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Leagues => Leagues Complaints => Topic started by: Chicken23 on August 25, 2009, 10:46 PM
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b2p have used an allais in ther clan called creatif. He has won many games for them but not been registered on the website. Ive already spoken to Wooka about this. He is unique and is listed in CF. He has played clanners for CF this seaosn as unique and then 7 or 8 under creatif for b2p.
This is cheating and unfair. Espically as for the clans that got beat, which encludes quite a few and now makes b2p first and able to take part in playoffs.
However is seems Unique is now wearing both tags. How can he be in two clans at once? If he has left CF for b2p then fair enough. But what about the games he played while he was using the allais creatif? Some kind of punishment needs to take place here in my opinion because although he may not be allaising now. He still was and played 8 games while breaking the rules.
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I'm avare of this situation. Unique says Monkeyisland knows about it, but let's hear it from him.
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If only I could understand the point of doing this...
Anyway, I would suggest deleting those games and banning for the rest of the season.
Let's hear Monkey.
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Unique just told me yesterday.
Before doing anything, I guess it is better Unique himself reply to this thread first.
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aww
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First of all, Unique tryed to make an account on the site, but he put a wrong e-mail, so he couldn't register in.
Second, Unique is registered in b2p on the website, and CF doesn't clanner anymore atm.
So there is no problem.
To finish, he wears 2 tags, true; but there is a difference between those 2:
- CF is worn as a Community (such as b2b).
- b2p as a clan.
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Alright then.
Due some issues in CF the clan went inactive @ clan league. I can explain all of the events we do and what's going on in CF but I think that's not the point right now.
Since I really like to play clanners and b2p asked me to join their clan I decided to have a chat with SPW about joining that clan with the possibility I have to leave in a few seasons to CF again if they started to be active again. CF is a very close clan and I talk daily with them on the microphone so you can see my tag as 'friend' tag now. I still play other games with them (not only worms).
The leader of CF said it wasn't a problem to leave CF to play some clanners. That way I also keep a part of my shape and enjoyable things @ W:A. I didn't use my real nickname because I had in my mind as well that I had to return back to CF when they are getting active again. (b2p knows this as well) Ofcourse b2p and CF knew about this. Also that creatif was unique. Also mablak knew about this. More players I didn't tell about it because it wasn't really anything of their business. I don't play that much clanners nowadays anymore and I just wanted to have fun with the b2p-boys.
But after some clanners that took about a week (plus minus) I saw that I had to stay longer in b2p because CF doesn't show any activity at the clanner league at the moment. (explained above). So I contacted Monkey and I explained him what was going on. After the chat with him I also changed my nickname to CF-Unique'b2p because I am part of the CF community.
Most of you would think: Why would he care about CF? I only can say: You have to be part of CF to experience it. It’s more then just a worms clan. I play Poker with them, I talk with them daily on the microphone and have a nice chat. There even are meetings and stuff. It’s just a multi-gaming clan and not only for worms. It’s clan to have fun with eachother on every platform. (PC for example)
I didn’t break any rule I just played under an other name for a couple of games. But before you all knew anything about Creatif I spoke to monkeyisland about it that I was creatif (+story) and I changed my nickname to CF-Unique’b2p. (explained above).
Well I could probably add more to this message or give you more details but I guess this is enough for the community. I have no reason to defend myself or discuss about it with people who think different about it. Cause a lot people know the real truth behind the thoughts of people.
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First of all, Unique tryed to make an account on the site, but he put a wrong e-mail, so he couldn't register in.
Yeah, right: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/profile/Unique/. Unique registered on November 20th, 2008.
Alright then....
I don't care. I play poker with my friends in RL and I didn't need to change my passport for that.
You can officially join b2p here on TUS site and then play clanners with them. Simple. Wear 20 tags after that, if you want. And the fact is you aliased in a league game. You played a lot of leagues before, so tell me where was that considered ok.
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If I would have played more games with creatif you never would have known it was an alias since you had zero proof. It's a decision from myself to change to CF-Unique'b2p (read above)
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Your decision to have 2 tags doesn't matter here. What matters is what clan you were in when you played the games for b2p under an alias - you were in CF.
