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Leagues => Leagues Complaints => Topic started by: Devilage on January 24, 2014, 08:07 PM
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nico called the rh, avirex as usual its being the i do whatever i want shit here, as u said time ago games have to be finished before playing the rh. I demand a rm on this match since lalo droped giving avirex a pile advantage. Avirex denied to rh wich was pretty obvious to do there.
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-161863
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I put the link to your game in your post for the mod who will handle it :P
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I put the link to your game in your post for the mod who will handle it :P
okay thanks man
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[NiCo`l3x] so?
[dt`wreckz] rh?
[NiCo`l3x] dunno
[NiCo`l3x] what u want
[dt`wreckz] what u want?
[dt`wreckz] tell me now
[dt`wreckz] we play.
[NiCo`l3x] rh
[dt`wreckz] no
[NiCo`l3x] rh
[dt`wreckz] u cant wait till he falls
[dt`wreckz] we play
[NiCo`l3x] ah?
[dt`wreckz] dont be f@#!in cheap all ur life nico
[NiCo`l3x] rh
[NiCo`l3x] man i minimize lol
[NiCo`l3x] nvm
[NiCo`l3x] youre die
[NiCo`l3x] f@#!ing cheap you
[dt`wreckz] yep, whatever u say bud
[NiCo`l3x] dt tactics
[dt`wreckz] you had chances to call rh, u cant wait until 4 turns later
[NiCo`l3x] ok
[jot`l3x] it has to end this way
[jot`l3x] gg
[dt`wreckz] gg
[NiCo`l3x] you know safe xD
[NiCo`l3x] ?
[jot`l3x] no
[NiCo`l3x] :(
[NiCo`l3x] so bad
he asked me what i want... he clearly thought he had a chance at one point...
i gave him plenty of opportunity to rehost the game, he never gave an answer until after jot fell off his rope, and he clearly was not going to make an attack.
if jot made the attack, do you think nico would still be requesting a rehost? the answer is no..
NiCo then went on to say he will kill me, and despite him making a very nice turn.. YOU GUYS LOST!
deal with it!
you guys are collectively as a group, the worst sports on wnet, there is not a week that goes by that your clan is not in this complaint forum, its amazing.
you all need to grow up.. your such a twat, that darkone, possibly one of the most fair mods on tus, does not even want to handle your complaints anymore (and there are several of them)
jot has left l3x as a result of nico avoiding, and then playing cheap.. even your own clan mate (ex-clan mate) said that nico only wanted to rehost after he (jot) fell.
hell, even the clan leaders/founders (sm0k and nivman) left their own clan because of all of your scumbagish behavior... that really says a lot about you guys.
you, hush, and nico are constantly telling other people they are not fair, and do anything for wins, and care so much about points etc. and well... i would hate to wake you up out of your marijuana infested dream land, but its the other way around my friend, and everyone except l3x can see that.
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Why didnt u rh when ur mate crashed?its not something that u should ask for, u just do it
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well quote of my post from a different topic:
imo its total useless and could be solved easily, gonna use the situation of the game as an example for some thoughts..
situation: more or less even game, lalo drops at end of his turn. avi forces nico to some kind of fast decision and basicly refuses the rehost, dte nds up winning and calls nico lame for not answering immediatly.
First of all: clanners are played at least 2 vs 2, if someone drops his clan cant finish the game in the way its meant to be. in some online leagues situations like this are handled with an auto loss by the dropping clan simply because its their problem. since wa is turnbased we have the possibility to rematch situations so we can handle things different. but i guess we all can agree a drop shouldnt lead to a disadvantage for the clan still in game. since wa is turnbased its possible this can happen.
lets look what happened in the game: avi wants a quick decision since he considers its lame the other clan sees how the game develops. well it was right after lalos turn so obviously u cant answer right in the situation i gues, roper is quite fast so to make the decision may take a bit.
from my point of view, dt was unable to finish the game in a proper way cos their mate dropped. at this point its done, they are basicly unable to cotinue. so i wonder which right should dt have to win this game in the normal way. with the drop its over and basicly they should be happy we have rules who doesnt make them lose the game because of that.it shouldnt be l3x problem dt drops, its dts problem and therefore they should be unable to continue if the other side wants it that way, doesnt matter if its right now or 3 turns after it.
main point: its dt fault if they drop,basicly their fault game cant continue like it should. game is broken for sure, rematching is the only logical and fair solution. (esepecially since u cna recreate the situation)
just my personal opinion as a non league mod though.
