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Leagues => Leagues Complaints => Topic started by: style on April 24, 2015, 03:35 PM
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Dear Mods,
vesuvio reported Game #189513 as win (BnG), despite the fact that his final shot was a sitter since the nade sit for longer than 1/4 seconds. Plus he was hiding darkside for a really long time, ingame I said I wouldn't care too much but I didn't expect that he would report this since I told him he did a cow and he is immediately losing after such happening. Unfortunately he isn't smart enough to check rules himself or admit he cow'd...
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-189513/
darkside hiding playback @ 25:56
final sitter shot @ 50:15 (nade sit for 0.30s, if you look closer..)
P.S.: Vesuvio, it's sad to see you are in need of 'free wins'.. gg
Regards,
style
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Last shot only sat for 0.04s.
It wasn't a sitter.
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yep proofed the bng rules before report. btw other things are more sad
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I would not call that a sitter either lol.
BnG is becoming a joke anyway, half the players don't even know the rules, the others just argue constantly about /ts... Maybe it is time to replace it with Intermediate :P
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no but intermediate as scheme would be cool thoguht ! but there is a huge problem with rounds played maybe just 1 round is a bit unfair in this scheme
but hey d be cool alltime win scheme ^^
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BnG is fun. Most ppl just don't even try to learn it.
Beside the nade, if it was a sitter or not, why does no one say anything about the darkside hiding? He says it was no darksiding at all, cuz in his opinion I could've hit him easily with a few shots. Okay, maybe - but this does not change the fact of hiding darkside..
It's ridicolous to say it was no sitter since the nade more stucked than bounced in that hole. He just played lame, too bad this is not any kind of rule.. He didn't even try to attack me with a direct hit and kept on playing like a dick that would even risk a - let's say REAL - cow.
If you guys want to respond this thread, then please comment both facts. Dont try to sweep it under the carpet.
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BnG is great, it used to be one of my favourite schemes :) But I would never pick it in league atm because of all the arguments it causes, I just can't be bothered with it.
His hide was darkside yeah, I don't agree with you about the sitter though. Doesn't matter what I think anyway, it is for the mods to decide.
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the much it hzrts to have to say this style, but if u say my hide was a darkside hide because it had to be opened with 3 shots ( what u actually did in the round i had to switch hide) i can blame ur hides as darkside too! because u nearly always had something that gave ur worm cover !!!
u think its a darkside hide because it was the most right spot of the map? hmmm but after ur shots i took girder to not drop. and im sure there was a possibility to do a direct nade shot and plop ALL the time but as u was on the very left side... but i dont wanna play the better or knower here hope for other opinions...
to the end of the game, for me its very clear that both of ous are bng noobs our played like noobs. it got so emberassing in the end that i just did this easy nade.
i also tried some max 4sec and some lg zook shots plz excuse im rly no good bng player and its not so usual to play it for me
see i think bng is a nice scheme in wich u can IMPROVE alot . alot ! and its pitty players avoid learnen it to be real player
to not luck arround with nade and zook so to handle those weapons like sure shots and known shots
im glad almog style and maybe more are still playen bng its pitty cause here u can get alot of real skill
if these nades and zooks are real at all
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style, u didn't tell him to change hide, did u? Anyway, this game will be void coz of darkside i guess.
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whats wrong with u
darksiding is 5x torch in the ground and a drill
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No disrespect, but I'm tired to read your whole post again since you spammed me with this in ag already..
BUT: if you say anything about darkside hiding, please check the actual meaning of it. ;) LOLOLOL
@Senator: I told him ingame, that I'm not even sure if darkside hiding is allowed.At least not the way he did.. But he claimed on like "oh, thats easy to hit from your spot, 3 shots blahblahshitz.."
Edit:
Extract of the rules: .. - Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position. [...]
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ok joke away if u didnt even read why should sum1 care for u ?
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No disrespect, but I'm tired to read your whole post again since you spammed me with this in ag already..
Overflown it, you brain..
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why do u think its an darkside hide and plz give me a link for darkside hiding where can i read something of it..
komo it was possible to throw a nade also zook wind shot was possible . could it be that this hide was cheap and an easy invitation for a plop kill ?
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The trouble is, vesuvio was in a hide where he can actually be hit with a nade, however that would require stylez to move.
