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Leagues => Leagues Complaints => Topic started by: sm0k on May 03, 2013, 10:30 PM
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coI asked for clanner in ag.. we accept the clanner and they didnt want to play us coz we said we gonna pick wxw.. is it avoiding? asking for clanner and then break it up coz they dont want to play a sgeme is lame.. and if they go for special shemes they should say it by asking for clanner i guess.
here is the screanshot of my snooper.
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We have ran into this befor, yes one clan if not willing to play certain schemes should say so, but in the end clans should agree to maps and schemes in pregame lobby. This is just a disagreement amongst two clans.
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if You call "clanner any1" in the lobby You should be ready to play any scheme.
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It's true. Here's the thread from announcements forum:
Avoiding rule:
If someone is avoiding, you must save screen shots as proof and post them in a complaint thread. Mods will discuss and if they agree, you can report a free win and that gives the avoider one week of time to play that game. In the case of a clan avoiding, only the players online at the time of the avoid can play.
Waiting for a specific lineup before even asking for a clanner is still perfectly okay. Openly asking for clanners but then refusing to play a clan is not okay. If you only want to play a specific scheme/type, you must make this clear when asking for clanners or risk getting an avoid complaint.
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They should've asked for (a) special scheme/s then or type "clanner except wxw any1?" :D
It is ok if not everybody want to play every scheme if they are not allrounder and still try to have the maximum fun, but then they shouldn't ask for a generally clanner and just ask for schemes they would play and then they could still talk before a game to find schemes which both want to play.
So to talk before a game is ok if they wouldn't ask for a generally "tus/clanner any1?". If you ask for it and then say "no" if you see that a skilled person answered is avoiding and theres the possibility that you have to play that game anyway then or accept a freewin-report from your opponent if that happens several times and in bad ways.
This still looks friendly enough to tolerate it if it is the first time. But don't do it again, please.
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dennis .. normaly i nvm about such things.. but this is 3rd time that cio ask fro clanner and avoid me coz i wanna pick rope sheme. thats why i made screanshot this time.. coz its weird and it piss me off..
here's a example.. i ask for clanner.. dt (mablak&Static) says they clanner.. i ask for their pick.. ttrr.. and i say: no sry, niv or another player is not around, we wont play rr... cmon this is lame.. here is the same situation.. and it dont mind oif its in lobby or ag.. same shit
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dennis .. normaly i nvm about such things.. but this is 3rd time that cio ask fro clanner and avoid me coz i wanna pick rope sheme. thats why i made screanshot this time.. coz its weird and it piss me off..
here's a example.. i ask for clanner.. dt (mablak&Static) says they clanner.. i ask for their pick.. ttrr.. and i say: no sry, niv or another player is not around, we wont play rr... cmon this is lame.. here is the same situation.. and it dont mind oif its in lobby or ag.. same shit
If it is the third time you can force them to play and tell them that you are allowed to report a freewin in that case. To avoid like that is not allowed and would make me angry, too, you are right.
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I've been hearing quite a number of people accusing you of cheating to rope sm0k, maybe that's why? (I am not accusing you, I haven't even seen you rope for years lol)
Why can't we add to the rules something like "if you want to avoid a scheme, please say so while asking for a clanner, otherwise you must play or risk a free win reported against you".
I don't mind people avoiding schemes(well yeah, it's still kinda lame, and fk them for being cowards lol) but as long as they say so that's cool lol.
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I don't see why, dub. Are you saying people don't like competitive playing if they only play RR and ropers?
What you're saying means they can only play league when TRL picks their scheme - at that point, they are worthy of playing leagues. But when TRL isn't one of their schemes, they shouldn't show their faces around leagues.
The only consequence of not playing a particular scheme is that they are virtually ineligible for the playoffs. So what? There are a lot of people that don't qualify for playoffs.
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I've been hearing quite a number of people accusing you of cheating to rope sm0k, maybe that's why? (I am not accusing you, I haven't even seen you rope for years lol)
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oh man starts this again? i dont know why people thinks i got some script or w/e for my rope. statik got faster tapz them me and no ones cares.. i bough a new tarantula and ppl start again about smok is cheating wtf? like in the past i got banned ccz of this shit .. even if i didnt use any f@#!ing shit.. and mods coudnt prove that till today.
back to topic. i dont think getting free wins is the way. i would give a warm when there are 3 topics about the same guy with screanshot or something like this. and ye i gree with franz
If you only want to play a specific scheme/type, you must make this clear when asking for clanners or risk getting an avoid complaint.
