I'll ask you mods to watch this replay please....
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-106782/
FIRSTQuoteYour aim must be readjusted before every shot. Crosshair must adjust over 45 degrees from its original positio
... these mm guys don't re aim as it has to be.... rules says
They don't even do that... they just do a little taps which can be done easily having a cool precision with the taps...
These re aim's happens at:
7:07 He doesn't move the aim 45 degrees, he is looking to the left, and then he looks to the right to give the shot, he hits me without re aiming
At 12:29 This guy doesn't even move his aim to shot... and he takes part of my Hide and we got just 4 teleports...(if they play like that should be at least more teles)
At 16:48 he hits me doing a fast re aim that can be easily done with simple taps
SECONDQuoteGirders may be used for bouncing purposes only. Destroy the girder before continuing if placed incorrectly.
That's TUS rules...
At minute 23:32 Shyguy puts a girder in order to do bounces... HE JUST DID 1 BOUNCE! which is his next turn after putting the girder... this is cool, not a problem BUT...
At minute 23:58 Shyguy teleports to a hide which is made by the girder He already Put... Girders can't be used as defense! can they?
We told him that and he just said STFU and he had to destroy that girder according to TUS rules...
Please check this...
Tnx
Things like this makes BNG really boring, peoples bitch for everything...aff
First of all, i never told anyone to STFU, that was all avi.
Second of all, I re-aimed every shot... you are referring to Avi... he didn't mean to not reaim those times... he never even hit you in those cases, either. the penalty for not reaiming is to hit yourself and try to cause the same damage you caused to the worm... avi did 0 damage to you... does not apply, sorry... if it does, that is ridiculous.
third of all, i placed a girder and used it to bounce and shortly after got knocked with a nade and teleported. The girder never blocked a potential shot from bfw, it didn't change the outcome at all.. i was willing to take the consequences if you did hit the girder.. i needed a hide badly. You never hit the girder, so how was i using it as cover?
Quote from: ShyGuy on April 12, 2012, 02:44 AM
third of all, i placed a girder and used it to bounce and shortly after got knocked with a nade and teleported. The girder never blocked a potential shot from bfw, it didn't change the outcome at all.. i was willing to take the consequences if you did hit the girder.. i needed a hide badly. You never hit the girder, so how was i using it as cover?
You practically used the girder to make a hide... do you thing a 3 second nade could be done with that girder blocking the way? you blocked the chance to hit you because if the girder wasn't there, even with a zooka you could die, and you teleported where you had angle to shot... AND THAT ANGLE WAS MADE BY THE GIRDER
King you really need to relax on your re-aim fetish. I've had numerous problems with you before over this.
i'll let other mods handle this. no rules bng is my vote
Quote from: K1NG on April 12, 2012, 02:58 AM
Quote from: ShyGuy on April 12, 2012, 02:44 AM
third of all, i placed a girder and used it to bounce and shortly after got knocked with a nade and teleported. The girder never blocked a potential shot from bfw, it didn't change the outcome at all.. i was willing to take the consequences if you did hit the girder.. i needed a hide badly. You never hit the girder, so how was i using it as cover?
You practically used the girder to make a hide... do you thing a 3 second nade could be done with that girder blocking the way? you blocked the chance to hit you because if the girder wasn't there, even with a zooka you could die, and you teleported where you had angle to shot... AND THAT ANGLE WAS MADE BY THE GIRDER
"- Girders may be used for bouncing purposes only. Destroy the girder before continuing if placed incorrectly."
When i placed the girder, it was correct. The rule does not elaborate on what happens after that. think of all the turns i would have to waste if what you're saying is true... probably 2 turns to destroy the girder fully, then another turn to teleport... yeah, letting you get 3 free shots at me in a row is not fair at all... also, don't forget, that girder impeded my angle, too... i was only hitting your worm for low-ish damage, cos that was all i could do with that angle.
maybe that girder did block the chance for a 3 sec nade... did you ever hit the girder to see if that were true? no.. you didn't.. the girder didn't change anything
I could see where the concern would be if you actually had a nade hit the girder and was prevented damage, but that didn't happen... there is nothing to complain about... you had plenty of chances to hit me and the girder, you didn't deliver... the end.
