restorative justice has statistics to back it up... it helps criminals turn their life around and get back to working, etc... but according to you, we should just not care at all.... you sound completely ignorant in your last post :P
Shyguy, it is now blindingly obvious that you do not understand my posts.
There should be no sympathy for ANY crime, no matter what it is, if you steal a chocolate bar, it doesn't make you a bad person and if you get caught then you deserve the punishment, and deserve no sympathy.
I think you didn't understand my post... first of all, in your first post you said no CRIMINALS deserve sympathy, not no CRIME deserves sympathy... there is a difference obviously, and I built the rest of my post based off of you saying CRIMINALS, not CRIME.
In terms of hangings, I am obviously talking about people who Murder, Rape, Destroy peoples lifes for shits n giggles.
It doesn't matter! Innocent people are wrongly convicted sometimes, and the moment that happens with your silly little hang-em'-at-public-square, it would be a total outrage. What if the person YOU most loved was innocent but lost the case, and was hung in front of the public? I'd like to think the world could progress, and killing people in public is not the way to do it... innocent or guilty...
so in all serious-ness, if you think these kind of people deserve a second chance, after ruining so many peoples lifes and ending others at times, then I have no respect for you whatsoever.
Once again, I was basing my response off of you saying CRIMINALS deserve no sympathy, not CRIMES deserve no sympathy.
Oh and Shyguy, think of the person right now you care about most in the world, if someone murdered them in cold-blood for no reason, maybe just to mug them, or maybe just for the fun of it, you would either be a hypocrit, you would want them dead, or there is something seriously wrong with you if you wanted to help them.
One last time, I was basing my response after you saying no CRIMINALS deserve sympathy, which is exactly what you said, not no CRIMES. So don't blame me for misinterpreting what you actually meant when you did not write it that way.
"Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime."
That is what you said... and that says that all criminals deserve no sympathy no matter what crime they did.
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There was a failed assassination on Hitler, the guys who planned it were called criminals and executed. No sympathy? There are exceptions imo.
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I believe in the death penalty when the evidence relating to their conviction is 100% reliable and that the crime is grave enough to deserve it and there is no hope of rehabilitating that person to be able to function in society to be able to provide any good in the world.
I kind of cringe a little when I write that because I'm sure there are some perfectly rational arguments against my position. But when I think of the hurt and suffering of losing a cherished loved one, whether the arguments are rational or not, having that person executed could be the way for the family members to feel like justice was served.
Those left behind will live with the pain for the rest of their lives and I do believe that extreme justice has it's place in certain situations.
It is an extremely sensitive and controversial topic and I wouldn't say I was totally decided either way.
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I think you didn't understand my post... first of all, in your first post you said no CRIMINALS deserve sympathy, not no CRIME deserves sympathy... there is a difference obviously, and I built the rest of my post based off of you saying CRIMINALS, not CRIME.
So what, I still think any criminal deserves no sympathy, and the point you are trying to make, a petty crime is NOT as bad as someone branded a criminal, a criminal is a name given to someone normally who is a repeat offender, and I stick by what I say, no sympathy, if you wanna cry your eyes our and give them a hug, then whatever, that's your choice, I think it's weak, but fair enough.
It doesn't matter! Innocent people are wrongly convicted sometimes, and the moment that happens with your silly little hang-em'-at-public-square, it would be a total outrage. What if the person YOU most loved was innocent but lost the case, and was hung in front of the public? I'd like to think the world could progress, and killing people in public is not the way to do it... innocent or guilty...
Obviously I am talking about people who are proven to be guilty you idiot, obviously I don't think innocent people should be hanged that's just f@#!ing stupid and ignorant you would even assume I think that, use your brain ffs.
Once again, I was basing my response off of you saying CRIMINALS deserve no sympathy, not CRIMES deserve no sympathy.
"Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime."
That is what you said... and that says that all criminals deserve no sympathy no matter what crime they did.
I still stick by what I said, ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed, if it's something like stealing something of small value then obviously they are not as bad a person as someone who committed murder in cold blood, if they get caught, they are still a criminal and I still have no sympathy for them, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
What I wrote is perfectly fine for my point of view, you are just assuming that by me saying this, I think they should all rot in hell, that isn't what I am saying, the ones that commit petty crimes like I mentioned previously might deserve another chance, one of my mates stole a set of headphones before, I had no sympathy for him, I didn't speak to him for a couple of years, and when I seen him again I made it sure to him if he ever stole from me again i'd kick f@#! out of him, we're best mates again now and in a way I think it helped him, cuz he lost a good friend for a while, I don't think he would do it again, and so far he hasn't and that was about 9-10 years ago.
Do you understand what I am saying now?
At the end of the day, I feel the world and justice system is extremely flawed and weak nowadays, like I said in another topic, years ago less crimes were committed because people were strict and actually followed through with justice, if you committed a serious crime, that would be you f@#!ed for life, and it worked with an extremely high success ratio, people aren't scared to commit serious crimes now because they know they will get protection help and back out way way too soon.
I'd feel safer if I was living even a few hundred years ago, even if life expentancy wasn't as long, i'd rather live 30-50 years of justice than possibly up to 100 years of witnessing this joke of a justice system and weak-minded and human right idiots ruining the lifes of many.
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I think you didn't understand my post... first of all, in your first post you said no CRIMINALS deserve sympathy, not no CRIME deserves sympathy... there is a difference obviously, and I built the rest of my post based off of you saying CRIMINALS, not CRIME.
So what, I still think any criminal deserves no sympathy, and the point you are trying to make, a petty crime is NOT as bad as someone branded a criminal, a criminal is a name given to someone normally who is a repeat offender, and I stick by what I say, no sympathy, if you wanna cry your eyes our and give them a hug, then whatever, that's your choice, I think it's weak, but fair enough.
It doesn't matter! Innocent people are wrongly convicted sometimes, and the moment that happens with your silly little hang-em'-at-public-square, it would be a total outrage. What if the person YOU most loved was innocent but lost the case, and was hung in front of the public? I'd like to think the world could progress, and killing people in public is not the way to do it... innocent or guilty...
Obviously I am talking about people who are proven to be guilty you idiot, obviously I don't think innocent people should be hanged that's just f@#!ing stupid and ignorant you would even assume I think that, use your brain ffs.
Once again, I was basing my response off of you saying CRIMINALS deserve no sympathy, not CRIMES deserve no sympathy.
"Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime."
That is what you said... and that says that all criminals deserve no sympathy no matter what crime they did.
I still stick by what I said, ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed, if it's something like stealing something of small value then obviously they are not as bad a person as someone who committed murder in cold blood, if they get caught, they are still a criminal and I still have no sympathy for them, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
What I wrote is perfectly fine for my point of view, you are just assuming that by me saying this, I think they should all rot in hell, that isn't what I am saying, the ones that commit petty crimes like I mentioned previously might deserve another chance, one of my mates stole a set of headphones before, I had no sympathy for him, I didn't speak to him for a couple of years, and when I seen him again I made it sure to him if he ever stole from me again i'd kick f@#! out of him, we're best mates again now and in a way I think it helped him, cuz he lost a good friend for a while, I don't think he would do it again, and so far he hasn't and that was about 9-10 years ago.
Do you understand what I am saying now?
At the end of the day, I feel the world and justice system is extremely flawed and weak nowadays, like I said in another topic, years ago less crimes were committed because people were strict and actually followed through with justice, if you committed a serious crime, that would be you f@#!ed for life, and it worked with an extremely high success ratio, people aren't scared to commit serious crimes now because they know they will get protection help and back out way way too soon.
I'd feel safer if I was living even a few hundred years ago, even if life expentancy wasn't as long, i'd rather live 30-50 years of justice than possibly up to 100 years of witnessing this joke of a justice system and weak-minded/human right idiots ruining the lifes of many.
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all this thread cos a stolen cap :-X
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thieving scum
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Lol Nail :D
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"a criminal is a name given to someone normally who is a repeat offender"
No, a criminal is someone who commits a crime.. it doesn't have to multiple crimes... every dictionary in the world will back me up on that.
"if you wanna cry your eyes our and give them a hug, then whatever, that's your choice, I think it's weak, but fair enough."
That is not what I want to do, and that is also not what restorative justice does... obviously you didn't look it up after I told you to...
"Obviously I am talking about people who are proven to be guilty you idiot, obviously I don't think innocent people should be hanged that's just f@#!ing stupid and ignorant you would even assume I think that, use your brain ffs."
Don't call me an idiot just because you can't understand what I even wrote... I said INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE PROVEN GUILTY SOMETIMES... whether it was a setup, the judge got it wrong, WHATEVER. There have been cases where people have gotten the death penalty and years later it was found out that they were innocent. Got it now? If someone was hung out in public and years later it turns out they were actually innocent, would you just say whoops? That person just got murdered in front of people who were there cheering for his death, and he turned out to be innocent... THINK ABOUT IT.
Idk what to tell you, komo... you say criminals and crimes deserve no sympathy etc, then you continue on saying "well obviously this person isnt as bad as that guy and he might deserve another chance but they deserve no sympathy". That is what your posts look like... I don't know how you can say ALL CRIMINALS DESERVE NO SYMPATHY and then say some criminals deserve a second chance... make up your mind... You keep contradicting yourself... multiple times really...
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At the end of the day, I feel the world and justice system is extremely flawed and weak nowadays, like I said in another topic, years ago less crimes were committed because people were strict and actually followed through with justice, if you committed a serious crime, that would be you f@#!ed for life, and it worked with an extremely high success ratio, people aren't scared to commit serious crimes now because they know they will get protection help and back out way way too soon.
I'd feel safer if I was living even a few hundred years ago, even if life expentancy wasn't as long, i'd rather live 30-50 years of justice than possibly up to 100 years of witnessing this joke of a justice system and weak-minded and human right idiots ruining the lifes of many.
I'm interested, where did you get that information (especially the statements in bold), got any references to share?
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I know that isn't what restorative justice does, but it would be may as well, cuz they are too weak-minded and pathetic to kill the guilty for serious crimes.
You are an idiot, because you are too stupid to realise what I am saying and you keep assuming and getting it wrong and continously do not understand what I am saying, so yes, you are an idiot, stop trying to make excuses, my point is if they are 100% proven guilty, as in undeniable proof that they murdered or raped someone or another very serious crime, their life should be taken from them in my opinion, why can't you f@#!ing understand this? I know people can be found guilty when they are innocent, stop saying "what ifs" and "buts" because you are just using stupid examples to back up your pathetic arguement, i'll say it one more time so you get it, if someone is proven guilty, their life should be taken from them, obviously i don't expect the same punishment for innocent people. So YOU f@#!ing think about it.
As for this:
"Idk what to tell you, komo... you say criminals and crimes deserve no sympathy etc, then you continue on saying "well obviously this person isnt as bad as that guy and he might deserve another chance but they deserve no sympathy". That is what your posts look like... I don't know how you can say ALL CRIMINALS DESERVE NO SYMPATHY and then say some criminals deserve a second chance... make up your mind... You keep contradicting yourself... multiple times really..."
Stop trying to twist my words, it's like, if I took certain words from the bible put them together I could literally end up with "this is not a true story" even though thats not what it says...
I've already said it 2 or 3 times already but I guess i'm gonna have to keep repeating it until it gets through your thick skull...
I still stick by what I said, ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed, if it's something like stealing something of small value then obviously they are not as bad a person as someone who committed murder in cold blood, if they get caught, they are still a criminal and I still have no sympathy for them, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Now, hoping you can read and understand English here, i'll give you a run down of that paragraph, I said all criminals deserve no sympathy, by this, I don't feel sorry for them, and I hope they get punished for it, obviously, and this is blatantly obvious here, if someone murders someone, it is far worse than stealing something of little value from someone, this is common sense, but I still feel they both deserve no sympathy and should be fully punished for their crime, because stealing something of little value, they will get a slap on the wrist, or a few days in the cells, it serves them right, and yes they deserve a 2nd chance because they caused no harm to anyone really, and humans have a tendency to forget about objectional losses a hell of a lot easier than losing a loved one, this doesn't mean I have any sympathy for them, so stop your pathetic attempts to twist my words, you can disagree with my opinion all you want, but do NOT try and twist my words and stop making dire assumptions.
