enjoy your points ;D
Quote from: Chelsea on April 06, 2014, 07:45 PM
enjoy your points ;D
[Berria`p3] i never picked rr vs u vok
[VoK`TdC] i know
[TdC-zeRogi] evry1 pick what he want
[tdctabak] why haven't you? lots of pts
[Berria`p3] gg
I'm really happy for this game, so berria, u've learned a lesson haven't u ??, anyway, they're ur friends right?? ;p, let them enjoy their points, this game is the reason of why i stop clanning with u guys and i won't...
I think it wasn't really fair from da TdC. Even if you guys know they didn't pick rr because chelsea was playing but only because they always pick rr because they like it whoever the opponent are. I guess they could've picked another roper or let p3 look for someone else.
Quote from: ArsGoetia on April 08, 2014, 02:51 AM
Quote from: Chelsea on April 06, 2014, 07:45 PM
enjoy your points ;D
[Berria`p3] i never picked rr vs u vok
[VoK`TdC] i know
[TdC-zeRogi] evry1 pick what he want
[tdctabak] why haven't you? lots of pts
[Berria`p3] gg
I'm really happy for this game, so berria, u've learned a lesson haven't u ??, anyway, they're ur friends right?? ;p, let them enjoy their points, this game is the reason of why i stop clanning with u guys and i won't...
hehe, yes Jose, u were right there.
Quote from: zippeurfou on April 08, 2014, 03:22 AM
I think it wasn't really fair from da TdC. Even if you guys know they didn't pick rr because chelsea was playing but only because they always pick rr because they like it whoever the opponent are. I guess they could've picked another roper or let p3 look for someone else.
Actually, when we had a clanner against tdc days ago, (husk and Vok) they totally refused to play our picks ( it was ttrr too lol n rope games)... We (or at least I used to) like to play for the clan, give the best for the clan ... (clan isn't one player who wants to satisfy his own ''friends'')... and we did look for it cuz it gave us some points, necesary to lead, that's what we're or were looking no? ... anyway ... they made a totally furor about it ... leaving from the lobby, searching for another clanner, spamming, saying they weren't going to clan us ... etc ... cuz vok didn't want to play it ... not even want us to wait berria ... HOWEVER, HERE, THE HERO BERRIA INDULGED THEM and they picked our picks .... cuz ... they're friends ... ridiculous ... that's why this game is totally funny for me ... totally ironic ....
Rofl p3 never had any problems raping ckc in rr, especially roperz never had any problem to pick rr vs me. Personally its a shame people try to take influence on opponents picks. If vok doesnt like rr its not the problem of wannabe cfc same as chelseas suckage isnt any problem for tdc. Either dont clanner when you care for your points or take it. But crying about schemes is quite pathetic.
I don't see the point. Maybe I missed something, correct me if I am wrong. Otherwise, keep this:
Each clan decide their own pick and they play it. If that is their best scheme, and it is, why they shouldn't play it?! it's a league. They've been training a lot to achieve that level, it's fair if they win it, they deserve it. And btw, beating them, with Sir-J, who is the best rr player, it's hard for everyone. What should they do? Playing other schemes where they maybe suck and they don't like?
Chelsea, practice ttrr and if you care about this kind of points losts, don't look for clanner if any other p3 are around.
One thing that has always made me wilted is people who ask for " default clanner any 1?" "clanner any1, but we can't this and that, I have no partyparty mate".
Then? it's really controversial:
- I avoid these schemes because:
a - I don't like them, I wanna have fun with other schemes I like.
b - I suck in these schemes, I don't wanna lose points.
c - I suck in these schemes, I don't have fun in losing points.
d- I like only when I have opponents at my same level (Then if you are better than me, wait until I will be good enough, let's play something else. Ok, no problem, but why do you play tus and you are in a clan who is atm at the 1st position in the standing?).
What is this about? YOUR fun? YOUR points? >>>>> it's about YOU!
People who think this are super spoiled and they should think about the others, who maybe enjoy to win as you don't like to lose and they might prefer their best scheme because for sure it's the one they have practiced more. And maybe they look for points, it's not your business. It's a league.
