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Title: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: Twyrfher on April 02, 2011, 04:03 AM
The best 2 times of cfc combined are: 108.42 (54.60 + 53.82), same with tag (53.34+55.08), what happen then? because rules says: "- Best time overall wins." It says nothing about counting only with seconds.

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Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TitiO on April 02, 2011, 05:01 AM
wow nice draw ;)
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2011, 07:06 AM
The best 2 times of cfc combined are: 108.42 (54.60 + 53.82), same with tag (53.34+55.08), what happen then? because rules says: "- Best time overall wins." It says nothing about counting only with seconds.

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54/53 is faster than 53/55

As far as I am aware TuS deal in full seconds, not milliseconds, and milliseconds in the past ONLY takes place if players finish on same full second, for example, 55/55 + 54/54 then ms would decide.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: Crazy on April 02, 2011, 11:37 AM
But if TUS counts in full seconds, the times would be 55/54 and 53/55 and TaG would win Komodo ;) Cause 54.6=55, not 54 like you wrote. If its higher then .49 in decimal, you count it upwards... 53.82=53 sec? Lol, it for sure will be 54 sec. You have counted the times in order to make it suit cfc komo xDD 
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2011, 11:53 AM
But if TUS counts in full seconds, the times would be 55/54 and 53/55 and TaG would win Komodo ;) Cause 54.6=55, not 54 like you wrote. If its higher then .49 in decimal, you count it upwards... 53.82=53 sec? Lol, it for sure will be 54 sec. You have counted the times in order to make it suit cfc komo xDD 

Lol, no you don't, in TuS you finish on the second it shows when the turn ends, so cFc won.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: Crazy on April 02, 2011, 12:08 PM
Damn TTRR, lets go back to 30 sec?
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: Twyrfher on April 02, 2011, 02:54 PM
But if TUS counts in full seconds, the times would be 55/54 and 53/55 and TaG would win Komodo ;) Cause 54.6=55, not 54 like you wrote. If its higher then .49 in decimal, you count it upwards... 53.82=53 sec? Lol, it for sure will be 54 sec. You have counted the times in order to make it suit cfc komo xDD 

Lol, no you don't, in TuS you finish on the second it shows when the turn ends, so cFc won.
Where says that?
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2011, 02:59 PM
But if TUS counts in full seconds, the times would be 55/54 and 53/55 and TaG would win Komodo ;) Cause 54.6=55, not 54 like you wrote. If its higher then .49 in decimal, you count it upwards... 53.82=53 sec? Lol, it for sure will be 54 sec. You have counted the times in order to make it suit cfc komo xDD 

Lol, no you don't, in TuS you finish on the second it shows when the turn ends, so cFc won.
Where says that?

Well, we've had this arguement before, trying to use milliseconds, and moderators say you finish on second turn ends...
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: beer on April 02, 2011, 03:03 PM
i could just understand this if the game was dC vs DoH (lmaoxd), but its not.
stop being dumbs and play an other match.

ezy
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2011, 03:04 PM
Why beer? Everyone else wins when they finish like this with full second time, why can't we, oh wait that's right, cFc lose because I left bOr...

Well sorry...
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: beer on April 02, 2011, 03:06 PM
beacoud in cfc are still fair and smart ppl, thats why

ps, stop with bor stuff lol
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2011, 03:07 PM
Yeah and according to how everyone plays TTRR, we won fair...

I actually agree with TaG here, I believe it should be with MS time, but no one said they want that, I actually started a thread a while back asking for TTRR to be decided with millisecond time, but they all said no and told me to stfu lol.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: beer on April 02, 2011, 03:12 PM
i didnt posted cose i read the rules or not.. i dnt give a f@#! about what mods think about, since this is more about use or brain that ready some rules..
i just said a way to solve the problem in nice way, also i posted cose its tag and cfc, not as i said dC vs d0h.. from those i could have understand this drama.

U can diced things like this your self, no need to ask anyone if u are wise and fair and if u feel for it. but u didnt thats why.

still u won, but not in fair way, dnt tell me that
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2011, 03:16 PM
How is it not fair? It's the way it is, it's the way it's always been on TuS, so why isn't it fair?