Rok: It's obvious, you killed someone, you were hanged, so that person wasn't around to harm anyone else ever again, now, people are freed, and harm again, end of story.
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"I know that isn't what restorative justice does, but it would be may as well, cuz they are too weak-minded and pathetic to kill the guilty for serious crimes."
You clearly don't know what restorative justice is at all. you refuse to look it up for some reason. end of story. stop making comments about something you don't know anything about and refuse to know anything about.
"You are an idiot, because you are too stupid to realise what I am saying and you keep assuming and getting it wrong and continously do not understand what I am saying, so yes, you are an idiot, stop trying to make excuses, my point is if they are 100% proven guilty, as in undeniable proof that they murdered or raped someone or another very serious crime, their life should be taken from them in my opinion, why can't you f@#!ing understand this?"
Why can't I understand this? Because this ^ is NOT what you wrote in your previous posts.
"I know people can be found guilty when they are innocent, stop saying "what ifs" and "buts" because you are just using stupid examples to back up your pathetic arguement,"
I am using "what ifs" and "buts" because I am basing them off of real, historical occurrences. You just said it yourself! "I know people can be found guilty when they are innocent". THERE! You just gave a perfectly good reason why hangings would be a bad idea; because innocent people can be found guilty (historically they have) and be hung. So, Komo, if you can admit that innocent people can be proven guilty, then why can't you see that public hangings would be an outrage? You call my argument pathetic when you just substantiated it. Good job.
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Komo, stop insulting people whenever they don't see your view; it is probably because you have piss poor writing skills. You make vague statements and then the next post later you write a huge message saying exactly which conclusions we are supposed to draw and how dumb we are for not understanding that. You contradict yourself all the time and then make up some bullshit to cover up. Like this:
"Obviously I am talking about people who are proven to be guilty you idiot, obviously I don't think innocent people should be hanged that's just f@#!ing stupid and ignorant you would even assume I think that, use your brain ffs." -Komo
"I know people can be found guilty when they are innocent, stop saying "what ifs" and "buts" because you are just using stupid examples to back up your pathetic arguement," -Komo
You say only people who are proven guilty should be hung, then the very next post you say you know innocent people can be proven guilty. Therefore, innocent people can be hung... you said it all yourself, yet you continue to insist that hangings would own even though you admitted innocent people could be hung. It is not my fault you don't recognize the atrocity it would be if that were to happen. Don't say I am twisting your words either, because YOU SAID THAT, THE QUOTES ARE UP THERE.
"Rok: It's obvious, you killed someone, you were hanged, so that person wasn't around to harm anyone else ever again, now, people are freed, and harm again, end of story."
You neglect the fact that innocent people were hung often. What about Reconstruction time in the US? You know how easy it was to get a black person hung? Why don't you bring some historical evidence into your arguments, Komo, instead of ranting and raving about YOUR perception of reality... cos clearly it is off base
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lol all this cos a cap :-X
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Komo I'm getting fed up with you calling people who don't share your points of view stupid. Every time I see you're doing that, I think you're just passionate about that very argument and I let it go, but seems you just can't get enough and obviously that's not called passion.
There won't be a cool green light next time.
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the monkster has been upset!! komo, naughty boy!
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and yea, u never can prove someone is 100% guilty x: so i gotta agree with shy
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hahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha i did not read any of that bullshit, cept nino's post, and monkeys post... how funny!! hjahehaehaheah
and just for the record: i did not steal a cap! haha f@#!in ass nino
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and yea, u never can prove someone is 100% guilty x: so i gotta agree with shy
What about if you have several cross correlated and high quality pieces of video evidence of someone murdering someone along with audio samples that can be proven to be that of the suspect. You also have dna and other forms of forensic evidence confirming their guilt, a collection of eye witnesses and a strong motive. To top it all off you have a confession from the subject and a lie detector validated detailed account of why, how, where and when of which all aspects and individual components of their story can be verified and confirmed to be true.
One could argue that the most solid case will never be 100% but sometimes it's too close to 100% to argue about that 0.0000000000001% that all the evidence has somehow got it wrong.
I would still say that the death penalty should be saved for exceptional circumstances.
*The lie detector has not been proven to be an accurate tool by any stretch but for the benefit of my example I included it!
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"You say only people who are proven guilty should be hung, then the very next post you say you know innocent people can be proven guilty. Therefore, innocent people can be hung... you said it all yourself, yet you continue to insist that hangings would own even though you admitted innocent people could be hung. It is not my fault you don't recognize the atrocity it would be if that were to happen. Don't say I am twisting your words either, because YOU SAID THAT, THE QUOTES ARE UP THERE."
Seriously, I SAID, IF 100% PROVEN GUILTY THEN ONLY THEN SHOULD THEY BE HUNG, I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING f@#!ING HUNG, STOP TRYING TO TWIST MY f@#!ING WORDS I DID NOT SAY - HANG INNOCENT PEOPLE - I SAID THE GUILTY SHOULD BE HUNG, I KNOW THERE IS NO WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING HUNG I AM JUST SAYING I WISH THERE WAS, HOW f@#!ING STUPID ARE YOU !!!!!!
And MI, I am f@#!ing passionate about this because a friend of mine was killed when he was younger and the f@#!er that did it walked free.
I AM really pissed off now cuz Shyguy is such a stupid arrogant f@#!...
I can't believe you honestly think I think innocent people should be hung, that's the most arrogant and selfish thing i've ever heard you say...
I think people should be killed IF AND ONLY IF there is 100% INDENIABLE PROOF !
As for restorative justice, I DO know what it is, but I don't believe in it, I think it's a waste of money, human resource and ends up putting more people in danger than people saved.
"Why can't I understand this? Because this ^ is NOT what you wrote in your previous posts." IT IS WHAT I BLOODY WROTE YOU JUST ASSUMED SOMETHING I DIDN'T BLOODY WRITE !
My 1st and original post:
"Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime."
Now tell me WHERE do you see that I wrote they should all die?
Then I went on to say:
"I personally think they should bring back hanging n stuff"
I know and I don't blame you for not seeing this, but when I wrote "n stuff" I meant that to be small jailtime or a fine, or community service for people who commit petty crimes.
At the end of the day Shyguy just doesn't like the fact I feel this way, and he is trying to twist my words as if I have said things I haven't f@#!ing said, THAT is why I call him stupid and why i'm annoyed...
And Husk, you CAN prove someone is 100% guilty.
1 more thing I wanna say
What? Are you serious? Why don't you read up on "restorative justice". Using restorative justice has statistics to back it up... it helps criminals turn their life around and get back to working, etc... but according to you, we should just not care at all.... you sound completely ignorant in your last post :P
Are YOU serious? To ME, in MY opinion, if someone has murdered someone, in cold blood, like if they mugged someone and stabbed them, and they died, think about all the pain and anguish they have caused that persons family to suffer, are you trying to tell me you think it's fair for that person, to be able to carry on living happily after a measily jail sentence and get all the help possible to achieve this, while the person who died their family has to suffer for the rest of their lives KNOWING the person who ruined their lives gets to live happy with help from the so called "justice system"?
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at first i was like :| but then i lol'd xD
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all this trouble for 2 shoes :-X
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<3 nino
Funny thing is, i've stole stuff before, and I got caught, and my dad kicked my ass for it when the police brought me home, I got the belt, the shoe and a slap across the back of the head, I deserved the punishment and didn't even have any sympathy for myself lol, I immediately thought "I hate him" then about 2 minutes later "I won't be doing that again"
Shy, I really don't wanna argue with you anymore ok, all i'm doing is defending what I said, because of certain things happening in my life and certain actions not being taken, I got into this more than I should have, maybe you ain't an idiot, sorry for shouting and swearing at you, but you definately have been arrogant and selfish to assume certain things and putting quotes together in a way that makes it look like I am contradicting myself even though I have explained everything in full detail, I just wish you would understand what I am saying, or trying to say...
End of day you have your opinion and I have mine, let's agree to disagree and never talk about this again? Sorry mate...
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"Seriously, I SAID, IF 100% PROVEN GUILTY THEN ONLY THEN SHOULD THEY BE HUNG, I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING f@#!ING HUNG, STOP TRYING TO TWIST MY f@#!ING WORDS I DID NOT SAY - HANG INNOCENT PEOPLE - I SAID THE GUILTY SHOULD BE HUNG, I KNOW THERE IS NO WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING HUNG I AM JUST SAYING I WISH THERE WAS, HOW f@#!ING STUPID ARE YOU !!!!!!"
I did not twist your words man! Show me where I said Komo wants innocent people hung... I NEVER SAID THAT. I said if hanging came back, innocent people would be hung... THAT IS WHAT I SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OKAY? GOT IT??? I NEVER SAID YOU WISH INNOCENT PEOPLE WOULD BE HUNG!!!!!!!!!! You said they should bring back hangings, and I said why that would be a bad idea... I NEVER f@#!IN' SAID KOMO WANTS TO HANG INNOCENT PEOPLE... OK?? Geez!!!!
"I can't believe you honestly think I think innocent people should be hung, that's the most arrogant and selfish thing i've ever heard you say..."
PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I SAID THAT AND I WILL STFU.
"As for restorative justice, I DO know what it is, but I don't believe in it, I think it's a waste of money, human resource and ends up putting more people in danger than people saved."
I am still not convinced that you actually know what it is. Statistics and studies would contradict the f@#! out of that ^ statement.
"Now tell me WHERE do you see that I wrote they should all die?"
Only if you tell me where I accused you of saying that. Fine.
"At the end of the day Shyguy just doesn't like the fact I feel this way, and he is trying to twist my words as if I have said things I haven't f@#!ing said, THAT is why I call him stupid and why i'm annoyed..."
That is bullshit, I haven't twisted any words! You are the one saying I accused you of wanting innocent people to be hung... Seriously, anyone reading this topic can see you are the arrogant one throwing accusations around!
You said criminals deserve no sympathy and you want to return hangings for those guilty of terrible crimes... I understand that... I came in telling you why hangings would be ridiculous and how a restorative justice system can turn the lives around of those you think we should show no sympathy towards... That is what I did... I think it is you who is pissed because I contradicted you with cold hard facts and logic.
Don't call me arrogant, you sound super arrogant here. A lot of cities in the US are filled with homes where kids grow up with a drug addicted mom, dad in prison, etc... you just don't know what it is like for those people, we can't just say "oh well they committed the crime so f@#! them..." Restorative justice gives these people with totally shitty lives a chance to turn around, and IT HAS PROVEN TO WORK.
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I didn't read the whole topic.
But Komo, until you know why someone goes to jail, you can't tell he's bad.
PS: Avi, when you tell us your storys, you sound fun & sweet.
But the thing is all you're doing here is: flaming, flooding and lying.
How do you want people to trust in you after that ?
When I played with you, you acted greatly.
But there, on the forum, I would sometimes like to shoot you in the head (but well, don't take it too seriously, I just hate humans).
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jajajaja nino, he didnt steal a cap, HAHAHAHAHAH, <3 (1st <3)
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Shy, you are not getting my point.
A "Homie" grew up with a drug addicted mum and a drunk-abusive father, this is NO reason for them to commit murder, if they commit murder they are worse than their parents, and should not be rewarded for it, I don't care how bad someones life is, NOTHING should make you want to kill someone for no reason, murder is the worst thing you can possibly do, unless you torture 1st.