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sm0k, it isn't REALLY a free win, that game still needs to be played if reported as a free win, it's just a temporary report really.
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Bunch of spam, league complaints should be allowed only for mods to post.
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Kaleu, the only spam, is what you posted, everything else was either information relevant to this complaint, or an opinion about the matter at hand.
No one insulted anyone or anything, why the attitude?
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I mean, is all this discussion really needed?
Everyone here know that if you type 'clanner anyone?' your clan must be ready to play any scheme.
Everybody here is posting things that we already know, that's why I found this all a bit useless, just let the mods work, all these posts just disrupts the work of the mods as you can see not even the clan who avoided posted here and you already filled the page with posts, I would like a close leagues complaints to prevent this, only those involved could post.
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I agree with you kaleu and I already suggested it before but I guess mod like to have different opinion :)
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People are free to play the schemes they want. If you play their pick and then they refuse your pick, it will be avoiding. In this case, nothing happened. They asked your pick and refused to play clanner. Many people already do that if they know their opponent pick is BnG.
Forcing a rule otherwise, will make people hand out free wins.
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I mean, is all this discussion really needed?
Everyone here know that if you type 'clanner anyone?' your clan must be ready to play any scheme.
That's our point though Kaleu, not make a rule people avoiding gets punished, but if a clan does not want to play certain schemes, they should say so when they are asking for clanners, it stops confusion, and possibly saves time, for example, Clan A - Clanner ne1?, Clan B - Us ! We will !, Clan A - Host your pick... So Clan B hosts up, selects scheme, but then Clan A decides they don't like that scheme, after a few minutes of arguing, both clans are back in AG, and I know it doesn't happen alot, but in these few minutes, 2 other clans could have found each other, and your clans have lost out ! <--- And may possibly have to wait another 30-60, even hours, for another clanner lol, it's happened to me before when looking with barman in Q.
Just make yourself clear before advancing, is all I wish for lol.
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People are free to play the schemes they want. If you play their pick and then they refuse your pick, it will be avoiding. In this case, nothing happened. They asked your pick and refused to play clanner. Many people already do that if they know their opponent pick is BnG.
Forcing a rule otherwise, will make people hand out free wins.
well so gonna be ok if i ask for clanner, some clan agree and i ask for their pick.. and if i dont have the right partner for this sheme i can just avoid it? you wanna make me clear this is ok?
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Avoiding rule:
If you only want to play a specific scheme/type, you must make this clear when asking for clanners or risk getting an avoid complaint.
This is wrong and needs to be changed. Asking for specific schemes in a rating based all-around league is just incongruous. IT IS A LEAGUE! If you only want to play certain schemes then you should stick to playing funners.
Im totally agree with u dub, this MUST BE CHANGED, as u told, this is a competitive league and both clans or individual players must choice what they want to pick, a pick for each one whatever they pick, this leagues is not based on '' i will decide what we gonna play '' that's totally unfair... what would happen if everyone here start saying '' TUS NE1? only such scheme'' ? opponents will lose their right to choice, and mostly of the cases, opponent refuses that ''he/she'' decide what the opponent HAS TO play... and this affect obviously the player with balls to reach to first place or PO...
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I agree with Dub too. Both clans/players having their pick is perfectly enough of choices. If you're afraid of people abusing the league by playing only certain schemes, implement that thing from allrounder league (which should be the default league btw, imho) which takes away points if your pick diversity is poor, or something like that.
But designing your opponents' picks to your own favor too? Now that's bullshit.
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well so gonna be ok if i ask for clanner, some clan agree and i ask for their pick.. and if i dont have the right partner for this sheme i can just avoid it? you wanna make me clear this is ok?
You can play the scheme you want. You can ask "clanner Team17 anyone?" and only play Team17. It is based on agreement. You CAN'T refuse your opponent's pick when they have played yours. But before the start of the games, yes you can talk to them to reach an agreement.
At the rest of the topic,
Forcing a rule like that, will backfire you know? I can set that rule and force a clan to not escape my TTRR pick. They will probably tell me to report free win. A number of those free wins get reported and people will start calling that lame. Then we go on and set another rule to ban free wins like that and force that clan to play TTRR with us. Now do you think that forced game is any different than the free win they just gave us?
