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After the last drop, avirex refused to play without a new map, what he didn't stop to let me explain was I had edited the map with less objects to compensate for the hides we all killed, using a new map is unfair because me and madog had the hides under control, so as the rules state we report this until mm decide to finish it.
how can u say u had anything under control? there was 4 freaking games of lag outs... i would say the very first map we had under control....
anyway, the final lag out we all went to rehost it (once again) and komo booted me 4 times when i was asking for a new map, its not that i did not let him explain....
and besides, instead of trying to keep track of all the handicaps and turn orders and etc, of 4 lag outs... we all agreed to play a fresh game, with 150 health... thats why i wanted a new map... komo was too lame to give a new map... he likes his saved maps.
he booted me repeatedly.... you really acted like an immature fool, once again komo
on the 3rd boot, i told him if he does it agian we will not play him.... i gave him 1 more chance, and again he booted me.....
im not even sure why you reported this...... get a life. you cant boot somone 4 times from your host, and then take the free win because we did not play the game.....
if anything, mm should report the win.... but we r not as lame as you.
its no surprise ur karma is -100, here let me smite u now
Quote from: avirex on September 23, 2011, 02:32 AM
how can u say u had anything under control? there was 4 freaking games of lag outs... i would say the very first map we had under control....
anyway, the final lag out we all went to rehost it (once again) and komo booted me 4 times when i was asking for a new map, its not that i did not let him explain....
and besides, instead of trying to keep track of all the handicaps and turn orders and etc, of 4 lag outs... we all agreed to play a fresh game, with 150 health... thats why i wanted a new map... komo was too lame to give a new map... he likes his saved maps.
he booted me repeatedly.... you really acted like an immature fool, once again komo
on the 3rd boot, i told him if he does it agian we will not play him.... i gave him 1 more chance, and again he booted me.....
im not even sure why you reported this...... get a life. you cant boot somone 4 times from your host, and then take the free win because we did not play the game.....
if anything, mm should report the win.... but we r not as lame as you.
its no surprise ur karma is -100, here let me smite u now
avi you really don't know BnG as well as you think then, cuz trust me, me and madog were in control of every single game, every single time we bust your hides open, and everytime when I moved to hardest hide you took forever to hit us while we were starting to even out the HP, then drop everytime that happened from madog or free.
You wouldn't even let me explain to you about the map, that's why I kicked you the 1st time cuz you kept saying "no komo" "new map" like an arrogant prick, obviously I took into account the effects on the map and I reseeded the objects as well as reduce them down to 6, whilst trying to keep the same amount of good hides left that we had left in the previous games.
It's our pick, we decide what map we want to play on, I kept the map the same drawing and edited the objects so it was fairer, end of story, period.
You had a little lead by HP but we had really good positions and hides and ruined your hides every game, everytime you tried to move to a darkside hide to bank grenades we ruined your bank.
I ain't gonna host on a brand new fresh map with the same HP handicap continued from previous games and for you to get new evil hides.
Like the rules state, we can finish this, I have the scores wrote down on a pizza box, your call, and as for booting you all the time, there is no point complaining about that or you just look like a hypocrit, many times you have kicked me from games, sometimes even refusing to play if I even watch and only chat in PM.
I don't care what other people think but I won't be cheated out of a great advantage me and madog had, you can either accept to continue under the proper conditions (could even make a JPG of the map when madog dropped last time and continue from there).
It wasn't a saved map, I extracted it from the 1st replay and kept using it until we finished, you make it sound like I had used it prior to our game set.
komo u booted me repeatedly....
everyone there said you were acting like a child....
im not sure why you reported this game, but maybe its because you like the drama.. thats obvious.
but, we all agreed to do handicaps at 150 and start fresh (that would have given you guys the advantage)
so why wouldnt we use a new map???
after booting me 4 times, you dont even deserve a rematch... and i hope the mods see that.
as far as im concerned, you can gfym - games will be voided, stop wasting the mods time with ur silly drama
Quote from: avirex on September 23, 2011, 03:12 AM
komo u booted me repeatedly....
everyone there said you were acting like a child....
im not sure why you reported this game, but maybe its because you like the drama.. thats obvious.
but, we all agreed to do handicaps at 150 and start fresh (that would have given you guys the advantage)
so why wouldnt we use a new map???
after booting me 4 times, you dont even deserve a rematch... and i hope the mods see that.
as far as im concerned, you can gfym - games will be voided, stop wasting the mods time with ur silly drama
We didn't agree to start fresh ever actually, you suggested that, and obviously didn't pay attention to everyones reply, cuz we started from 200 everytime, and kept the scores, everytime.
