The Clanner standings atm
1 cFc 2904 1965 939 67.67% +5 +22/-11 7480 [Elite]
2 CF 1064 780 284 73.31% -4 +24/-5 7391 [Elite]
3 ps 2005 1205 800 60.1% +4 +21/-11 5484 [Highly Distinguished]
4 CKC 2244 1281 963 57.09% -4 +18/-12 5474 [Highly Distinguished]
5 mm 2024 1143 881 56.47% -1 +15/-10 5431 [Highly Distinguished]
I have noticed cFc have been 1st overall for quite some time now and no one has really noticed(or at least it hasn't felt like it), and right now it's a really close fight between 1st and 2nd, and also between 3rd 4th and 5th, look how close cFc and CF are, and how close ps CKC and mm are.
Although mm has won the last 3 PO's, cFc and CF still remain to overally play better throughout Seasons but don't really get any glory lol:
Season 21:
PO#1 cFc 167 120 47 71.86% +1 +20/-5 3908 7480 [Elite]
PO#2 rOx 123 76 47 61.79% +1 +7/-5 2639 3525 [Above Average]
PO#3 ps 122 78 44 63.93% +1 +9/-5 2557 5484 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#4 CKC 94 57 37 60.64% -1 +7/-5 2470 5474 [Highly Distinguished]
Season 22:
PO#1 cFc 133 92 41 69.17% +4 +17/-4 3376 7480 [Elite]
PO#2 CF 77 53 24 68.83% -1 +6/-3 2908 7391 [Elite]
PO#3 mm 261 138 123 52.87% +5 +13/-6 2867 5431 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#4 ps 129 82 47 63.57% -3 +8/-4 2721 5484 [Highly Distinguished]
Season 23:
PO#1 ps 153 109 44 71.24% -1 +15/-4 3787 5484 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#2 CF 77 58 19 75.32% +7 +14/-5 3010 7391 [Elite]
PO#4 mm 242 127 115 52.48% +1 +8/-6 2945 5431 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#3 cFc 102 75 27 73.53% -1 +9/-3 2932 7480 [Elite]
Season 24:
PO#1 cFc 129 98 31 75.97% +1 +15/-3 3689 7480 [Elite]
PO#2 CKC 119 82 37 68.91% -2 +18/-4 3162 5474 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#3 mm 177 106 71 59.89% +4 +8/-5 3095 5431 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#4 CF 72 57 15 79.17% +11 +18/-4 3059 7391 [Elite]
Season 25:
PO#1 mm 177 128 49 72.32% +2 +13/-3 4382 5431 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#2 cFc 166 120 46 72.29% -1 +15/-6 4283 7480 [Elite]
PO#3 CKC 115 73 42 63.48% +1 +9/-5 3366 5474 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#4 eS 141 75 66 53.19% +3 +7/-7 2433 3781 [Fairly Competent]
Season 26:
PO#1 cFc 165 114 51 69.09% +2 +10/-5 4515 7480 [Elite]
PO#2 CKC 255 142 113 55.69% -1 +9/-7 4273 5474 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#3 mm 179 112 67 62.57% +1 +13/-5 3887 5431 [Highly Distinguished]
PO#4 CF 101 72 29 71.29% +1 +11/-3 3714 7391 [Elite]
Season 27 (so far, ps going strong also 1st 5 games, GJ):
1 cFc 15 12 3 80% +5 +5/-2 1535 7480 [Elite]
2 ps 5 4 1 80% +4 +4/-1 1215 5484 [Highly Distinguished]
3 mm 6 4 2 66.67% -1 +3/-1 1116 5431 [Highly Distinguished]
4 CF 6 2 4 33.33% -4 +2/-4 1103 7391 [Elite]
5 l3x 5 2 3 40% -2 +1/-2 1093 1688 [Inexperienced]
6 eS 4 2 2 50% +1 +1/-1 1072 3781 [Fairly Competent]
7 TdC 3 1 2 33.33% -2 +1/-2 1043 1957 [Rookie]
8 WKFB 4 1 3 25% +1 +1/-3 996 1038 [Absolute Beginner]
9 CKC 3 0 3 0% -3 0/-3 966 5474 [Highly Distinguished]
10 GrW 5 0 5 0% -5 0/-5 925 -324 [Absolute Beginner]
mm just straight out owned during Season 25, really got their form together, it kinda reminds me of when it was HoS and TEA dominating and every now and again some other very strong clans doing very good, but now mm ps and CKC are starting to get just as good, I don't know what anyone else thinks, but I find all this pretty exciting and interesting and wish it was more of a fuss...