I would classify the turn which vesuvio moved as a darkside because he can't be hit with a grenade at stylez distance/angle but all it would take is for stylez to move into a position where he could 3s or 5s LG and get an easy plop shot, so I wouldn't call it a true darkside.
As you can see with the 2nd shot of the attached replay, it's very possible to plop him easily, I also chose a hide that was able to use in that game.
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watch this its no darkside
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He can be hit with nade yeah, but he cannot hit style with a nade so it is a darkside hide no?
A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position. [...]
I only looked at the replay once but I think vesu only did 20 damage to style while in an illegal position. So for it to be fair he would have to win by more than 20hp
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wich time there cant be illegal spots as long there are infitive tels zooks nades 0o u can always open or shotgun open i mean
darkside sounds for me like rly usen 5torches into the ground, BUT IM NO BNG EXPERT its my view
the bng wants u to always have a clear attack field on the opponent ?
but u can work with ur weapons also have a tactic but its just my view n othen fin
still i think its no darkside hide at all if i can hit him (the worm in the darkside hide so me ^^)with 1 nade like i did
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spleen that rule means it has to be both for it to be darkside, the reason being is because people get pushed into position where they cannot hit with nade many times but can still use wind, you can't punish someone just because they got hit, and having a valid wind to shoot them should still count.
Basically means if you can't hit them with a grenade or be hit with a grenade (meaning both at same time), THEN it's a darkside.
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then shouldn't it say AND instead of OR?
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then shouldn't it say AND instead of OR?
I edited my post btw, had to add that last part.
Another way to explain it would be like, if one player can hit the other with a grenade it's ok, but if both players can't hit each other with a grenade, it's darkside.
Like I said, if the rule meant how you interpret it, then that would mean most shots where the worm is pushed into a horrible hide is a forced darkside.
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watch this its no darkside
vesuvio, seriously, WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU ON?? What kind of replay is that? For starters, the worms are supposed to be anchored... I can't even...
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nah i just uploaded the wrong replay srys
and ye for the nade throw i didnt anchored the worms , does this make a difference to the nade throw ?
if ye ur replay still shows it was not a darkside hide
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Oh right, I see what you mean. A clearer way of saying that would be:
"A darkside is considered a place where you can neither hit OR be hit with a nade."
But this is exactly my point with this scheme, I have an English degree and fail to understand the rules, and yet someone like Vesu with limited English is expected to understand it perfectly :)
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i could use an dictonary or waste bit more time on my sentences if u rly have problems to read a sense out of what i say :P
did understand bng rules. its just no darksiding, if u can hit the hide with 1 nade,zook. or are able to destroy the hide in less than 3turns.
u rly want me to learn english now :S nice
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its just no darksiding, if u can hit the hide with 1 nade,zook. or are able to destroy the hide in less than 3turns.
You just described what a darkside hide is. LOL
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i think its ur imagination . all of ur hides were not open to hit. should i say they are darkside hides ? no u d say its no darkside hide .. what about ur hide left on map beyond the grape stern and next to some other parts of map wich made it even better hide , isnt that darkside ?
oh ok i hide behind a big cactus now u got to throw a nade above the cactus or get the way free in 2shots ....
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lol komo... your interpreting the rules how you think they should be? or what?...
i think it is meant to be how it was written... "if you cant hit with a nade OR be hit with a nade".... not AND...
spleen was right the first time, i believe...
when your worm gets pushed into a darkside spot, i think its just an un-wirtten rule if you get wind, you can take the shot... you cant force a worm to teleport, rather then take a zook shot if you pushed him into the "darkside" spot... but once you dont have wind, you can not just skip, or toss nades to water, etc... you have to tele.
but, thats all besides the point...vesuvios hide was for sure a darkside... he could not hit with a nade, or be hit with a nade.. does that mean he could not hit with a nade if he had teleported?? of course not... would be stupid to say "its not a darkside, he can hit if he teleports" or "its not a darkside, he can open me with a couple of good zooks" this is damn bng, not hysteria...
however, the last shot was not a sitter, it was legal...
im not even sure how anyone can argue if that's a darkside of not... in my opinion, there is no question...
the only real question is, will mods think the darkside is enough reason to void the game.
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It's what I said it is because every player I have ever played who has been pushed where they cannot hit back with a grenade would be darksiding for trying to use bazooka, and I have played countless games where the player has sat doing exactly that, sitting waiting for wind to zook.