Who really cares what they think? That's your problem, you care too much about other people's thoughts, I outright refuse to play on a fresh map with the advantage I know we had, overall we played better by ruining your hides every single game so you had nowhere else to go whilst we still had great hides, in BnG when you lose your last hide and opponent still has hides your f@#!ed against a skilled player.
When I was trying to explain to you why I won't use a new map, that's when you just started repeating "no komo" "new map" over and over, and so I kicked you to get your attention, when you came back I said "calm yet avi?" you were pissed off and being insultive again so I kicked you again, you came back I said "calm yet avi?" again and you called me a c@#! lol, so I kicked you again, I was laughing my ass off btw, was fun, thanks for taking part, you've been great !
Now if YOU refuse to play, then we get a free win, I want to play it, I wanted to finish it, do you honestly think I want to leave a BnG unfinished? But I am not going to play with a fresh map so you guys have advantage with your really basic shots in brand new nice warm and cosy evil hides.
Edit:
After counting up from the last game, this is the killscores with handicap starting from 200hp all worms:
Komo - Dies on 97
madog - Dies on 56
avi - dies on 157
free - dies on 17
Overall, cFc - 247hp Vs mm - 226hp
So we are actually in the lead, and taking into account the amount of times we've destroyed your hides tactically. (Watch the replays for proof, I believe I quote, "pretend like we are trying to hit them" making it look like a miss that opened by luck.)
Say what you want about me as a person, but as a player in this League, I am right, both me and madog geniunely feel we earned the victory already anyway destroying your hides like 4 times already, let alone having to finish it.
Lol komo u booted avi 4 times, even i got mad when we were trying to solve this and restart the game and u booting avi, like a kid who always want to be in the soccer match cos he own the ball.
You can say all you want and i even agree that you guys prolly would win this, but after a lot of crashes, we didnot finnish it, and when we should be trying to finnish, u were booting and booting avi.
Game must be voided indeed.
ok, so komo... your claiming i dont know bng as well as i think??? when in the world did avirex ever say he knows bng? who reallys gives a rats ass about bng other then you komo?
and also, when did you even have control??? we were winning majority of the game, and after the 4th lag out, i was sick of the little handicap system playing on the honor system of what komo says the scores are... "because i have them written down on my pizza box" lololol
so anyway... let me recap you think your better players, and had better hides, you think you were winning, and had better shots, you think we had no advantage and just really basic shots......
who makes you the f@#!ing judge man??? just because your the ultimate nerd of bng? making huge posts about how passionate you are for worms, and bng.... gfym
and big deal komo, your counting the scores after the fourth lag out....let me quote you...
"komo you really don't know BnG as well as you think then, cuz trust me," starting the game over 4 times with the handicaps you have written down on a pizzabox, with no idea whos turn it was sposed to be next, and changing order completely and you being the dictator of who had better hides, therefor altering the map to your opinion..... is.......... not....f@#!ing.....fair......
thats why mablak suggested we all restart with 150 health.. as far as i know, everyone agreed.... in fact, im sure of it..... because i was able to stay into the lobby for atleast that long, until u kept booting me repeatedly because i was asking for a fresh map, because its a fresh game.
again, im not sure why your wasting the mods time- but i see it like this.... the game is obviously going to get voided, you can not boot me 4 times, and then report a free win....
and as far as im concerned your lost your chance for a rematch.... rematches are given to teams when a player had to go, a player lagged out and internet connection cant come back on, wnet drops... you know komo, reasonable reasons....
rematches are not given to people for acting immature... and for the record, even mablak said you were acting f@#!ing retarded ( in his own words :P ).... and im sure your clan thinks so too.
Moderator's opinion?
I think it's just childish act to start booting the player of our game just because your ego-tripping like 5 year old kid in a candy store who doesn't get what he wants instantly. You didn't even DISCUSS with avi about changing map/why not changing map, you just took your Hitler-attitude and almost insta-booted him 4 times.