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Yeah, and if Avi was going to jail for stealing a cap do you really think he'd admit it here!
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are we all drunk tonight?
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Komo,
Would you have sympathy for a 15 year old child who steals a loaf of bread because their drug addicted parents neglected them and didn't feed them properly?
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I wouldn't have sympathy for the crime, but I would have sympathy for them being unlucky to be raised in such a family and if possible I would offer help just by being a friend, i'd have sympathy for them not being able to experience amazing love and cherish family orientated experiences.
The child could always call for help, seek foster homing, they have helplines and stuff for situations like this.
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bit drunk took me fukin ages to read this topic
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Happy birthday dibz :)
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End of day you have your opinion and I have mine, let's agree to disagree and never talk about this again? Sorry mate...
Sure thing... I posted my last message without reading that ^ so I wasn't trying to violently defy you there
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I wouldn't have sympathy for the crime, but I would have sympathy for them....
ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed
The big nature nurture debate has raged for decades. Are people born to be a certain way or are they a product of their upbringing?
I think it's generally accepted that an individual's personality, attitudes, beliefs, behaviour and moral codes are shaped by their experiences and their environment. Obviously every human being is partly responsible for their own actions, but it is also true that every parent has a responsibility to raise their child in a way that promotes good morals.
If the parents raise their child very poorly in a disfunctional environment surrounded by crime and violence then chances are the kid's gonna grow up to be a tearaway.
I think Shyguy is acknowledging that people are sometimes led down bad paths in life which are not necessarily their fault and so help should be provided even if they commit crimes.
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I once stole a 6-pack of ICECREAM and some basketballcards at a shop! :D And i didnt get caught for it! And the icecream made my day much better, and i got a few cards i lacked in my collection, and now i have a full NBA 95-96 Basketballcard COllection! Ill ebay it in 20 years or so! :D
Morale is ; CRIME PAYS! :D
ok joke's aside, was quite interesting reading all this, i like some discussions beyond ballshaving and AVI going 2 prison for showing his nuts in public. Dont get me wrong Avi, i enjoy those 2, just not at the same intellectual level! :D
edit: when i think of it.. didnt this discussion start with Avi going 2 prison for showing his nuts in public? Oo
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I wouldn't have sympathy for the crime, but I would have sympathy for them....
ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed
Like I said before, you are linking 2 quotes thats really have nothing to do with each other, this is just false interpretation...
I'd still think she is a criminal, and deserves no sympathy for that, but I have morals, and feelings like everyone else, i'd feel sympathy for her life, not her crime, I hope you can understand the difference...
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I wouldn't have sympathy for the crime, but I would have sympathy for them....
ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed
Like I said before, you are linking 2 quotes thats really have nothing to do with each other, this is just false interpretation...
I'd still think she is a criminal, and deserves no sympathy for that, but I have morals, and feelings like everyone else, i'd feel sympathy for her life, not her crime, I hope you can understand the difference...
You made a blanket statement about your feelings towards criminals. You mentioned degrees of crime but you made it perfectly clear that you have no sympathy for criminals under any circumstances. I hope you agree with that.
Then when I gave you a scenario which was a little bit more complicated you had no choice but to back away from your original position and move a little bit further toward a middle ground.
I didn't think it was a false interpretation.
What's the big deal anyway? Can't you say something and then change your position slightly upon further consideration? It's not a sign of weakness nor stupidity to do so.
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I didn't read the whole topic.
But Komo, until you know why someone goes to jail, you can't tell he's bad.
PS: Avi, when you tell us your storys, you sound fun & sweet.
But the thing is all you're doing here is: flaming, flooding and lying.
How do you want people to trust in you after that ?
When I played with you, you acted greatly.
But there, on the forum, I would sometimes like to shoot you in the head (but well, don't take it too seriously, I just hate humans).
huh? when did i flame here? and when did i flood here?.... and please, tell me when i lied? lol... there is one thing i dont do, and that is lie.... what r u talking about dude??
and yes, i agree, im pretty ncie in game, and sometimes i can be a complete jackass on forums, i agree 100%...
i dont mean to be, and when i am, at least i know that i am, like in the w2roper thread (that i think ur refering to) and i have apologized many times for that.. lol
but.. dont say i lie?.. lol.. wtf... where did that come from?
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lmfao avi, just give back the cap and shoes and close this thread :-X
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You made a blanket statement about your feelings towards criminals. You mentioned degrees of crime but you made it perfectly clear that you have no sympathy for criminals under any circumstances. I hope you agree with that.
Then when I gave you a scenario which was a little bit more complicated you had no choice but to back away from your original position and move a little bit further toward a middle ground.
I didn't back away from my original position, I still said I have no sympathy for her committing the crime... Can't you read mate? I would still have sympathy for her life, I would still think she's a criminal and should have no sympathy for the crime she committed...
I must also point out, if I caught this person stealing, I wouldn't tell on her, i'd keep it to myself, she obviously has to do what she wants to survive, but it doesn't make it right does it?
What's the big deal anyway? Can't you say something and then change your position slightly upon further consideration? It's not a sign of weakness nor stupidity to do so.
I didn't change my opinion though...
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its just so obvious komo loves debate.... no matter what thread, what topic, what person, what time, what, what, what, what, what... komo is right there to argue a point.. lol
he is a very passionate man, and even when he knows hes wrong, he will fight tooth and nail...
think of komo as your spouse in a long term relationship... no matter what u say, they will fight with you, and they are always right.. sometimes u just have to agree, and give them sex to make them shut up..
so komo, ur right.. now bend over bitch.
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its just so obvious komo loves debate.... no matter what thread, what topic, what person, what time, what, what, what, what, what... komo is right there to argue a point.. lol
he is a very passionate man, and even when he knows hes wrong, he will fight tooth and nail...
avi, this isn't really anything to do with right or wrong, it's about opinions, how the hell can I be wrong when millions upon millions of people agree with both me and shyguy?
There is enough evidence in the world to fully support BOTH sides of this arguement, in the end it comes down to an individuals own judgement and opinions.
You're the one going to jail, not me, I can't believe half the crap you come out with, it's funny though lol.
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You made a blanket statement about your feelings towards criminals. You mentioned degrees of crime but you made it perfectly clear that you have no sympathy for criminals under any circumstances. I hope you agree with that.
Then when I gave you a scenario which was a little bit more complicated you had no choice but to back away from your original position and move a little bit further toward a middle ground.
I didn't back away from my original position, I still said I have no sympathy for her committing the crime... Can't you read mate? I would still have sympathy for her life, I would still think she's a criminal and should have no sympathy for the crime she committed...
I must also point out, if I caught this person stealing, I wouldn't tell on her, i'd keep it to myself, she obviously has to do what she wants to survive, but it doesn't make it right does it?
What's the big deal anyway? Can't you say something and then change your position slightly upon further consideration? It's not a sign of weakness nor stupidity to do so.
I didn't change my opinion though...
I don't understand quite what having 'no sympathy for the crime' means. You also say that you would have sympathy for her life. Isn't that basically saying that you'd have sympathy for her and as she is the criminal you are contradicting your statement below. It's also not really possible to have sympathy for a crime, it doesn't make much sense.
You originally said "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".
Now you are saying that you'll have sympathy for her life, but not the crime.
Conversations like this are about give and take. You seem more focused on protecting your position than engaging in a reasoned discussion about this controversial topic.
You came out guns blazing with a dead set view and an extreme view at that. You bolded your words to stress the point that NO sympathy would be given to criminals whatsoever, no matter what crime has been committed.
Now you are redefining your position, separating the person and the crime and admitting that it's possible for you to sympathise with one and not the other. It's fairly meaningless to do so and I think that the only reason you are doing this is because it means you can avoid having to retract your previous statements.
Taking such an extreme stance on this topic was perhaps a bit hasty on your part. The issue of crime, ethics, morality, capital punishment etc. We couldn't really of picked a more complicated issue to try and tackle in this forum.
We're dwelling on this one point.
If you're now saying that the person's 'life' would warrant sympathy then can you admit that the below statement you made earlier deserves to be either retracted or modified?
"ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed"
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Cue, why can't you just understand that to ME these things are different?
Avi's going to jail, he won't say why so I can't really have an opinion on it, but i've known him for a long time and I like him, no matter what he done to get jail, it must have been something, no matter what it is, I don't have any sympathy for him for his current situation, although I have sympathy for other things that have happened to him and I still have a deal of respect for him.
I've done some bad things in my life, but nothing worthy of death in my opinion, I feel i've generally done alot more good and helped alot more people than i've done bad, I still hate myself for the bad things i've done, but I am proud of myself for the good things i've done, if I killed someone, I would accept the consequences, even if that meant death, and I really mean that, I wouldn't think I deserve rehabilitation or "restorative justice".
Of course I am trying to protect my position, by trying to make you understand my opinions, and i'll debate until you do, even if you don't agree with them, but as long as you understand where i'm coming from.
Having sympathy for someone's innocent life, and having NO sympathy for their guilty life, are 2 different things in my eyes, I would still look down on "her" for stealing, just like I looked down on myself for things i've done.
You said this: "Now you are redefining your position, separating the person and the crime"
And I can only say this, I never put the 2 together in the 1st place did I.
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bad idea avi to stole those shoes and cap :-X
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Cue, why can't you just understand that to ME these things are different?
Avi's going to jail, he won't say why so I can't really have an opinion on it, but i've known him for a long time and I like him, no matter what he done to get jail, it must have been something, no matter what it is, I don't have any sympathy for him for his current situation, although I have sympathy for other things that have happened to him and I still have a deal of respect for him.
I've done some bad things in my life, but nothing worthy of death in my opinion, I feel i've generally done alot more good and helped alot more people than i've done bad, I still hate myself for the bad things i've done, but I am proud of myself for the good things i've done, if I killed someone, I would accept the consequences, even if that meant death, and I really mean that, I wouldn't think I deserve rehabilitation or "restorative justice".
Of course I am trying to protect my position, by trying to make you understand my opinions, and i'll debate until you do, even if you don't agree with them, but as long as you understand where i'm coming from.
Having sympathy for someone's innocent life, and having NO sympathy for their guilty life, are 2 different things in my eyes, I would still look down on "her" for stealing, just like I looked down on myself for things i've done.
You said this: "Now you are redefining your position, separating the person and the crime"
And I can only say this, I never put the 2 together in the 1st place did I.
Fair enough.
It was stupid to get hung up on that one point.
I just want you to concede the point that you could have been more specific about your view point and that you didn't really mean that "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".
You have redefined your position because you've broken it down and been more specific.
The reason I can't understand that to you these things are different is because you didn't explain it like that in the first place. Instead you said "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed". This clearly isn't your position.
We got there in the end! :<
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TOP5 thread ever.
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f@#! the system!!! its all about money and it poison people`s minds so they cant control their urges and it makes our world hell alike =/
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hahahah this thread is great, yah!!
komo, i still say ur like a long term spouse...
u would argue if the chicken is too salty, or too much pepper! lol.
so which is it komo? serious... salt or pepper? :D
and damnit, why did i have to steal those shoes and cap! :( im going to return them right now!! hahahahahah nino f@#!er!!
i think after this thread i have been rehabilitated, i dont need jail... i think any judge will agree, i will link him here. :-*
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i really hope you learnt and dont do it again, not nice to steal shoes and cap :-X
lmfao btw, remember the cap u were sending me? still w8ing lol, but please dont send the stolen pleaseee, i dont want troubles with police hauhauha
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I think that when it comes to Justice things ain't so simple and each example (defendant) should be treated on it's own way. You just cannot generalize those things. Each and every person are different and very often each "crime" is different.