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peja.. serious.. stay out of it, you voiced your opinion in 2 threads regarding this, and even brought it up in a thread it had no business in..
what your suggesting is that because dt lagged out, l3x can wait as long as they want to ask for a rehost?? we all had a round of turns... each and every one of us.. thats more then enough time... do you understand thats well over a minute??
he waited until his mate fell, and that simply not fair.. even l3x (jot)agreed.
if he wanted to RH, we could have... there was nothing to decide IMO, the minute he got on his rope and made effort to attack me, the game continued... why should he have time to wait???
your saying he should have all the time he needs to decide if his team is capable of a win, and dt has no rights in the situation? thats simply not true peja, and your talking non sense..
i remember a lag out situation barman was involved in, all he did was a simple torch after the lag out.. MODs game the win to the other team because it was an aggressive turn...(the scheme was hyst, now there is a scheme that is quick paced, not roper)
and you keep saying roper is a quick scheme... there is 10 secnod hot seat, 15 second turns, and 10 second retreat... if u cant figure out what u want b4 3 full turns later, the game should continue...
anyway peja, thanx for your opinions, im sure mods will take them into consideration....
lets just wait to hear from the voice of monkey now
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jot cant fight a fight, let the mods to decide according the rules.
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oh, i thought you were opening a new complaint dev... your just refreshing an old one???
god job making it 4 days without a new complaint, make it a week and its a new l3x record.
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oh, i thought you were opening a new complaint dev... your just refreshing an old one???
god job making it 4 days without a new complaint, make it a week and its a new l3x record.
im not in forums 24/7 like u and chelsea
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good point dev!! i can see what the has to do with the price of gold in china.
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like u and chelsea
please don't mix me in your dirdy games ::)
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ill tell you what im going to do, because im such a nice guy...
since the mods are obviously sick of handling any complaints involving devilage and the funky bunch...
i will agree to a rehost of the game... but i will only play with the same players...
even though Jot is not in the clan, he was in the clan at the time of this game, so it should be ok for him to make a guest appearance and replay the game..
thats if jot even agrees/wants to play this game, he left your clan for a reason... (avoiding, and trying to call for a rehost after the fail)
so, thats my offer... if Jot agrees to rematch the game, we can... but until then, the win stands.. good luck, have fun.
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let the mods handle it, thanks for the offer tho
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What you thought Devilage said:
let the mods handle it, thanks for the offer tho
What Devilage really said:
go f@#! yourself avirex
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you dont get it dude??
the mods are not going to handle it... the mods dont give a f@#! about your complaints any more... you have over stayed your welcome in this particular forum...
you have not seen the 20 other complaints that have come and gone??? but this one stays open??
you still dont get it dude??? light a joint and think about what i just said.
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thanks for ur concern man, but they are moderators, they have to answer this topic, even close it if they dont find it useful.
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The drop happened very late in the game and happened on lalo's starting turn, resulting l3x to have 2 consecutive turns. There were no major abuse of piling either. The game stands.
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I really try to understands your decisions, but they make no sense. You made a rule against surrender yet you dont have concerns if someone drops. You tell people to not quit games, you even have a rule for that. Yet quitting is the only way to get rematch if someone drops out. There doesnt seem to be Any plan or idea besides all that. People come away with quitting and rejecting rematches (after their mate dropped) lately.
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You are trying to find manuals for every possible situation in games. There aren't any. That's because we have "mod discretion".
Lalo drops in min-25 in SD, while leading . That's nowhere near the "surrender abuse" or similar situations. That even favored +44 more damage + another turn for l3x. After that avirex is not even piling and playing the old SD tactic. (hide near a worm who is about to play the next turn)
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ofc he doesnt pile to avoid an easy attack since its sd.
"mod discretion" is useless there since you just failed your job. this complaint shouldnt even exist. i ask you since 2 f@#!ing years how i should handle such situations, still you are unable to give me any guide.
furthermore your decisions should follow some basic idea behind.
just an example:
you forbid using surrender: reason: games are played 2 vs 2 until players die.
you made an statement there, based on an basic idea.
now we come to drops: game stands: reason they had 2 turns and there was a lead
now explain me one thing: if the basic structure of a clanner means enough for you to forbid using surrender, how can a clan force a win after a dropout even then other side wants a rehost? (consider you could even recreate the exact same situation)
of course the situations arent the same, still your decisions should fit to each other instead of standing in conflict.
there are always 2 sides in a complaint, both of them have their reasons. for me it looks like you rather select one side based on your feeling than doing a serious analyse based on your former decisions.
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peja, MI is right.. it like you want some in depths, detailed rule books, that is 1,000 pages long, describing every possible situation that will ever arise...
then the mods will just come here and say something like "refer to page G11, A52- Section C of the D-Eleven Situations, GAMES VOID"
this is worms man, there is no way to write a detailed book, and if you think you can do it, you should!!! im sure the mods will thank you, when their job is easier, and dont have ppl bitching at them over every decision... make sure you add a very detailed index, so they can find each situation easily tho!!
MI made the right choice... peja, your acting like i did not give l3x the chance to rehost... everyone knows after a drop you dont have to "finish the game" you f@#!ing quit and RH... UNLESS YOU WANT TO CONTINUE! they did not decide one way or another for 3 complete turns... the game is standing, as MI said. thnx MI.
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for me it looks like you rather select one side based on your feeling than doing a serious analyse based on your former decisions.