A darkside is only a true darkside if either player can't hit each other no matter what they do, both players must be able to somehow hit each other for it to be ok, whether it's a bazooka or a grenade, if player A can hit player B but player B can't hit player A or vice versa, then it's a darkside.
I am saying this isn't a darkside because they can both hit each other, vesuvio with zooks and stylez with zooks and nades.
If a MOD voids this game because of vesuvios hide, then not only are they completely stupid and shouldn't be a MOD for BnG, they should go back and void every single BnG where people have hid like this, and i'll say this, i've won at least 10, including clanners, where people have hid like this and i've managed to kill them easily.
Just to be clear, hiding like vesuvio did is like the most stupid thing you can do in a BnG against a good player.
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he teleported to a darkside hide. thats a fact... your stretching the rules to fit your views, and how you think they should be. with your set of fairy tail rules komo, there is absolutely no such thing as a darkside. ("nope, watch this replay.. if you teleport to position x, you can throw one, 5 second nade, with max bounce, and a low angle, if you bank off that one pixel, you have a chance to hit him for exactly 3hp!! its not a darkside")
with a teleport, you get 1pro, and 1 con... pro: being you get to change location, to a desired hide... con: being that you forfeit your turn, and can not attack.
so why should vesuvio be able to teleport to a hide that forces stylez to teleport, and forfeit his attack? its not fair, its a darkside.
the only question, as i said before, is if the mods think the darkside is worthy of a void game... (even if komo thinks they will be 'completely stupid')
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he teleported to a darkside hide. thats a fact...
No he didn't, he can still be hit, your stupidity doesn't allow you to know that.
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dude, talking to you is like talking to a wall... actually, im not even sure a wall is as stubborn as you...
the rules: - Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade. Simply teleport/move to another position.
komo's interpretation of the rules: - Darksiding is not allowed. A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR AND be hit with a nade.edit: from ANY POSSIBLE hide your opponent might teleport to Simply teleport/move to another position.
yes komo, we all understand that if stylez teleported closer, a nade is possible... *claps*
stylez should not have to leave his hide, because vesuvio decided to darkside... yet, im the stupid one? ok.. gotcha... ill leave this thread now, i dont want to turn re-birth the avi vs. komo era.
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Nevermind leave the thread you should leave the f@#!ing planet.
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ok, while im leaving the planet, can you post some more replays of your amazing shots... show us another plop shot, if stylez would have teleported. :D
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erm i figured this out and i must say some nades throws are not easy to do but possible
if u watch this replay u can skip first turn and go ahead to 2mins or 1:55
there is a possibility to hit
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so komo is right watch my replay
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Komito's interpretation of darksiding seems to be the same as KRD used in that "standard scheme variants" thread (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/standard-scheme-variants-(part-1-competitive-ground-schemes)-25170/):
*Darksiding is hiding your worm in a position where it's impossible for your opponent(s) to hit you with a grenade and at the same time impossible for you to hit your opponent(s) with a grenade.
KRD's thread has nothing to do with TUS rules, though. TUS rules say quite clearly that you have to be able to attack with a nade from your hide.
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TUS rules say quite clearly that you have to be able to attack with a nade from your hide.
If that were true, then hundreds of games have broke the darkside rule when someone pushed their opponent into a hide where they can only zook, and they stay and zook as long as they can.
Not only does my way make more sense, it's much fairer.
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Yeah I'm sure that you and KRD are the right guys to say how the rule should be. Perhaps the rule text is just misleading and was actually meant to be "a place you can't hit NOR be hit with a nade". Let's blame the guy who wrote the rules (Husky!) :D
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husk has nothing to do with that haha
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"a place you can't hit NOR be hit with a nade".
That's exactly how I see it now, and exactly how it should be.
Personally, I find it more challenging/exciting when someone stays in a hide and uses only zook for a while because they can't use or reach with a grenade, just adds a variety of shots, makes it more fun imo.
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Personally, I find it more challenging/exciting when someone stays in a hide and uses only zook for a while because they can't use or reach with a grenade, just adds a variety of shots, makes it more fun imo.
Indeed.