If Chelsea is neither sufficient in rr, it's not their problem. And I point out that against them there is no game almost for everybody, specially if Ryan is there with Sir-j, it's 100% no game. Then if they pick rr it doesn't change if Chelsea or Jesus Christ is there to help Berria.
At the end...
Chelsea practice rr, you don't miss anything to be good in that. You should take it as motivation instead of crying.
And BTW, 10000 times better Chelsea than Vok who escaped and refused to play our pick. Free wins should be deserved when people act like that. And his clan or mods should do something to people like Vok.
Quote from: Peja on April 08, 2014, 09:25 AM
Rofl p3 never had any problems raping ckc in rr, especially roperz never had any problem to pick rr vs me. Personally its a shame people try to take influence on opponents picks. If vok doesnt like rr its not the problem of wannabe cfc same as chelseas suckage isnt any problem for tdc. Either dont clanner when you care for your points or take it. But crying about schemes is quite pathetic.
Agreed. I won't let my opponents change anymore my/our pick (like HHc did with me and maciej...). I never complain if my opponent picks elite, i'm not sayng elite is a shitty scheme, i'm just bad, but why should i refuse to play it? If you search for clanner, it's your responsibility to know, when you play clanner and you're only in 2, that you're going to play your opponents' pick, EVEN if you don't like their pick.
I dont really get the point either. Especially when rogi and tabak are playing. Feels like rr got totally different position compared to other schemes with this kind of cases. I hate it though if someone picks the scheme after the first game cos it messes things sometimes.
I havent played much lately but when i do i ask for default only clanners if we are two. But its because the dämn lagg issue.
agree completely with ANO.
This scheme avoiding is a big issue.
Hell, I'll ask for "tus no default" and pick up a 90% win and have easy ticket to playoffs every season.
In clanner is seems even worse, there is double standards.
I don't play leagues really and this is partly why.
I can't compete with someone who doesn't play their weaker schemes.
If someone then tells me I can't pick rr, what do I do? Report? In my mind the opponent avoided a loss.
Quote from: Ryan on April 08, 2014, 02:30 PM
If someone then tells me I can't pick rr, what do I do? Report? In my mind the opponent avoided a loss.
I have done this sometimes... If your opponent leaves if you don't change pick, what can you do?!
We should have a rule for this, to avoid people to avoid. Otherwise we will not solve this issue.
My point here is that you shouldn't pick a scheme because the team you are playing against is weak (i.e. chelsea in rr) but because you want to play this scheme. In order to avoid chelsea drop in water worms. I believe it is only fair that the opponent clan allow them some extra time (not one hour ahaha) to find another mate to play the scheme.
When asking for default clanning. I don't see the problem as far as both clan agreed before playing.
the default clanning thing f@#!s up stats though. ofc clans agree to rather play defaults instead of having no clanner at all. im quite sure cf would have significant less points if spw would have been forced playing rr. if they would have refused to clanner at all with spw in the lineup, there would be less default points gained by all these agreements. by allowing scheme agreements, the stats dont reflect the skill of your clan anymore. they reflect the skill of your best line up for each scheme.
I'm sure you are right, a clan would probably rather default than have to find another clanner.
However, a clan's inability to rope well is not a good enough reason to not play the rr.
It is an allround league. Improve at rope or take the loss you deserve.
EVERYONE HERE IS TOTALLY LOST WITH THE POINT ROFL, I GUESS BERRIA N ME ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOW THE POINT HERE LOL
i will explain u guys ... i don't know what u guys are reading lol
Quote from: Peja on April 08, 2014, 09:25 AM
Rofl p3 never had any problems raping ckc in rr, especially roperz never had any problem to pick rr vs me. Personally its a shame people try to take influence on opponents picks. If vok doesnt like rr its not the problem of wannabe cfc same as chelseas suckage isnt any problem for tdc. Either dont clanner when you care for your points or take it. But crying about schemes is quite pathetic.
Man, noone here is saying that i never pick ttrr vs another clan, i play whatever I feel convenient for the clan ... no one is crying lol, u're dude, are totally lost in the topic ... u should read it again lol and i stopped picking , i play whatever my team-mate wants lol
Quote from: ANO on April 08, 2014, 12:30 PM
I don't see the point. Maybe I missed something, correct me if I am wrong. Otherwise, keep this:
Each clan decide their own pick and they play it. If that is their best scheme, and it is, why they shouldn't play it?! it's a league. They've been training a lot to achieve that level, it's fair if they win it, they deserve it. And btw, beating them, with Sir-J, who is the best rr player, it's hard for everyone. What should they do? Playing other schemes where they maybe suck and they don't like?
