Hi, this is a w4w BlitzKrieg vs Husk. At 8:40 Husk touch 2 walls with 1 worms, he use the change worm and touch other 2 walls with another worm, so he attack.
I think that he need hit all walls with only 1 worm, so he can use the change worm for choose a worm and attack.
2010-08-25 15.27.53 [Online] @Blitzkrieg, Husk`CKC.WAgame
Hi BlitzKrieg.
What Husk did is allowed.
:o it's allowed!? you make noobish scheme even more noobish! ...
bah, i did not know it was allowed :o
It wasn't me who invented the scheme and the rules, jeez. Shoo shoo, Maciej :)
(If anyone can prove me wrong, preferably with some reference, please go ahead)
Hmm.. Not 2 make a flamethread here Rok, but im pretty sure its not allowed 2 do it like Husk did. I always learned that u had 2 touch all worms with the same worm. so a change before or after the walls in other words. I cant back that up with any clear facts tho! :)
Quote from: Uber on August 26, 2010, 09:09 PM
Hmm.. Not 2 make a flamethread here Rok, but im pretty sure its not allowed 2 do it like Husk did. I always learned that u had 2 touch all worms with the same worm. so a change before or after the walls in other words. I cant back that up with any clear facts tho! :)
This has always been allowed, all 4 walls have been touched, it doesn't say anywhere in rules about using the same worm, doesn't matter how you touch the walls, as long as you touch them all, if you are lucky enough to get worm select (which is why it was put in the scheme in the 1st place, if not allowed, why would it be there?) then use it :)
Well Komo. Even with the rule being touch em all with 1 worm, its still ALOT u can do with the select (change) worm weapon. F.ex if ur opponent has worm advantage on u etc. Im not saying i know this for sure, but thats the way i been taught at wxw league games. :)
Well i've had it done against me lots of time, and done it to others lots of times, never any complaints, because it doesn't say it is not allowed in the rules...
Komo it doesn't say that it isn't allowed in the game ok but not even the contrary, it's only a custom, a rule not write. U can't hit walls with 2 different worms, change worm is only for attack with another worm.....
Says who? No one has ever made this official, most people think throwing 4s grenades like a 3s grenade in BnG's is lame, but alot of people still do it, and I have to live with it...
Since the start of WxW you have always been allowed to do this.
If most people don't like it, then make a vote or something to change it.
I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed :o
Yes, there are more options with worm select, but consider this: He got one turn where all he got was worm select. No dynamite, no homing pigeon, no holy hand grenade: a frigging worm select.
As has been said: the game is about touching all walls, nothing about the way this is achieved.
Since Select Worm is a "weapon" which doesn't end the turn (like Ninja Rope or Parachute) I wouldn't consider using Select Worm an attack too, so it's perfectly legal to use it between touching walls.
Quote from: DarkOne on August 29, 2010, 08:33 AM
I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed :o
Yes, there are more options with worm select, but consider this: He got one turn where all he got was worm select. No dynamite, no homing pigeon, no holy hand grenade: a frigging worm select.
As has been said: the game is about touching all walls, nothing about the way this is achieved.
bhà....there are same rule not-write like "attack from parachute"...well, rule is afr, but at last second of turn if your rope fail u can attack from parachute and this is accept by all, despite afr.
I don't think that "use change worm beetween turn" is a rule not-write.
Anyway, ok guys. :'(
I wouldn't let someone attack me from chute since is specifically says attack from rope, obviously excluding ground weapons like shotgun etc...
Quote from: Komo on August 29, 2010, 10:18 AM
I wouldn't let someone attack me from chute since is specifically says attack from rope, obviously excluding ground weapons like shotgun etc...
You'd most likely lose the complaint though, attacking from chute has been considered the same as attack from rope for ages now, and I don't see why it shouldn't, it's not exactly easier. Maybe someone add it explicitly to the rules, lol.
say rules pls....
wba afr cba afc <--- LoL
Quote from: darKz on August 29, 2010, 10:34 AM
Quote from: Komo on August 29, 2010, 10:18 AM
I wouldn't let someone attack me from chute since is specifically says attack from rope, obviously excluding ground weapons like shotgun etc...
You'd most likely lose the complaint though, attacking from chute has been considered the same as attack from rope for ages now, and I don't see why it shouldn't, it's not exactly easier. Maybe someone add it explicitly to the rules, lol.
It says AFR, so techically, I should win the complaint, because it doesn't say it in the rules as of yet.
They cannot allow something that isn't in the rules, that goes against the point of having rules does it not?
They can obviously add this if they want, and then I wouldn't be bothered...
The same way criminals can do things that are wrong, or win in court, because it is not an official law.
some good points for it and against it.
but yea, as rules only say wba, walls before attack, and thats what i did.
if you are not allowed to use worm select before touching all the walls, does the same go for using chute before touching all the walls
Quote from: darKz on August 29, 2010, 09:43 AM
Since Select Worm is a "weapon" which doesn't end the turn (like Ninja Rope or Parachute) I wouldn't consider using Select Worm an attack too, so it's perfectly legal to use it between touching walls.
i like this (:
Quote from: Uber on August 26, 2010, 09:30 PM
Well Komo. Even with the rule being touch em all with 1 worm, its still ALOT u can do with the select (change) worm weapon. F.ex if ur opponent has worm advantage on u etc. Im not saying i know this for sure, but thats the way i been taught at wxw league games. :)
IIRC, in CBC league (where you learned league games, I think) it was even written in rules that it's allowed. I can't back this up either, bacuse the league site doesn't exist anymore :)
Quote from: Komo on August 29, 2010, 11:15 AM
Quote from: darKz on August 29, 2010, 10:34 AM
Quote from: Komo on August 29, 2010, 10:18 AM
I wouldn't let someone attack me from chute since is specifically says attack from rope, obviously excluding ground weapons like shotgun etc...
You'd most likely lose the complaint though, attacking from chute has been considered the same as attack from rope for ages now, and I don't see why it shouldn't, it's not exactly easier. Maybe someone add it explicitly to the rules, lol.
It says AFR, so techically, I should win the complaint, because it doesn't say it in the rules as of yet.
Attack from parachute in wxw is legal in TUS since day 1! (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-8/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-8/))
Quote from: Komo on August 26, 2010, 09:12 PM
...if you are lucky enough to get worm select (which is why it was put in the scheme in the 1st place, if not allowed, why would it be there?) then use it :)
Actually, nobody put worm select in wxw scheme. Thing is, you can't prevent it to appear in crates.