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well so gonna be ok if i ask for clanner, some clan agree and i ask for their pick.. and if i dont have the right partner for this sheme i can just avoid it? you wanna make me clear this is ok?
You can play the scheme you want. You can ask "clanner Team17 anyone?" and only play Team17. It is based on agreement. You CAN'T refuse your opponent's pick when they have played yours. But before the start of the games, yes you can talk to them to reach an agreement.
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Forcing a rule like that, will backfire you know? I can set that rule and force a clan to not escape my TTRR pick. They will probably tell me to report free win. A number of those free wins get reported and people will start calling that lame. Then we go on and set another rule to ban free wins like that and force that clan to play TTRR with us. Now do you think that forced game is any different than the free win they just gave us?
you didnt get my point.. what happens if i do it this way.. asking for clanner or tus .. and then i dont agree on my opponents sheme.. for me its avoiding .. but if nothing gonna happen to coI, i ll start to do the same way.. hey.. its just easier to not losing points when im not warm or a partner is not around..
handle it with warns and bans .. like 3 warns and then banned.
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You can play the scheme you want. You can ask "clanner Team17 anyone?" and only play Team17. It is based on agreement. You CAN'T refuse your opponent's pick when they have played yours. But before the start of the games, yes you can talk to them to reach an agreement.
some cases that's not an agreement, sometimes we're forced to play ''that'' scheme cuz there're no more players to play FAIRLY, and obviously this kind of avoiding affect us and for me that's afraid to lose points, and it should be considered like avoiding opponent pick, if they want to play only t17, they can host a game called ''t17'' and find a player that's what they are looking for no? just play one scheme? why we have to support those players that don't like other schemes?, what kind of competitiveness we have if one is deciding what we have to play?...
if u see currently clan league is totally inactive, there's no ''variety'' of clans anymore, and when we've got a clan asking for clanner (after hours looking for) they have to decide what we have to play? that's unfair man...
If they want to play clanner or leagues games, they have to play based on basic rule, 1 scheme per player or clan ...
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Forcing a rule like that, will backfire you know? I can set that rule and force a clan to not escape my TTRR pick. They will probably tell me to report free win. A number of those free wins get reported and people will start calling that lame. Then we go on and set another rule to ban free wins like that and force that clan to play TTRR with us. Now do you think that forced game is any different than the free win they just gave us?
I supppose the option ''free win'' was created in order to report a game where the opponent just ''give it up'' why should it be lame? the lame player will be the player who is surrending without playing...
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Just report as free win, this isn't the 1st time coI avoided us, but last time they said only shoppa, WxW or T17, and now they're refusing WxW too? Pretty sad.
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We don't really have enough activity to just allow people to ask for specific clanners MI, we really really just don't...
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When i only have time to play one scheme i ask for a specific scheme tus.. But i have always seen people ask for certain schemes when spamming for tus.. It hapoens and isnt against rules.
Also anyone who has problems with decisions made is free to make there own league and run it however they want.
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You are naive thinking forcing rule will solve the problem. If such rule is set, people WON'T go "Damn I can't skip I have to play, let's give it my best, maybe we win". They'll go "Report free win". That's not more activity nor a solution. Just clogging TUS db with empty games.
Then again you will get pissed off about free wins and come here and ask for banning free wins. "IT'S THE MAIN LEAGUE OF W:A, GAMES MUST GET DONE, WTF ARE THESE FREE WINS?"
And yep, we set the no free win rule. You think people will be like "Damn we can't hand out free wins. Yep seems like there's no way out, they got us! Let's do our best!". Well they will:
1. Quit playing TUS because they are forced to play schemes they don't like. (Remember how many times people said that in defend of TEL? "I just want to play Elite and in Classic I have to play other schemes")
2. They won't take the games seriously. Think about BnGs where people are just trying fancy shot which ultimately explode on themselves (Greenies). Think about WxW games which people are warming on the map, trying to pull their favorite trick. Isn't that against the quality of the league? We already have a bunch of these games.
Then what? Should we set a rule "YOU MUST BE SERIOUS IN ALL GAMES!! SEND US YOUR PICTURE WHILE PLAYING, WE MUST SEE TENSION IN YOUR FACE", then tons are people will come back to TUS because now we have proper rules. We'll have more activity happily ever after.
Notes:
- Current rule set of TUS is protecting you. If you play your opponent's pick, there's no way out. They HAVE TO play your pick.