If I would have played more games with creatif you never would have known it was an alias since you had zero proof.
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-7681/
I knew that Creatif is an alias here, that's why I was asking Flori who he played with. It doesn't prove it was you, but you admit that yourself.
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I always was in CF, like I said: It's a multi gaming clan. This doesn't mean that I played league games at worms armaggedon for them. I just wear it cause im loyal to CF.
I only played for b2p at the league, and I still do. So saying that I was in CF is true, because I'm still active in CF in other events the clan organizes. But what isn't true is that I was playing clanners for them at W:A. That's out of the book. I only was in b2p @ W:A TUS.
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Creatif played clanners in the season 7 with b2p
Unique played 2 clanners in the season 7 with CF. (10 august and 24 july lol)
b2p and CF didn't play clanners against eachother in the season 7.
b2p is registered since 12 August (so after CF played their clanners)
I don't see where is the problem, Unique played his clanners ONLY before b2p has been registered, and Creatif played his clanners once b2p has been registered.
First of all, Unique tryed to make an account on the site, but he put a wrong e-mail, so he couldn't register in.
Yeah, right: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/profile/Unique/. Unique registered on November 20th, 2008.
Abnaxus was saying Unique tried to make an account on the site with "Creatif" nick, so it isn't in November 20th, 2008. As he put a wrong e-mail, he couldn't confirm the registration or connect himself to the site (and also accept the invitation).
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Ok i ll alias then and join b2p and play clanners with you and my real clan RoH, is that ok for you guys? :P
Well seriously if this isnt a clear case of breaking a rule then i dont know... you guys should be less emotional and think more rationally...
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Nah you suck too much. xD j/k
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:P
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Well seriously if this isnt a clear case of breaking a rule then i dont know... you guys should be less emotional and think more rationally...
Why don't you start yourself ?
You didn't even read what Flori and Unique said, that you're "joking" on the complaint.
Ok i ll alias then and join b2p and play clanners with you and my real clan RoH, is that ok for you guys? :P
Unique played b2p clanner after CF stopped clanning.
And it's quite different to what you're saying.
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Well the simple fact that he didnt use his real nick when he joined you makes me think thats theres something cheesy about this. But seems like you are right saying that he started clannering for b2p when CF stopped.
Best would have been if he joined b2p as Unique, as simple as that. Would have prevented a discussion like this breaking out now. Either this or a short word to the leagues mod here if he wants to change his name.
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He didn't want to take his real nick, cause he had to leave CF, join b2p and join CF again (if they would be back in clanning).
And in this case, it would be, join b2p with other nick, and take back Unique if CF is back.
It's easier, and like that, he's still in CF.
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He didn't want to take his real nick, cause he had to leave CF, join b2p and join CF again (if they would be back in clanning).
And in this case, it would be, join b2p with other nick, and take back Unique if CF is back.
It's easier, and like that, he's still in CF.
Bl, but that's how it is. Playing under two different nicks in one league isn't allowed, it never was, it never will be.
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I don't care. I play poker with my friends in RL and I didn't need to change my passport for that.
+1
+ Unique, xD
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It seems to me unique would of carried on as creatif if people didnt start to question who he was and how i got evidence that it was unique. Then he decides to come out and admit it creatif was unique thinking hes done nothing wrong.
What you are doing now unique, with CF as community and b2p clanning, cus ur now in the b2p profile is 100% fine.
But what you did before was alaising and cheating. You should of done that in the first place instead of using creatif. Thats where you broke the rules. As i said, you would of carried on cheating if it wasnt for people realising that something fishy was going on. You broke the rules for 7 odd games. You should of atlest left CF and joined b2p with unique name for it to be legal. Not come up with a name, stay in CF profile as unique, and clan for b2p as creatif regardless of what you and your CF 'family' agreed to.
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Chicken why do u search a fight. Unique stopped playing for CF when he joined b2p with Creatif nick. This complaint really suck man, he didn't play for both clan, there is no problems. It's same than Sogeking in this case.
