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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: RIP on October 12, 2014, 09:36 PM
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We played a lot of years with the PRA. Someone >10 years. And now we impose the rule created noobs for noobs. >:( >:( >:(
RIP: limited. but sometimes do not have time to attack by firing a rope.
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RIP: yes. but indiffently this is noob rules for noob players!
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LeTotalKiller: Ok, I'll elaborate a bit more, you're more restricted in your retreat if you AFG.
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LeTotalKiller: AFR is a silly rule. Enough said.
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ZexorZ: unless i am not a hoster, then i quit ;]
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ZexorZ: simple
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ZexorZ: i always play AFR, and if someone dont play AFR i just kick
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AFR is a dumb rule for shopper, because shoppers aren't about the roping, but about the efficiency of your attacks and your retreats (more the former than the latter). Besides, some weapons can't be fired from the rope.
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Ok. Cya. Shoppa with AFR forever. Nothing to do here.
In future: don't forget to remove ABL/KTL rule, because #yolo
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ye... it's like for the first time in my entire life I gotta slightly disagree with DarkOne :o
there rules were the icon of the scheme and it also made the game more funny..
shoppers aren't about the roping, but about the efficiency of your attacks and your retreats
Is bungee shopper about that.... really? not to mention Mole shopper in which retreats usually don't exist. If mole shopper has no rules so standard shopper with rope will also not have...? that's the logic I see there. It's like the root of the name of the schemes doesn't really have anything to do with other schemes but still... these schemes existed for so many years and it's kinda unfair to modify it... 30% of shopper maps have rules written on the background... and it sucks to have 1 rule ereased now.... yes, I need to write 3 dots, often... I am just that type of a guy...
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there rules were the icon of the scheme
This just means the rule should've been removed way back. It's always been pointless, there's always been discussions about it.
If my opponent hits me with a well-timed cluster from the ground and I eat 80 damage then that's a nice display of skill and should be allowed.
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In future: don't forget to remove ABL/KTL rule, because #yolo
in 1vs1 ? o_0
I <3 shoppa no afr :D that's great :)
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It's just Team 17 with Rope then :P
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So... Now on, whoever uses AFR, will be considered as cow? :o
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Besides, some weapons can't be fired from the rope.
This is weapons was deleted from sheme :(
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there rules were the icon of the scheme
If my opponent hits me with a well-timed cluster from the ground and I eat 80 damage then that's a nice display of skill and should be allowed.
yesssss!!!! good player and old player can will do atack from rope with cluster or other weapons just tossing it with the desired delay. yes this is hard, but this is real and beautiful! NOW all noobs can will do this from ground((( shame
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AFR is a stupid rule induced by complexed shopper players that couldn't rope but wanted to pretend they were ropers.
Shopper is not about roping. It's about making the most of what you get by having both skill and creativity with a wide range of weapons. And by limiting the way you can use those weapons you're hindering the point of the scheme.
The rope is just another of said weapons with, depending on map, much more focus on knocking than actual regular roping skill (as seen in ropers).
It's flawed design.
AFR is for noobs.
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out of curiosity: @ropa
which shopper scheme fits best for league games?
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AFR is for noobs.
now lost a lot of complex moments that none of those who like to attack from the ground not could do. it makes the game more simple and uninteresting. go play in Wormix guys(noobs)
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AFR is for noobs.
now lost a lot of complex moments that none of those who like to attack from the ground not could do. it makes the game more simple and uninteresting. go play in Wormix guys(noobs)
only shopper could make difficult attacks on the rope...(ground lovers do not understand)
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not that im concerned, since i dont shop, but:
removing a rule forcing to attack from rope isnt = punishing attacks from rope, is it? it just gives the opportunity to to else, too.
whats the problem, i'd welcome less rules if i'd play scheme. ???
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out of curiosity: @ropa
which shopper scheme fits best for league games?
It depends on the map. League shopper needs a common agreement on map usage first. And then tweak crate probabilities from there.