Quote from: ShyGuy on April 12, 2012, 03:11 AM
When i placed the girder, it was correct. The rule does not elaborate on what happens after that.
Well if the Girder disappeared magically when you teleported there, thats ok, but girder was there, and you put it there
Quote from: ShyGuy on April 12, 2012, 03:11 AM
think of all the turns i would have to waste if what you're saying is true... probably 2 turns to destroy the girder fully, then another turn to teleport... yeah, letting you get 3 free shots at me in a row is not fair at all
Is not our problem that you cowed putting the girder there, you had to destroy it no matter what
Quote from: ShyGuy on April 12, 2012, 03:11 AM
also, don't forget, that girder impeded my angle, too... i was only hitting your worm for low-ish damage, cos that was all i could do with that angle.
BnG scheme doesn't have Low Gravity to make the weapons list look sexy... is there to be used, and if you don't know how to do it, sorry for you
Quote from: ShyGuy on April 12, 2012, 03:11 AM
maybe that girder did block the chance for a 3 sec nade... did you ever hit the girder to see if that were true? no.. you didn't.. the girder didn't change anything
lol... Gabriel had to aim to a place where the nade could get in... he hardly could hit the girder because he was not aiming there... just think about it, if girder wasn't there, he aims to that place.
im drunk..... as i was in all games i played tonight... ( i just lost a roper vs your clan cuz im drunk)
but as far as i can remember, without watching your replay, i did reaim....
i reaim out of habit, i aim all the way up, before i start to shoot agian, all the while tapping f2, and focusing left and right with my worm.... lets see you do that all your turn...
or wait, you cant.. cuz ur thumb is on the screen like komos, ae?
dude.. ur lame.... we beat you fair and ur mad....
lets also mention that the shot you went nuts on about me reaiming.. YOU TELEPORTED!!!!!!!
what do i need to "re-aim" at, when im shooting at a totally different target???
when i told u to STFU.. it was for a reason... so you dont come here and make urself look like a fool :D i g2g bed now.. f@#!, gna be so tired at work.. gnight
Quote from: avirex on April 12, 2012, 03:29 AM
or wait, you cant.. cuz ur thumb is on the screen like komos, ae?
ROFL... if you look around, there's a post where I was fighting with Komo about that... i lost the respect I had to Komo for doing that...(And i know he doesn't care lol)
I don't put my thumb to re-aim, if i Did... i would not fail my shots... that's lame :P
Quotedude.. ur lame.... we beat you fair and ur mad....
I'm not lame ^^ and YES I'M MAD because you guys didn't beat us fairly
i love the separate colors you use in your posts, they are pretty.
ae кiNg
you can't just say you know the girder blocked me... none of your shots even came close to the girder, that's not a fair argument. You could have used low gravity, like I did. and yes, the girder blocked my angles, too. I don't think i could have hit you full on with a 3 sec nade. there's nothing in the rules that cover this situation, k1ng... you lost... give it up
7:07, The worm was hit previous turn and moved from its last position, his previous turn was zook and he did a nade and the new hit wasn't planned according to the previous shot.
12:29, The shot didn't cause any damage.
16:48, Same scenario as 7:07. Moved because of getting hit, previous shot was nade, new shot was zook and wasn't planned.
23:58, That is actually a rule being broken and it affected the rest of the game. If it was allowed to do such thing, then people would place their girder, use it for bouncing for 2 turns and then hide under it. (Thanks KRD for helping on this)
My vote is to void the game because of the girder rule. However I'll ask another mod to post in.
@avirex,
Why you gotta keep coming strong on people? you are warned.
good job king, boycott MM
i think shyguy was hit after the girder... its not like he tossed two nades, and then hid under it...
he was attacked, forcing him to move......
as shy all ready said, the gird was never zooked, or even a nade bounce on it.. that gird was untouched....