Chelsea, practice ttrr and if you care about this kind of points losts, don't look for clanner if any other p3 are around.
One thing that has always made me wilted is people who ask for " default clanner any 1?" "clanner any1, but we can't this and that, I have no partyparty mate".
Then? it's really controversial:
- I avoid these schemes because:
a - I don't like them, I wanna have fun with other schemes I like.
b - I suck in these schemes, I don't wanna lose points.
c - I suck in these schemes, I don't have fun in losing points.
d- I like only when I have opponents at my same level (Then if you are better than me, wait until I will be good enough, let's play something else. Ok, no problem, but why do you play tus and you are in a clan who is atm at the 1st position in the standing?).
What is this about? YOUR fun? YOUR points? >>>>> it's about YOU!
People who think this are super spoiled and they should think about the others, who maybe enjoy to win as you don't like to lose and they might prefer their best scheme because for sure it's the one they have practiced more. And maybe they look for points, it's not your business. It's a league.
If Chelsea is neither sufficient in rr, it's not their problem. And I point out that against them there is no game almost for everybody, specially if Ryan is there with Sir-j, it's 100% no game. Then if they pick rr it doesn't change if Chelsea or Jesus Christ is there to help Berria.
At the end...
Chelsea practice rr, you don't miss anything to be good in that. You should take it as motivation instead of crying.
And BTW, 10000 times better Chelsea than Vok who escaped and refused to play our pick. Free wins should be deserved when people act like that. And his clan or mods should do something to people like Vok.
No one here is complaining bro, the game is ''fair'' they pick whatever they want ...
Quote from: Sbaffo on April 08, 2014, 12:46 PM
Quote from: Peja on April 08, 2014, 09:25 AM
Rofl p3 never had any problems raping ckc in rr, especially roperz never had any problem to pick rr vs me. Personally its a shame people try to take influence on opponents picks. If vok doesnt like rr its not the problem of wannabe cfc same as chelseas suckage isnt any problem for tdc. Either dont clanner when you care for your points or take it. But crying about schemes is quite pathetic.
Agreed. I won't let my opponents change anymore my/our pick (like HHc did with me and maciej...). I never complain if my opponent picks elite, i'm not sayng elite is a shitty scheme, i'm just bad, but why should i refuse to play it? If you search for clanner, it's your responsibility to know, when you play clanner and you're only in 2, that you're going to play your opponents' pick, EVEN if you don't like their pick.
I think the same dude, TdC have/had very weird members,,, they always try to make whatever they want, ... that's what im trying to explain here ... u're giving an example indeed ... each one pick whatever they want or feel convenient for the clan ...
Quote from: NinjaCamel on April 08, 2014, 01:12 PM
I dont really get the point either. Especially when rogi and tabak are playing. Feels like rr got totally different position compared to other schemes with this kind of cases. I hate it though if someone picks the scheme after the first game cos it messes things sometimes.
I havent played much lately but when i do i ask for default only clanners if we are two. But its because the dämn lagg issue.
it's different to ask for default clanners than simply an opponent picks both picks for the clan ... or well ... '' they won't play clanner'' ...
Quote from: Ryan on April 08, 2014, 02:30 PM
agree completely with ANO.
This scheme avoiding is a big issue.
Hell, I'll ask for "tus no default" and pick up a 90% win and have easy ticket to playoffs every season.
In clanner is seems even worse, there is double standards.
I don't play leagues really and this is partly why.
I can't compete with someone who doesn't play their weaker schemes.
If someone then tells me I can't pick rr, what do I do? Report? In my mind the opponent avoided a loss.