Why should we start using MS now just because we won like this?
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: nino on April 02, 2011, 03:19 PM
u guys are fool..it wasnot rr..it was quickdraw so who made the draw quick won ffsss
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: beer on April 02, 2011, 03:20 PM
Why should we start using MS now just because we won like this?
as always u cannt see other points komo, u're like a dunky that just see in front

i should you start using BRAIN now just beause i asked like this?

lol, gg im out of this
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2011, 03:26 PM
Why should we start using MS now just because we won like this?
as always u cannt see other points komo, u're like a dunky that just see in front

i should you start using BRAIN now just beause i asked like this?

lol, gg im out of this

Just answer the question beer, I already said I agree with you, BUT, this is just the way everyone has been doing it since TuS started as far as I know, so WHY is that unfair we played the way everyone plays?

My point is, you are saying it's unfair now because it's this game, but you never mention it before in any TTRR before, and this has probably happened thousands of times before in TuS and no one says anything...
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: beer on April 02, 2011, 03:39 PM
Why should we start using MS now just because we won like this?
as always u cannt see other points komo, u're like a dunky that just see in front

i should you start using BRAIN now just beause i asked like this?

lol, gg im out of this

Just answer the question beer, I already said I agree with you, BUT, this is just the way everyone has been doing it since TuS started as far as I know, so WHY is that unfair we played the way everyone plays?

My point is, you are saying it's unfair now because it's this game, but you never mention it before in any TTRR before, and this has probably happened thousands of times before in TuS and no one says anything...

ok your post diserve an other replay, last now XD

i dunno if that happened before, im sure not with bor and with my boys.. and why should i just say this on this game? maybe cose u started with bad arguing and its was played for two good and respected clans.. thats why.
u think that im for tagt? why should why lol, i like and respect both clans, and in my mind this kind of actituds from u, are against the way that cfc used be, in my days.. looks like not anymore (well, this is drama)

world is made for decision, not only for wrote standards, u have the power to diced our self.. no need to ask someone. sometimes u can change the history and say, ok it was alwys like that but not with me, not anymore...

this what u co ld just do, got me now? u're strong mind, not ezy to change it, why are u now folloing somethin that u dnt belive? nosense..
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: lalo on April 02, 2011, 05:19 PM
Beer did you see the replay? Do you know the probabilities to have an exact draw in rr? 1 in thousands. The times that Twyrfher said are totally biased and I invite you to watch the replay, slow it down and see with your own eyes. I can do it for you: Artic 53,44; Shasper 55,08 = TaG did 108,52. Lalo 54,62; Daina 53,82 = cFc did 108,44.
In my opinion and in my short experience studying laws, the traditions make the rules and as I am aware, when you draw you just rematch the game, without taking into consideration the infamous miliseconds.
Let's see some examples of my theory of this rr tradition: In this game (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-62599/) played by MI and Jakka, according to the MS MI won. Did he report or watch the replay to see who won? Nope, they rematched the game. We can see the same situation here (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-61406/) and this was a PO game, once again according to the MS Nail won but he didn't report, he rematched the game.
Ok I might quote other players not related to this game in particular, but I can also quote the TaG guys themselves, in this game (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-50694/), six tied TaG, one more time nobody complaints about the MS. Now, let's see another rr (https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-49849/) draw but played this time by TaG against cFc, if you slow down the replay you can see these times: Artic, 70,64; Guaton, 73,76; Lalo, 73,18; Daina, 70,46. That means cFc did 143,64 and TaG 144,4. We rematched the game and we lost, we made a complaint? What would have said TaG if we have done that and claimed for the victory?
Now let's see the facts in this specific game of PO, we can see it in these points of view: Lalo 54, Daina 53, Artic 53, Shasper 55. That means cFc did 107 and TaG 108 = cFc wins. Or we can see it this way: Lalo 54,62; Daina 53,82; Artic 53,44; Shasper 55,08. That means cFc did 108,44 and TaG 108,52 = cFc wins.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: beer on April 02, 2011, 05:26 PM
no i did not (no wa anymore on my lap) just wrote komo and crazy posts and that was enought..

you got diferent arguing then komo, well in my eyes komo are not even arguing here.