Who is the Judge and what are the laws?! Who determine that? Each country for itself. But I'd say some laws are crime by itself. I'd say there are many Judges that are bigger criminals than the ones they judge. Usually it's all a matter of powerful people that defend their interests in each of our countries. In some countries some things are considered as a crime while in other they are legal. So what is left? Gods 10 Commandments? Huuh, they are tricky too, again it's not all so simply..
I know a guy that used to go to some wealthy country (Swiss i.e.) and commit some "crime" (steal something or hit the police officer) and he would go to jail (on purpose) to serve his time because they have monthly payments there! He would save those money (for 6 months i.e) which is huge amount (comparing to payments here) and come back with that money in his pocket to feed his family!! It was back in '90s when average payment here (in Serbia) was 5 DEM (Deutsch Marks) which is about 3 Euros (can U believe that?;x)
Would you say that Robin Hood was a criminal? Yes, cause he was stealing and doing things against the law, but in fact is he? As the story explains he's not, he's a hero in fact. Laws are often there to protect powerful people, so what is Justice really?
As 2Pac said "only God can judge me".. ;x
There's a good movie about justice and death penalty subject. It's one of my favorite movies (in my Top 20 at least).. It's called "Dead Man Walking" with Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon in main rolls. "The film is not pro-capital punishment, or anti. It simply shows all sides, and allows you to conclude what you want to."
Suggest ya to see it if ya haven't..
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Indeed, it's not that simple at all.
A crime in one country might not be a crime in another country, so having a set rule like ""ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed" is not a feasible stance to take. As we've found out.
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good words cue but when we dig more into it we can find out that all this is just one big bullshit, these courts, rights are only to confuse people lol, they can sentence u into jail for nothing!!!!! but the real criminals will never have any probles with them!!!! WTF?!!?!?!?! i dont harm anybody and im f@#!ing recidivist, i commit a crime everyday so many ppl would like me to be in closed separated place only because i like to smoke a plant :O and f@#!ers which have power (mofos running the countries) can do whatever the f@#! they want and kill many ppl without any suffer coz of that so plz tell me: WHAT THE f@#! IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD!?!?!??!
i`ll tell u what is wrong: ppl are f@#!en stupid!!!@#!@#!@ and thats the coz of all f@#!ing problems, they are just too f@#!en stupid to even try figure this out how f@#!en stupid they are lolololol
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huh? when did i flame here? and when did i flood here?.... and please, tell me when i lied? lol... there is one thing i dont do, and that is lie.... what r u talking about dude??
When I say "here", I mean "on the forum".
Flood: You know why I say this.
Flames: You sometimes do towards some people.
Lying: You did in your "good bye" post (which was a "joke", but was looking more like a lie).
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good words cue but when we dig more into it we can find out that all this is just one big bullshit, these courts, rights are only to confuse people lol, they can sentence u into jail for nothing!!!!! but the real criminals will never have any probles with them!!!! WTF?!!?!?!?! i dont harm anybody and im f@#!ing recidivist, i commit a crime everyday so many ppl would like me to be in closed separated place only because i like to smoke a plant :O and f@#!ers which have power (mofos running the countries) can do whatever the f@#! they want and kill many ppl without any suffer coz of that so plz tell me: WHAT THE f@#! IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD!?!?!??!
i`ll tell u what is wrong: ppl are f@#!en stupid!!!@#!@#!@ and thats the coz of all f@#!ing problems, they are just too f@#!en stupid to even try figure this out how f@#!en stupid they are lolololol
Exactly.
In some countries it is illegal to be gay. And in some countries it is illegal not to pray for at least 5 hours a day or whatever. Some countries allow you to smoke the herb and some don't.
So what actually is a crime? Oo
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I just want you to concede the point that you could have been more specific about your view point and that you didn't really mean that "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".
You have redefined your position because you've broken it down and been more specific.
I did not redefine my position at all, in the end I said the exact same thing I said in the beginning, that criminals deserve NO sympathy at all no matter WHAT the crime, the "girls" life is NOT a crime, but the crime she committed is, I have no sympathy for her being a criminal, I would as a person if I understood her life, even knowing about her life i'd still not have sympathy for the crime she committed, so how the hell am I going back on what I said?
The fact is you just can't understand my opinion.
I know what you are trying to get it, because I said "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed" you automatically assume that I associate that with everything else they have ever done, why would you do that?
I never redefined anything, I just explained more in depth when I needed to.
Jeff - always salt :)
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I just want you to concede the point that you could have been more specific about your view point and that you didn't really mean that "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed".
You have redefined your position because you've broken it down and been more specific.
I did not redefine my position at all, in the end I said the exact same thing I said in the beginning, that criminals deserve NO sympathy at all no matter WHAT the crime, the "girls" life is NOT a crime, but the crime she committed is, I have no sympathy for her being a criminal, I would as a person if I understood her life, even knowing about her life i'd still not have sympathy for the crime she committed, so how the hell am I going back on what I said?
The fact is you just can't understand my opinion.
I know what you are trying to get it, because I said "ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed" you automatically assume that I associate that with everything else they have ever done, why would you do that?
I never redefined anything, I just explained more in depth when I needed to.
Jeff - always salt :)
You said you'd have no sympathy for a criminal, then you said you'd have sympathy for a criminal under certain circumstances, i.e when the crime was due to maltreatment by her parents.
Sorry if I didn't understand what you meant. Also I don't remember my hypothetical situation being a girl or a boy but doesn't matter.
None of this matters.
You're a stubborn one Komo but I always enjoy these exchanges. Keeps me off the streets.
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You said you'd have no sympathy for a criminal, then you said you'd have sympathy for a criminal under certain circumstances, i.e when the crime was due to maltreatment by her parents.
Sorry if I didn't understand what you meant. Also I don't remember my hypothetical situation being a girl or a boy but doesn't matter.
None of this matters.
You're a stubborn one Komo but I always enjoy these exchanges. Keeps me off the streets.
No, I did not say I have sympathy for the criminal, I said i'd have sympathy for what's happened to them in their life, I would still want them punished to the full extent of the law, this still does not mean I have sympathy for them as a criminal, like I said, it's 2 different things for me and I never put them together in the 1st place, you just assumed this lol.
To me it's like, a persons private life and their work life are 2 seperate things, their sex life and their personal life are 2 different things and should not be thought of as the same, or be judged if they are a great person, but suck at their job, or if they are very very dirty in their sex life, but so innocent as a person, to me the same goes as having a criminal life, and for example their childhood, it's completely different matter of time, which is why I said i'd have no sympathy for them no matter what the crime, even if it was the nicest guy in the world, and like, they he had a kid, and some adult junkie mugged the kid, beat the kid up bad, broke some bones, and the guy set out, and murdered the guy in cold blood, now, while I understand why the guy would do this, and i'd sympathise for his kid, i'd still think he deserves the death penelty for murdering in cold blood, because at the end of the day, his kid survived, bones and flesh heal, but you can't come back from the dead can you?
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sometimes you need to think alot b4 do something, look, avi was just trying to look cool with a new cap and shoes and we have a big discursion cos that :-X
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...even if it was the nicest guy in the world, and like, they he had a kid, and some adult junkie mugged the kid, beat the kid up bad, broke some bones, and the guy set out, and murdered the guy in cold blood, now, while I understand why the guy would do this, and i'd sympathise for his kid, i'd still think he deserves the death penelty for murdering in cold blood, because at the end of the day, his kid survived, bones and flesh heal, but you can't come back from the dead can you?
Wooah man, wait a minute there! That example that U gave is not a "cold blood" murder, it's very "hot blood" murder in fact! "Cold blood" murder is (in example) when U kill a guy to get his wallet (with 200 Euros inside) and after that U go and buy some dope and enjoy your Big Mac in near by McDonalds..
It's just not that simple, U can't just judge to death penalties everyone that have commit a murder because not all murders are the same, it all depends out of circumstances! Lets take your example with junkie, what if that junkie had a knife with him? Anyone that knows any heroin junkie knows that usually those bastards would "sell their mothers" for money/dope, and that they are ready to stab anyone cold blooded for money/dope. So, a guy shows up seeing that junkie is beating the hell out of his kid, he attacks him of course (to protect his kid) and the junkie pulls out his knife.. A guy gets near by stone and hits the junkie in his head (from which wounds he dies).. And you say justice would be death penalty for a guy that protected his kid and himself?? What else should the guy do?! Wait steady for junkie to stab him? Call 911?
Justice are just not so simple. Every case is for itself. I think that it's impossible to generalize those things like that.. ;x
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Yeah, murder in self-defence. Should that deserve the death penalty?
What about accidental murder in response to extreme provocation? Should that deserve the death penalty?
What about if you drive carelessly and have an accident which kills your passengers or a passer by in the street? Would that be murder and deserve the death penalty?
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Doesn't murder mean that it involved planning? ??? Otherwise, it would be manslaughter, which is punished less severely than murder.
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Murder in self-defense really really depends on the circumstance, like, if the guy was just going to hit him around a bit, and he murdered him accidentally, I knew a guy who told me his mate got into a fight, punched the guy, he fell back hit his head off the kurb and died, he got jail for 4 years, weirdly enough the exact same thing happened again when he got out, he got in a fight punched the guy he fell back hit his head off the ground and died, even video evidence proved this was just an accident, both times, the guy got jail for 12 years the next time, as far as i'm aware he's still serving his sentence, I still have no sympathy for him, although I think it's extremely unlucky.
It's part of life, you do things and have to accept the consequences that could possibly happen, have a family, something bad could happen to them, get into a fight and by some extreme luck, they die and you go to jail... I know it's not fair, but thats what life is like sometimes, we gotta make the best of it, share the best moments we can with our loved ones while we can before the inevitable happens.
And like I explained to Ramone in a game, the example I gave, the kids son didn't die, so to me it's still murder in cold blood, if the guy killed his son, and he done it, then i'd call it retaliation of extreme circumstances, i'd still not have sympathy for the crime he commits, but i'd have sympathy for his lost son.
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Komo what if your girlfriend got into a situation like that and without any provocation was assulted. If she then hit the person who was attacking her, and he/she fell and hit their head on a broken bottle and died as a result of the injury and your gf was sentenced to 4 years in jail, would you have no sympathy for her? Would you campaign and appeal to have the sentence lifted, or would you just accept it and move on?
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Imagine if the 11 years old kid who avi stolen shoes and cap had a gun? would be much worst and the kid would be killing in self-defense
so it is better do nothing sometimes :-X
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Komo what if your girlfriend got into a situation like that and without any provocation was assulted. If she then hit the person who was attacking her, and he/she fell and hit their head on a broken bottle and died as a result of the injury and your gf was sentenced to 4 years in jail, would you have no sympathy for her? Would you campaign and appeal to have the sentence lifted, or would you just accept it and move on?
I'd have to accept it.
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Komo what if your girlfriend got into a situation like that and without any provocation was assulted. If she then hit the person who was attacking her, and he/she fell and hit their head on a broken bottle and died as a result of the injury and your gf was sentenced to 4 years in jail, would you have no sympathy for her? Would you campaign and appeal to have the sentence lifted, or would you just accept it and move on?
"ALL CRIMINALS deserve NO sympathy whatsoever, no matter what the crime they committed"
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I'd have to accept it.
Can't you just admit you'd give her sympathy or are you really that proud?
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And like I explained to Ramone in a game, the example I gave, the kids son didn't die, so to me it's still murder in cold blood, if the guy killed his son, and he done it, then i'd call it retaliation of extreme circumstances, i'd still not have sympathy for the crime he commits, but i'd have sympathy for his lost son.
You can call it anyhow but it is not a murder in cold blood. A fact if a son dies after or not is not making any difference about it. A father did not attack in cold blood, but with strongest reason. In that moment a father could not even know if the son will die or not, and it's anything but a crime, even if his son is not dead. Crime is what that junkie did, beating a kid and pulling out his knife on father. A thing that a father did is not a crime but instinctive self-defense, seeing a threat to it's child, it's a nature law, a primal instinct, not a cold blood murder! I think anyone normal would do the same..