U're gettin' lost here, this is not the point of my topic actually, as i told before, no one here is complaining, crying or whatever lol, read the ''story'' that i said ... days ago i want to pick ttrr vs them (husk n vok) they didn't want to be raped so.. TdC made us change our pick ... I didn't want it, I discussed with berria ... but berria made them happy so they picked our pick too ...cuz ''they're friends''... and now tdc raped them lol, here im talking about irony lol
Its not your topic roperz, Chelsea started it crying about the scheme. Your the one beeing lost here and talking like beeing on mushrooms.
best drama topic 2014 ;D
I allways wanted be dramma queen :D
My point, and Ryan's one also, are commune in ag, and it's not the first time I read "enjoy yr points" in similar situations.
I suppose we can even move this discussion to a specific area, and try to get a rule for pick avoiding.
Friends or not friends, clanner belongs to a league as Ryan has said, friendship doesn't fit at all.
Try to go to the football or rugby league and say:
- "Hey guys, today Mr Muscle and Mr Gold Feet can't play, they are too good, if they play we don't."
Now they agree to let the MR team stay in the bleachers and luckily the avoider team wins.
This would be a serious league?
ahaha funny thing is that i'm quite sure husk & vok didn't want to play against you and that has nothing to do with rr or your skills :D.
Quote from: Chelsea on April 08, 2014, 06:13 PM
best drama topic 2014 ;D
I allways wanted be dramma queen :D
Only Chelsea can be runner-up for drama queen in 4 different categories!
Quote from: ArsGoetia on April 08, 2014, 07:34 AM
Actually, when we had a clanner against tdc days ago, (husk and Vok) they totally refused to play our picks
I never refused opponents pick ever =) I think u r talking out from ur ass
thats true what husk said !! i just didnt wanted to pick that rr ...... it was a mine decision.... wouldnt change it even after this game.
Quote from: TheWalrus on April 08, 2014, 09:09 PM
Quote from: Chelsea on April 08, 2014, 06:13 PM
best drama topic 2014 ;D
I allways wanted be dramma queen :D
Only Chelsea can be runner-up for drama queen in 4 different categories!
lmao!!!
there is nothing wrong with asking for "default only" if you ask for it before the games are agreed on... the only time i see it to be a problem is when you play your pick first, and then tell the other clan you refuse to roper, or ttrr....
not every person enjoys every scheme... imagine nino, and titahemp looking for a clanner, what would be the point of playing ttrr vs them?? none.... if you try to force some kind of rule, there will be an insane amount of free wins... some people just have no interest in playing certain schemes, and alot of people on worms have played for over a decade, if they are not interested in some schemes by now, they never will be... simple as that.
roperz: you claim people misunderstood, and you were not complaining... but it seemed to me like you were complaining as well :D
one more thing: majority of time a clan might ask to not ttrr... or maybe not hyst.. or not roper.... its rare that a team will say "default only" all though it does happen from time to time... mainly when a clan only has 2 players online, and one is just not a roper....
but, my point is, whats the big deal is a clan asks not to ttrr? there is what? 7 or 8 schemes in classic?? i dont find it a big deal if a clan asks to not pick 1 of those schemes, and then you can ask them not to pick 1 scheme as well, whatever scheme you are either weak in, or absolutely hate...
it just boils down to communication, and compromise....if people just communicate properly, and compromise with each other, there really should never be a problem...
Quote from: Husk on April 08, 2014, 09:12 PM
Quote from: ArsGoetia on April 08, 2014, 07:34 AM
Actually, when we had a clanner against tdc days ago, (husk and Vok) they totally refused to play our picks
I never refused opponents pick ever =) I think u r talking out from ur ass
well, u were the guy who was spamming/flooding like a stupid kid in the lobby .. don't u remember ? tellin' us that u didn't want to wait for berria ... leaving... again, and again and again ...
Quote from: Peja on April 08, 2014, 06:10 PM
Its not your topic roperz, Chelsea started it crying about the scheme. Your the one beeing lost here and talking like beeing on mushrooms.
so for u , about what's the topic??? why people reply this topic??? tell me bro... help me to find the way
to the others ... topics about avoiding... there're alots of them lol,,, don't know who started talking about that...