Naturally needs to be void and I think Dave should put the PC aside for some years and grow up some more.. then come back.
You can all shut the f@#! up lol, avirex does this shit constantly all the time and no one says shit to him, the bottom line is, "It's komo f@#! him" so no, f@#! you.
I mean, i've explained it in detail, I didn't say ANYTHING bad to avirex, until he started acting like he's god by spamming at me, THEN I kicked him, so for Mablak and Free and nino to turn round and say I am acting childish, wake the f@#! up and take a look at your leader ffs.
oh yes, im constantly booting the guy im trying to play, then reporting free wins when he finally gets mad...
then come to complaint forum and say "wtf mods? i didnt say anything bad to him! should be my free win!" haha think about the logic there...
besides, i was discussing yesterday with somone.. i forget who, maybe peja.. but wtf, your lucky i came back after u booted me once being i did not wanna play bng from the start.... then i came back after 2 times... then i cae a third and warned u not to boot me again... then i came the 4th and got booted... what did u expect to happen komo?
and news flash komo, im not anyones leader.... haha well, maybe peja's :p
Quote from: avirex on September 24, 2011, 10:31 AM
oh yes, im constantly booting the guy im trying to play, then reporting free wins when he finally gets mad...
It's not exactly a free win though is it? We played 4 games, took over 1 hour, we played better overall if it were to be judged, you still trashed us in the Elite and I was happy and having a laugh with you, then you started being a c@#! to me because I wouldn't do what YOU wanted even though it was our pick.
I think by now I have a good judge of how to play a fair BnG avi, if you hate me on these forums, and as a person whatever, but one thing I take pride in is my fair sportsmanship when playing online, I never try to cheat anyone out of a fair game, even if I don't like them, I even offered to replay a game with our ex-enemies rOx that cFc won because I feel we won unfairly, if we didn't play the game at all, then theres no way I would report it, but honestly avi, I really do think I have a valid reason for reporting this game.
Im not going to sit here and argue with you komo like you would love for me to do (drama queen) i think the mods have enough information to make the obvious decission... i think you even know what the outcome will be yourself if the truth was told... you just want to see if you can manipulate the system... have you noticed none of your clan is here backing you up? its cuz they kno ur acting like a complete jackass.. i just wonder if you will ever get sick of acting that way....because i know i am :p just wait ffor the mods drama queen
Ok, without resorting to childish common insults everyones overheard by the time they are 15, explain to me why I shouldn't report a win?
My defense is this:
We played 4 games, me and madog constantly broke their hides tactically (check chat for proof we do it on purpose), then started hitting them each time.
By the end cFc has more HP: cFc-247hp vs mm-226hp
You were the one who refused to continue, everyone else wanted to continue.
You were trying to tell me to select a new map, even though that would give mm further advantage and a chance for fresh hides, when I tried telling you I am using the same map but edited it you literally didn't even give me a chance to tell you which is why I kicked you because I don't like being spoken to the way you were typing "no komo, new map, no komo, new map" like i'm the new guy at your work or something, anyone in real life would either walk away without saying anything, or just hit you, when you came back I asked if you were calm yet (so I could explain about the map) and you called me a "c@#!", so I kicked you again, and again, and again because you kept swearing and cursing at me without giving me a chance to explain.
In the past, indeniably, I have always stuck up for you and any clan you have been part of if you were right, and against if you were wrong, I am not a bias person, why would you think, I would try and make a mockery of my favourite scheme you KNOW how passionate I am about BnG, why would you think I would treat you unfairly? Especially after having the patience to keep rehosting even after destroying your hides everytime.
I don't care about you calling me this name n that name, but it's a low blow you accusing me of trying to f@#! mm over, I play this League very professionally, when have I seriously ever tried to cheat someone out of points unfairly? I especially respect Janu nino and Cody, theres no way on this green Earth I would do such a pathetic thing for a measly 15 f@#!ing points.