This points to a simple fact that not all homicides are the same and that U cannot generalize murders like that. In other words, U cannot say that every murder deserves death penalty. There are DIFFERENCE between Charlie Manson murders and a murder of this example with a father, son and a junkie..
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Can't you just admit you'd give her sympathy or are you really that proud?
Will you just f@#!ing drop it already ok, I have my opinions on things so just leave it at that.
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Can't you just admit you'd give her sympathy or are you really that proud?
Will you just f@#!ing drop it already ok, I have my opinions on things so just leave it at that.
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Well, you ALL keep coming up with stupid obsurd questions to try and make me change my opinion, it's ridiculous...
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nah , everyone is trying to show u that u are wrong and u are still living in a cave ...
but yes , u are so proud ... stupid thing
hf
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nah , everyone is trying to show u that u are wrong and u are still living in a cave ...
but yes , u are so proud ... stupid thing
Dude, how the hell can an opinion be wrong? Thats what an OPINION is...
I didn't know you created the universe and made all the rules and laws and what is wrong and right, don't be so ignorant.
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I didn't know you created the universe and made all the rules and laws and what is wrong and right, don't be so ignorant.
well , now u know i did :) caveman
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Well, you ALL keep coming up with stupid obsurd questions to try and make me change my opinion, it's ridiculous...
Taking away the words 'stupid' and 'absurd 'you have pretty much defined what a debate is.
Coming up with questions to try and change your opponents mind is what debate is all about. Or I guess to be more precise, a debate is when you propose arguments for a particular view point and your opponent does the same back.
You love to get stuck right in there with an extreme view but when your extreme view is countered by some decent opposing views you get frustrated!
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No, I am getting frustrated because we've debated this long enough, i've answered all the questions, pretty much pointed out EXACTLY how I feel about this kind of thing, and yet you STILL continue to oppose me instead of just agreeing to disagree, you say you even now understand what I am saying and how I feel about this kind of thing, and you feel you MUST try to change my mind, debate all you want but saying I am WRONG is wrong...
All i've done is defend my opinion, I haven't even tried to attack yours...
I don't mind, if you ask me my opinion, and even then ask WHY I have that opinion, but telling me I am wrong just isn't right...
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No, I am getting frustrated because we've debated this long enough, i've answered all the questions, pretty much pointed out EXACTLY how I feel about this kind of thing, and yet you STILL continue to oppose me instead of just agreeing to disagree, you say you even now understand what I am saying and how I feel about this kind of thing, and you feel you MUST try to change my mind, debate all you want but saying I am WRONG is wrong...
All i've done is defend my opinion, I haven't even tried to attack yours...
I don't mind, if you ask me my opinion, and even then ask WHY I have that opinion, but telling me I am wrong just isn't right...
You could have agreed to disagree with me at any point as well. But we responded in turn up until very recently.
The only reason I've opposed your viewpoint is that I wholeheartedly disagree with it, which again is what debate is all about. It's very cheeky to play the "it's my opinion so how can it be wrong" card. Tsk Tsk.
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... but telling me I am wrong just isn't right...
LOL! That's what all is about! Wtf is with U acting like insulted teenage girl? XD
No one here told U that your opinions are stupid, idiotic or absurd, while U have told that to others several times!
All i've done is defend my opinion, I haven't even tried to attack yours...
But U did! Saying to someone that his opinion/question is stupid and absurd is even more attacking than saying to someone that his opinion is wrong! It's even insulting! ;x
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Cue, if you disagree with it thats fine, but can't you even see what you are doing? It is similar to someone preaching their religious beliefs onto a non-believer IMO.
Ramone, I'd rather someone call my beliefs stupid, than say they are wrong, to ME it's more offensive being called wrong, I can understand someone saying I am stupid, because they obviously have a different opinion, but at least it shows slightly that they understand my point of view, even if they don't like it, but calling someone's OPINION to be wrong is outright disrespectful because to me it shows they think their own opinion exceeds above anyone elses and they are 100% right.
And Cue, I am not "playing any card" if in your opinion BnG sucked and in mine BnG owned, neither of us are right or wrong, it's just an opinion, and each other should respect it, i'd think you are stupid for not liking it because I practically live by BnG, and you almost live by RR and could think I am stupid for liking BnG, and that would be fine, if we both accepted neither of us are right or wrong and are entitled to our own opinion.
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Cue, if you disagree with it thats fine, but can't you even see what you are doing? It is similar to someone preaching their religious beliefs onto a non-believer IMO.
Ramone, I'd rather someone call my beliefs stupid, than say they are wrong, to ME it's more offensive being called wrong, I can understand someone saying I am stupid, because they obviously have a different opinion, but at least it shows slightly that they understand my point of view, even if they don't like it, but calling someone's OPINION to be wrong is outright disrespectful because to me it shows they think their own opinion exceeds above anyone elses and they are 100% right.
And Cue, I am not "playing any card" if in your opinion BnG sucked and in mine BnG owned, neither of us are right or wrong, it's just an opinion, and each other should respect it, i'd think you are stupid for not liking it because I practically live by BnG, and you almost live by RR and could think I am stupid for liking BnG, and that would be fine, if we both accepted neither of us are right or wrong and are entitled to our own opinion.
Dude, you knowingly engaged in a debate about crime and punishment. You put forth your opinions and viewpoints. We both did. It was a mutual decision and at any point we can stop posting. I don't see how you can really compare it to religious preaching.
It's like me going into a church and then getting annoyed when a vicar comes up to me and starts talking about god.
To answer your other point. I respect your opinion on crime and punishment, but I also disagree with it, hence 9 pages of debate. I don't disagree with any of your life choices including your favorite game scheme. These things are personal preferences which we all have, they are individual to us.
I'm not quite sure where you're going with that comparison.
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omfg, ok.. ill give the f@#!ing kid his shoes and cap back!! damn!
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And I don't see how you can't see the comparison, i've already shared my opinions and beliefs on this matter, and you continously take forever to think of reasons to go against that, everything I type is instinctive and off the top of my head, I don't need to think about it, I coulds spent almost half an hour on 2 minutes of typing too just to try and make YOUR points seem as flawed as possible also, but I am not, because I just want to get my point across in a way you understand without challenging it in a way that seems you NEED to make me change my mind, and although now you are agreeing on this, at 1st you didn't at first you and nail were asking me questions in a subtle way to try and make me go against my own word, I am not stupid and will NOT fall for this kind of attitude in a debate.
Oh and if you are not taking forever to type, fair enough, but it looks that way, so apologies in advance if I got it wrong.
We all know each others opinions now so i'll try and stop posting about this now, good luck Jeff, I hope all goes well.
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komo, i dont think they were trying to trick u, or make u "fall" for anything...
i think they were possibly just giving u things to think about, maybe see things in a different point of view... but i just think ur too stubborn ;) thats just how u r tho.. we love u for it.
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komo, i dont think they were trying to trick u, or make u "fall" for anything...
How do you know that, theres nothing you could do or they could do to prove that, everyone can lie and everyone can be manipulative.
i think they were possibly just giving u things to think about, maybe see things in a different point of view... but i just think ur too stubborn ;) thats just how u r tho.. we love u for it.
I would believe that, if more or less everyone hadn't tried to quote me in a way that made me look like I was contradicting myself when I wasn't.
It certainly looks like it, because I feel passionate about alot of thing, and debate longer than anyone else does to get my point across, and sometimes say things in harsh ways to do so, I call that confidence and passion, you know for a fact I admit when I wrong, and apologise when I feel I have done something wrong, or said something out of place because I generally feel guilty or sorry for it, like I apologised to Shyguy in this very thread for calling him stupid and whatnot, even though I still stand by my views and opinions, I took it too far by saying that to him.
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calling somone stupid can really hurt their feelings komo.. shame on you ! :-*
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calling somone stupid can really hurt their feelings komo.. shame on you ! :-*
Tough luck for them then, they should be man enough to be able to handle a little name calling lol.
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Verbal assault is actually a crime. I've got absolutely no sympathy for you Komo.
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its funny u mention that.... that is actually what my first arrest was for.. hahahahahah so yeah, komo.. no sympathy from me either, u f@#!ing criminal
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Lol, Cue, although I have no sympathy for any crime, there ARE crimes I think are f@#!ing stupid lol.
Theres a difference between calling someone stupid, and for example being totally and utterly racist or discriminate.
And Jeff lol, like I said, you gotta accept the consequences for your own actions :P Even if they are stupid lol.
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Ramone, I'd rather someone call my beliefs stupid, than say they are wrong, to ME it's more offensive being called wrong, I can understand someone saying I am stupid, because they obviously have a different opinion, but at least it shows slightly that they understand my point of view, even if they don't like it, but calling someone's OPINION to be wrong is outright disrespectful because to me it shows they think their own opinion exceeds above anyone elses and they are 100% right.
Ye U're right, your opinion is not wrong, it's just stupid! lol XD
I'd say a lots of things now, but I thought that it could be wrong.
So I don't wanna say stupid opinions cause of attitude! ;x
komo, i dont think they were trying to trick u, or make u "fall" for anything...
How do you know that, theres nothing you could do or they could do to prove that, everyone can lie and everyone can be manipulative.
Now U're not just being stupid but paranoid as well! ;x
And yes, as EVERYONE already told U, U're the most stubborn person ever existed on earth (as we know..) !! <3
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I'm just gonna laugh at you Ramone, LOL !
Oh and Ramone, you can say what you want to me, I don't take offense easily like practically everyone else here lol, I have a very very high tolerance towards insults and opinions.
If someone insults me, i'll just argue back and insult them back :)
If they debate politer, like Cueshark, I won't shout and swear at them.
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I'm just gonna laugh at you Ramone, LOL !
Is this good or bad? ???
Oh and Ramone, you can say what you want to me, I don't take offense easily like practically everyone else here lol, I have a very very high tolerance towards insults and opinions.
U do? But you've started a fuss about other opinions and brought a subject to a dead end..
Whatever, I'm off to sleep, cya other day! ;x
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It's good of course mate, i'd never say anything on purpose to make you feel out of place or angry, I was trying to prove a point lol.
And yeah Ramone, all conversations and debates must come to an end, just like life itself lol.
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hahah.. even ur b2b member thinks u act silly :D
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ahahhaha i love this thread
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Monkey island, i see u reading this topic... i have a question..
is it possible to make a feature that i will have a bit more control of this forum? like... can i give warnings, and bann people from my personal clan forum?? like, say i wanna warn komo... he will get the green dot only when he posts in the mm forum? and if he really piss me off, can i ban him?? if this feature is available.. please let me know.. im very serious about this, id like to ban komo for 1 day, so other people can have a say in this debate ;D
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hahah.. even ur b2b member thinks u act silly :D
And he thinks i've been acting silly on 1 single debate? He doesn't think I am silly as a whole person, do you know how many billions, no, uncountable issues people disagree on, and others think others are acting silly, while others think there is nothing wrong with the way they are acting?
Everyone here has done something stupid at some point, I don't continously talk trash about anyone who does though, i'll always fight for my beliefs though, no matter how many people oppose me or outnumber me.
Do you even realise that even still being challenged like this, by so many people here, I am still passionate about this debate, to take the flames, to take the bullshit from people, and still fight my case and never change my opinion, no matter what the consequences are, do you know how hard that is sometimes? No matter how many people on this forum disagree with my opinion on this? And I really don't care what any of you think because I know for a fact, there are bloody millions of people out there who share my opinion about this specific topic, at least I always say exactly what I think, and thats why some people really do respect me.