Goetia your posts are the most confusing ever rofl
Lol keep it going guys !! I go put my fingers in toaster.......
just take a look at tdcs scheme ranks: ttrr 1,850, the next is roper with something about 1300
but when you have a clanner with tdc you cant even pick their best scheme because of vok. you actually would have to wait until sir and rogi are online. the ttrr rank will climb sky high while their most active player sucks in the scheme.
this has nothing to do with a compromise, its a f@#!ing joke considering we are playing an allround league.
the main problem in my eyes is Monkeyisland trying to please every single fool to feel comfortable in the main league. people playing all schemes is not wanted by the staff. as long as everyone can find his hole within 8 schemes its ok. this leads to huge clans because someone has to play the schemes the others dont like. its really funny to see 5 members of the same clan beeing online and waiting hours for a clanner.
at this point i have to disagree. this league has 8 schemes, so you should have to play all of them if your opponent wants to. if you are not even able to team in and lose you are just wrong in an allround league. we already have the spw and the xrayez/chelsea leagues for people not willing to rope. if we keep people beeing comfortable with avoiding schemes the skill level will go down. right now its 5 days before the season ends and we have only one team qualified for playoffs.not because of games played, its because of the winning ratio. this is just normal development caused from these factors.
@ avirex nino hasnt played a clanner in like 2 years? besides when he was active i never saw him complain when the others picked rr. could you please use a better example?
deja vu
Finding clanners in ag is everyday more complicated.
Everybody is responsible for this.
This avoiding thing is one of the reasons and also one of the consequences at the same time.
Taking initiatives is a great thing to do. Like for example the new Avirex project. And to try to help him to make something that works good.
In the current allround league there are no rules for this avoiding stuff, hope MONKEYISLAND can take part to this discussion and move this topic to some specific area where people interested to change things could cooperate for the best.
We all know how much we love to play 2 vs 2, don't let this die. THe current system was good, but now it needs some changes.
Quote from: Peja on April 09, 2014, 01:12 PM
just take a look at tdcs scheme ranks: ttrr 1,850, the next is roper with something about 1300
but when you have a clanner with tdc you cant even pick their best scheme because of vok. you actually would have to wait until sir and rogi are online. the ttrr rank will climb sky high while their most active player sucks in the scheme.
That's true. Since vok joined tdc, all this avoiding/"tus default only" stuff started.
He must be an only child xD
ANO, I can't find one button... "+1234501" to karma. xD
Ano said all about league and this situation, i want add that we never refused to play oponents pick, even knowing we suck in ground schemes, and it's obvious lose. What about rr, p3 beat tdc in rr not one time, only coz I did't finish, sometimes my time higher than best on 10 sec, and you still put ur f@#!ing hands down, when could just win game with 2 safe run.
Guys, I respect evrybody who playing some single, clanners with me, and thanks that you not avoid and just spend time with me! But couldn't you show mutuality, not forcing change my PICK. Is not hard to respect choise of other people, rly ?
Quote from: Rogi on April 09, 2014, 06:03 PM
ANO, I can't find one button... "+1234501" to karma. xD
Ano said all about league and this situation, i want add that we never refused to play oponents pick, even knowing we suck in ground schemes, and it's obvious lose. What about rr, p3 beat tdc in rr not one time, only coz I did't finish, sometimes my time higher than best on 10 sec, and you still put ur f@#!ing hands down, when could just win game with 2 safe run.
Guys, I respect evrybody who playing some single, clanners with me, and thanks that you not avoid and just spend time with me! But couldn't you show mutuality, not forcing change my PICK. Is not hard to respect choise of other people, rly ?
no one will change ur pick, that's a tdc work lol
That's the problem with so many schemes in a league that all contribute to the same goal, PO. I have a few schemes I really dislike as well, and I pray every night that people will not pick them. ;) I look around for others to play Hysteria, shopper/wxw, and often I find statik who loves these schemes so he gladly plays them instead of me. But if I can't find a substitute I will beg 5 minutes to not pick it, but if that does not work I will swallow the pick, I will teleport into the water twice and end it quickly because my 2-3hours of Hysteria experience don't allow wins vs the pros that have hundreds of hours in hysteria experience.
My point is: Look for a mate that enjoys to play the schemes you hate, if you can't find one, beg the opponent for mercy but don't overextend it by refusing completely, it's an allround league after all and the ratings should show the overall ratings of all players combined. If you hate losing points in scheme x or scheme y, get better members or spend some time practicing with the ones in the clan that don't suck at it, or, boot your members that are too bad. :P
I don't think we can take the ratings seriously until we have random opponents (matchmaking)