I totally agree. All 5 teams are doing really great and there is a really high lvl in the league.
I'm surprise cFc has got a so high rank, I thought it would be mm and CF fighting for 1st position, but yeah, cFc is really doing great in clanners and are really active.
mm winning last 3 POs, I think mablak is kinda the reason of this :P
Btw ps is doing 4-0 so far :D The defait was a 1st season game, so yeah we started pretty well :)
I think in this season in PO could be 8 not 4 clans :)
cFc CF CKC mm eS l3x TdC PS :)
Yeah and it's now like, I feel, any of the top 5 clans are good enough to win PO and Seasons now, anything can happen...
Ooo, ps are 4-0, awesome, not exactly mega impressive cuz only 4 games, but i'd love to see how far you guys will go without losing xD
Xd pick default vs me+albtraum and we are done :) We are the only active atm so ;P
It would have been very interesting with angus+dulek active tho =)
Quote from: Chelsea on June 25, 2012, 08:09 AM
I think in this season in PO could be 8 not 4 clans :)
cFc CF CKC mm eS l3x TdC PS :)
Bad idea if 8 clans are in PO, there will be no fight to reach it and having 8 clans fighting to reach top 4 is really exciting. It will force people to be focus every game and active too :)
Imagine if al 8 clans are in PO.. We would not care at all of any clanner.
we could be like mm, you know, make our own bragging threads
Quote from: ropa on June 25, 2012, 09:11 AM
we could be like mm, you know, make our own bragging threads
Lol, in a way I kinda just did, feel free to join in CF xD
We don't brag, we just have a profile on TUS.
Quote from: Ray on June 25, 2012, 10:05 AM
We don't brag, we just have a profile on TUS.
::)
mm doesn't focus as much on regular season as we focus on playoffs. Overall points doesn't really reflect our true skill level which should be obvious. Anyone here really thinks that mm aint on the same level as cfc and cf?
Quote from: Free on June 25, 2012, 11:28 AM
mm doesn't focus as much on regular season as we focus on playoffs. Overall points doesn't really reflect our true skill level which should be obvious. Anyone here really thinks that mm aint on the same level as cfc and cf?
Everyone is the same dude, you force me to bring this up to disprove your statement - cFc don't even put in full effort all PO games, remember our BnG? We lost cuz we jus didn't wanna play lame - I don't care about winning if there is no enjoyment lol, I am sure you guys feel the same.
Overall points do reflect your true skill level, of mm's entire career, it isn't going to take in effect when "Mablak plays" or else all clans could say the same thing about their best players/squads for each scheme.
Well, you are actually kinda right then, but, it applies to everyone, not just mm.
But don't we deserve credit for our worst players being better than your worst players?
Quote from: Free on June 25, 2012, 11:28 AM
mm doesn't focus as much on regular season as we focus on playoffs. Overall points doesn't really reflect our true skill level which should be obvious. Anyone here really thinks that mm aint on the same level as cfc and cf?
I don't know, can we compare Irving to Chauncey Billups? I think Irving might be even better, but he doesn't have the same amount of NBA titles never mind the Finals MVP Billups has, but for all we know, he could get a career ending injury next week. Skill wise, they're comparable, but Irving has a looong way to go to be mentioned in the same sentence as Chauncey.
So Komito, you speak for the entire cFc when you act like a douche and quit the game?
It's also not just about "Mablak plays", it's not like CF doesn't have Random or cFc Arctic/sock or CKC's Crash/Dub.
What matters is the dotted line, the clan that wins the whole season. mm is about to break the longest winning streak in history of TUS but yeah.. we sux.
Pay attention to how many games TOP 5 clans have played.
CF has played half the amount of games and still they are almost #1, that's a really nice feat so taking that into account, CF is OWNING the Overall standings.. but those points doesn't matter if you lose the playoffs.
CF got the best overall pourcentage of wins. But if you look closer : They have done a total of
1064 games.
Random 79% of win, played 57% of games
Ray 73% of win, 33% of games (remember that it will be more than 100% coz its duo games)
Darkz 73% of win, 30% of games
SPW 78% of win, 20% of games
Unique 70% of wins, 22% of games
Yanme 69% of wins, 14% of games
mm got 2026 games; but :
mablak 75% of win, got only 14% of games
barman, 58% of win, 25% of games.
Statik, 64% of win, 16% of games.
Devilage, 48% of win, 24% of games.
Avirex, 52% of win, 35% of games.
Shyguy, 54% of win, 24% of games.