Yet you think I am being stubborn, you all do, I know I am not wrong about this, because there is no right or wrong about this very touchy subject, at least I can handle others opinions without calling them stubborn or wrong, and I know, even if there was only ONE person in the world, that agreed with me, knowing that there is actually alot more, at least I know I am not alone with my opinions on it, but you fail to realise this, you only care about the way people see you on this, you don't care about risking it all for the things you care about do you? I don't even know whether to believe you are going to bloody jail, I think you talk crap every day, talking about shaving your balls n shit just to look tough and cool, you're a story-topper, always have to be one step more out there than anyone else, and I know you don't care, that's the only thing i'll ever respect you for.
I take the piss out you, I challenge you, i've said things you that have pissed you off, and i've in some way made up for it, but i've never ever went out my way like you have now to try and make a mockery of you like this, i've always respected your opinion whether I disagree with it or not, i've known you for a long time, and you can act the big guy here all you want, but me and you both know we've had conversations where we've told each other shit no one else will hear about, and you turn round and disrespect me like this? Well thanks alot lol...
Just ban me from this forum permanently if you want, I just don't care anymore, I really don't.
I refuse to believe there isn't at least ONE person on WA who doesn't agree with me on this, whether they just ain't got the guts to admit it or not.
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hahah komo... it was obviously just a joke.... lmfao.. think i would ban u from this forum? f@#! no, then i would no be able to lol as much as i have been...
and did u really just say i talk about shaving my balls to be tough and cool? hahahahahahahhahahahahahah
theres no way i will ban u from mm forum, thats too funny :D
and i dont care if u believe im going to jail or not, haha dont care if anyone believes it lol.. dont believe it for all i give a shit.. get back to ur passionate debate now, so i can lol some more babygirl.
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You said "im very serious"
And considering our recent elites and roper, yeh, I think you would :S
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kiss and make out
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And Cue, I am not "playing any card" if in your opinion BnG sucked and in mine BnG owned, neither of us are right or wrong, it's just an opinion, and each other should respect it, i'd think you are stupid for not liking it because I practically live by BnG, and you almost live by RR and could think I am stupid for liking BnG, and that would be fine, if we both accepted neither of us are right or wrong and are entitled to our own opinion.
Does my English suck this much? Isn't that called "taste"? What it has to do with "opinion"? you mean taste as an opinion at a very low level?
I'd rather someone call my beliefs stupid, than say they are wrong, to ME it's more offensive being called wrong, I can understand someone saying I am stupid, because they obviously have a different opinion, but at least it shows slightly that they understand my point of view, even if they don't like it, but calling someone's OPINION to be wrong is outright disrespectful because to me it shows they think their own opinion exceeds above anyone elses and they are 100% right.
Of course opinions exceed one from another! Opinions come from the images you have from the world. There were people who believed stars in the sky were actually nails that had hold the sky on top the earth. We learn to respect each others opinion, but opinions can be measured, but it doesn't mean we have to. People live with the opinions they feel most comfortable with.
It's easy to sit back and shoot opinions off in the air, as long as your opinion do not have any conflict with "your" real world and don't get your ass involved. There used to be religious wars because of opinions. You have your own very set of opinions about criminals and laws. The point is how would you feel/react if you were labeled as the criminal. That's when you can truly measure your opinions.
Since you call people idiot, stupid, arrogant f@#!, ignorant ... and in return you find being called "wrong" so insulting and disrespectful, the rest of my post is in your own language:
Cue actually tried something here. He tried to throw your own "theory" to yourself and you obviously couldn't handle it. (I know you did answer it perfectly, but the evil people always want to twist your words)
It has been a long time you do suger-coat, suger-think yourself in every way. If you rape a girl, your mind interpret it as it was the girl who drugged you, got you drunk and YOU were actually the victim there!
Here's an opinion for you:
Komo = ZiPpO's ego + Doubletime's emotional talks + Elite BnG skills
Now am I a moron? am I "wrong"?
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Well not really, the 1st 2 results of "opinion" on dictionary.com say this:
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
Lol at dictionary.com, can't even use proper grammer and it's a dictionary website...
So yeah, it would be Cue's opinion IF he thought BnG sucked, and my opinion if I think it's stupid that he doesn't like it...
As in you saying I couldn't "handle" Cue's theory, you couldn't be further from the truth, I did handle it, and I still stick by everything I said regarding that matter.
As with this:
"It has been a long time you do suger-quote, suger-think yourself in every way. If you rape a girl, your mind interpret it as it was the girl who drugged you, got you drunk and YOU were actually the victim there!"
I really really really do NOT know or understand what the hell you are talking about lol... Could you please try and rephrase it?
"Here's an opinion for you:
Komo = ZiPpO's ego + Doubletime's emotional talks + Elite BnG skills
Now am I a moron? am I "wrong"?"
I don't have zippo's ego, zippo's ego is mostly about his skills, and going about saying everyone is a noob, commenting on every game pointing out peoples mistakes, never accepting defeat, always trying to make excuses for losing, and alot more we all know about, I am confident and passionate on alot of things, I can't help being a very involved person, it's who I am.
I try my best to debate in a sensible fasion and when it comes to something I have beliefs as strong as this, sometimes I lose this plot and take it a bit far like when I called Shyguy a stupid arrogant f@#!, and I apologised for this, and accepted that I over-reacted.
But saying that, and theres proof on these forums, I have said more good things about people, and had more praise overall than I have said bad things, and done alot of good things for the community, the last few weeks on these forums have been rough indeed, other people provoke me as much as I provoke them, when people such as yourself debate with me, it seems politer because we can come to a disagreement without causing grief to each other unlike what happens with other people, it's not entirely my fault, it's just a conflict of beliefs, opinions and attitudes.
Doubletime is MUCH worse than me LOL ! So for that'd i'd call you both a moron AND wrong :P
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We're going off on a tangent. No point in doing this. Let me try and bring it back on track.
I think the point is Komo, and I'll say it again. Really simple.
1) You gave your opinion on this subject.
2) I disagreed with this opinion.
3) Myself and some other people asked you a few questions.
4) Your answers to these questions did not seem to fit exactly with (1)
5) The explanations as to why your answers to (3) did fit with (1) were also unconvincing.
Let's go back in time.
Cueshark - "Would have sympathy for a 15 year old child who stole a loaf of bread because their parents didn't feed them properly?"
Komo - "No, I'd have no sympathy for her because she is a criminal".
THAT would have fitted perfectly with your opinion on (1) and I would have just said, fair enough. That's your opinion etc.
But you didn't. You started saying that you would give sympathy for her life, not her crime and all that stuff which I think contradicted what you said at (1). You can argue all you want and get stressed. Your justification was not convincing.
I am always reluctant to imply I know the thoughts of others but I don't think your justifications were convincing to anyone reading this forum. This is your fault not ours.
:<
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So much care here. :D
All meaning is man-made, so basically there's no right or wrong.. which basically implies your all right and wrong, some more than others, depending on who's judging. :D
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i think what monkeyisland was getting at with the "sugar-coated" thing.. is exactly what shy said to u in a game...
all u ever do is make some silly little post, or statement, and when someone calls u out, u just try to add meaning to your statement, and then he called u a politician, lol. that was funny, cuz its true!! ur the forum diva komo!! at first i thought it was camperz, but now i see... its you!
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camperz??? haha :D
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Lol... Do u know what a diva is uber? Lmfaooo... Appearance wise.. Campz is a diva... But peronality wise komo is uber diva lmfao
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lmfao, i thought only madonna was a diva :-X
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Do you even realise that even still being challenged like this, by so many people here, I am still passionate about this debate, to take the flames, to take the bullshit from people, and still fight my case and never change my opinion, no matter what the consequences are, do you know how hard that is sometimes? No matter how many people on this forum disagree with my opinion on this? And I really don't care what any of you think because I know for a fact, there are bloody millions of people out there who share my opinion about this specific topic, at least I always say exactly what I think, and thats why some people really do respect me.
Komo, you should know that you have contradicted yourself countless times during this debate. You have added on to your stance so it makes it look like you haven't lost... like how you first said criminals deserve no sympathy, then the crime deserves no sympathy, then the person's life's sympathy is a whole other category, blah blah blah.... you made so many different categories and genres of sympathy... you are just bullshitting because you refuse to admit you were wrong from the start.
I think everyone who is still involved in this debate knows you have been contradicting yourself, making new statements, changing previous statements, and keep regressing. They are just politely trying to tell you that you are full of shit and too proud to admit you've made a fool of yourself. I learned this the hard way
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Yeah, that's funny cuz, i've even continued to say I stick by my original post, why can't you just let me have my opinion without coming up with all this stuff saying I am contradicting myself?
I will admit my very 1st statement "Criminals are scum, they are pathetic, they have NO REASON or deserve NO SYMPATHY whatsoever for their actions, no matter how little or how big the crime." was vague, I do see how you could THINK I am contradicting myself but I am not, I should have explained it more in-depth to begin with.
But I would hope Shyguy could relate to the fact I can seperate the sympathy for a crime and sympathy for whatever has happened to that persons life that has nothing to do with the crime, I don't see why they should be put together because a person's mental status can snap and change without them even having control, seeing as he believes in "restorative justice" because I am sure he wouldn't have sympathy for someone killing someone else, but would have sympathy to feel they deserve a 2nd chance.
You are the ones who can't let it go and can't accept the fact I have very very different views on this matter, even if you think they are harsh.
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I dont have any less respect for komo because of all this, but man, saying that you wouldnt have sympathy for your gf if she was sentenced for manslaughter even though SHE WAS THE VICTIM OF AN UNPROVOKED ATTACK, is just plain wrong! Of course you'd have sympathy for her... of course you would... you'd be FUMING WITH RAGE! Any person with a basic understanding of right and wrong, and the capability of distinguishing between MAN MADE LAWS (that in alot of cases benefit the the criminal more so than the victims of crime), would have ENORMOUS amounts of sympathy for people in these sorts of situations.
I dont just think its wrong of you (which it is) to say that you'd have no sympathy for your GIRLFRIEND if she got sent down due to being THE VICTIM OF AN UNPROVOKED ATTACK, FOR BEING IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME, I dont even BELIEVE you. OF COURSE YOU WOULD HAVE SYMPATHY FOR HER IF SHE HAPPENED TO BE THE TRAGIC VICTIM OF AN INJUSTICE IN THE LAW!
To clarify, being convicted of an apparent "crime", and being right and wrong, or good or bad, are completely seperate things. ANYONE who's working ok in the head would have sympathy for a loved one who was the victim of an unprovoked attack and got sent down for DEFENDING THEMSELVES!
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if i had a better english, i would join in that debate, oh well it is better i stop with if. :-X
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I dont have any less respect for komo because of all this, but man, saying that you wouldnt have sympathy for your gf if she was sentenced for manslaughter even though SHE WAS THE VICTIM OF AN UNPROVOKED ATTACK, is just plain wrong! Of course you'd have sympathy for her... of course you would... you'd be FUMING WITH RAGE! Any person with a basic understanding of right and wrong, and the capability of distinguishing between MAN MADE LAWS (that in alot of cases benefit the the criminal more so than the victims of crime), would have ENORMOUS amounts of sympathy for people in these sorts of situations.
I dont just think its wrong of you (which it is) to say that you'd have no sympathy for your GIRLFRIEND if she got sent down due to being THE VICTIM OF AN UNPROVOKED ATTACK, FOR BEING IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME, I dont even BELIEVE you. OF COURSE YOU WOULD HAVE SYMPATHY FOR HER IF SHE HAPPENED TO BE THE TRAGIC VICTIM OF AN INJUSTICE IN THE LAW!
To clarify, being convicted of an apparent "crime", and being right and wrong, or good or bad, are completely seperate things. ANYONE who's working ok in the head would have sympathy for a loved one who was the victim of an unprovoked attack and got sent down for DEFENDING THEMSELVES!