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(http://matchmaker.besaba.com/skillz.jpg)
OMG :( Shopper is no longer shopper.
It is a direct drop TUS for beginners and those who loved shopper for many years. Better just play the fun games, and not play these mangled and damaged schemes.
epic...
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RIP, you're a guaranteed winner for this year's drama queen competition. Try to use the modify post option instead of posting a new reaction every time you have a thought.
no AFR is not the same as AFG, as Hurz said.
Like ropa said: Shopper existed very early on in the game and did not have the afr rule. It only got implemented because ropers had afr as a rule and they wanted to have it too. The fact that some of you call it a classic part of shopper just shows you don't know the history of shopper. Those who have been playing for a long time know that the wmdb tournaments never had afr as a rule. It didn't make much of a difference in the game, since everybody prefers to attack from rope anyway.
Your depiction of a mangled version of shopper is either wrong or you think it was a mangled scheme to begin with - in which case, why do you care?
Anyone who has played shopper long enough to understand it, knows that roping abilities play only a minor part. You can pretend that's not the case, but that doesn't make you right. I could beat a strong roper in shopper, but I couldn't beat them in TTRR or roper (unless they mess up REALLY badly).
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WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT???!?!! WATER? :o ;D
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WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT???!?!! WATER? :o ;D
Crate after attack. :P
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And oh yea...
Without using rope, get the crate! xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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who cares? and why so many cry?
at the end there is only 1 player who pick shopper - chelsea
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In future: don't forget to remove ABL/KTL rule, because #yolo
in 1vs1 ? o_0
I <3 shoppa no afr :D that's great :)
Noob detected
btw: Dont forget also to remove CBA rule, because who cares at crate when there's zooka...
Edit: well, lets remove CAK rule completly, because who cares when there's "team17" scheme with almost same propriety (except unlimited ropes)
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In future: don't forget to remove ABL/KTL rule, because #yolo
in 1vs1 ? o_0
I <3 shoppa no afr :D that's great :)
Noob detected
Lol, as if AFR requires a lot skill to learn. You're just one of these noobs who think Shopper needs any rope technique, but yet you must suck in Roper or any other scheme with much more roping involved. Removing AFR from Shopper doesn't affect the scheme at all, it only gives you more ways of attacking, since you can either choose to attack from rope or instead attacking directly without doing a stupid risk when it comes to attack in tiny hides and you only have pidgeons or sheep launchers. Stop being a whiny bitch every time you post.
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Noob detected
You have a combined winning ratio of roughly 12% and your roping is mediocre at best. You can't possibly expect anyone here to take you seriously, spouting nonsense and calling others noobs.
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Noob detected
You have a combined winning ratio of roughly 12% and your roping is mediocre at best. You can't possibly expect anyone here to take you seriously, spouting nonsense and calling others noobs.
And?
Who the f@#! cares about winning ratio? isnt WA a fun game? tbh TUS made this game a shit. Cya take care. DarkOne ban me now. cya..
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oh wait, i forgot something darKz, HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW TUS PLAYERS ARE NOOBASHING?
Have you noticed gameplay ratio?
Have you noticed lack of activity from clanners?
Have you ever noticed a "PRO" (chelsea) that plays TUS with pro? (no, because AVOID).
So stop telling who is noob and watch the reality.
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Doesn't change the fact that your roping is kind mediocre to shout the word noob to people who don't agree with you.
I suggest you all to come back to your mole adventures if you can't argue properly. :)
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Doesn't change the fact that your roping is kind mediocre to shout the word noob to people who don't agree with you.
I suggest you all to come back to your mole adventures if you can't argue properly. :)
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Oh wait, so i shouldn't call noob a people that
Noobash
Play same map
Avoid a game with pro's
etc?
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Have you checked my last activity to tell me that my rope is mediocre?
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Noob detected
You have a combined winning ratio of roughly 12% and your roping is mediocre at best. You can't possibly expect anyone here to take you seriously, spouting nonsense and calling others noobs.
And?