If you compare, CF got all a very good pourcentage of wins, which can means they all the time are more than 2 on clanners so they can choose who are the best to play each schemes, but it meanly means they have very good overall players.
mm got a less good % of win, mablack aint playing a lot. Which means maybe their players are less overall (so if they are 2 to play clanner they can be "counter picked" by a schemes they are not the best at, but if their mates were here they could have got a chance. It can mean they are not focus this much, or that without mablak they are not so good :D
If you look at POs mablak is playing like 90% of times and thats why for me they win it. The only games he lost were hysterias, and once wxw with dibz against daina/artic.
I'm 100% sure that mm wont win any of the three finals without mablak. Its like he's giving even some +50%-Damage and +50% Armor to all teammates. He's really a huge factor. But every clan has to live with that and taking it as a challenge. CF is hungry for 7th gold trophy and we would be dissapointed, if Mablak wont play. This has nothing to do with the semifinal against cFc. This will be a hard fight and a coinflip who's winning it. Its really great to have such a nice competiton nowadays and I wanna thank all players which still playing this game active. :-*
All top clans having some really good allrounders in it. I guess its the first time that w:a has such a nice competition in clanners. Keep it up! :)
Yeah mablak probably is the reason of that mm power in playoffs but its a good challenge and as you I prefer him to play than not to play PO games.
I love challenges and playing against Mab in a PO clanner in rr/roper for me would be really exciting and i look forward to it (next 2 months ? :/ )
Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 09:13 PM
. I guess its the first time that w:a has such a nice competition in clanners. Keep it up! :)
Nah, there's been times with much more competition and more contenders. In WL, from the top of my head, whilst HoS kind of dominated there were plenty of other top clans to today's 3: t5x, eif, susuii, dwi, bS, CoN, AC etc etc.
That sounds to me like 100 years ago right after w:a got released and all were semi-noobs ;d Maybe more competiton, but not on that level like today.
Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 10:10 PM
That sounds to me like 100 years ago right after w:a got released and all were semi-noobs ;d Maybe more competiton, but not on that level like today.
whaaaaaaaaaat. That was like... in 2003.... You're really dismissing much of WA's history just because. You have a lot of clanmmates who were around at the time ???
back in 2003 there were pro players who had 5 year experience? now we have pro players who have 10+ year experience... ofc today the level is higher
Inactivity is a bitch and after some time it seems you lose reality.
Quote from: Husk on June 25, 2012, 10:33 PM
back in 2003 there were pro players who had 5 year experience? now we have pro players who have 10+ year experience... ofc today the level is higher
who in the top 10 has that experience? but why is that relevant? I was only saying that there's been times were the clan competition was more fierce... sigh
we r talking about clanners, this topic is about clanners. so I'd say quite many people in "top 10" have that experience. it is not relevant, because u r talking about clan competition and I'm talking about the skill level. I couldn't talk with you about the clan competition going back in 2003 because I was still new back then and had no interest to clans, so I believe u when u say the clan competition was better than what it is today.
but I'd rather have few high skill level clans, than several good clans.
Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 10:45 PM
Inactivity is a bitch and after some time it seems you lose reality.
like I said, since you clearly seem to think I'm delusional, go ask your clanmates that were around, ask them if it was only 3 top clans. You're kind of embarrassing yourself.
Quote from: Husk on June 25, 2012, 11:09 PM
we r talking about clanners, this topic is about clanners. so I'd say quite many people in "top 10" have that experience. it is not relevant, because u r talking about clan competition and I'm talking about the skill level. I couldn't talk with you about the clan competition going back in 2003 because I was still new back then and had no interest to clans, so I believe u when u say the clan competition was better than what it is today.
but I'd rather have few high skill level clans, than several good clans.
if your point was that the best players today would beat the best players in the past in an allaround match then yes, I agree. but the clans I mentioned didn't just have players, they had very good players. I don't know why you guys always have the tendency to make of these talks some sort of old school vs new school fights but it's kind of sad we can't just chat about worms without making claims with nothing whatsoever to back them up (SPW), and when somoene (me) comes to try and shred some light on the topic I get the delusional tag? Kind of sucks, no?
SPW is using manipulative means to try make your opinion weigh less just because u r inactive. I don't like that.
sorry if it looked like it, but I wasn't the one calling u delusional. I respect ur opinion regardless how active u r
Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 09:13 PM
I'm 100% sure that mm wont win any of the three finals without mablak.
:D Way to shit all over mm with just one sentence. Yes, he's our biggest asset, which he would be in any clan he would be in. CF has Random and blah blah...
Anyways.