- Current league system doesn't favor playing specific schemes. You'll gain less and less points.
- They can't avoid a scheme in playoffs. They won't be winning any POs.
You guys are insisting to remove a pregame agreement rule. Seriously, before thinking about how good your rule is, first think about "what if it backfires".
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Its up to that person to accept. If you don't want to step up, stay in the bleachers.
When it comes to league not everyone can be on at certain times. I know in my clan we have strong ropers and we have strong default players. We have had some tus call outs and have only asked to play defaults, if the other clan didn't want to do that we went back to AG and waited for the next group willing to do so. I'm not gonna send my defaulters in against ropers, and visa versa, that's asking for a loss. If your in a league and your working for points and ranking you want your best in that situation.
The rules state when one game is played the next must be played(if not then you get a free win). If no games are played there is just a disagreement. That's the rules and there is no changing them by personal position. Deal with it or GTFO
Also anyone in my opinion wiling to turn in a free win needs to take a look at themselves in the mirror... If your greed and desire outwieghs your self pride and respect then that's on you.. And trying to kick and scream at the referee because of the call made on the feild doesnt get you anywhere but in the hall of shame. your grown up, you heard the rules, act like a professional and accept it.
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1. Quit playing TUS because they are forced to play schemes they don't like. (Remember how many times people said that in defend of TEL? "I just want to play Elite and in Classic I have to play other schemes")
acutelly i see ppl quit tus coz of ur new sheme rules, coz i dont think all good clans just went inactive on same time. but nvm
and i still didnt get an answer. if every1 starts to ask for "tus any?" and then try to handle out 2 shemes they wanna play, it suck .. and im talking about this problem.. coz some ppl are just to stupid to ask for specifity shemes on ag. and i gave ur an example too.. what happens if i ask for tus on ag and then i dont agree on my opponents sheme? looks like im able to do that since there are no rules.. well as i said .. i can avoid some shemes this way against low ranking players and keep my points save.. or i can avoid rope shemes when im cold. i dont think this is the way a league should be.
But ye i ll start to do this way as long it dont gonna get fix.. and i belive another ppl too.. and this gonna make much more problems then setting a rule for it
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If this is the case you and your clan is a f@#!ing joke. You kick and scream asking for only certain schemes because of your own lack of skill and then blame it on others because they are better then you and you won't play against a better clan. You state the rules and I state why they are absurd . . . . .
Not kicking and screaming, and definitely not crying over why the rules are the way they are. If everyone had there way it would be a f@#!fest. We ask they accept or disagree end of story. This is where we separate the men from the boys.
Like i said if you cant accept it you don't have to deal with it simply take yourself somewhere else or make a league where you can make the rules and have them your way, tus isn't burger king.
Also if your gonna be throwing hissy fits and calling names my ex ol lady left a pack of tampons here, i think they might be your size.
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Sorry but Dub-C is totally right (but would be better if he could do it with better manner).
Also, sm0k has an extremely good point, technically, these ridiculous rules mean we can ALL abuse the TuS points system, keep our points safe by avoiding whoever the hell we want @ whatever we want.
MI, you are seriously trying to tell us THAT is better/fairer than putting a simple rule that means people can't refuse certain schemes? If they don't want to play it, hire more players that DO enjoy those schemes !
All these clans, that choose and pick, like this, more or less NEVER even make Playoffs, so apparently, they don't even care about points, so why the hell do they do it?!
Well technically, Dub-C isn't RIGHT, cuz it's just an opinion after all, but I agree with him, and feel the current rule is just totally immoral to this League.
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Also, sm0k has an extremely good point, technically, these ridiculous rules mean we can ALL abuse the TuS points system, keep our points safe by avoiding whoever the hell we want @ whatever we want.
Anyone can avoid at any time, simply dont answer the "TUS anyone?". Someone Pm's you asking "clanner?" dont answer. You are in PO position and don't want to lose position by risking a loss in a clanner, simply dont answer, there are lots of ways to avoid. some are more viewable than others.
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Mayhem, you just described what is in my opinion, the biggest problem with this League, the fact that people actually want to avoid, and you helping to encourage this, is VERY disappointing.
Also, I am not talking about not playing when you have reached PO, I don't see a problem with that, I think it's ok to stop playing entirely once you reach the PO requirements, so you can focus on other things, and "simply don't answer" is just ignorant and a bad attitude to have in my opinion...