Quote from: avirex on September 23, 2011, 02:32 AM
you really acted like an immature fool, once again komo
avi just Only here you act like a immature fool, as it was with me, laugh at the folly unless your only...
komo right
game should stay
r3spect, i know your still bitter... i dont blame you... all of wnet had a good laugh at me walking to the finish line on you... im sorry the joke was at your expense, but i have advertised it both on my clan, and community forums to be nominated for game of the season...
ill guarantee you that in 1 years time when you look back on the 20011, September game of the season, you too will have a good laugh :D
komo- please, let the modes decide...
you are not the mod of all bng games, you are not the god of bng, and im not sure what makes you think you should have been able to edit the map to what you thought was suitable for the damage done in prior lag outs...
lets just let the mods decide my friend. <3
If you kids can't play nicely together, perhaps you two shouldn't play.
Avi, you're involved in too many complaints lately, so how about you tone it down a bit?
I think I'll collect the thoughts of my fellow mods on this one. In general, I feel games should be played on the same map if there's a lagout, since there's HP difference and there's difference in position. Either that or the game should be replayed from the start, in which case a new map is possible.
Whether a game should be replayed from the start or with similar conditions should be decided by the clan that's leading.
Now there's a couple of ways we could be looking at what happened next: on the one hand, avirex is refusing the conditions described above, which would mean the win goes to cfc.
On the other hand, we have komo repeatedly booting avirex. If there's one thing that screams out "I don't want to play you", it's booting someone.
I don't want to reward either of you for your behaviour, to be honest. I think this is the same reason for other mods not to respond so far. Unfortunately, we don't have that option.
My first thought: this game has to be replayed from the start. I don't plan on awarding a win when the host keeps booting someone. If you hadn't behaved like this, Komo, I would've been more likely to acknowledge this game as a win for cfc.
I think avirex should not be involved in the rematch, so mm, find a different player to play it against cfc. If mm is uncooperative in getting the games played, then cfc should get the win anyway.
But like I said, I'm picking the other mods' brains for a definite decision.
I am happy to replay the BnG lol, although I hope you realise how wrong you sound when you accuse me of not wanting to BnG someone, that would be a miracle.
darkone, all my complaints i have been involved in so far, have went in favor of me, and i have not broke any rules....
how can u tell me to cool it down? shall i hold a lecture call in #Help of Wnet, and school all these kids on the rules of w:a? im not understanding exactly what you want me to do...
and darkone... its not that i never disagreed, i was never given the chance.. i was being kicked at the first word i mentioned of "new map" it was not until the 3rd or 4th that i called him a c@#!.... was he not being one???
additional note: 3 out of these 4 complaints are bng complaints..... lets just f@#!ing make it no rules bng finally, and no1 will have this problem....
there is no such thing as a clean fun bng unless your komo and cream your pants to the thought of bng..
NRBNG FTW!
Quote from: Komito on September 25, 2011, 02:49 PM
I am happy to replay the BnG lol, although I hope you realise how wrong you sound when you accuse me of not wanting to BnG someone, that would be a miracle.
I'm gonna have to go with "not at all", since you kicked avi not once, not twice, but four times. Perhaps your actions should reflect your thoughts.
I know you didn't break any rules, avirex.
ZiPpO didn't break rules either, but I don't think you'll find someone defending every aspect of the way he handled TUS games.
Quote from: DarkOne on September 25, 2011, 05:13 PM
Quote from: Komito on September 25, 2011, 02:49 PM
I am happy to replay the BnG lol, although I hope you realise how wrong you sound when you accuse me of not wanting to BnG someone, that would be a miracle.
I'm gonna have to go with "not at all", since you kicked avi not once, not twice, but four times. Perhaps your actions should reflect your thoughts.
I know you didn't break any rules, avirex.
ZiPpO didn't break rules either, but I don't think you'll find someone defending every aspect of the way he handled TUS games.
Perhaps you should use your brains, and realise WHY I kicked avi, before talking such crap, period.
Experience speaks for itself, I have NEVER backed down from a BnG even against people I cannot stand, and anyway, you are a MOD, you are supposed to check entire games and replays, we even offered a rematch, fresh start, against Mablak/free/nino, since avi was being awkward.
f@#!ing right, I am going to kick someone from MY game who is being a pure out c@#!, unreasonable, avi CONSTANTLY tries to control other clans picks and tell them what to do and sorry but it isn't f@#!ing happening with me, I don't have MUG wrote across my forehead like most of you idiots who let avi away with this shit.
I kicked avi, not mm, why don't you understand that lol, and you are actually intelligent...
