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Title: Can you explain this Kamikaze!?
Post by: Almog on December 07, 2016, 08:55 PM
Hi guys,

I practiced offline to try and understand some Kamikaze stuff I haven't figured out yet.

Take a look at 1:20. The first worm undergoes kamikaze attack and drowns, and then the second worm (the attacked one) doesn't drown, as in, there's a land there. After a few turns I confirmed it wasn't a pixel or something- there's a complete land.

Any explanations?
Title: Re: Can you explain this Kamikaze!?
Post by: TheWalrus on December 07, 2016, 08:58 PM
Hi guys,

I practiced offline to try and understand some Kamikaze stuff I haven't figured out yet.

Take a look at 1:20. The first worm undergoes kamikaze attack and drowns, and then the second worm (the attacked one) doesn't drown, as in, there's a land there. After a few turns I confirmed it wasn't a pixel or something- there's a complete land.

Any explanations?
its a well known bug, when kami distance equals water distance, it leaves 1 pixel of land even though the worm sinks.  its a 1 pixel floor all the way across the kami chute.
Title: Re: Can you explain this Kamikaze!?
Post by: h3oCharles on December 07, 2016, 09:04 PM
https://worms2d.info/Kamikaze_drowning_glitch
Title: Re: Can you explain this Kamikaze!?
Post by: Almog on December 07, 2016, 09:05 PM
Hah. ok.

You'd guess I'd know that after all those elites I played =p
Title: Re: Can you explain this Kamikaze!?
Post by: Mablak on December 08, 2016, 04:09 AM
The pixel floor can be even thicker too, up to like 15 pixels.

Also, kami can fail in another way: if you do kami standing on land that's 17, 33, 49, 65, 81, 97... pixels tall (every 16 pixels), kami will leave 1 pixel of land on the left and right sides (with no floor). So basically, it's good to have your opponent fall through the center to be safe, because it's hard to tell where those heights are. Replay here:

Another way to look at it: there's a 6.25% chance your kami hole will have those single pixels, so plan accordingly :0
Title: Re: Can you explain this Kamikaze!?
Post by: nino on December 08, 2016, 04:34 AM
The pixel floor can be even thicker too, up to like 15 pixels.

Also, kami can fail in another way: if you do kami standing on land that's 17, 33, 49, 65, 81, 97... pixels tall (every 16 pixels), kami will leave 1 pixel of land on the left and right sides (with no floor). So basically, it's good to have your opponent fall through the center to be safe, because it's hard to tell where those heights are. Replay here:

Another way to look at it: there's a 6.25% chance your kami hole will have those single pixels, so plan accordingly :0

CyberShadow will be happy to know this! J/K  :D :D :D

Mablak you sure u did born on earth? u da man porra!!!
Title: Re: Can you explain this Kamikaze!?
Post by: WTF-8 on December 08, 2016, 04:53 AM
if you do kami standing on land that's 17, 33, 49, 65, 81, 97... pixels tall (every 16 pixels), kami will leave 1 pixel of land on the left and right sides (with no floor)
sounds like a very cool and very intentional feature, and also simple to calculate and common to use
I wonder why isn't it fixed yet, after like 18 years of updates
Title: Re: Can you explain this Kamikaze!?
Post by: Mablak on December 08, 2016, 05:20 AM
Hah, I don't know if anyone's ever complained about this, mostly because only a handful of us Intermediate players are aware of it. Or 'kind of' aware of it, dunno if anyone else has tested it besides me. It has caused some annoyance for sure, but super rarely.