You are probably right Nail, certain things that happen could probably change my opinion, but, saying that, if she WAS innocent, then she hasn't committed a crime has she? That's the way I would choose to see it, whether I was right or wrong, I couldn't let myself see it any other way, do you understand what I mean, I chose not to answer this question before because I really do love her and want to spend the rest of my live with her, and I honestly don't know what I would do without her, we bounce off each other so much, right now she is the best thing I have in my life, of course I would be angry, and upset, and probably have other feelings I couldn't describe with simple words.
You can all say I am contradicting myself all you want, I really really don't care anymore, this is just the way I see it, the way I choose to see things and you all have no choice but to live with it.
If nails scenario was true, I would honestly not see her as committing a crime, I don't find "accidents" crime, I couldn't call someone who crashed a car and the passenger was killed a criminal unless they were drink/driving, but if it was an innocent accident, like myself and m3ntal a few years back, m3ntal almost got me and my brother killed when his car crashed, instead we were extremely lucky and all 3 of us walked out with minor injurys, if we had died, I wouldn't consider m3ntal a criminal because it was obviously an accident.
I am not contradicting myself, I just don't see accidents as crimes, so how could I see the people involved as criminals? Criminals to me ane people who commit crimes on purpose and don't have a valid reason for it, and I guess the valid reason would differ on who was judging them, I have my judgement and i'm sure you all have yours too.
I hope this explained things alot better for you Nail...
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I am not contradicting myself,
Yes, you are. The first time NAiL explained the scenario, the girl was clearly innocent and a victim of injustice, and you said you would have to accept it. Now that NAiL pointed out how insensitive of you that would be, you say you would not accept it. Not only do you constantly contradict yourself, you constantly refuse to admit you do by adding on meanings to what you meant in previous statement. Once again, you change your stance to fit your purpose... in this argument, and in every argument you have ever been in
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I am not contradicting myself,
Yes, you are. The first time NAiL explained the scenario, the girl was clearly innocent and a victim of injustice, and you said you would have to accept it. Now that NAiL pointed out how insensitive of you that would be, you change your mind and say you would not accept it. Once again, you change your stance to fit your purpose... in this argument, and in every argument you have ever been in
No, I just explained it more, because you are arrogant and childish, Nail doesn't say stuff like "you are contradicting yourself" "you are wrong" "you change your mind"
Nail is actually clever, and actually understands what I am saying.
Like i've said countless times before, you are making assumptions you can't even begin to understand because you don't see the world the way I do, you don't think the way I think, you can think it's wrong and stupid all you want.
Just because I said "I'd have to accept it"
That's only 5 words lol, how can you assume so much with 5 words? I didn't know you were psychic mate... Good stuff lol.
I've explained why I didn't go into detail before, I don't care if you understand that or not.
Shyguy, instead of focusing and wasting your time on trying to point out how I am contradicting myself (LOL as if) why don't you actually share your views and opinions on this matter, because it looks like you don't even care and your only arguement here is to argue with me...
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NAiL and the others are trying to be polite. I am fed up with all of your bullshit, so yes, I am going to call you out on it anytime I feel like making a fool out of you. I didn't read the 2nd half of your post... Let me assume again... I assume it just says muppet muppet muppet muppet muppet muppet muppet
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Yeah, just like I thought, you just want to argue for the sake of arguing lol, at least the rest of us are actually arguing and debating about something.
You are just being an angry little man lol
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I argued with you earlier in this thread... Now you are arguing with other people. You are pulling them same bullshit on them that you pulled on me. I'd just like to make people aware of that
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Am I now? Because I don't recall directly calling anyone else in this thread stupid, funny that, it's not my fault you hold a grudge lol, why don't you just ignore this thread as you have nothing of interest to actually share in it.
I am continuing my debate as politely and meaningful as I can, this thread actually means something to me, i've lost people in ways that reflect my view on criminals, you just want to argue with me and try and deceive me, it's not going to happen.
Mind your own business.
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muppet muppet muppet muppet muppet... lol.. komo ur so boring
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Yeah, and you're the most interesting funny all-star famous person in the world, no one disagrees with anything you say, you'd may as well be god.
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i can be funny and interesting yes... but people dissagree with me alot, the difference is i dont bicker back and forth with them like a muppet muppet muppet muppet...
and nah dude.... i cant be god, i dont wear sandels! haha
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lol komo is just contradicting himself again!! cos he said god doesnot exist and now he says it is avi, ae hippie avi!!! xD :-X
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no no, i cant be a hippie either... im a "tough guy" talking abou shaving my balls! lol
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ye but i follow ur teaching man, i mean, god :D
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i can be funny and interesting yes... but people dissagree with me alot, the difference is i dont bicker back and forth with them like a muppet muppet muppet muppet...
Funny, how you've been "bickering back and forth" like a "muppet muppet muppet muppet" with me for the last day...
Who's contradictive now then?
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but i only muppet muppet muppet muppet with you....
you muppet with EVERYBODY.... and the funny thing is, u think its everyone elses fault... haha ur a muppet!!
(http://www.freewebs.com/thehelppuppetteam/Muppets/Fozzy.png)
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But, funny thing is, this whole thread is YOUR fault cuz YOU started it lol.
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uhmmm... no... i simply told my clan my fate... and whats going on with my life, and i will be on a temporary vacation in january/feburary...
i did not start any arguement, that was you, fozzie
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I know you didn't start the arguement lol, never mind I don't think you get it.
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i guess i dont get it.... are u trying to say i started the big argument, or are u trying to say i started the thread...
because if u mean i started the thread... then ur right... good observation.
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Take a beer, hug, take another beer and leave it like that guys. Yes Ive had a few
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crazy, have a couple more beers so i can take advantage of you.
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I'm just waiting for nail to reply tbh.
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Everybody is missunderstanding you Komo (but you deserved it, since you used the wrong word ?).
Correct me I'm wrong:
You don't have simpathy towards a criminal (in fact, towards the crime himself, so does hit immediatly the criminal).
But you can have simpathy for a guy who commited a crime, but for some of his actions.
This just means you don't have simpathy for crimes and not criminals.
This sentence exacly suits with all your explanations: you can have simpathy to a criminal but you can't forgive his crime (whatever it is) and say he must be punished for what bad he does (even if you like him).
... Or you just have a different definition of "crimes", so involves different "criminals". But then, don't blame them for using a "world" definition. <.<
And there "a criminal" and "a guy who commited a crime" are differents, but you're wrong using both related words for different things. *.*
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but you're wrong using both related words for different things. *.*
No, i've already said it's my opinion so how can you, or anyone else say I am wrong?
If you all think I am contradicting myself, or going "against my own word" then whatever, I honestly think the simple matter of the fact is, because I always get involved in stuff like this, certain people haven't took the time to realise this:
My 1st statement, which is the one that got everyone going mad, instead of assuming what I meant, instead of making your own defination of exactly what I am thinking in my head when I said that, you ALL should have just simply asked "Can you please define that statement in-depth" and if I tried to explain it and you still didn't understand, you should have asked for another explanation.
It seems most people, especially Shyguy, isn't even bothered about making ANY point about criminals, crime, jail sentence, the justice system in general and only focused on trying to prove me wrong, trying to twist my words around even though i've explained it like 10 times already.
Yes, I could have explained it better to begin with, but what's the big deal? You could have just as easy asked me to explain it better.
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muppet muppet muppet!! wakka wakka!
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muppet muppet muppet!! wakka wakka!
You never got anything good to say lol, seeing as you are the one going to jail, why don't you say something about it?
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but you're wrong using both related words for different things. *.*
No, i've already said it's my opinion so how can you, or anyone else say I am wrong?
If you say "1 + 1 = 3", we can say you're wrong, even if it's your though.
(And please, nobody starts to say "1 + 1 = 3" is true in certain conditions, I know this: it's just an easy example there.)
I guess you're mixing wrong things together.
And please Komo, try to take an objective view and you'll understand what they mean.
After doing it, you'll be able to explain better what you first meant.
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but you're wrong using both related words for different things. *.*
No, i've already said it's my opinion so how can you, or anyone else say I am wrong?
If you say "1 + 1 = 3", we can say you're wrong, even if it's your though.
(And please, nobody starts to say "1 + 1 = 3" is true in certain conditions, I know this: it's just an easy example there.)
I guess you're mixing wrong things together.
And please Komo, try to take an objective view and you'll understand what they mean.
After doing it, you'll be able to explain better what you first meant.
Ok 1st off, that IS a stupid example because 1+1 clearly IS 2 why the hell would I say it is 3?
2nd, they are the ones taking an objective view if you even fully understood what that phrase meant.
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muppet muppet muppet muppet
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Just hurry up and go to jail avi, keep your balls nice n shaved for the criminals :)
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My 1st statement, which is the one that got everyone going mad, instead of assuming what I meant, instead of making your own defination of exactly what I am thinking in my head when I said that, you ALL should have just simply asked "Can you please define that statement in-depth" and if I tried to explain it and you still didn't understand, you should have asked for another explanation.
Yes, I could have explained it better to begin with, but what's the big deal? You could have just as easy asked me to explain it better.
Did you not realise that this was what I was trying to do on many of my posts?!
Was I really making my intentions so unclear!?
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Yes, but the others are trying to say I was contradicting myself when I wasn't.
Even you said I was going against my own word when I wasn't.
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so ur saying that it is everyone elses fault that ur a fighting muppet?
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Yes, but the others are trying to say I was contradicting myself when I wasn't.
Even you said I was going against my own word when I wasn't.
Well, yeah. Some of things you said didn't fit together in my mind. I didn't see how you could have no sympathy whatsoever for any criminal whatever the crime when admitting that you would have sympathy for a criminal in certain situations.
I think you should have accepted how someone could view these statements as being contradictory and just let it go. You put so much effort in arguing this one stupid little point.
It's taken so many pages for you to admit that you could have explained yourself better!
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The point wasn't about me explaining things better though I was going on about the fact I wasn't contradicting myself, and most people were saying I was, and by the looks of it, you are saying I wasn't contradicting myself, only suggesting that it LOOKED like I was, which doesn't mean I was.
And yes I admit I could have explained it better but I didn't contradict myself, end of story.
I never said everyone else is at fault, I just said they are wrong about saying I am contradicting myself, avi you are just babbling alot of crap, stfu and go post pictures of your bikini wax or summin.
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muppitty mupp mupp, muppitty mupp mupp..
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The point wasn't about me explaining things better though I was going on about the fact I wasn't contradicting myself, and most people were saying I was, and by the looks of it, you are saying I wasn't contradicting myself, only suggesting that it LOOKED like I was, which doesn't mean I was.
And yes I admit I could have explained it better but I didn't contradict myself, end of story.
I never said everyone else is at fault, I just said they are wrong about saying I am contradicting myself, avi you are just babbling alot of crap, stfu and go post pictures of your bikini wax or summin.
Do you think that you have ever inadvertently contradicted yourself on any occasion when posting in this forum?
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Do you think that you have ever inadvertently contradicted yourself on any occasion when posting in this forum?
Don't try and change the subject, my previous actions have got nothing to do with this debate, whether I have or haven't.
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Thing is mate and I'm being totally honest with you here.
Even if you f@#!ed up majorly and actually spoke without thinking straight and maybe posted a point of view which wasn't properly thought out. I really don't think you'd ever be humble enough to admit it.
I was really hoping that you'd grow a pair earlier in this thread but you didn't.
Any human being who shares my relentless passion for worms will always be a friend of mine but damn you are close-minded Sir. I think you should take a long hard look at yourself mate.
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You still contradicted yourself when addressing NAiL's scenario. You said you would accept it, and then you said you would not accept it when it was THE SAME SCENARIO. Oh but i muppet muppet muppetted to what I meant before. Yeah, you always add on and explain what you meant whenever you contradict yourself... you can never admit to it, because you gotta be right about every little muppet thing
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Even if
Exactly, "IF"
But I didn't.