Talking about old times vs now: skill level is definately bigger, people would make a huge fuss about VolcoM since he roped almost flawlessly (no falls and made pretty much all doable cr8s) and flawless playing nowadays is default thing to do if your pr0. Defaults.. well no need to go there.
Competition when considering activity was at highest on WACL times in my opinion, but when skill-level and activity both are taken into consideration I'd say it was during FB times when dt dominated.. in my opinion naturally.. it's only opinions. Total skill level is naturally highest nowadays.. you learn more the more you play. Simple.
Quote from: ropa on June 25, 2012, 09:50 PM
Nah, there's been times with much more competition and more contenders. In WL, from the top of my head, whilst HoS kind of dominated there were plenty of other top clans to today's 3: t5x, eif, susuii, dwi, bS, CoN, AC etc etc.
What are the 3 clans you are talking about?
Out of all those clans you just mentioned what would you consider at the same level as those 3 from today?
I don't want to disrespect any of those clans, but you are f@#!ing delusional if you think all those clans count as being top clans while only 3 clans count as the top today.
The very fact that you say HoS dominated back then totally negates your argument that there was more competition and more contenders.
I'll play along with your troll
Quote from: Free on June 26, 2012, 01:20 AM
:D Way to shit all over mm with just one sentence. Yes, he's our biggest asset, which he would be in any clan he would be in. CF has Random and blah blah...
Hey you forgot Flori in ps! Shame on you. I rox overall elite hysteria...
Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 09:13 PMI'm 100% sure that mm wont win any of the three finals without mablak.
Dude! ???
Quote from: Dub-c on June 26, 2012, 01:46 AM
Quote from: ropa on June 25, 2012, 09:50 PM
Nah, there's been times with much more competition and more contenders. In WL, from the top of my head, whilst HoS kind of dominated there were plenty of other top clans to today's 3: t5x, eif, susuii, dwi, bS, CoN, AC etc etc.
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The very fact that you say HoS dominated back then totally negates your argument that there was more competition and more contenders.
Thats exactly what I thought as well lol. But imo this whole discussion is pointless. The most important thing is that we still have fun playing this old game, isnt it? :)
I totally just disagree with everything you said at me Free, I just see things differently and have a different opinion from you, so whetever lol.
Now this might look like I think mm sucks or something which is the complete opposite, they always have and always will continue to impress and inspire me for certain reasons, but anyway here:
I don't feel mm are as strong as you think in clanners, where you consider "winning the PO" as the only thing that matters, regardless of how they managed to do this and the circumstances, I feel the complete opposite, IMO mm's 3 strongest schemes in the playoffs are BnG, TTRR, Elite, BnG only because Mablak taught Barman to notch, your competition for BnG is at an advantage because of notching, soon when others know how to notch, this won't be as easy for you, I honestly feel cFc had good chance of winning if I wasn't such a fussy twat and gave away the BnG cuz I didn't wanna play lame at 1st and then quit, and I didn't want to play Hysteria either and imo me/daina are cFc's best Hysteria team, so that's 2 schemes already you won easy, you don't have to care or agree with it, but just think about that, and remember it.
TTRR I feel is pretty much equal when mm's and cfc's top TTRR players are at their best, sometimes Mablak gets 4/5 seconds faster than most so that may give them the edge, but in Clanners, live, he's more human than in the challenges.
All other schemes I feel would just go 50/50 because of things like luck/who starts etc, look how well eS done against mm, they lost 3-2, that's only 1 game from winning...
ps, CKC, CF, cfc could all win PO just as "easily" as mm, this is why I feel "overall" is more important to me personally, even if Mablak was as active as the rest of us, I still feel the standings would pretty much be the same because it's still 2v2/3v3 games and not everyone is Mablak or Random or ArtiC lol.
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 07:42 AM
I totally just disagree with everything you said at me Free, I just see things differently and have a different opinion from you, so whetever lol.
Now this might look like I think mm sucks or something which is the complete opposite, they always have and always will continue to impress and inspire me for certain reasons, but anyway here:
I don't feel mm are as strong as you think in clanners, where you consider "winning the PO" as the only thing that matters, regardless of how they managed to do this and the circumstances, I feel the complete opposite, IMO mm's 3 strongest schemes in the playoffs are BnG, TTRR, Elite, BnG only because Mablak taught Barman to notch, your competition for BnG is at an advantage because of notching, soon when others know how to notch, this won't be as easy for you, I honestly feel cFc had good chance of winning if I wasn't such a fussy twat and gave away the BnG cuz I didn't wanna play lame at 1st and then quit, and I didn't want to play Hysteria either and imo me/daina are cFc's best Hysteria team, so that's 2 schemes already you won easy, you don't have to care or agree with it, but just think about that, and remember it.
