he reported it because I wanted to rematch in the same map, since statik crashed two times, they agreed with the map first place, so why not play it when they player crashed, we had a big lead last game. Erase it pls, avirex refused to play in the map we alrdy played, so I reported it.
[2012-10-24 18.38.25] ••• mm`avirex is joining a game on #AnythingGoes named "HusH`rOl3x", hosted by HusH`rOl3x
[2012-10-24 18.38.26] ••• Successfully joined game. Players are: HusH`rOl3x, mm`slimstatik, Devilagel3x`ea, mm`avirex
[2012-10-24 18.38.31] [mm`avirex] new map plz.
[2012-10-24 18.38.39] [mm`slimstatik] even if I live in RUssia, my connection is perfect, I never drop :D
[2012-10-24 18.38.45] ••• Player joined: Kazan
[2012-10-24 18.38.45] [Devilagel3x`ea] - 1 worm hush
[2012-10-24 18.38.46] ••• Player parted or was kicked: Kazan
[2012-10-24 18.38.50] [mm`slimstatik] LOL
[2012-10-24 18.38.51] [mm`avirex] there will be no handicaps
[2012-10-24 18.38.55] [mm`avirex] and there will be a new map
[2012-10-24 18.38.59] ••• Player joined: Guilherme
[2012-10-24 18.39.01] ••• Player parted or was kicked: Guilherme
[2012-10-24 18.39.06] [Devilagel3x`ea] stfu dude and light
[2012-10-24 18.39.07] [mm`slimstatik] don't play this map 3rd time .-
[2012-10-24 18.39.08] [HusH`rOl3x] why?
[2012-10-24 18.39.09] ••• Player joined: Ewee
[2012-10-24 18.39.11] ••• Player parted or was kicked: Ewee
[2012-10-24 18.39.15] [mm`avirex] im not playing it 3 games in a row
[2012-10-24 18.39.17] ••• Player joined: Kazan
[2012-10-24 18.39.21] [Devilagel3x`ea] bl :)
[2012-10-24 18.39.21] [mm`avirex] should not even have done it first game
[2012-10-24 18.39.26] [HusH`rOl3x] statik shouldnt drop then
[2012-10-24 18.39.26] [mm`slimstatik] put another terrain :D
[2012-10-24 18.39.28] ••• Player parted or was kicked: Kazan
[2012-10-24 18.39.33] [mm`avirex] new map please.
[2012-10-24 18.39.35] [Devilagel3x`ea] nah just light
[2012-10-24 18.39.37] [HusH`rOl3x] refuse to play?
[2012-10-24 18.39.42] [mm`avirex] i guess you guys do.
[2012-10-24 18.39.44] [mm`slimstatik] we have the right to change map
[2012-10-24 18.39.45] [Devilagel3x`ea] map's ok
[2012-10-24 18.39.48] [Devilagel3x`ea] I made with care
[2012-10-24 18.39.53] [mm`avirex] its a rule you have to put a new map, if we request it
[2012-10-24 18.39.55] [Devilagel3x`ea] ok hush
[2012-10-24 18.39.56] [HusH`rOl3x] i agree on map 2 times
[2012-10-24 18.39.58] [Devilagel3x`ea] made some changes in the map
[2012-10-24 18.40.00] [HusH`rOl3x] why wouldnt u 3rd
[2012-10-24 18.40.02] [mm`slimstatik] I dropped twice on it (well, actually u skipped packets)
[2012-10-24 18.40.03] [Devilagel3x`ea] just a few changes
[2012-10-24 18.40.04] [HusH`rOl3x] u
[2012-10-24 18.40.05] [Devilagel3x`ea] and its a new map!
[2012-10-24 18.40.20] [mm`avirex] if you guys dont wanna change the map, we will gladly take a free win.