MI: your right, i guess i was a dick, sorry k1ng...
if you feel it should be voided, then void it.. no big deal... i think many people would disagree on that though :X
NAiL, please, im begging you and your clan, dont boycott mm :(
Quote from: K1NG on April 12, 2012, 04:11 AM
ROFL... if you look around, there's a post where I was fighting with Komo about that... i lost the respect I had to Komo for doing that...(And i know he doesn't care lol)
I don't put my thumb to re-aim, if i Did... i would not fail my shots... that's lame :P
I've already explained this before, but i'll say it again just incase, I very rarely use my thumb on the screen, I only do it if I am short on time, now I will elaborate on this, for example, if I was minimised, and I came back and have 7 seconds left, I don't have time to check their hide and see if they moved and then reaim and check if it's right, or if it's the same, so I do the thumb thing, this is just as bad as it is good in my experience because on too many occasions I haven't seen my opponent move hide and I just re-aimed and done the shot again where they used to be.
Even if I was to use my thumb on every single shot I miss, 1. I think it's a great, clever, witty method and it saves time, and also people use similar methods to aim kamikaze, or other things in WA. 2. I usually hit 1st turn anyway, and if/when I do miss, it's usually because the power was wrong, not because of the aim, so using my thumb wouldn't even give me any help whatsoever because I need to get the power right.
As regarding this game, avi asked me for my opinion, so here it is:
Regarding rules, technically I feel the game should be voided because of the girder and how it affected the game(this reminds me of the game where I think it was mm, not sure, took the wrong punishment for a sitter which had a huge impact on the game, especially tactically), I think I know ShyGuy well enough to think he isn't that kind of guy who would abuse rules like that intentionally, he's always been fair with me in BnG, and I feel he has a point about the girder rule that should be elaborated on although in it's literal sense "Girders should be used for bouncing purpose only" to me implies, don't use it for cover, before or after, regardless, but some people might not understand that so I feel it should be dealt with perhaps?
Maybe people should relax on the re-aim rule? For me, as long as my opponent at least aims 100% vertically straight up, or down, before they shoot again, it's all good. And maybe also people should pay a bit more attention in future?
the girder rule is pretty flawed then. I would have had to waste a turn or two destroying the girder, plus another turn to teleport, all while he takes free shots at me....
there were worse hides than the one i was in with the girder... the one worm on the far right had a ridiculously annoying hide... my girder gives me a little cover and you use that as an excuse just because you sucked end game? whatever
void game
I agree Shy, I actually am in favour for being able to use girders for cover as long as the opponent still has a direct hit at you.
Did mods forgot about this topic? :'(
Quote from: franz on April 12, 2012, 03:09 AM
i'll let other mods handle this. no rules bng is my vote
Mod rebellion! If all of them refuse to solve BnG Complaints people will have to play no rules. :D
Not gonna bother looking at this replay, but the girder rule is flawed to the point of being useless. Any girder you place will cause protection from some particular shot. Personally I think girders should be removed, even in NRBnG.
Quote from: Mablak on April 19, 2012, 11:23 PMPersonally I think girders should be removed, even in NRBnG.
Why?
Quote from: Mablak on April 19, 2012, 11:23 PM
Any girder you place will cause protection from some particular shot.
Can't disagree ;D
Quote from: Komito on April 20, 2012, 05:36 AM
Quote from: Mablak on April 19, 2012, 11:23 PMPersonally I think girders should be removed, even in NRBnG.
Why?
Because ideally, we'd like to avoid BnG turning into a build-the-best-hide competition. Just feels healthier to give people infinite teleport and let them move into new hides freely.
How many complaints more until you guys realize BnG has been flawed for a decade.
Oh never mind, you guys have realized that already, how long is the road to dosomethingaboutitville?
lol ropa XD
but ye, bng is like these girls full of shit!
"oh dont touch my leg like this"
" hey where you go with that finger?"
" i dont do blowjobs, respect me"
" turn the light off, iam shy"
" dont even try to touch my ass, iam not a slut"
Thats bng :)
bl nino
lol im with nino :P
and i never liked girders in bng, i purposely dont use them just to avoid things like this
I voided the game. However BnG scheme will be changed, probably at the start of season 27.