TTRR I feel is pretty much equal when mm's and cfc's top TTRR players are at their best, sometimes Mablak gets 4/5 seconds faster than most so that may give them the edge, but in Clanners, live, he's more human than in the challenges.
All other schemes I feel would just go 50/50 because of things like luck/who starts etc, look how well eS done against mm, they lost 3-2, that's only 1 game from winning...
ps, CKC, CF, cfc could all win PO just as "easily" as mm, this is why I feel "overall" is more important to me personally, even if Mablak was as active as the rest of us, I still feel the standings would pretty much be the same because it's still 2v2/3v3 games and not everyone is Mablak or Random or ArtiC lol.
Yea whatever man, I know every top clan could win the playoffs.. but they haven't in past 3 seasons because we have. It's simple like that, drop the excuses.
eS got close because I lost the T17 for us (shot myself when I was making the winning move, it would be 3-0) and then they got the hysteria. Man I just hate hysteria. :D
It's not excuses, it's facts, I don't mean to offend, I am just saying, don't get too over-confident lol.
And I did say "50/50 because of things like luck/who starts etc" which includes mistakes, eg, you shooting yourself.
Well that's how i see it :
Overall is a fight between every player of each clan, and POs is a fight between the best player of each clan.
Quote from: Flori on June 26, 2012, 08:46 AM
Well that's how i see it :
Overall is a fight between every player of each clan, and POs is a fight betùùen the best player of each clan.
Yup, pretty much the same here mate.
But well CF cheat at this, Random is into 60% of games
Quote from: Flori on June 26, 2012, 08:50 AM
But well CF cheat at this, Random is into 60% of games
That is pretty irrelevant, CF pick and choose their games more carefully than all other clans, maybe not anymore, and they have more great players who joined recently like franz and Cueshark, and Unique I see has re-joined.
All other clans I know pretty much have always just went for it.
I know i was kidding.
If you make a cup and each player of each clan has to play against each player of the other clan, CF wins easily.
Quote from: Flori on June 26, 2012, 08:57 AM
I know i was kidding.
If you make a cup and each player of each clan has to play against each player of the other clan, CF wins easily.
Hmmm, i'd disagree there, based on the "TuS" picking system, I personally am ridiculously good at BnG Hysteria and Roper, I am good enough at other schemes to "maybe" get a win in one of their picks if lucky and on perfect form...
And there are alot of players just like me out there, specialise in 2/3 schemes, that's all they need lol.
i meaned overall skills. CF got a lot of v good overall players.
And i'm like you : wxw roper rr ^^
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 08:45 AM
It's not excuses, it's facts, I don't mean to offend, I am just saying, don't get too over-confident lol.
And I did say "50/50 because of things like luck/who starts etc" which includes mistakes, eg, you shooting yourself.
How they are facts when they are just simply YOUR opinions? :D
Edit: woops, my brothers account was on.
-Free
Avirex says:
seems like alot of haters on mm, wtf... are we the new miami heat and mablak is lebron? seems that way... i hope that does not make me chris bosch hahaha
SPW, you say we are nothing in PO without Mablak? i feel the same way about CF without Random...
and if it came down to those 2 great influences out of the competition, i honestly think mm would come out on top... so whats your point?
and komo: mm does not sit and wait for the perfect line up for clanners.... like cfc and CF does... i hardly see clanners played by cfc without dainub, and artic present, and CF seems like they wont clanner unless they have 4+ members online...
mm clanners whenever the hell, vs who ever the hell, with whoever the hell.....
ill be in AG with just me and neptune publicly asking for clanners, do we have a chance in ground schemes? prolly not... do we have a chance in ttrr? not yet (give him another week or so ;p )
but we still compete.... mm has won 3 playoffs in a row and you can give all the credit to mablak despite if its always deserved (he said himself he was outplayed by all his mates in the last playoffs, the key player in each game was his mate not him) and disscredit the rest of mm all you want... but id rather be in a clan with big balls, then big overall stats Grin and mm has the big balls of wnet! just ask peja :p
NepTuNe, who are you again? Forgot what your name was before lol...
No, the fact I don't believe mm are as strong as how strong mm think mm are, is an opinion.
My reasons for having that opinion, are facts.
Edit: Peja, I only play with daina etc because of timezones, and I was busy with music most of the time lalo was here, we did play alot at the beginning, but I got bored lol, and madog jus doesn't wanna play most of the time, innocently, and I can't force him lol.
cFc are nowhere near as bad as CF, anytime I don't wanna play is cuz I can't be arsed or don't have any clanmates online, and daina artic etc all share same timezone so they always on same time, and I hope you take that back because I don't think it's true.