I like challenges like these but it still doesn't change the fact, that he broke the "official" rules at least by darkside hiding. Maybe you, Komo, should make a suggestion for the rules correction :D apart from the experimental bng thread.. Even tho I don't like /ts too.
The only thing that makes me sick and tired is that vesuvio tries to get every game, no matter how lol.. And he can't just go and report it as a win, especially not after I told him there is a fact that has to be cleared but he rushes those reportings on purpose.. He doesn't even admit anything. ANYTHING!
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ok i got uploaded a replay in wich u can see that i can attack hide its no darkside
style starts to annoy me
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dude, talking to you is like talking to a wall... actually, im not even sure a wall is as stubborn as you
So much truth :D
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Avi what planet you going to?
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ok i got uploaded a replay in wich u can see that i can attack hide its no darkside
style starts to annoy me
Aww, you poor lamb..! It wasn't my intention to annoy either you nor the mods or anyone else. I'm just saying that you are not allowed to do anything you want, since there are rules here at TUS. You won that BnG because you disregarded the rules.. I even told you a several times ingame but you still acted like the unexperienced worms player ever and played on without giving a shit.
Not worth of discussing is that you did hide darkside. That's forbidden and I told you not to report the game and that I would write in forums if you do so. It's not me, neither is it TUS that makes struggle around you. It's your damn indifference about everyone and everything. All you care about is earning easy points from free wins or immediately reportings that are actually not true. I can't understand how you can even find someone - ow yes, it's you komo - that agrees with such a sneaky additude and it's probably not only me who thinks that way. You proved it yourself lots of times recently.
Just do us all one favor: Think before you go and instantly report any shits or you will be spitted again by most of ppl..
@Mods: Could you please come to a decision? I'm really tired of answering this ignorante dick..
Thanks in advance,
style
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plz watch the replay its no darkside
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maybe i shouldnt care cause start to hurt if u dont even watch the replays been uploaded
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If it's against the rules, then why hasn't the game been voided yet? ;)
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According to TUS rules, that IS a darkside. Also, that is not a darkside which you are pushed into it. vesuvio voluntarily teleported to that hide.
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According to TUS rules, that IS a darkside. Also, that is not a darkside which you are pushed into it. vesuvio voluntarily teleported to that hide.
So what happens when you are pushed into a hide that you can't hit your opponent with a grenade, only zook? Technically that would be a darkside but everyone does it, so why shouldn't it be allowed what vesuvio done?
You seriously need to change the darkside rule if that's the case because vesuvios hide is completely fair, and being pushed and spending some turns using only zook is completely fair also.
Edit: I don't like double standards... You say it's a darkside because he can't hit with a nade then you say being pushed isn't a darkside, but it IS according to the way you worded your rules... Doesn't matter if it's a teleport or a push, if you can't hit with a nade you can't hit with a nade nothing changes that, if it's ok to stay and zook then it should be ok to move to a non-nade hide and zook.
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ok i got uploaded a replay in wich u can see that i can attack hide its no darkside"
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@vesuvio,
What does your replay show?
@komo,
I don't like double standards... You say it's a darkside because he can't hit with a nade then you say being pushed isn't a darkside, but it IS according to the way you worded your rules... Doesn't matter if it's a teleport or a push, if you can't hit with a nade you can't hit with a nade nothing changes that, if it's ok to stay and zook then it should be ok to move to a non-nade hide and zook.
Nobody likes double standards. I just compared the situation to TUS rules:
A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade.
The situation in this game fits the line above. vesuvio cannot hit with a nade.
It is different when you teleport to a darkside spot or you are pushed into one. In the first, you are breaking the rule; in the latter your opponent has forced you.
As you know, I'm reviewing the replays for the /ts. You can review the whole BnG rules and PM me your batch. the KRD line mentioned in this thread could replace the current one. But for this game, it falls under current BnG rules.
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And what about all the other games where someone has teleported to the edge of the map? I guess those games will just be ignored then? Cuz I know it's happened in at least half a dozen of my games, I am sure the same players and/or others have done it in other games too.
And yeah, use KRDs line for the darkside rule.
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Seems like the game has been deleted.
Am I allowed to report this now?
Regards,
style
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wtf killurself onkeisland
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nah all good he writes kind lets delete all of our gaes u an rport wins
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vesuvio I warned you about your language and you did that twice after that. You are muted now.
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Seems like the game has been deleted.