Who the f@#! cares about winning ratio? isnt WA a fun game? tbh TUS made this game a shit. Cya take care. DarkOne ban me now. cya..
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oh wait, i forgot something darKz, HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW TUS PLAYERS ARE NOOBASHING?
Have you noticed gameplay ratio?
Have you noticed lack of activity from clanners?
Have you ever noticed a "PRO" (chelsea) that plays TUS with pro? (no, because AVOID).
So stop telling who is noob and watch the reality.
stfu f@#!ing kid...
I've played with all pro players.... -> https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Chelsea/leagues/?l=classic;s=40
Ray, Csongi, Dibz, Tita, Almog, Artic, KinslayeR, Berria, Sbaffo, Chicken23, Phanton, J0hny, Nico, Cash, Free, Rogi, Tomi & Jago !
so far only you avoid to paly tus games vs me... ::)
You are f@#!ing noob and avoid tus vs me, and that's the reality.... damn hypocrite... ::)
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Do roll your eyes, I stopped counting the times where you asked me privately for a game... ::) And yes the others you have a point, I'm better off learning to play to avoid being in that situation.
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Do roll your eyes, I stopped counting the times where you asked me privately for a game... ::) And yes the others you have a point, I'm better off learning to play to avoid being in that situation.
I stopped too, there was something like ... 10 times a day xD
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Noob detected
You have a combined winning ratio of roughly 12% and your roping is mediocre at best. You can't possibly expect anyone here to take you seriously, spouting nonsense and calling others noobs.
And?
Who the f@#! cares about winning ratio? isnt WA a fun game? tbh TUS made this game a shit. Cya take care. DarkOne ban me now. cya..
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oh wait, i forgot something darKz, HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW TUS PLAYERS ARE NOOBASHING?
Have you noticed gameplay ratio?
Have you noticed lack of activity from clanners?
Have you ever noticed a "PRO" (chelsea) that plays TUS with pro? (no, because AVOID).
So stop telling who is noob and watch the reality.
stfu f@#!ing kid...
I've played with all pro players.... -> https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Chelsea/leagues/?l=classic;s=40
Ray, Csongi, Dibz, Tita, Almog, Artic, KinslayeR, Berria, Sbaffo, Chicken23, Phanton, J0hny, Nico, Cash, Free, Rogi, Tomi & Jago !
so far only you avoid to paly tus games vs me... ::)
You are f@#!ing noob and avoid tus vs me, and that's the reality.... damn hypocrite... ::)
Now, HOW PRO <APPLAUSE>
show me other seasons :)
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Your sense of logic is frighteningly absent, Zex
Several people have already explained why afr is a pointless rule. If you don't think about it, but immediately rage, there's no point continuining.
For the record though, your suggestion of
btw: Dont forget also to remove CBA rule, because who cares at crate when there's zooka...
You realise you are proposing to remove the shopping aspect from shoppers? This is the only thing that actually is the essence of the scheme. To think your suggestion is in the same league as removing afr is ludicrous at best.
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Your sense of logic is frighteningly absent, Zex
Several people have already explained why afr is a pointless rule. If you don't think about it, but immediately rage, there's no point continuining.
For the record though, your suggestion of
btw: Dont forget also to remove CBA rule, because who cares at crate when there's zooka...
You realise you are proposing to remove the shopping aspect from shoppers? This is the only thing that actually is the essence of the scheme. To think your suggestion is in the same league as removing afr is ludicrous at best.
I am not proposting to remove CBA, but if all keeps removing the .... how to call it... "the essence" of shopper, then is not shopper anymore, simple.
Maybe i am wrong (because shoppa on tus is becoming a team17 scheme without unlimited rope).
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Maybe i am wrong (because shoppa on tus is becoming a team17 scheme without unlimited rope).
You're completely wrong.
Shopper is a short term skill game that requires the best use of whatever you get, sometimes even creative use to gain pile advantage, pile up enemy worms together and even attempt a plop. Depending on the map, this creativty is sometimes minimized (random hard cave maps) and it mostly becomes a roper in which there's a bigger variety of shit to throw at your opponents face, as opposed to zooks and mines; but that's ultimately what you're doing. Those maps make the scheme stupid.