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 09:50 AM
NepTuNe, who are you again? Forgot what your name was before lol...
No, the fact I don't believe mm are as strong as how strong mm think mm are, is an opinion.
My reasons for having that opinion, are facts.
Edit: Peja, I only play with daina etc because of timezones, and I was busy with music most of the time lalo was here, we did play alot at the beginning, but I got bored lol, and madog jus doesn't wanna play most of the time, innocently, and I can't force him lol.
cFc are nowhere near as bad as CF, anytime I don't wanna play is cuz I can't be arsed or don't have any clanmates online, and daina artic etc all share same timezone so they always on same time, and I hope you take that back because I don't think it's true.
i just used a quote of avi cause he is muted . . .
Quote from: Peja on June 26, 2012, 09:48 AM
Avirex says:
seems like alot of haters on mm, wtf... are we the new miami heat and mablak is lebron? seems that way... i hope that does not make me chris bosch hahaha
SPW, you say we are nothing in PO without Mablak? i feel the same way about CF without Random...
and if it came down to those 2 great influences out of the competition, i honestly think mm would come out on top... so whats your point?
and komo: mm does not sit and wait for the perfect line up for clanners.... like cfc and CF does... i hardly see clanners played by cfc without dainub, and artic present, and CF seems like they wont clanner unless they have 4+ members online...
mm clanners whenever the hell, vs who ever the hell, with whoever the hell.....
ill be in AG with just me and neptune publicly asking for clanners, do we have a chance in ground schemes? prolly not... do we have a chance in ttrr? not yet (give him another week or so ;p )
but we still compete.... mm has won 3 playoffs in a row and you can give all the credit to mablak despite if its always deserved (he said himself he was outplayed by all his mates in the last playoffs, the key player in each game was his mate not him) and disscredit the rest of mm all you want... but id rather be in a clan with big balls, then big overall stats Grin and mm has the big balls of wnet! just ask peja :p
Yeah Avi pretty much said it all. The biggest thing you guys don't seem to understand is that we do NOT take regular seasons even close to as seriously as we could, that's why I feel Overall ain't the correct way to judge us.. it just doesn't reflect reality.
I Agree for CF not clanning if they are not 4+ around.
About cfc, thats wrong peja, they dont care at all being 2+. We played a lof of clanners vs cfc when they were only 2.
Free : I guess we can not evaluate ur team lvl them. As you dont play clanners on 100% and as mablak is mainly the reason of your team winning POs.. We dont know mm lvl :P
Yah, and not to mention, you are not the only clan who plays alot of Season games for fun, cFc and CF could probably be even better than they are, same with so many other clans...
Hum CF is really playing every game at 200%... Thats germans..
if Mablak is the only reason why we win POs, then Random00 is the only reason why CF gets into POs. Fair enough lol.
Quote from: Flori on June 26, 2012, 10:08 AM
Free : I guess we can not evaluate ur team lvl them. As you dont play clanners on 100% and as mablak is mainly the reason of your team winning POs.. We dont know mm lvl :P
Sheesh. Ain't Mablak in mm? You guys make it look like it's Mablak and mm. We have very very strong allrounders so c'mon cut the crap already. Our roping line-up is as strong as anybodys even without Mablak.. we would have very devastating BnG without Mablak also.
Maybe you guys should actually watch our PO games to see that Mablak is a human being and not a God. We have really strong allrounders which all have their own special schemes. Mablak just owns at every scheme.. (except Hysteria xD) but when we bring our specialists, the difference ain't really that big.
Why don't you guys shit all over CF and Random then? Every clan has their player that is overall better than anybody else in the clan.
Quote from: Flori on June 26, 2012, 10:08 AM
I Agree for CF not clanning if they are not 4+ around.
About cfc, thats wrong peja, they dont care at all being 2+. We played a lof of clanners vs cfc when they were only 2.
Free : I guess we can not evaluate ur team lvl them. As you dont play clanners on 100% and as mablak is mainly the reason of your team winning POs.. We dont know mm lvl :P
Quote from: Peja on June 26, 2012, 10:04 AM
i just used a quote of avi cause he is muted . . .
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 08:47 AM
Quote from: Flori on June 26, 2012, 08:46 AM
Well that's how i see it :
Overall is a fight between every player of each clan, and POs is a fight betùùen the best player of each clan.
Yup, pretty much the same here mate.