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I'm not encouraging, I'm just stating what i have witnessed over time. The whole point of this thread is about a disagreement amongst picks, people say that's avoiding. What i stated are different situations that are avoiding in the simplest form.
Unless you can force people to play games at certain times or set a game schedule avoiding will always be there. Choosing to play is up to the people. and since it is that way there is nothing that can be changed. Rules are there to help stabilize but nothing will ever be perfect.
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Well, a disagreement over picks is avoiding, because you are avoiding to play a scheme you either don't like, or fear you will lose.
I'll just leave it at that, I don't see the point going on, I guess we will have to unfortunately accept the fact that some people want to avoid, and some people don't, and it also appears MI is afraid we will lose activity if we implement a rule that stops avoiding completely.
In this case, you simply cannot please everyone...
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acutelly i see ppl quit tus coz of ur new sheme rules, coz i dont think all good clans just went inactive on same time. but nvm
please give me an example for any clan which went inactive because of new scheme rules. you mentioned some clans in a tel game between breeze and ray. unfortunately all these clans were already inactive/less active before this season started.
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Stupid amount of petty aggression in this thread.
Avoiding is and always has been a problem in leagues.
People race into the playoffs then declare, not risking more points.
Even back in FB. I was probably the sort of person someone would want to avoid and had to experience it many times. Why would someone risk trying to win their pick and face an almost auto loss in mine (RR)
The people with the highest overall rating knew I would win the RR 99% so they had nothing to gain through potentially winning their pick.
This psychological avoiding is very undetectable, but it is part of league politics.
Nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious.
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Also, sm0k has an extremely good point, technically, these ridiculous rules mean we can ALL abuse the TuS points system, keep our points safe by avoiding whoever the hell we want @ whatever we want.
Anyone can avoid at any time, simply dont answer the "TUS anyone?". Someone Pm's you asking "clanner?" dont answer. You are in PO position and don't want to lose position by risking a loss in a clanner, simply dont answer, there are lots of ways to avoid. some are more viewable than others.
Integrate some kind of pick diversity and seasonal activity check into the point system!
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Ah guys, don't take it so serious..
I think they are new guys here. They surely didn't know that they can ask for "clanner except wxw".
The players who are here for a long time won't do this mistake :D
This situation is just so unimportant, that it doesn't need a 3-pages long topic ;)
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Why does this topic still exist? "Woow, big news! Very professional clan is avoiding someone!"
r u seriously ? should i write complains too ? database could be crashed coz of it xD
"Coi" is young clan, do u understand that ? Few players only start to play WA. We must support them, help, explain all. How the f@#! you wanna look for a newcomers on this site. If you blame the new players. Will it be so cool if they will stop to play clanners ?
We have to do nothing with avoiding, coz of our system of points. Maybe some "avoider's karma".
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aw, +1 Tomi
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Indeed +1 Tomi and Rogi
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You can see +1, -1 system to the posts would be cool! :D
( https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/tus-discussion/1-1-20470/ )
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Why does this topic still exist? "Woow, big news! Very professional clan is avoiding someone!"
r u seriously ? should i write complains too ? database could be crashed coz of it xD
"Coi" is young clan, do u understand that ? Few players only start to play WA. We must support them, help, explain all. How the f@#! you wanna look for a newcomers on this site. If you blame the new players. Will it be so cool if they will stop to play clanners ?
We have to do nothing with avoiding, coz of our system of points. Maybe some "avoider's karma".
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aw, +1 Tomi
It's besides the point if they're a " very pro clan(obviously you're joking)
But the point of this topic is to say; either learn to play schemes, designate before the game what schemes you'd prefer.
But when a clan refuses to play anything besides shopa or t17, they should get used to giving freewins (cause no one wants to play primarily luck based schemes, OR just don't clanner until they learn to play some other schemes.
Just because these players are noobs doesn't give them a free pass to avoid. And they need to be tought this before they continue this routine.
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Tomi/Rogi, yeah, fair enough, but this isn't the 1st clan to "avoid" and it's bad for new clans to learn such bad habits.
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how is your "support" concept? I'm asking it because i never saw anyone supporting nothing in TUS. If We really dont care about coI, We could play any pick what they agree to do, and We could get their points without any problem.
Also, no one coI member has been posted in that thread, so It sounds like They are no interested in how TUS works. So, imo, that discussion really is going to be useless. Reporting a free win most of the time is a lame, but unhapply sometimes people just learn in that way.
