we wanted a decent map, just want rm with handicap but this clan aparently want an easy win
It's a decent map IMO, I'm sure people can back me on this. It has sufficient hides.
You also lighted up to it, so I don't really see why you changed your mind when the game started.
You did say it didnt have 'enough' hides, but when Impo took his shot and hit you left without a word.
So we GG'ed it, which IMO was our right. You don't just quit without at least voicing your opinion on whether we should rm it or not and on what conditions. And as I mentioned, in my opinion your reasoning behind it (a 'poor' map) is lacking at best.
(edit: when you check the replay you can see the map itself is fine for a bng match, and that TAG's sudden quitting was uncalled for at best).
It was only after we said we'd take the free win for you guys quitting like that that you came around with the solution of rm'ing it with a handicap..
It's not easy wins we want, we just don't like to be f'ed with like that. And it wasn't just in the BnG that you pulled that silly stuff. In the T17 we had issues too when I wouldnt let Avi watch (cause he always bitches at Chelsea, which obviously hurts my mate's performance; and he isnt in TAG neway). Then you came up with this bogus rule that TAG 'owns' 4 spots in the game even though there was just 2 of you. And when I persisted you made me kick my mates, which got me into loads of trouble within the clan... With a little more forthcoming attitude throughout the whole series we'd be a little more forgiving..
As it is now, we claim the win.
edit2: attached the log of the Avi-thing:
i comment about of map in the lobby, i light up thinking that maybe the objects saved the map (but that dont happen), i just kick fast coz didntwanted start a conversation about of rm and play in that condition, probably we will need a big handicap for all with 4 turns speaking about of a rm (and debate that things with players like impo is loss time)
Quote from: Lukz on December 22, 2013, 06:38 PM
debate that things with players like impo is loss time
LMAO i dont give a f@#! about that game at all, I can rematch it right now if you want
Quote from: Lukz on December 22, 2013, 06:38 PM
i comment about of map in the lobby
Where?
The only thing you say is: "[2013-12-22 17.50.23] [Lukz`TaG``] la derecha es más grande xD"
Which obviously we can't understand. Google translate says it means: "the right is much bigger".
Well, thats not a problem with objects, or hides, but of sides. Then you light up the game starts. We happen to go first and place right. I guess it was at that point that you decided the map wasnt good anymore?
[00:00:13.68] [Lukz`TaG``] wtf
[00:00:15.44] [Lukz`TaG``] this side sux
And then you quit lol.
Basically you were aware the map could be lopsided, but lighted up and left after it turned to be lopsided against you. Lol.
Attached: lobby chat.
gg :D
gj AeF, looks like i wasn't needed at all. Sorry for leaving, but that's what peja gets for telling me to f@#! off after a lost wxw XD
If TaG wants to rematch this game, I will be playing instead of peja ;)
Quote from: barman on December 22, 2013, 07:12 PM
gg :D
gj AeF, looks like i wasn't needed at all. Sorry for leaving, but that's what peja gets for telling me to f@#! off after a lost wxw XD
If TaG wants to rematch this game, I will be playing instead of peja ;)
that will be a mod decisition
hhc we cant see objects in map if we didnt start....and before trought the first shot we sayed about a new map but we were ignored
HHC, unless you showed objects on map in the thumbnail (which is possible)
then saying "they lit up, so they agreed to map" is not a very valid thing to say... in schemes like roper, hyst, wxw, shoppa... sure...
but in bng deff not.... they asked for a new map b4 any shot was thrown, imo it was a fair request.
should be replayed, as far as changing players... i dont think thats fair, but thats for mods to decide.
and HHC, i was in TaG for these playoffs, dunno why u booted me, i obviously had on tag tags!
Quote from: avirex on December 23, 2013, 01:11 AM
HHC, unless you showed objects on map in the thumbnail (which is possible)
then saying "they lit up, so they agreed to map" is not a very valid thing to say... in schemes like roper, hyst, wxw, shoppa... sure...
but in bng deff not....
Whats the difference? In BnG everyone uses the same tree texture (well, almost everyone). Theres small trees and slightly bigger trees, but theres no objects that are HUGE.
TAG had issues with the size of their side IMO. And only complained about it when their side was the one they didnt like in the lobby it seems.