I disagree with this based off of the fact that clanners are 2v2... how does Mablak playing magically make the other teammate better? I'm not going to deny Mablak is one of the best players in the history of the game, but Mablak will not magically make the other teammate rope faster, make more accurate shots, etc. Sure, he provides great tactics for elite and t17 in game, but there is a lot of executing involved... just cos mab is playing with you doesnt mean you will smoothly use a tricky skunk or rope far to attack someone in elite, for example. I will personally say I think my clan relies too much on Mablak, like when I was denied by my own clan to play the ttrr PO against eS. sorry mm, that was still bullshit lol
Of course Shyguy, we never said he is doing everything alone.
But having mablak is like starting with more hp :D
Quote from: Dub-c on June 26, 2012, 01:46 AM
Quote from: ropa on June 25, 2012, 09:50 PM
Nah, there's been times with much more competition and more contenders. In WL, from the top of my head, whilst HoS kind of dominated there were plenty of other top clans to today's 3: t5x, eif, susuii, dwi, bS, CoN, AC etc etc.
What are the 3 clans you are talking about?
Out of all those clans you just mentioned what would you consider at the same level as those 3 from today?
I don't want to disrespect any of those clans, but you are f@#!ing delusional if you think all those clans count as being top clans while only 3 clans count as the top today.
The very fact that you say HoS dominated back then totally negates your argument that there was more competition and more contenders.
I'll play along with your troll
Let's add CKC to the list to save us all future trouble regarding this discussion.
Okay, take the two best players at each scheme from CKC and jump into AG to find a clanner.
How many clans could offer you a challenge? CF, mm and cFc, any other one I'm missing?
What I was saying, before I was jumped at, that there used to be much more diversity of good clans back in the day. I'm not saying any clan of the past would come now and beat your clans.
The fact HoS dominated doesn't take away anything from the other clans, it's a circumstance, pretty much the same way mm would win every playoff they played if Mablak and Random00 were in it. In fact, you could argue, mm used to be even better than it is now, to put things a bit into perspective.
If you really want to think this is the best collection of clans WA has ever had feel free, but there's no need to get all defensive when someone that can actual offer some insight challenges that though. You know, there's nothing at stake for me in this argument, I simply made a comment because someone else made a comment I didn't agree on.
Quote from: ShyGuy on June 26, 2012, 10:21 AM
I disagree with this based off of the fact that clanners are 2v2...
Fair enough, we'll just agree to disagree on this one, I really can't be bothered it's not important enough to try and convince you.
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 10:30 AM
Quote from: ShyGuy on June 26, 2012, 10:21 AM
I disagree with this based off of the fact that clanners are 2v2...
Fair enough, we'll just agree to disagree on this one, I really can't be bothered it's not important enough to try and convince you.
You always say the same thing when you realize you had nothing solid to even start with.
It just sounds ridicilous and jealous to my ear to start saying that a clan who's won 3 in a row doesn't belong to the top. Absurd.
Shutup free, you are talking pish mate, no one even said what you just said.
Edit: Seriously, he said he disagrees with me, I said I disagree with him, that's all there is to it.
Don't try and start this whole stupid let's all troll komo for no f@#!ing reason again, i'm not that guy anymore.
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 10:35 AM
Shutup free, you are talking pish mate, no one even said what you said.
Why do I need to shutup again? Take a look at your own post count. :D
No one used the "exact same words" that I did, but when you start placing CF and cFc to different category than mm, your not being REALISTIC.
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 10:35 AM
Shutup free, you are talking pish mate, no one even said what you just said.
Edit: Seriously, he said he disagrees with me, I said I disagree with him, that's all there is to it.
Don't try and start this whole stupid let's all troll komo for no f@#!ing reason again, i'm not that guy anymore.
I love this post :D
I never placed them in a different catagory, in fact, i've praised them the entire time for winning 3 PO's in a row it's a great success, I only wanted people to give Overall clans and players the recognition they deserve, instead of mm making out that mm are the only good thing about clanners right now acting like everyone else doesn't stand a chance or something...
Saying cFc and CF ain't shit cuz we haven't won PO recently, and i've gave reasons to why I don't feel you've won them all as fairly or skilled as you think you have.
That's a personal opinion though, and I know I am partly to blame for cFc's 3-1 loss in our last Final with mm.
Straight quote from your 1st post:
"but now mm ps and CKC are starting to get just as good"
You know what this implies do you? Your saying we are STARTING to get just as good as CF and cFc. :D
We've been as good for long time mate. I understand ur enthusiasm about worms and it's great but don't let it blind you.