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Why does this topic still exist? "Woow, big news! Very professional clan is avoiding someone!"
r u seriously ? should i write complains too ? database could be crashed coz of it xD
"Coi" is young clan, do u understand that ? Few players only start to play WA. We must support them, help, explain all. How the f@#! you wanna look for a newcomers on this site. If you blame the new players. Will it be so cool if they will stop to play clanners ?
We have to do nothing with avoiding, coz of our system of points. Maybe some "avoider's karma".
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aw, +1 Tomi
if u replay something.. then make sure u read evrerything too dude.. its not just about coI.. and it happens 3rd time now to me that they avoid me the same way..
anyway.. i start to be lame as well.. asking for clanner/tus and not agree to my oppoentns pick.. since mods dont care about it..
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Ah guys, don't take it so serious..
I think they are new guys here. They surely didn't know that they can ask for "clanner except wxw".
The players who are here for a long time won't do this mistake :D
This situation is just so unimportant, that it doesn't need a 3-pages long topic ;)
problem is when ''the clan'' is choosing both schemes or only one, for example coI is ''only'' t17, shopper and wxw, we tried to play wxw and they refused, so will be only shopper n t17??? luckiest schemes? c'mon, that's ridiculous, this is a league, they are just betting to luck, they have to learn first all schemes before start asking for league games ... or well ... at least try to play with some clans and learn all schemes with experience, cuz they seem like SkZ bitches ...
And dude, they may be a 'young' clan, but they're not new players, they have their time playing, just look their register and i saw when they play individual games, they have played every scheme ... so why not in clanner?
Also, sm0k has an extremely good point, technically, these ridiculous rules mean we can ALL abuse the TuS points system, keep our points safe by avoiding whoever the hell we want @ whatever we want.
Anyone can avoid at any time, simply dont answer the "TUS anyone?". Someone Pm's you asking "clanner?" dont answer. You are in PO position and don't want to lose position by risking a loss in a clanner, simply dont answer, there are lots of ways to avoid. some are more viewable than others.
About this, they are not just ignoring, they are ASKING FOR clanner, there are a big diference between pick ''faster'' schemes than only such scheme, as well as asking for only '' default schemes'' or only ''rope schemes'' (here we have the chance to choose lol), they are picking both schemes ... is similar when for example im in ag asking for clanner ... and then appear any clan '' hey we clanner host up'' and then I ''ok, we will only roper n ttrr'' and maybe u wanna play other scheme ... here is when at least I THINK im losing the right to pick ... because they are simply picking what they want to play, not for time, not for ''disability'', just for they want to play it ...
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Why does this topic still exist? "Woow, big news! Very professional clan is avoiding someone!"
r u seriously ? should i write complains too ? database could be crashed coz of it xD
"Coi" is young clan, do u understand that ? Few players only start to play WA. We must support them, help, explain all. How the f@#! you wanna look for a newcomers on this site. If you blame the new players. Will it be so cool if they will stop to play clanners ?
We have to do nothing with avoiding, coz of our system of points. Maybe some "avoider's karma".
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aw, +1 Tomi
if u replay something.. then make sure u read evrerything too dude.. its not just about coI.. and it happens 3rd time now to me that they avoid me the same way..
anyway.. i start to be lame as well.. asking for clanner/tus and not agree to my oppoentns pick.. since mods dont care about it..
GROW UP!! yes mods dont care, if you want to ask for clanners in AG, then refuse after someone accepts just to prove some kind of point, then by all means go ahead lol.. im sure everyone will take notice to this mature response :DD
if you guys want to have another 4 pages of why this sucks so much, and why its so bad, and ignore all the facts monkeyisland presented stating this is a common "the grass is always greener on the other side" type of thing... then c'mon keep the posts flooding in...
or you can accept the facts, and the reality of this game.. and know (as ryan stated) this has been going on for well over a decade..
the best way to go about this is to try to come to an agreement... when a clan hit me with the "no roper plz" i love it, because i have about 4 other schemes i enjoy, and 1 i hate.... so i hit their ass with the "no hyst then puto" and we all get along happily...
big deal, a newb clan does not want to wxw?? really? get over it, damn.
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If that's the case, then we should be allowed to use our own custom made schemes to whatever rules we want as well.
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If that's the case, then we should be allowed to use our own custom made schemes to whatever rules we want as well.
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