[2012-10-24 18.40.22] [Devilagel3x`ea] make some changes mate
[2012-10-24 18.40.27] [Devilagel3x`ea] add a bit more terrain
[2012-10-24 18.40.29] ••• Player joined: Girl
[2012-10-24 18.40.32] [mm`avirex] you have 2 minutes, then im gonna go... ur not gonna waste my time with this bullshit
[2012-10-24 18.40.35] ••• Player parted or was kicked: Girl
[2012-10-24 18.40.38] [Devilagel3x`ea] we'll take afree win if u refuse to play
[2012-10-24 18.40.38] [mm`slimstatik] xD
[2012-10-24 18.40.47] [Devilagel3x`ea] there u go
[2012-10-24 18.40.48] [Devilagel3x`ea] free map
[2012-10-24 18.40.48] [mm`avirex] you now have 60 seconds
[2012-10-24 18.40.53] [mm`avirex] then i will take a free win, gladly
[2012-10-24 18.40.59] [Devilagel3x`ea] np
[2012-10-24 18.41.03] [HusH`rOl3x] 60 sec? lool
[2012-10-24 18.41.03] ••• Player joined: alien24
[2012-10-24 18.41.04] [Devilagel3x`ea] we will report too
[2012-10-24 18.41.08] [mm`avirex] 30 seconds.
[2012-10-24 18.41.09] ••• Player parted or was kicked: alien24
[2012-10-24 18.41.20] [Devilagel3x`ea] u refuse to play avirex? good for u
[2012-10-24 18.41.20] [mm`slimstatik] -.-
[2012-10-24 18.41.21] [Devilagel3x`ea] nothing new
[2012-10-24 18.41.44] [mm`avirex] new map please
[2012-10-24 18.41.53] [Devilagel3x`ea] I hope mods punish u this time
[2012-10-24 18.41.53] [mm`avirex] last time ill ask.
[2012-10-24 18.42.00] [mm`avirex] for requesting a new map?
[2012-10-24 18.42.07] [mm`avirex] u guys r giving us a free win, learn the rules
[2012-10-24 18.42.08] [HusH`rOl3x] tell me
[2012-10-24 18.42.08] [mm`avirex] good bye.
[2012-10-24 18.42.09] [Devilagel3x`ea] form aking problems just coz u want
[2012-10-24 18.42.12] ••• Session ended
statik crashed two time in my host btw, I asked hush to host and to steal my map, so they dont have problems lagging out again, it's a rm! u dont change rr maps when some1 crashes u dont change roper maps when some1 crashes, map sticks the same, thats fair, we even had a big advantage when statik crashed, avirex just quitted coz he knew he was doomed. Statik's fault.
Here are my replays.
In the 2nd game I had the message "Devilage skipped packet..." after the 1st turn. Next my turn I didn't even know if we should continue or not, cuz avi was asking if I was there... Anyway, it was senseless to continue after that message, cuz a game usually crashes, but I guess only I saw that message. Dunno why it was "Statik's fault", I don't see any fault from myself. Just wanted to play, but obviously had problems with Devilage host. When he hosted another elite, no1 could join him first 2 times too... just saying :)
because only u crashed in the host we all were there after all.
i guess devilage wanted to make this process even more difficult, anybody surprised???
he went and reported the win, along with a wxw replay... i have no idea why..
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-128256/
U can't report games like that, just because some1 didn't change the map, statik crashed two times afaik,
If a player returns to the channel but does not want to continue the game, then the quitting player's opponent automatically wins. I followed the rule, where's ur famous rule?
devilage, what rule did you follow???
im not going to copy and paste the rules to you, im not a mod, or admin here... or do i give a shit enough about you to guide you in the right direction...
but maybe you should learn the rules of TUS, you have been here long enough, no?
now, i can understand your point of view that it was a rematch, so the matches should be played on the same map(regardless if its a valid view)... but as i looked closer at the 2 games maps that were played on, they are different... in the second game you for some reason decided to decrease the objects... so the maps were different in both games!!
you have absolutely no leg to stand on now with your reasoning behind not wanting to change maps for me.... you need to learn the rules of tus, your a long time member of tus, learn the rules ;X
This is the rule mm are referring to, by the way: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/your-pick-my-pick-11825/
KDR - The case is that they agreed on same map twice, but after 2 drops from static, avi dont want to play the map anymore. In the topic u have posted, i cant see anything telling about if we can pick same map if they drop? - for me it was just logic.
First of all, whether if it was the same map from 1st to 2nd game (must have been really small changes since none of us notic), my host would for sure be same map from 2nd game, since i copy map from game.