Look
"Sogeking joined CKC and didn't play any clanner with Shyguy nick and wL clan since he joined."
"Creatif joind b2p and didn't play any clanner with Unique nick and CF clan since he joined."
Exaclty same, alias are forbidden because you are not allowed to play at the same season with 2 nicks and 2 clans, or it would change stats of everybody and get unfair
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Its different because:
- wL is dead
- Shyguy had not played clanners for wL and CKC in current season
- We asked MonkeyIsland if we were allowed to do this as he wanted a fresh start from previous name.
Exaclty same, alias are forbidden because you are not allowed to play at the same season with 2 nicks and 2 clans, or it would change stats of everybody and get unfair
Unique did play same season with 2 nicks and 2 clans. Unique for CF. Creatif for b2p. It doesn't matter if CF had not played games since Unique did for b2p. He still played in same season.
You have won those games fairly flori. It would be harsh if they were voided and i admit i started this thread to cause trouble with you and your clan. I feel guilty because dibz asked me not to tell anyone and i did. I don't care if the games stay because it is only a game.
My main aim was to show everyone that you guys are lame and unique went about this in the wrong way. He did make an alais. He should of asked MI if he could play as creatif or make unique account leave CF and join b2p. Its the lack of respect to the leagues and its players that pisses me off. If you had gone about this in the right way. (like we did with sogeking and shyguy) then there would not be a problem. But you kept it a serect, didnt envolve the league admins and had unique switching between both names. You even got him to use french flag and speaking french.
Imagine if CKC became inactive for the duration of the season. I decided i wanted to clan more but because i love CKC so much and been leading it for 10 years i didnt want to leave CKC. So i create a new name. Change my flag to swedish and join a new clan and speak swedish and play for them. Is that fair? No.
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Its the lack of respect to the leagues and its players that pisses me off.
Same here.
Guys, how about thinking about a solution? Monkey, can you somehow change the stats, put Unique into b2p and also change those games in a way it affects his ratings? Or is this too complicated?
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Unique is already b2p btw.
Well Chicken, the 2 games Unique played with CF aren't important : CF isn't in competition (last of current season). It is same as if he would never played that games. + I'm sure he had forgotten them when he joined us with Creatif nick.
And Creatif didn't speak french (or only sometimes with his own words to say some noob things ^^.
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Guys, how about thinking about a solution? Monkey, can you somehow change the stats, put Unique into b2p and also change those games in a way it affects his ratings? Or is this too complicated?
What stats? Clanners do not affect single stats.
"Sogeking joined CKC and didn't play any clanner with Shyguy nick and wL clan since he joined."
"Creatif joind b2p and didn't play any clanner with Unique nick and CF clan since he joined."
Sogeking came clean to me before registering an account on TUS and playing any games + He is not using ShyGuy account anymore. (In other words I can delete ShyGuy account)
How many games are we talking about?
ps, Where's WookA?
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It's 7 or 8 games, according to Chicken23, I didn't check.
Its the lack of respect to the leagues and its players that pisses me off.
Well put, that's how I feel, too.
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Creatif played 8 games :
7447, 7680, 7739, 7743, 7744, 7745, 7764, 7765
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Monkey, I meant editing the stats the way like it happened as Unique played them. I don't know exactly how the stats are affected by the games... ;\
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sorry i was busy yesterday... what unique did here is clearly breaking the rules, i brought this to monkeys attention a few days ago(before unique did) and we were trying to think of how to deal with it the right way, unique can say we didnt have proof but we did and still do, but theres no need to throw anyone under a bus for a situation unique already admitted to
this is clearly aliasing and unique has been banned from other leagues before for doing the same thing
i dont care that cf and b2p didnt play eachother unique played as 2 different players in the SAME season, and flori and his m8s let that happen knowing that he couldnt register another account(even tho flori promised in one of b2ps game comments)
theres a couple ways i think we could handle this
1. ban unique for next season(this ones almost over)
2. delete all of the games that creatif played in and let unique continue playing in b2p AS UNIQUE(i like this one)
the clan you are in at tus has nothing to do with talking with friends on a microphone etc. i dont see how that should help your case, you could join b2p and still talk with friends, and im sure if they got active again they would let you rejoin
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I see, wooka is in CKC, CKC isn't in PO, so lets delete games...