People in w:a forget to play fair and not lame in league and thats so sad.
You are starting to play just as well in the overall standings as CF and cFc, did I say something wrong?
Your win % has went up, as has ps's and CKC's, which means, you are getting better.
Again, did I say something wrong?
I don't feel like I have put them in different categories, I feel like I've put them all in the same category actually...
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 10:54 AM
You are starting to play just as well in the overall standings as CF and cFc, did I say something wrong?
Your win % has went up, as has ps's and CKC's, which means, you are getting better.
Again, did I say something wrong?
I don't feel like I have put them in different categories, I feel like I've put them all in the same category actually...
Now your just straight out lying but yeah you can twist this around as much as you want.. take a look at the previous 4 pages to see that mm really doesn't get the respect it deserves. We have never said we're better than all the other clans but this thread made it seem like we don't even belong to the top.
I don't understand why you see it that way, I think I have been pretty clear about what I have said, all I can say is sorry you don't see it from my point of view.
My main point of this thread, is to give credit to all the clans who are getting stronger in overall, you know what overall means obviously.
When me and oldsock joined cFc we were 4th overall and our climb to the top has been a long and emotional road with some really caring and fun people, and we have maintained #1 for some time now after a year of switching between 1st/2nd with CF, they haven't overtook us again for about 2-3 months maybe more, and I feel that our glory isn't noticed due to the fact you guys have won the last 3 PO's and act like PO's are the ONLY thing worthy of bragging rights.
ps mm and CKC have all climbed alot in the last year as well, I remember when mm CKC and ps were way behind, and I just think this is cool and should be recognised more, and be proud about.
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 11:08 AM
I don't understand why you see it that way, I think I have been pretty clear about what I have said, all I can say is sorry you don't see it from my point of view.
My main point of this thread, is to give credit to all the clans who are getting stronger in overall, you know what overall means obviously.
When me and oldsock joined cFc we were 4th overall and our climb to the top has been a long and emotional road with some really caring and fun people, and we have maintained #1 for some time now after a year of switching between 1st/2nd with CF, they haven't overtook us again for about 2-3 months maybe more, and I feel that our glory isn't noticed due to the fact you guys have won the last 3 PO's and act like PO's are the ONLY thing worthy of bragging rights.
ps mm and CKC have all climbed alot in the last year as well, I remember when mm CKC and ps were way behind, and I just think this is cool and should be recognised more, and be proud about.
I understand how you feel about climbing Overall and no way I'm dissing that but if you really take a good read from the start of the thread, many people don't really give enough credit for mm just because we are not uber serious about Overall, that's what was annoying me. It seriously ain't easy to win 3 in a row, ask CF. ;)
Like I said, I really admire how excited you are about this game and at no point I wanted to get an personal argument about this. :)
Quote from: Free on June 26, 2012, 11:18 AM
I understand how you feel about climbing Overall and no way I'm dissing that but if you really take a good read from the start of the thread, many people don't really give enough credit for mm just because we are not uber serious about Overall, that's what was annoying me. It seriously ain't easy to win 3 in a row, ask CF. ;)
Yeah well have a go at the people saying that not me lol :)
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 11:08 AM
and I feel that our glory isn't noticed due to the fact you guys have won the last 3 PO's and act like PO's are the ONLY thing worthy of bragging rights.
Being number one in the standings is a gift to work and constancy over the course of a season (or various seasons) against all the clans in the competition.
Playoff is a short head to head matchup between the best clans in the competition.
I don't think there's a need to undermine either.
Quote from: Komito on June 26, 2012, 11:19 AM
Quote from: Free on June 26, 2012, 11:18 AM
I understand how you feel about climbing Overall and no way I'm dissing that but if you really take a good read from the start of the thread, many people don't really give enough credit for mm just because we are not uber serious about Overall, that's what was annoying me. It seriously ain't easy to win 3 in a row, ask CF. ;)
Yeah well have a go at the people saying that not me lol :)
Well you did say that in the 1st post, but you made yourself more clear on previous posts. :P
Another potentially interesting thread that went up in flames. :(
Word René
Quote from: darKz on June 26, 2012, 03:22 PM
Another potentially interesting thread that went up in flames. :(
hahahahahah
My ideas are good - then I get into arguements, and they are forgot...
Maybe I should just give my ideas to someone else to post and take credit for ;D
Narcissistic personality disorder: a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. Characterized by self-importance, preoccupations with fantasies, belief that they are special, including a sense of entitlement and a need for excessive admiration, and extreme levels of jealousy and arrogance.
recognition is the first step toward improvement ;D