Since the argumentation in game was if we should rematch on same map, i really cant see how mm can tell what map we want to rematch on, as mm droped 2 times - 2nd time we had big lead also. And especially since mm didnt had any problem with the map the first two time we played it.
Instead avi start 60 sec or i leave drama. How many times didnt we wait for mm, 5-10 min, but u cant stay in for 60 sec for us. Nice sportsmanship.
Lets all post some free wins, saying we dont like maps (after agreeing several times), telling the host has 60 sec or else we post free win !
Quote from: HusH on October 25, 2012, 03:25 PM
KDR - The case is... blablbla didn't read the rest
It just made me laugh when you started with kdr ^^.
+1 only for that I didn't follow the complaint at all :)
Yes I made small changes to the maps, thats even worse for u avirex! lol since u said it was same map, and I changed it both games ;0
If you host your pick and your opponent doesn't want to play on the first map you pick, you have to change the map.
You agreed on playing it first place so I didn't brake any rule, u broke a rule reporting a free win just because we didn't change the map we alrdy played and we had to rematch it, u refused to play our pick so according to the rules, it's a free win for us.
If you (the host) don't change the map when your opponent(s) says he/she/they don't want to play on that map, then your pick will not happen.
Where does it say u can report a free win? because we didn¿t change the map? u broke the rules avirex, you cheated and I demand mods to punish him for cheating and reporting fake games, I followed the rules, reporting the game when he refused to play our pick.
rules go against u even more!
If you are being unreasonable with your own map request, then the host is entitled to a free win because you'd basically be refusing to play his pick.
U lighted in the first two games! agreeing to the map, commun moderators make this ignorant guy to get his lesson alrdy.
your really... really.. f@#!ing stu...... not smart.
just stfu and let the mods make the obvious decision...
if you think the map should stay the same after a drop, why did you alter it to fit your needs without saying anything for the second game?? fact is you changed it a bit... maybe not much, but you changed it... we were not willing to play on that map for the third game, thats our choice... your refused to change, mainly because your a stubborn prick, no other reason..
so now accept what you got coming and stfu
peja is right, this is amusing
Quote from: avirex on October 25, 2012, 07:45 PM
your really... really.. f@#!ing stu...... not smart.
just stfu and let the mods make the obvious decision...
if you think the map should stay the same after a drop, why did you alter it to fit your needs without saying anything for the second game?? fact is you changed it a bit... maybe not much, but you changed it... we were not willing to play on that map for the third game, thats our choice... your refused to change, mainly because your a stubborn prick, no other reason..
so now accept what you got coming and stfu
What was ur reason to want another map then? just because u want? why did u report the game? can u explain that too? ur weird man.
i think it would hurt my case if i agreed...
but i do agree huahauha
now u come with the , ooo u changed the map between games... Lol man ur brainless. Fake report = punishment.
its not brainless devilage, and im sick of going back and forth with you.... its like talking to a brick wall..
your main argument on not changing the map when i requested, was we used the map 2 other times, and its a "rematch" has to be the same map...
yet you changed the map between first game, and second game...
which means, your argument holds no weight, and you may be the brainless one...
but seriously, lets just wait for the mods to decide who needs a punishment... its pretty clear
i politely asked for you to change the map, and you had to respect that, instead you were rude, and wasted everyones time, and continue to waste time, but this time for the mods... if that was your goal, congratz
u didnt play coz i didnt change the map but i did change it and u reported, lol
Fact is, u reported a game that doesn't exist, explain that...Can you? u can't, what's so hard for u to understand? where are the moderators anyways, I had enough with this gringo puto.
seriously?
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/your-pick-my-pick-11825/
replay with a new random map, not just little edits and/or reseeded objects. it's clear that's what avirex requested, and it wasn't an unreasonable request. you have 1 week
I bet this is to give it a small answer, what about that he reported a fake game? what about he agreed to play the map twice?
Yes franz seriously. You read topic at all? After dropping twice, mm doesnt want to play same map(understandable, but since they dropped twice they really cant request anything imo). Since they accepted map again 2nd time, its clear they already agreed on map. As i ask KRD; where in that topic can i see we have to change map when rm - because of drops? Or i can ask how the rule for dropping is - when map already are agreed?