Both avirex and Devilage have history of making trouble on TUS. If my choice was between someone like DarkOne and one of them, yes you could accuse me.
you forbid using surrender: reason: games are played 2 vs 2 until players die.
Behind every rule there's a reason. Without that reason, that rule will be silly and redundant.
Surrendering or quitting in clanners is forbidden, yes. The reason is to force the game to be team against team, otherwise it could be one skilled player vs another team. That will also cover tactics like turn advantage abuse.
A roper game in min 25, which is currently in SD, a player from the leading team drops. Not only the drop didn't give the leading team an advantage, but it resulted an extra turn for l3x, (which obviously not you, not even avirex noticed).
So in overall, the leading team loses one worm, practically skips a turn and doesn't abuse turn advantage and you wonder why surrender rule is not getting applied there?
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MI, i noticed that dibz did not get a turn, there for it gay l3x a consecutive turn...
i was just willing to continue the game, if l3x agreed... he continued playing his turn, with intention to hit (missed) he watched me play my turn, and he watched his mate take a turn with intention to hit (but missed)
it wasn't until then that he decided he wanted to RH, and thats just not fair, peja.. in since you feel so strongly that l3x deserved to be able to RH, at what point would you consider it unfair for them to demand at???
should they be allowed to continue playing until my very last "kill drop"?? and then ask for RH right b4 i killed them?? and its still fair, because my team had the lag out?? or... whats your thoughts on it??
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seems like you dont understand me. i dont accuse you of beeing biased. i think you give your best tryin to be fair and consider each side.
but i think you decide after your understanding of Fairnes basicly out of a gut instinct. imo you lack on same kind of system or hermeneutics. basicly you should be able to confirm every single decision with a direct link to past decisions and beeing able to explain the values you are weighing up against each other. this way you would be able to see a greater picture and your decisions would be based on a logical set of rules and values which are complementary to each other.
on topic: i noticed the drop gave advantage to l3x. i also noticed they wanted the rehost after game went bad for them. we could even agree thats kinda lame. but in the end the same thing applies which you already said:
The reason is to force the game to be team against team. yes clanning is team vs team. it wasnt team vs team anymore after the drop. everything what happened after that wasnt anymore in any intention of the origin sense of this game. thats why a rehost should be obligatory in such a case. once again you could recreate the exact same situation, there shouldnt be even a discussion there.
from a gut feeling you did the right thing, dt really deserved to win this one. but from a methodic viewpoint your decision was wrong.
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One of their player dropped, isnt that reason enough to rh according ur own rules? eventho the game has to be played til the end so we can make a complaint afterwards depending the winner/loser team, both sides had reason to continue playing by their own benefit, but as we continue making choices by our own sake, we will never stick to the rules that you have implemented during the seasons, enjoy your win, avirex.
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It's like all sports, the umpire makes the decision and people agree/disagree, at the end of the day his decision is final.
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ok peja, finally you are saying what l3x did was lame..
thank you!
but peja, im not sure how you can expect tus mods to scroll through all past complaints looking for a reference to base their next decision on... and im also not sure how you can expect a rule book to be made, that covers every situation that will arise on worms... worms is the most unpredictable game, it can never be done!
if you think you can come up with a rule book to cover all situations, i encourage you to try... maybe you will surprise me.
no topic: i dont understand how l3x can even be mad at me, and try to accuse me of being lame, i offered them to rehost several times, they can not wait until they see they are in a clear disadvantage before deciding they want to rehost...
Devilage, your acting as if i did not allow a rehost, if your f@#!ing clan were good sports, they would ask for the rehost right way, and there would be nothing i can do about it... in fact, i would have enjoyed a rehost.
but when he continues playing, with intent to hit me... then the game goes on..
so yes, im going to enjoy my win devilage.. u lame shit
MI should lock this thread, before l3x opens another complaint in a different game :D
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i dont talk about a huge rule book, i would only add 1 rule i already have suggested.
and well i always thought tus mods have some kind of evaluation system, at least that would be the reason for their priv forum.
like i wrote in another thread it wouldnt be that much work. most of the complaints are simple like wrong schemes etc.
but when it comes down to the usual stuff of 4 pages drama it would be useful and effective to gather information.
these complaints are like 5 or 10 % of all. just making a topic about the game, and write down reasons for both sides including the reasons for your mod decision. after an year you can look at your 10 or 20 complaints and you are able to evaluate your work.its a normal thing to do when you try to have progress.
about league organisation evualuation we could think on automatic sent messages with an multiple choice interview. works better than polls.
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Devilage, your acting as if i did not allow a rehost, if your f@#!ing clan were good sports, they would ask for the rehost right way, and there would be nothing i can do about it... in fact, i would have enjoyed a rehost.
but when he continues playing, with intent to hit me... then the game goes on..
so yes, im going to enjoy my win devilage.. u lame shit
MI should lock this thread, before l3x opens another complaint in a different game :D
Dude ur the lamest player on w:a you DO know that, u know if u were playing with players that know everything about this game it woulda been an instant rh, so stfu and enjoy ur pity points gringo puto