It's not right to leave games before you settle something with the other clan or at least wait for a reply when you ask for a rematch. We didnt even get the chance to say yes or no.
The left side of the map was a bit weaker and that couldn't be spotted before the game unless Aef would show png version of the map in the lobby.
Lukz quit (and Bry4N after) without having Aef's agreement or even giving them a chance to consider which makes this disagreement in favor of Aef. You just can't quit whenever you want. You could at least talk in the game and do not fire any shots in your turn until you reach a decision. What TaG did was hasty.
But that's not punishable by costing them the final game of PO which not everyone got even their first shot.
Please rematch this game having Lukz with -21hp damage. Aef can regroup for this game.
thanks MI, just 2 things.
-bit weaker left side? this sounds like the map was ok. just asking because thats kinda the reason for the complaint.
- regroup includes barman though he is in dt now? at least i cant see a reason someone playing season 35 pos for aef is not allowed to do a season 34 final rematch. (ofc only if he wants to)
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 11, 2014, 06:16 AM
Please rematch this game having Lukz with -21hp damage. Aef can regroup for this game.
why they can regroup? in the moment that u said "Lukz with -21hp damage" i understand that this is a rematch with handicap and not a new game
because u cant quit whenever u want :)
Quote from: Peja on January 11, 2014, 04:54 PM
because u cant quit whenever u want :)
oh, i dont known that u are a new mod
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 11, 2014, 06:16 AM
Lukz quit (and Bry4N after) without having Aef's agreement or even giving them a chance to consider which makes this disagreement in favor of Aef. You just can't quit whenever you want. You could at least talk in the game and do not fire any shots in your turn until you reach a decision. What TaG did was hasty.
But that's not punishable by costing them the final game of PO which not everyone got even their first shot.
nope but i can read
then, MI
why they can regroup? in the moment that u said "Lukz with -21hp damage" i understand that this is a rematch with handicap and not a new game
this all happens because they dont let me play
otherwise this would be over 8)
jk i cant even play intermediate now
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 11, 2014, 06:16 AM
The left side of the map was a bit weaker and that couldn't be spotted before the game unless Aef would show png version of the map in the lobby.
TaG spotted it though, before the game, as my lobby log shows. They wouldn't have quit if they had come to tele on the good side. Do you think TaG would let us quit if we ended up left? I don't think so.
QuotePlease rematch this game having Lukz with -21hp damage. Aef can regroup for this game.
Will be hard to put -21, but I guess it can be done.
@Lukz: doesnt matter if we regroup or not. Bar left, so did kyho/swist. That doesn't leave many other options than just Pej & Impo again. Regroup would only be advantageous to AeF if they get to pick an entire new scheme, which isn't what MI supports right?
rofl hhc, play that bng with chelsea
really u guys can't keep quiet xD
then, MI
why they can regroup? in the moment that u said "Lukz with -21hp damage" i understand that this is a rematch with handicap and not a new game
too, obviously we start if we apply handicap, not?
@Lukz,
-21hp is not an advantage for Aef and the first shot of the new game must start with TaG. Aef's is having an advantage on this complaint, that's why I'm giving them the chance to regroup.
@HHC,
It's really bad luck to lose your members at this time, but I don't think we can do something about that. Changing scheme requires both sides to have an agreement but you couldn't reach one in the first place.
I'll let Peja deal with this from now. I quit and so did Chelsea today. AeF can still play it, but with half the clan gone it'll be a tough nut to crack for them. Just wish we could have re-played this sooner.
Since when a bng map has to be fair on both side ? I remember loosing lot of bng because of that and the rule: light mean ok. I thought that if I had started I would gain advantage so that was part of the "risk" by lighting up (and also because I didn't know before game start that one side was better than the other as all bng map).
Next time, if it turns out I don't get best hide, I guess I'll just leave and link to this topic :o.
Thought the same, fada. :-X
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on January 11, 2014, 08:17 PM
@Lukz,
-21hp is not an advantage for Aef and the first shot of the new game must start with TaG. Aef's is having an advantage on this complaint, that's why I'm giving them the chance to regroup.
@HHC,
It's really bad luck to lose your members at this time, but I don't think we can do something about that. Changing scheme requires both sides to have an agreement but you couldn't reach one in the first place.
ok
days aef?