What i can read is: "If you host your pick and your opponent doesn't want to play on the first map you pick, you have to change the map. Try to agree on a map with your opponent if he/she/they disagree with your first pick" Meaning if they accepted map first, you have to play it. They did agree to play our first map - even twice.
mm is lame
you guys are acting ridiculous, and i suspect thats why it took so long to get an answer to this minor problem...
devilage, are you forgetting that you also reported the same win, with a fake replay? some f@#!ing wxw replay....
i had a reason to report, because you did not follow a simple rule... you reasoning to report was just to be a prick, or prove a point (i believe u got banned for that once, when roperz was aliasing)
you guys are looking for a silly loophole in the rules, that can only be seen my a fools perspective...
franz, can i simply request that both games be voided.... and we forget any of this ever happened???
this game, and the free win that devilage reported for god knows what reason.
Quote from: avirex on November 09, 2012, 08:34 PM
franz, can i simply request that both games be voided.... and we forget any of this ever happened???
That's what I'd suggest if I were a mod.
l3x did minor changes on the map, so their argument of mm accepting the same map twice can't stand, however, mm must have thought they
did have the same map. This is all f@#!ed up. :D
there is 2 games to void though please dont forget that...
the game that i reported, because they did not follow the rules of giving us a new map upon request...
and the game devilage reported with a fake replay, because.... i guess he was mad???
i reported coz u refused to play our pick, that was elite, the wxw map just got into the replays, not meaning to upload it guess ur not smart enough to see that.
Lmao, Devilage edited it to sound more rude. :D
Lol.. he edited just to make a 'smart' joke lol
That shows how smart this Guy is!
And here I was thinking he uploaded a wxw replay because the elite was all ready reported... how silly of me.
And for the record... devilage.. we did not refuse to play your pick... I asked you politely to change map several times you guys kept refusing... THATS AGAINST THE RULES YOU STUPID f@#!.
So I left..
On second thought.. mods don't void both games.. just void the one he unrightfully reported.. devilage.. u heard Franz, you got one week to get this game done.. then the win is ours... learn the rules nub
Quote from: Prankster on November 09, 2012, 08:57 PM
Quote from: avirex on November 09, 2012, 08:34 PM
franz, can i simply request that both games be voided.... and we forget any of this ever happened???
That's what I'd suggest if I were a mod.
l3x did minor changes on the map, so their argument of mm accepting the same map twice can't stand, however, mm must have thought they did have the same map. This is all f@#!ed up. :D
In game the issue was whether they wanted to play same map(first game was short, maybe small changes- no one seen it, but they accepeted and had no comment to it. We actually played about 15 min on map before drop. After im the host, picking map from old replay, so yes would for sure be same map) - avi just trying to find a hole in the rules, lmao, means he can get static or who ever to pull the internetcable when map are not to like. Thats really how it should be?
Anyway just trying to find out rules (for me the game should have been played ofc) , but since no mod can explain i guess there are no rules on this area.
omg, stop posting **** and close this topic, people are obviously just trying to argue there and don't do anything helpful.
HusH, don't stoop so low, you don't need to defend your clan when it's just a avirex vs devilage battle, it just looks stupid, and that crap about "pull the internet cable"... btw, I'm StatiK, not static :P
For me its about getting the rules right. I need a definition on how u can turn down a map down – here under when the map is agreed first place, but drop and need to rm. I read the rules diffrent than avi, thats not ok to aguee for? So omg ur self lmao – stop posting if u dont have anything sensible to say about this topic.
the whole topic is senseless, I don't need to find holes in rules to have fun games with friends, with other people I'd better don't play next time, and your behavior towards me don't make you look cool, you can take 1 or 2 or 10 free wins, I don't mind, the real winners are always people who get more fun regardless of a game outcome, so cheers.
If senseless, why keep comment - my question is to provide misunderstandings from now, not to find holes, but close them, and make them clear since me u and dev had an other idea of how the host worked than avi. Because u did agree with us after avi left, but that's an other story ofc. So for me its not senseless.
And if read carefully, u will see I didn't ask for free win - only asked ironic, if we all should start posting some free wins, said it should be rm imo.