I actually honestly can't believe how unreasonable you are being D1, remind me to never seek your advice when it comes to being a MOD ever again, you outright KNOW why I kicked avi, it's f@#!ing obvious I wanted to continue playing, why the f@#! should I accept avirex's attitude in MY DAMN GAME? When all I was trying to do was continue playing fairly and explain it to him?
To be honest, you are being lazy with this complaint, because it's Komo and avi arguin as usual you can't be bothered with it, and I honestly don't blame you for that, but it's your responsibility to check every part of the games/chat to ensure a fair decision is being made, and to be honest, you f@#!ed up here.
Perhaps you should use your brains before kicking people?
Kicking someone repeatedly can serve only 2 purposes:
1) keeping someone out of the game who doesn't get the message.
2) annoying somebody.
I'm deliberately not mentioning "making a point", because nobody will take you seriously if you're using these tactics to make your point, so that just takes us back to option two.
You were playing mm and mm picked avirex so if option 1 is the one, then yeah, I'm gonna go with "not at all".
The second option is more childish than anything you've accused avirex of here.
Take your pick... comma (I guess)
I see you edited your post, so here's my little addendum:
Okay, we're only a couple of mods here. maximum of 4 people that check complaints and I don't know about you, but we have other things to do than spend all our time on complaints.
This complaint has 4 attached replays with a total playing time of about 36 minutes. The other BnG complaint has a replay with 49 minutes of playtime.
Now, in every complaint, there's always a few essential things that happen you could look at and the rest is pointless to watch, so basically, there's a few ways we can handle this:
1) the person who files the complaint let's us know the time, which is easy since they're in the game themselves and therefore can recognise the time from the log and doesn't take a lot of time (unless a person is involved in a lot of complaints, of course)
2) the limited amount of mods check every replay from every complaint and will therefore will have to spend a minimum of one hour per day on complaints (with of course several days where multiple hours have to be spent)
Now, I'm picking 1. You can call me lazy, you can call me asshole, but that doesn't change that you were annoying the hell out of everybody in that game:
QuoteLol komo u booted avi 4 times, even i got mad when we were trying to solve this and restart the game and u booting avi, like a kid who always want to be in the soccer match cos he own the ball.
Quote from: DarkOne on September 25, 2011, 05:33 PM
Perhaps you should use your brains before kicking people?
Kicking someone repeatedly can serve only 2 purposes:
1) keeping someone out of the game who doesn't get the message.
2) annoying somebody.
I'm deliberately not mentioning "making a point", because nobody will take you seriously if you're using these tactics to make your point, so that just takes us back to option two.
You were playing mm and mm picked avirex so if option 1 is the one, then yeah, I'm gonna go with "not at all".
The second option is more childish than anything you've accused avirex of here.
Take your pick... comma (I guess)
Yeah so I guess, if something suddenly hits me hard, I am not allowed to say "ow" either.
You have no right to even be a MOD with this clouded vision.
You are being VERY VERY FOOLISH to think I don't want to finish a f@#!ing BnG just because I kicked someone for being that annoying, i've seen you kick people before for far less.
zippo never broke rules? since when, he was a f@#!ing program whore cheater....
i find that very insulting so compare me to zippo darkone, and i want an apology... :(
edit: just read all the posts after you made the zippo comment lol:::
komo, you have alot of nerve calling him a bad mod, just because he does not agree with you... guess what, mm does not agree with you, and your clan does not either... notice no1 is backing you up??
komo, you act like u booted me because i was being an asshole, thats not true, the first boot was for me simply asking for another map, it was not until the 2nd or 3rd boot that i got angry and started to swear.... your lucky i came back that many times....
you truly are trying to manipulate the system in any way you can, and its not going to happen...
You know what, f@#! it, i'll just quit cFc and not bother clanning again, no one plays fairly these days anyway, and the MODs don't have a f@#!ing clue either.
DarkOne, do you actually now get my point?
You all sit there saying I am being childish, for using discipline, yet look at peja and avi in this thread?
Does anyone even realise, what just happened? I think you all live in a planet where words have their own individual meaning for whatever you want that meaning to be to suit yourselfs.