Team17, on the other hand, is about long term strategy, and planning ahead with the weapons you get, more often than not, saving weapons for combos or late game and focusing on gaining control of the map.
Shopping has never been about roping. Making it about roping is a stupid response to those that think shopper is noobs, it's almost as an auto-defense mechanism shoppers adopted to be taken seriously. Those stupid cave maps, WxW (which is eseentially roper on a custom map) and this AFR rule. Historically, the best shoppers were people much more involved with default schemes and never the best ropers. Shopper has a bunch of unique tricks, and many of them are made from a standing position, that remember, is a risk-reward situation, since you get limited area retreat.
You combine this with the amount of silly custom maps with so many tree-house hides (those you enter from below) with the silly amount of pidgeons and sheep launchers (why o why? both shit weapons) that are found in today's scheme, and that's where you might think you're being robbed. But you're just hiding stupidly and not taking pile advantage of a non-retreatable worm.
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but if all keeps removing the .... how to call it... "the essence" of shopper, then is not shopper anymore, simple.
AFR is not the essence of Shopper.
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but if all keeps removing the .... how to call it... "the essence" of shopper, then is not shopper anymore, simple.
AFR is not the essence of Shopper.
Then why it was introduced?
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The majority doesn't always make the right choices. Also, read the topic again, people explain it in posts you decided to ignore.
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Then why it was introduced?
Read 2 posts above yours as well as 2 posts that state the same thing in the previous page.
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but if all keeps removing the .... how to call it... "the essence" of shopper, then is not shopper anymore, simple.
AFR is not the essence of Shopper.
Then why it was introduced?
really :)
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tbh TUS made this game a shit.
yes. and continues to make the game easier.
you refer to other resources where the shopper to play without a AFR. here he played always with the AFR as on wormnet all fan games.and honestly, it's pathetic, on the initiative of the players who are ready to simplify all the complex for scheme, which would have more points.
chelsya will want be simplify any scheme in which he can play.
and as mentioned above, all the many players stopped to play in the TUS in further. left alone nerds. Think tus should be promoted instead of draining. whither only looks MonkeyIsland.... epic
and need to listen to the usual players, and not those who Masturbating on points in overal. because in the TUS come the usual players with Wormnet. And here I can not be wrong!!!!!!!!
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tbh TUS made this game a shit.
yes. and continues to make the game easier.
you refer to other resources where the shopper to play without a AFR. here he played always with the AFR as on wormnet all fan games.and honestly, it's pathetic, on the initiative of the players who are ready to simplify all the complex for scheme, which would have more points.
chelsya will want be simplify any scheme in which he can play.
and as mentioned above, all the many players stopped to play in the TUS in further. left alone nerds. Think tus should be promoted instead of draining. whither only looks MonkeyIsland.... epic
and need to listen to the usual players, and not those who Masturbating on points in overal. because in the TUS come the usual players with Wormnet. And here I can not be wrong!!!!!!!!
what an awful post
it's as if you've taken bits and pieces of past debates, taken them completely out of context and formed a collage of demagogy and bullshit in equal proportions. Worst of all? You've done so without reading or/nor understanding all the feedback given in this thread.
so not just an awful post but an awful poster and most likely an awful person
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yes. and continues to make the game easier.
you refer to other resources where the shopper to play without a AFR. here he played always with the AFR as on wormnet all fan games.and honestly, it's pathetic, on the initiative of the players who are ready to simplify all the complex for scheme, which would have more points.
chelsya will want be simplify any scheme in which he can play.
Then why does he support a rule that gives players more options? More options = more complexity. Just look at intermediate. It's a game with a lot of weapons and worms and it becomes very complex if you play against a strong player. Ask avirex about W2 ropers, I'm sure he'll tell you all about it and all the decisions you can make.