My "behavior" we can talk about private (as i tried with u), but if u find it bad what I wrote to u on this topic im sure our talk ends here :-*
what dont you guys get???
the 1st game was on one map....
lag out...
the 2nd game was on a differently seeded map... (there for it was different)
lag out....
the 3rd game i decided i wanted a new map completely, and the rules say you have to give it to me.... i was asking politely, and you guys acted retarded (no surprise by yours post's, ae)
so i left, and reported... you broke rules, now your acting dumb like you dont know what you did wrong.... wait a minute.... maybe this isnt an act... maybe you guyz are both dumber then a mother f@#!er
i dont even care anymore... keep the free wins, devilage can report a couple more with random replays.. dont matter.... as statik said, just lock this.
rly? can I? what schemes? I'd like that tbh!
Seems franz didn't read our posts at all, we gave good reasons, two lag outs from mm/dt they agreed on the map in the first place, so we are not braking any rule afaik, just erase the games and f@#! it, ur status as a mod it's damn cuestionable franz u almost never give a solid statement, we are giving u facts here, yet u act like we never said anything.
btw I rly feel offended by his speech! u should do something maybe mute him, I feel rly bad him calling me a mother f@#!er, please mods do something! can't stand that
snitches get stitches :D
dont offend franz just because you did not get the answer you wanted...
tbh: your lucky you got that response, your the one who did not follow rules, it should be our win case closed, and you should get punished for reporting a free win with a fake replay...
im really tired of going back and forth with this f@#!ing moron... its like talking to a wall, he has no common sense what so ever..
mods: first of all, please delete this free win with fake replays that devilage reported for no reason (maybe punish him for fake report) https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-128256/
second, please lock this thread... i think there has been enough drama here, and if these guys dont get what they did wrong yet, they never will.. dont try explaining it to them they are far too dense.
third: l3x, you heard franz, arrange this game with in a week on a new map, or the win stands... gl and hf
Nah, that report its because u didn't want to play my pick, if any game has to be erased its urs u reported a win that never was played.
maybe instead of making lame jokes, that no1 thinks are funny, that you have repeated so many times it wouldnt be funny at this point either way....
you should work on getting that game completed, because times-a-tickin
I can't believe you guys. You argue over a map. I watched the main two replays, watched Statik's replays, read games comments and read 4 pages of complaint, for what exactly? You guys are old schools FFS! Can't you deal with a damn map yourselves?
Congratulations, you found a hole in rules! The map pick is scheme-based. The agreement-talk in the rules is concerned about the scheme. There's no rule saying what should happen to the map if there are drops in the agreed scheme. But it
seems to me that if the 8 years old kids couldn't reach an agreement then the default one must be applied, meaning the very first map that had the agreement must get played over and over.
avirex, There's no rule saying you can report a free win on such disagreements. If there's a disagreement, you call the mods. Therefore your report is deleted. Your warning is raised due to insulting.
Devilage, your warning is also raised for your attitude (shocking!), I don't think I need to explain why.
I'd like to point out that franz was right on his call. Such games must be rematched. These stuff happens, be a grown up and cut each other some slack.
At this point by reading this novel, l3x's report stands because:
- In the second replay, the game is much in favor of l3x. 4 worms for l3x and 2 worms for mm (one is skunked too).
- At this point Statik drops for the second time, that makes things even more in favor of l3x.
I'll have a talk with the mods to update the rules on this matter. Might as well add what's the deal if UFO's come and interrupt the game.
so basicly people get rewarded if they refuse to play on a new map after a drop? you seriously wonder about drama when drama gets rewarded with a free win? with a general straight order to rematch in such situations players maybe wont try to find loopholes or try their luck with dirty reports. would make less sense to create drama when you know u cant change a shit with it.
I think I would have asked for a new map too. They started two games on the first map (with minor changes tho). One of them was short, but what if luck would have turned out opposite to the second game (don't forget, it was the team who was in advance in 2nd game dropped both times)? I think it's kinda understandable to request a new map. However, since it's down to this situation, I would do that same as franz suggested. Why make an advantage to anyone here?
gj l3x, you've won this game for sure!
I think this rule is only good if the map is awful because of the hides or placments then i would agree but every player has the right to chose what kind of maps he wants to play in his pick...
But i get the point i think that would be a good rule to use if you rape a map like 5 times every time you play vs that player then you can say could you change the map ffs...