Because I will tell you this for free, NONE of you understand the English language as it's officially supposed to be, you all throw words around and don't even know how to use them properly, you all get angry at something that wasn't even wrote the way YOU imagined it, so f@#!ing dumb it's unreal. (Not directed at DarkOne that dumb comment, his English is impeccable, impressive actually.)
Well, since everybody is posting in this thread when they should not.. I'll add my little income.
I'd like to point out two differents things:
1) The way we handle complaint has to change if we want tus to not be a drama queen place. I think this thread is a perfect example of a 3 page topic with only 4 or less post that are accurate.
People only involved in the complaint should be able to post and read it and the argument around the game should be more concise and as D1 pointed out there weren't a lot of information to help mod.
Let me suggest you a way to make thing goes better:
Make a form (like when you report a game) with question such as when a rule was broken...This will save time to mod.
Allow only people involved in the game (+clan leader for clanner) to read and see how the complaint is being done and forbid people to post about the complaint in other place than in it. No more drama..
2) Komo you are offending me with your "You all suck in english" argument. Did I ask you to speak a perfect French ? Can you even speak another language than your so perfect English ? Would you like me to tell that anyone who does not speak a perfect French live in a planet where words have their own individual meaning for whatever you want that meaning to be to suit yourselfs ?
Quote from: zippeurfou on September 25, 2011, 09:42 PMDid I ask you to speak a perfect French ? Can you even speak another language than your so perfect English ? Would you like me to tell that anyone who does not speak a perfect French live in a planet where words have their own individual meaning for whatever you want that meaning to be to suit yourselfs ?
No, No, Don't know what you are talking about.
I don't speak other languages, your point is? I don't tell other people things in their language that isn't true though.
I don't see why this game was reported, there was no major advantage for either team, the obvious solution is to replay it. Which we could have done at the time, but Komo and Avi needed time to cool off. We didn't play with other players at the time because Komo wouldn't allow Avi to join, but we can probably manage to replay soon enough.
QuoteI think you all live in a planet where words have their own individual meaning for whatever you want that meaning to be to suit yourselfs.
Because I will tell you this for free, NONE of you understand the English language as it's officially supposed to be, you all throw words around and don't even know how to use them properly, you all get angry at something that wasn't even wrote the way YOU imagined it, so f@#!ing dumb it's unreal.
My point is, please do not imply everybody in your post it is annoying :-(. When I disagree with someone I don't insult the whole worms community..
Quote from: zippeurfou on September 25, 2011, 10:01 PM
QuoteI think you all live in a planet where words have their own individual meaning for whatever you want that meaning to be to suit yourselfs.
Because I will tell you this for free, NONE of you understand the English language as it's officially supposed to be, you all throw words around and don't even know how to use them properly, you all get angry at something that wasn't even wrote the way YOU imagined it, so f@#!ing dumb it's unreal.
My point is, please do not imply everybody in your post it is annoying :-(. When I disagree with someone I don't insult the whole worms community..
True, sorry.
Quote from: Komito on September 25, 2011, 06:16 PM
DarkOne, do you actually now get my point?
You all sit there saying I am being childish, for using discipline, yet look at peja and avi in this thread?
I did compare avirex to zippo in this thread, in my defense ;D Can't believe you missed an opportunity to quote his response to that and paste in an emoworm image.
Regarding that, avi, if I recall correctly, there were several "OMFGBANZIPPO" threads because of his behaviour in TUS games and on the forums. You may want to consider learning from that, which zippo refused to do.
btw why did you leave cfc on tus? was it because of this game, was it because darkone didnt gave you a freewin. or is it some kind of protest against the overall point system? did FoS ruin your stay here?
anyway pls comeback, tus is the biggest wa related league (afaik) so this leugue obviusly needs the best palyers taking part.
Out of line, Komo. Post removed.
Quote from: DarkOne on September 28, 2011, 06:55 AM
Out of line, Komo. Post removed.
Oh, is it? Then perhaps you should warn Peja, not to say such things openly on the TuS Shoutbox.
Thanks.
there are so many shit posts in complaint topics (I'm guilty aswell), maybe start by cleaning this topic? oh and fada made a good point.
mods please take a decision, w/e u guys decide is ok.
to much drama lately
AFF
I got some feedback from other mods, and we're basically on one line: game should be replayed.
Personally, I insist avirex is not involved in the rematch