I didn't know you on this way.
Why u want to delete the games, we played and won them (most of them), we didn't get advantage because it was Creatif and not Unique. No reason to delete lol, it wasn't CF vs b2p also.
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I agree that is a kind of breaking rules.
Without being biased, I think Unique should get a blame (don't know which one).
But the things which shock me, is WHY you want him to get punished; I mean this:
Its the lack of respect to the leagues and its players that pisses me off.
Same here.
Every noobs you get in the league is a lack of respect to this one.
And every noobs insulting other players is a lack of respect to those last.
I just mean, you are banning a great minded player, whereas you let all the stupid ones free.
It's just the point I can't understand.
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I just mean, you are banning a great minded player, whereas you let all the stupid ones free.
It's just the point I can't understand.
You are saying the point yourself :)
This whole thing is exactly because a great minded player did such a thing. Who cares what a newbie does?
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I see, wooka is in CKC, CKC isn't in PO, so lets delete games...
Its foolish to think Wooka would be biased in any way handling this complaint... hes a mod on tus which means he doesnt take side for any1 here.
Edit: Rok and Monkeyisland are not in CKC and they surprisingly see it the same way as Wooka..
But the things which shock me, is WHY you want him to get punished; I mean this:
Its the lack of respect to the leagues and its players that pisses me off.
Same here.
The thing that shocks me is that you think hes getting punished because some1 is pissed off about peoples behavior...
Get over this already, Unique broke a league rule so he gets punished... I think Wooka already made some fair proposals.
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Moderators, please do something about guys like Beer, they are f@#!ing boring.
No argue, spamming, insulting and a lot more.
EDIT: I am always trying to delete beer's spams. Xray99
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I see, wooka is in CKC, CKC isn't in PO, so lets delete games...
I didn't know you on this way.
Why u want to delete the games, we played and won them (most of them), we didn't get advantage because it was Creatif and not Unique. No reason to delete lol, it wasn't CF vs b2p also.
with those games gone ckc wouldnt be in the PO anyway
and b2p would be, ill stay out of this one i guess since im ckc
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ok, Let's close this. It's not leading us anywhere good.
A rule is broken and it has its own punishment. That's all.
Unique is my friend and nearly all of you guys. I know Unique's reasons, And it is understandable. But whether it is understandable or not, It shouldn't change the punishment.
A thief may steal something because of so many big reasons, but all the judge that cares is that the law is broken, Even he has the best reason in the world.
A search on the name Creatif in the games:
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/search/creatif-1/
Brings up 9 games actually.
Talking to other mods, Final decision:
These games will be deleted. (The ones which creatif is the player not spectator)
Since Unique came clean at the middle of the road, No ban for him. A warn will be given. Unique can continue play clanners as b2p.
creatif account will be deleted.
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Only 7446 get Creatif as Spectator, all others, he's player.
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hi for real now.
who is deleting my posts? this shit looks like fb when kiros used edit and delete posts?
i cant say wtf i think?! who da fuk is so bad mod to do this?!
all my posts here have been deleted.
if anymore dnt want me in tus, post here ill leave, otherwise stop deleting my posts! i wanna say what i think.
edit: so ist that u ray? was that u learn when u was mod in fb? wha shame, deleting posts without no reasen. ur actitud is ungly for this league.
if u do that again as u have been done. ill not back to this leage.
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what i tryed to say is : b2p should be banned, also theire inlarge members since they alowd this.
omg is this spam?! fu ray........
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ill alias and play clanner and nothing will happen to me. thanks stff! :D
now im a happy man
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who is deleting my posts?
I do.
Now stop spamming.
This case is solved, so this thread should be locked.
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Yes, it was enough.
*locked*
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EDIT FOR BEER: I was deleting your posts because they were senseless and (in my opinion) they looked like spam. I am sorry for not warning you before doing it, I know I committed a mistake with this, you are right in this matter, I apologize.