I have apologised on MANY occasions where I have been proven wrong or realised i've acted bad, so right now, you are just talking crap.
Shyguy, just stfu, I never contradicted anything I said and I couldn't care less if you thought I did.
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I don't think you did, I know you did!!!! anyone who reads what you wrote knows you did!! Cue knows you are full of shit too, he just doesn't want to say it so blatantly. How can you say you didn't contradict yourself when it is as simple as you saying yes and then no regarding the exact same situation? You are a dumb muppet... fozzie would be disappointed
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Lol, I said "I'd have to accept it" What does that have to do with having sympathy or not?
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Ok 1st off, that IS a stupid example because 1+1 clearly IS 2 why the hell would I say it is 3?
There you're wrong again, if you don't precise in which case, 1+1 can't CLEARLY be 2 (because it can be 10, 1, 2, 3 or whatever (binaire, rings, etc...)).
where I have been proven wrong or realised i've acted bad
How do you want to realise you were wrong, if we're not allowed to tell you are ?
PS: You're too much "passionated" by the subject that you can't get an objective view, involving you're saying weird things whose you're the only one to understand.
Calm down mate, we're not here to blame you, but to correct understand you.
PSS: When you don't precise something, it can totally change the meaning of it: that's what happenned there.
If fact, if I understood good (tell me in the other case), for you "criminals" aren't "people who commited crimes" but "people who commited serious crimes".
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Even if
Exactly, "IF"
But I didn't.
I have apologised on MANY occasions where I have been proven wrong or realised i've acted bad, so right now, you are just talking crap.
Shyguy, just stfu, I never contradicted anything I said and I couldn't care less if you thought I did.
Well, I don't want to get into this conversation. I hate to point out flaws in people's personalities because who the hell am I to judge someone.
All I'll say is if you get a spare amount of time, read back over this thread. It speaks for itself in my opinion.
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1+1 is 2 lol.
If you mean it to be something else, then fair enough.
I have realised I have been wrong because I have seen sufficient proof, or i've felt guilty about something.
And if you were here to understand me, you'd be saying "Ok sure, I understand now" Instead of "You are contradicting yourself, blah blah blah"
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Lol, I said "I'd have to accept it" What does that have to do with having sympathy or not?
NAiL said she was sent to prison because she killed someone by accident in self defense. You said you would have to accept that.
NAiL then says you are full of crap, blah blah blah, criticizing your answer. The very next thing you say is that you wouldn't think it was a crime if it was an accident, and that you would be mad and not accept it. The situation never changed, yet your answers did. Case closed muppet boy
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popcorn + milk + icecream + this thread = full of win
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popcorn + milk + icecream + this thread = full of win
Wtf Husk? :D Popcorn, milk and icecream in the same setting? Haha crazy finns! ;)
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The situation never changed, yet your answers did. Case closed muppet boy
My answers changed because he said something that made me want to elaborate on why I said "I'd have to accept it"
I would still have no sympathy for the fact she killed another human being, why can't you understand that? Are you so simple minded to not let someone else have their opinions and views on the world and life in general??
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can u applaud a whole thread?
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haha, I am sure Komo.. I am sure you would have no sympathy for her killing another human on accident that attacked her first... maybe she would have died if she didn't fight back.. but i guess you'd still have no sympathy for her killing someone... I am sure you are lying just so you don't contradict yourself now
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komo, are u dumb??? i cant be bothered to scroll back and see exactly what nail said...
but if some freakshow man was going to try to rape ur GF< and stretch her pussy with his huge n@#!!! cock, to somthing unfeasable for ur lil white dick to ever enjoy again, and the only thing she could do to escape rape was to murder...
u would no WANT her to have rather killed that freakshow? u would not have sympathy, for not only going through a terrible thing, but she has also just taken a mans life (and no matter how horrible that man was, that would still be dramatic, and depressing)
and ontop of all that, the law is coming down on HER.
and ur still going to contradict everything u say, and try to say u will have no sympathy... lol.. muppet muppet muppet muppet
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Oh and Komo! you wouldn't have sympathy for her if she killed a human by accident in self defense? but i thought you said if it was an accident, it isn't a crime? contradictions up the ass
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I am sure you are lying just so you don't contradict yourself now
So NOW you are admitting that I am NOT contradicting myself by saying "so you don't contradict yourself"
**Edit this next part, I wrote it wrong lol**
**Why would I have sympathy for the person who caused another human to die due to their accidental actions or deliberate actions?** What the hell is the problem that you can't understand I would be in excrutiating anger and depression if it happened to my girlfriend, but I would have no sympathy for the fact what happened, I would want to kill the person myself if they tried to rape my girlfriend, are you so sick that you have to come up with the most sick and desperate scenarios to try and make ONE person look foolish just because you can't handle their view on something?
Keep trying to bullshit me, I am NOT easily manipulated and I will not be tricked into confessing something I have not done or did not say, you would all make good cops, bad cop good cop lol, trying to get my to confess by threatening me and talking crap... Nice try.
Call me stupid all you want, thats your opinion, you can disagree with me all you want, and even hate me for my opinions and views on life, I don't care, but trying to force me to confess something I haven't done or said, or trying to trick me into thinking I have done, is selfish and arrogant, I can't stand people who preach religion, but I don't go out my way to try and "prove them wrong" or tell them they "contradict themselves"...
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muppet muppet... muppet muppet
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Somebody slap avirex! He's stuck in a permanent loop!
Can you guys grow up and give this a rest?
Thank you.
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I am sure you are lying just so you don't contradict yourself now
So NOW you are admitting that I am NOT contradicting myself by saying "so you don't contradict yourself"
Accepting what happens to your girlfriend and then saying you wouldn't accept it is one thing.
Saying you would have no sympathy for the crime is another thing.
I said you are lying so you don't contradict yourself for the sympathy of the crime thing. Dumbass.
**Why would I have sympathy for the person who caused another human to die due to their accidental actions or deliberate actions?**
"I just don't see accidents as crimes, so how could I see the people involved as criminals? Criminals to me ane people who commit crimes on purpose and don't have a valid reason for it"
You contradicted yourself again. You said you wouldn't have sympathy for another person who caused another person to die by accident, but earlier you said you didn't consider accidents crimes and that it would be different. Now you are saying accidental or intentional, no sympathy. I swear to god I am getting more stupid each time I read your posts, komo.
Go ahead and muppet muppet muppet your way out of that ^.... f@#!ing asshole.
If you honestly wouldn't have sympathy for your girlfriend who killed a man accidentally (which you consider to not be a crime) in self defense, then you are the biggest dick on the planet.
are you so sick that you have to come up with the most sick and desperate scenarios to try and make ONE person look foolish just because you can't handle their view on something?
If you make exceptions for your convictions, even in unlikely theoretical situations, then you are CONTRADICTING YOURSELF.
"Keep trying to bullshit me, I am NOT easily manipulated and I will not be tricked into confessing something I have not done or did not say, you would all make good cops, bad cop good cop lol, trying to get my to confess by threatening me and talking crap... Nice try."
The cops have already seen through your bullshit, taken you to the court, and the judge has laughed hard in front of your face to all of your statements. The judge orders an immediate IQ test to see if he can acquit you for being legally retarded.
Komo, I am willing to bet my life your IQ is no more than 100.
"Call me stupid all you want, thats your opinion, you can disagree with me all you want, and even hate me for my opinions and views on life, I don't care, but trying to force me to confess something I haven't done or said, or trying to trick me into thinking I have done, is selfish and arrogant, I can't stand people who preach religion, but I don't go out my way to try and "prove them wrong" or tell them they "contradict themselves"..."
Don't call people childish for saying you contradict yourself... it is what you f@#!ing do, so why can't we say it? I am certain you are just pissy and sour because a 17 year old has been kicking your ass all over the forums with evidence of you contradicting yourself, and you have nothing to fire back with, and you are too embarrassed and proud to admit you are wrong. You are f@#!ing sad.
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**Why would I have sympathy for the person who caused another human to die due to their accidental actions or deliberate actions?**
"I just don't see accidents as crimes, so how could I see the people involved as criminals? Criminals to me ane people who commit crimes on purpose and don't have a valid reason for it"
You contradicted yourself again. You said you wouldn't have sympathy for another person who caused another person to die by accident, but earlier you said you didn't consider accidents crimes and that it would be different. Now you are saying accidental or intentional, no sympathy. I swear to god I am getting more stupid each time I read your posts, komo.
If you actually read that instead of seeing it the way YOU see it, you would see why I am not contradicting myself.
I have explained so many times how I seperate these things.
You can either chose to accept it or don't accept it, I don't really care lol.
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Laugh all you want avi, but you will die someday, just like me :)
Only human remember ;)
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My answers changed because he said something that made me want to elaborate on why I said "I'd have to accept it"
I would still have no sympathy for the fact she killed another human being, why can't you understand that? Are you so simple minded to not let someone else have their opinions and views on the world and life in general??
There is all I wanted you to see. My job is done, I'm off this topic. :)
PS: Don't you think people who gets murder/rape intention have to be punished by death ? If yes, someone has to kill those people: will he be a criminal ? (Just want one single answer, I won't reply.)
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thats true komo... but muppets never die!!
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My answers changed because he said something that made me want to elaborate on why I said "I'd have to accept it"
I would still have no sympathy for the fact she killed another human being, why can't you understand that? Are you so simple minded to not let someone else have their opinions and views on the world and life in general??
Ok Ab, what exactly do you think I mean by that, because obviously you are making an assumtion here.
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I notice Shyguy has to edit my posts now, lol you are such a f@#!ing immature loser lol.
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You piss people off constantly with your arrogant attitude, you have already made yourself look like a complete ass in this topic among others, and you keep muppet muppet muppetting every post... so i figured it was appropriate. you are probably the most immature person I have ever met over worms... I would say you are more immature than zippo, because zippo doesn't even mean what he says... he said before he just acts like this on worms... I will edit your muppet posts if I feel like it
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Shyguy, you might have everyone here backing you up about the way i've been coming across with my views, but you just showed how immature you really are by editing my posts.
I am more of a man that you ever will be lol.
Lol, me more immature than zippo, yeah right then.
I am not the one editing peoples posts lol, I ain't the one that isn't grown up enough to accept other peoples views.
You are avi the the ones "muppet muppet muppeting on"
mm must stand for muppet muppet, cuz you are both a couple of muppets.
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I feel this video has 2 be added 2 this thread! xD this is a f@#!ing muppet thread! :D
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Anyway Shyguy, who cares if I piss someone off? Not one person on Earth can please every other person on Earth.
At least I got the balls to show who I really am and not care about what people think of me, more than can be said about you.
I got people in this community who respect me for who I am and the GOOD things I do, and they don't let a couple of arguements or opinions stand in the way of that friendship, you are the one that needs to grow up, YOU are the one that is being stubborn and you are the one who holds a grudge.
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u just never stop being a muppet komo.. lol :-X
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Please god lock this thread.
I'm about to lose all my faith in mankind.
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Yeah komo... call me immature, stubborn, grow up, muppet muppet muppet... you are the one who jumped on me just for saying "6 notches" and made a big fuss about it just because you made a wrong assumption and didn't wanna look bad... go muppet your way back to babyville
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You're the one muppet muppet that made muppet muppet the assumption shy lol, so YOU muppet muppet grow up hah.
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You are getting boring komo... nothing new to say.. just words without anything to back them up with... I already proved that is what you were implying... I proved it with facts and evidence, not by typing bullshit on the keyboard like you do post after post... You are so stupid... you didn't even understand the ending to Lost rofl. gg komo. you've exhausted your stupidity long enough this thread.
*locked*