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bls add cba to hysteria :^(
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bls add cba to hysteria :^(
And KTL to Shopper (Kill the last) :')
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bls add cba to hysteria :^(
hahaha nah
bls add cba to hysteria :^(
no no no :) hehehe
tbh TUS made this game a shit.
yes. and continues to make the game easier.
you refer to other resources where the shopper to play without a AFR. here he played always with the AFR as on wormnet all fan games.and honestly, it's pathetic, on the initiative of the players who are ready to simplify all the complex for scheme, which would have more points.
chelsya will want be simplify any scheme in which he can play.
and as mentioned above, all the many players stopped to play in the TUS in further. left alone nerds. Think tus should be promoted instead of draining. whither only looks MonkeyIsland.... epic
and need to listen to the usual players, and not those who Masturbating on points in overal. because in the TUS come the usual players with Wormnet. And here I can not be wrong!!!!!!!!
what an awful post
it's as if you've taken bits and pieces of past debates, taken them completely out of context and formed a collage of demagogy and bullshit in equal proportions. Worst of all? You've done so without reading or/nor understanding all the feedback given in this thread.
so not just an awful post but an awful poster and most likely an awful person
ask before you start the game, it might be better ... AFR OR AFG
AFG takes all the adrenaline of the game
let's make a low signed ???
:D peace dudes
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I've told minę words, AFR 4EVER and Chelsea noob (because noobashing).
Keep making simpler. 2 more Years and TUS will die for lack of activity
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Gtfo stupid kid...
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Gtfo stupid kid...
A real pro dont rage when Simeone call him noob :)
Questions?
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Please close/lock this thread DarkOne.
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Just curious: is cba really needed then? You need to "shop" crates anyway if you want to win so does it have to be a rule? Cba if anything makes the scheme about roping. Without cba you would have option to leave the crate and use drill or one your 3 grenades, for example.
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You are currently asking if we really need to make shopping mandatory in shopper. The name of the scheme kind of implies that we do :)
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do we really need to touch all walls in wxw ? xD ;D
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do we really need to touch all walls in wxw ? xD ;D
Shut up noob. Your jokes arent funny...
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Noob detected
You have a combined winning ratio of roughly 12% and your roping is mediocre at best. You can't possibly expect anyone here to take you seriously, spouting nonsense and calling others noobs.
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Who the f@#! cares about winning ratio? isnt WA a fun game? tbh TUS made this game a shit. Cya take care. DarkOne ban me now. cya..
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oh wait, i forgot something darKz, HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW TUS PLAYERS ARE NOOBASHING?
Have you noticed gameplay ratio?
Have you noticed lack of activity from clanners?
Have you ever noticed a "PRO" (chelsea) that plays TUS with pro? (no, because AVOID).
So stop telling who is noob and watch the reality.
stfu f@#!ing kid...
I've played with all pro players.... -> https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Chelsea/leagues/?l=classic;s=40 (https://www.tus-wa.com/profile/Chelsea/leagues/?l=classic;s=40)
Ray, Csongi, Dibz, Tita, Almog, Artic, KinslayeR, Berria, Sbaffo, Chicken23, Phanton, J0hny, Nico, Cash, Free, Rogi, Tomi & Jago !
so far only you avoid to paly tus games vs me... ::)
You are f@#!ing noob and avoid tus vs me, and that's the reality.... damn hypocrite... ::)
wait a minute, i'm a pro?
Btw LOL this thread. So much qq.
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You are currently asking if we really need to make shopping mandatory in shopper. The name of the scheme kind of implies that we do :)
The name implies the scheme is about shopping crates. It can be that without being mandatory each turn. Just like afr, picking up the crate is still preferable since you would otherwise leave the crate for the opponent or risk your hiding if you pick up the crate after attack.
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do we really need to touch all walls in wxw ? xD ;D
Shut up noob. Your jokes arent funny...
1. gtfo f@#!ing retarded child
2. only 1 noob here is you
3. grow up
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wow, nice topic!
i wish csongi would have posted here yesterday.
would have made sense.