I just wanted to say that sometimes we waste to much time arguing  in things that dont diserve that, and still this is a case like that..

maybe its me cose im not playing i dnt take this seriosly anymore.

sorry
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: Twyrfher on April 02, 2011, 05:37 PM
Bah, my mistake, ArtiC was indeed 53.44, not  .34  o_O
Lalo was 54.60, so cfc wins.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: lalo on April 02, 2011, 05:38 PM
GG.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: franz on April 02, 2011, 05:39 PM
TTRR has always been decided by whole seconds. This allows for tie games (example time 45.02 is treated the same as 45.98 resulting in a tie).
The only place where TTRR has gone more exact than whole seconds is in the TTRR challenges.

It's not perfect, but everyone has accepted this for a very long time now.

edit: anyway, it looks like it's solved anyway. cfc won even with exact times too? ok, gg.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 02, 2011, 10:00 PM
no i did not (no wa anymore on my lap) just wrote komo and crazy posts and that was enought..

you got diferent arguing then komo, well in my eyes komo are not even arguing here.

I just wanted to say that sometimes we waste to much time arguing  in things that dont diserve that, and still this is a case like that..

maybe its me cose im not playing i dnt take this seriosly anymore.

sorry

beer, maybe you should stop to think about the facts before giving me BS, lalo shouldn't even have to explain things in such a way for people who can't be bothered checking the game themself, then coming here and complaining at the innocent people (me(I didn't even play it lol!), lalo and cFc), even if MS time WAS a draw we would still have won with the TuS rules.

One last thing, when you have obviously lost with full seconds (the way everyone does it(except TTRR challenge), only will someone go looking for MS time and try and claim a rematch or something if they are desperate and lame imo.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: sock on April 02, 2011, 10:10 PM
TTRR has always been decided by whole seconds. This allows for tie games (example time 45.02 is treated the same as 45.98 resulting in a tie).
The only place where TTRR has gone more exact than whole seconds is in the TTRR challenges.

It's not perfect, but everyone has accepted this for a very long time now.

edit: anyway, it looks like it's solved anyway. cfc won even with exact times too? ok, gg.

+1 ^^
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TitiO on April 03, 2011, 01:51 AM
interresting that u are fighting all this time, and noone TAG complained here lol..

beer always incorporates the problem of others and fight and discuss all the time =P

well.. apparently its solved.

btw was a vn game and times... and this question ( seconds and millinseconds in ttrr ) should be discuted in another place, more seriously.

btw² gg
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 03, 2011, 02:09 AM
I'd just like to point out, again, I am in favour of MS, but, like franz said, gg :)
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: ZiPpO on April 03, 2011, 05:06 AM
cfc wins.

daina = 53
lalo = 54
artic = 53
shasper = 55

53+54 = 107
55+53= 108.

cya

King words.
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 03, 2011, 05:32 AM
Thanks zippo +1

Oh wait, I already +1 you earlier cuz you said nice comment to nail :)
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TitiO on April 03, 2011, 05:46 AM
Thankz zippo +1

... ops -1 accidentally

to say everything that already was said. lol
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: ZiPpO on April 03, 2011, 05:48 AM
+1 of u...-999 of beer and company :P
i dont care about karma :D
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 03, 2011, 05:52 AM
+1 of u...-999 of beer and company :P
i dont care about karma :D

I've + you about 20 times Zippo, and - you about 10
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: ZiPpO on April 03, 2011, 06:17 AM
-1102.

-500 of beer.

-300 nubzillas

-302 guaton,crash and company.

:D
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: TheKomodo on April 03, 2011, 06:19 AM
I think it's evenly spread, like Lurpak, all over...
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: daiNa on April 04, 2011, 12:31 AM
lalo your post looks so good its ridiculous just like this complain

anyway ggs tag
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: Rok on April 04, 2011, 12:24 PM
It's not miliseconds, it's hundreths of seconds! mili = 1/1000. Doh!  :)
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: beer on April 04, 2011, 07:03 PM
-1102.

-500 of beer.

-300 nubzillas

-302 guaton,crash and company.

:D


u're not that important
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: Guaton on April 04, 2011, 11:53 PM
i have smited more times to angus (cos as i see , he used to smite me and he asked to ps members to smite me xD) than u zippo XD  maybe that "2" on the "302" its me XD
Title: Re: Game #63549, Reported by lalo
Post by: Crazy on April 05, 2011, 01:35 AM
Smite Angus? :'(