Am I allowed to report this now?
Regards,
style
I think it is just void game.
Vesu muted... lol :D
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Only muted?He deserves more pain than that :D
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Avi what planet you going to?
im not sure nino... i heard along time ago, girls are from mars, and eat more candy bars... so ill stay away from there, avi dont like no fatty girls.. and boys are from Jupiter and get more stupider, so ill stay away from there too... dont want a planet of all guys, and... i think i'll also stay away from venus, only because it rhymes with penis... sooo.. hmm.. im not sure which planet ill go to, i think i'll wait to talk to barman, maybe get some advice from him... im sure he can steer me in the right direction :D
stylez, i dont think you get the win :P sorry.. its just a void game.
komo: you still cant admit when your wrong? huh????
as i said before, when you teleport to a darkside, that is illegal!! period.
when you get pushed into a darkside, i think its been an unwritten rule for a long time, that because you were forced into that position, if you get a wind that allows you to shoot.. you should be able to take that shot... if you get a wind that does not allow a shot, you should then teleport out of the "darkside" staying there even though you can not take any reasonable shot, would then make it a darkside...
i think that should be written in the rule, so its clear... "when pushed into a darkside by opponent, you can stay as long as wind allows a shot, when the wind changes sides, and you can no longer make a valid attempt at attack, you MUST teleport"
also: i do not believe the rules should be "A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit AND be hit with a nade."
because all though it would be rare to find a hide that fits this criteria, it would be lame to tele to a hide where you can toss nades at your opponent just fine, but they dont have angle at you for some reason...
i believe the darkside rule is fine how it is "A darkside is considered a place where you can't hit OR be hit with a nade."
so it protects the player who is not doing the teleporting... but thats just my opinion on the rule i suppose...
komo, it would benefit the community a lot, if you can discover the difference between facts, and opinions, there would be a lot less arguments around here :D
peja, sorry my post is so long, i know my long posts bother you... but if you had made it this far in reading, i would like to take this time to say.. i love you ;D <3
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That's the thing that annoys me about this community the most, it's full of double standards and hypocrits.
I can't even be bothered reading the rest of your stupid post, not because it's long, but because it's you, and I know you talk a lot of nonsense.
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omg.. i told myself i was not going to respond to this, i even left this thread, and began reading something else... but i could not resist...
Komo, do you know how many different wormers have said those very words to you?? and now your saying the community is full of hypocrits?? jeez...
you really amaze me dude, most of your posts are like "wtf, did he rly just say that?" lol
but yeah, dont read my stupid post, just continue being narrow minded, and never wrapping your mind around other peoples ideas, its either komos way, or the bag pipes, ae?
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well, as much as i dont want to defend vesuvio.. (even though i did in a recent complaint, but that was before his ridiculous streak of free wins, and complaints)
vesuvio is right IF..IFFFF....IFFFFFFF... the replay he posted is exactly where stylez was, and i cant see for sure, because the game was already voided, and deleted.
but, vesuvio proved with his replay that it would have been possible for stylez to attack with a nade... its kind of lame that there is only one possible shot... but, the rules are the rules, and stylez CAN actually hit, as vesuvio showed (if that was actually the position stylez was in)
so, maybe MonkeyIsland should take another look at this.
and maybe vesuvio should stop causing so much drama, theres no reason you should be involved in like 5 complaints at the same time... stop your shit, and stop reporting free wins too. thnx ;p
edit: just thought of this, while re-reading this post.... as the rules are, its not a darkside (not sure why MI keeps the game void, but whatever)
but, the rules should be edited, the rules should state, the opponent should be able to attack with a minimum of 2 different nade shots to not consider it a darkside...
its very necessary, because all though stylez CAN make a nade shot, he can only make one shot... he should not be required to repeat each and every nade shot, because vesuvio chose to tele in a deep dark hide.... maybe thats the reason the MonkeyIsland has not un-voided this game?? im not sure... but times like this, the rules should be edited to cover situations such as this.
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Komo, do you know how many different wormers have said those very words to you??
Yes, 2 or 3, maybe 4 or 5 tops, which is less than the amount of people who have said you are an annoying c**t.
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Both of you are bringing unnecessary drama into this topic. Should I meddle and make a move? Apparently someone always gotta put a stop otherwise you two go on forever.