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do we really need to touch all walls in wxw ? xD ;D
This will be the next relief, because there are about 6-8 people on WormNet nowadays who can play wxw..
And since those people don't really play funner games, newbies don't even know what they could reach in roping..
So they can see only ground games in #ag, like intermediate, mole shopper and supersheeper so they play that..
I wouldn't have been playing this game for more than 2 weeks if I wouldn't have found shopper scheme or wouldn't have seen some nlf guys roping..
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It's good AFR has been removed. Shopper is not classic rope scheme like wxw or roper. You use rope only for getting crate, that's all. There are maps with so hard hides that using zook or sheep is a suicide!
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It's good AFR has been removed. Shopper is not classic rope scheme like wxw or roper. You use rope only for getting crate, that's all. There are maps with so hard hides that using zook or sheep is a suicide!
ye, 100% true :)
or use petrol :)
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You are currently asking if we really need to make shopping mandatory in shopper. The name of the scheme kind of implies that we do :)
The name implies the scheme is about shopping crates. It can be that without being mandatory each turn. Just like afr, picking up the crate is still preferable since you would otherwise leave the crate for the opponent or risk your hiding if you pick up the crate after attack.
I agree.
There's no reason for CBA, it's only there as a filter to teach people they need rope basics before playing shoppers.
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It's good AFR has been removed. Shopper is not classic rope scheme like wxw or roper. You use rope only for getting crate, that's all. There are maps with so hard hides that using zook or sheep is a suicide!
dafaq i just read? Shopper is 100000000000x more classic than wxw
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isnt wxw just a ropebased shopper...?
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isnt wxw just a ropebased shopper...?
Not really. It's just a roper in a linear map where they try to remove the crate spawn luck by making the roping distance constant throughout all the game
it also tries to be inbetween by having crates, which are basically roper mines with varying damage.
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isnt wxw just a ropebased shopper...?
For me wxw is a hardened shopper, where there is not only cba, but you need to touch some walls before attacking too. It isn't a rule that map should be linear I guess.
So the basic idea was something like this in my opinion: http://wmdb.org/14041
There are maps with so hard hides that using zook or sheep is a suicide!
Yes that's true, I usually tried not to play on such maps, coz in my opinion shopper isn't roper that should be played on a hard map.. it's all about rope knocking, making piles and using your weapons the best way. There are some cases when you don't use a good weapon, coz you need to save it in case when your opponent gets a hard hiding.
So if people wouldn't use extremely hard maps for shopper, just to make it roper with 30 secs, then afr wouldn't be dead big deal.
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Your opinion is wrong. You're free to have it, though.
We're going to call Elite a "hardened" BnG because you can move and have more weapons? They both have infinite grenades.
I say this because I assume you're comparing WxW and Shopper because they both have infinite ropes right?
Then why is defaulters are the better shoppers (unless we're playing in cavern shit maps were roping skill overtakes everything else)? Why are good WxWers better ropers?
Roping in shopping is like Bnging in Elite. It's barely a complementary skill. Shopping is much more similar to Team17, but barely so, because strategies are so different, Shopper is more like a short term Team17. The rope is only there to multiplicate the weapon usage options and making the scheme rich enough to have survived all this time with such popularity. A popularity roping doesn't have because it actually requires roping skill. Like WxW. Unless played on a noob map were you have 10 seconds to decide what to do after touching all walls.
When I talk to WxW I specifically talk about playing it in a map were a very fast roper making use of fast scrolls and fast spikes can barely touch all walls and have only a couple of seconds to shoot. "Proper" in a nutshell.
It's people that didn't realize these concepts and played shoppers the ones that ended up inventing WxW. And because of this, and it becoming some sort of gimmicky "shopper for pros", because it filtered those who couldn't rope, from the plenty and plenty of public shopper/wxw that used to be hosted in #ag, and made them feel a step above. This feeling is what made ropers cringe, and thus they long considered WxWers to be noobs and WxW to be a shit scheme who had more memorization than improvisation. And they were right in a sense, since a WxW only player would struggle much more translating to Roper random maps than the other way around, providing the latter can somewhat RR.
How is this not beyond obvious?
edit: the solution to this would be to define said schemes and stablish an OFFICIAL ENFORCED map pack influenced by said definition. Because in these schemes, map selection changes the gameplay completely, and people tweak this to fit their particular needs, making shopper more similar to roper than to shopper, or making WxW a shopper. It's meta, but it's what people do. And it doesn't make any f@#!ing sense you guys have scheme rankings and shit it goes against that. This needs to be a priority.
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i think we talk about maps like this: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-181015/
;D
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Your opinion is wrong. You're free to have it, though.
Thx ;)
I say this because I assume you're comparing WxW and Shopper because they both have infinite ropes right?
No I compared wxw to shopper, because wxw has the same rules as shopper + wba.
Then why is defaulters are the better shoppers (unless we're playing in cavern shit maps were roping skill overtakes everything else)?
Ofc, who can play deafult schemes well, knows a lot of tactics, and about 10% of them is used in shopper too.. so, since they know them (e.g. "turn advantage"), they can beat a player who doest.. but the amount of skills that are required for shopper isn't that much, you don't need to be a good defaulter to be pro in shopper. A player who were played only rrs in his life can learn how to play shopper in a short time too (not everybody! but I know some good shopper players who were pro in shopper before they got good in default schemes). And then the roper will probably roping much safer than a defaulter, who will make 1 or 2 rope mistakes and so the roper may win the game. What I want to say is that you can't say that defaulters are better in shopper than ropers, this is just not true. Chelsea is a good defaulter, bad roper, but good in shopper. I am good in roper, bad in deafult schemes, but good in shopper. So even thought I am a roper I managed to learn those little skills for shopper.
Why are good WxWers better ropers?
Because they can rope well and who can't even reach a wxw roping skill usually can't play roper too. However it's not required to be good in wxw to be good in roper or vice versa. That's why I can't compare wxw to roper.. they both need roping skills, but not the same (because of the map style) and other tactics.
By the way, you may be right, because I wasn't here when wxw were invented. I just wanted to correct, that you thought I compared wxw to shopper just because infinite ropes :D
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isnt wxw just a ropebased shopper...?
Not really. It's just a roper in a linear map where they try to remove the crate spawn luck by making the roping distance constant throughout all the game
it also tries to be inbetween by having crates, which are basically roper mines with varying damage.
When I talk to WxW I specifically talk about playing it in a map were a very fast roper making use of fast scrolls and fast spikes can barely touch all walls and have only a couple of seconds to shoot. "Proper" in a nutshell
WxW could try to be inbetween also by having maps that support creative/effective weapon use and have places for blocking the opponent (which is forbidden in roper). In most wxw maps getting cluster bomb, for example, means bad luck because you can't place it in a tight place. With better map design you could make a quick knock in the last second and make ~70 dmg with a cluster instead of using bazooka. You can call it "roper with shopper elements" or "hardened shopper". Having only couple of seconds to shoot can mean "hardened shopper" in certain type of map. If wxw is ment to be just roper with constant roping distance, I don't understand why it has crates or why blocking is allowed.
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remove shopper classic lehuahe ? Who be against?
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remove shopper classic lehuahe ? Who be against?
Remove both hysteria and shopper from classic league and make a new league. TNL (The Noobs League) hueheue.
Also add mole shopper in
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certain things don't change I see,,, 5 pages of gn gn gn gn gn gn... so boring.
just play :)
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remove shopper classic lehuahe ? Who be against?
Remove both hysteria and shopper from classic league and make a new league. TNL (The Noobs League) hueheue.
Also add mole shopper in
We already tried naming a league "TNL." It didn't work out, and now all the games played there are lost forever, all because of noobs like you. If you want TNL, click the globe in my mini profile.
Also, add mole shopper in where? I don't know where you'd add mole shopper. I mean, I'm coooooooooooonfuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuused!