At the moment the TFL is very ground-oriented, there are 21 schemes and only one roping scheme (big RR). If we add a few more rope games to balance it out then we could have a better league with more activity.
Personally I think ZaR Roper (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-1634/) and Crate Race (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-1646/) would both make good tus free schemes, maybe even some older schemes like Wascar or Ghost Knocking could be added too.
For those that say there are too many schemes already, perhaps we could remove some of the less popular ones? Does anyone play Elemental for instance?
Any thoughts on this? :)
I demand bungee shopper! D:
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-663/
RUBBER ROPE AND CRATES! :)
Quote from: Mega`Adnan on May 20, 2015, 11:40 AM
I demand bungee shopper! D:
No bungee shoppa in TFL yet? ???
BRING BACK PRO SCHEME !
Quote from: pizzasheet on May 20, 2015, 02:47 PM
BRING BACK PRO SCHEME !
YEAH ! BRING BACK THE BUNGEE SHOPPAH !(https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/madrid-athens-protests-sep-2012-4.jpg)
i want rowy and rowy madness in tfl!
Oi, this thread is about rope schemes. Make your own threads for this Bungee / Pro shit :D
Wascar and ZaR Roper are great schemes.Maybe replacing 2 tfl schemes with these ones might be good :)
Quote from: spleen17 on May 20, 2015, 03:05 PM
Oi, this thread is about rope schemes. Make your own threads for this Bungee / Pro shit :D
Coz your thread has the powa! ;D
I'd like to see these ones:
- One of Everything;
- Petrolia;
- Mole Shopper (Warg's scheme).
Plus what philie said.
Hmm,rowy madness in tfl.Sounds cool,but things might get complicated when someone plays this scheme for the first time.Lots of mistakes may happen
It's a good idea to add more Rope schemes to TFL but the problem is once someone asks for a scheme everyone wants to add something they like ???
TFL already has too many schemes. We gotta come up with something to organize them otherwise adding more schemes will bring more disaster.
Rope Free League
TTRR, wascar, zar, roper, wxw, warmer, trickrace, surf shopper, w2roper, tower, ect ?
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on May 21, 2015, 04:27 AM
TFL already has too many schemes. We gotta come up with something to organize them otherwise adding more schemes will bring more disaster.
Perhaps at the end of the current season remove 3-4 of the least popular and add 2-3 more?
Or we could break it into two leagues. For example:
Racing League - Big RR, battle race, boom race, bungee race, crate race, golf, jetpack, parachute race, SSR, trick race, ttrr, wascar
Battle League - Abnormal, Aerial, Ctf, Darts, Elite, Forts, Holy War, Normal, Kaos, Mole, MM, Plop War, roper, WFW, wxw, ZaR roper, Surf / Fly shopper etc.
This way there is still a balance of skills in each league.
can rope in other leagues, get out.
Quote from: Hurz on May 21, 2015, 10:48 AM
can rope in other leagues, get out.
Roping is a major skill in WA, this should be reflected in the free league.
Ropers can play in TFL at the moment anyway, but they can only pick Big RR over and over so many do not bother playing. I think there would be more activity if this was changed. A bad roper has more of a chance against a good roper in ZaR than they do in Big RR anyway.
Quote from: spleen17 on May 21, 2015, 10:45 AMPerhaps at the end of the current season remove 3-4 of the least popular and add 2-3 more?
Great idea.
Remove: elemental, chute race, battle race, jp race, CTF, ssr.
Quote from: Chelsea on May 21, 2015, 11:51 AM
Remove: elemental, chute race, battle race, jp race, CTF, ssr.
I kind of agree, except for battle race and SSR, which are both good skill games.
MonkeyIsland, how about if at the end of the season we remove the 4 least-played schemes (it will probably be 4 of the 6 Chelsea mentioned) and add ZaR, Crate Race and possibly Wascar. That way we have 1-2 schemes less and also a better balanced league.
And if someone wants a scheme to stay in TFL, they actually have to play some games of it this season. No arguing about which to drop, just best activity wins.
EDIT: Or it could even be an ongoing thing, where every season the bottom 4 are dropped and replaced by schemes voted by the community (max. of 20 schemes in the league at one time). So free league constantly changes to include most the most popular schemes (that aren't already in classic league).
spleen's idea sounds really great.I'm supporting it ;D
Quote from: spleen17 on May 21, 2015, 02:13 PM
EDIT: Or it could even be an ongoing thing, where every season the bottom 4 are dropped and replaced by schemes voted by the community (max. of 20 schemes in the league at one time). So free league constantly changes to include most the most popular schemes (that aren't already in classic league).
this sounds cool.
dunno im fine to put any scheme into tfl as long as its not russian roulette or comet dodging. the amount of different schemes is what makes this league special, would go as far saying it needs more versatile skills to compete in tfl than it does to do in classic league.
dont remove chuterace its always good for a freewin :D
Quote from: spleen17 on May 21, 2015, 02:13 PMOr it could even be an ongoing thing, where every season the bottom 4 are dropped and replaced by schemes voted by the community (max. of 20 schemes in the league at one time). So free league constantly changes to include most the most popular schemes (that aren't already in classic league).
Great idea mate, I support it.
Quote from: Peja on May 21, 2015, 09:34 PM
dunno im fine to put any scheme into tfl as long as its not russian roulette or comet dodging. the amount of different schemes is what makes this league special, would go as far saying it needs more versatile skills to compete in tfl than it does to do in classic league.
I feel the same, it's harder to master TFL than TuS Classic, TFL requires a larger skillset than Classic, more time as well, this is the downside in my opinion, some BR games can take hours, which is fine if you enjoy it, but if you don't enjoy it, 2 hours is too much unless both players actually want to play.
Personaly, I dont think my CrateRace Mulitplayer scheme is good for TUS free, its pretty much just TTRR. And I bet that would start people playing TFL but then avoider other players picks like they already do.
for many season TFL has had alot of avoider... like chelsea only wanted to play aerial and refuses others picks. Alot of people avoid me simply because they know im going to pick something they are shit at. I dislike, aerial,darts,abnormal in TFL but will never avoid just because I dont like others pick.
scheme dodging is the worse problem. I think Leauge would be awsome if analyzer choose a random scheme for both players to play.
Quote from: pizzasheet on May 22, 2015, 03:01 AMscheme dodging is the worse problem.
True.
Quote from: pizzasheet on May 22, 2015, 03:01 AMI think Leauge would be awsome if analyzer choose a random scheme for both players to play.
Horrible idea, imagine being forced to play BR which can last hours, or Intermediate which can last an hour or more if 2-1, I feel this would push people away not pull them in.
I do like Free and would love to play it properly one day but like you said people avoiding is a massive problem, every single scheme standings page is inaccurate imo and it's really not worth my time to play because of those 2 reasons.
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Horrible idea, imagine being forced to play BR which can last hours, or Intermediate which can last an hour or more if 2-1, I feel this would push people away not pull them in.
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you do know in TFL BatteRace has SD and who ever is winning after 40mins wins.
and that is the risk you take if you choose to play free leauge... your oponent may pick a long scheme... if you dont have time, dont ask for tus.
Quote from: pizzasheet on May 22, 2015, 05:16 AM
you do know in TFL BatteRace has SD and who ever is winning after 40mins wins.
No I didn't, but thanks, that makes it more bearable.
Quote from: pizzasheet on May 22, 2015, 05:16 AMand that is the risk you take if you choose to play free leauge... your oponent may pick a long scheme... if you dont have time, dont ask for tus.
Yes, that's ok when you get to pick your favourite scheme too, but if you are forced to play 2 schemes you don't like, and if it takes 1-2 hours to play schemes you don't enjoy I don't think that sounds appealing to players.
Quote from: pizzasheet on May 22, 2015, 03:01 AM
Personaly, I dont think my CrateRace Mulitplayer scheme is good for TUS free, its pretty much just TTRR. And I bet that would start people playing TFL but then avoider other players picks like they already do.
Well I consider it to be different to ttrr because all four worms count, so it is more about roping for your whole turn without falling than setting a good time. I am open to other rope schemes instead though.
Quote from: spleen17 on May 21, 2015, 10:45 AM
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on May 21, 2015, 04:27 AM
TFL already has too many schemes. We gotta come up with something to organize them otherwise adding more schemes will bring more disaster.
Perhaps at the end of the current season remove 3-4 of the least popular and add 2-3 more?
This. MI creates a poll like TRL polls. Then he replaces least played 4 schemes in league with 4 schemes got the highest votes on poll.
1) I second the notion that more rope schemes should be added, though exact rules for implementation would need discussion (e.g., bo3 for ZaR Shopper?)
It would be cool if people that traditionally played a lot of classic got into TFL because of more rope schemes, since it's a really diverse and fun league.
2) I also like idea of getting rid of least played schemes; kinda like relegation in professional (european) football leagues.
3) Dislike Pizza's idea of full random, since you would end up playing schemes you don't like and won't HF.
How about my Rope Kaos scheme?
IMO kaos is much better the way it is - bungee only. Inf. rope would make it far too easy. If any Kaos scheme deserves to be in TFL it is the updated Kaos league version with no double damage (among other things).
I don't think the Rope Kaos scheme would fit well in tfl :/
Doesn't TFL serve as an option for those who want to avoid roping (see Hurz's comment for example)? Could just remove Big RR and make it purely roping-free league.
since there are roping leagues enough.
Quote from: Hurz on May 23, 2015, 07:44 PM
since there are roping leagues enough.
What you mean? Only 5 rope schemes in tus leagues atm.
Quote from: Senator on May 23, 2015, 07:21 PM
Doesn't TFL serve as an option for those who want to avoid roping (see Hurz's comment for example)? Could just remove Big RR and make it purely roping-free league.
Where's the fun in that? :) The idea is to get more people playing TFL, not less.
Can anybody explain to me what is going on here.
Right now all I can say is that you guys suddenly are interested in tfl, but only if it'd change?...
Quote from: spleen17 on May 23, 2015, 07:56 PM
Where's the fun in that? :) The idea is to get more people playing TFL, not less.
But if you don't change anything, you won't have less people who'd play it in general. Of course their interest in the league might drop from time to time, but still they will come back with activity some day...
@Adding roping schemes. I'm not a fan of roping schemes. It could be interesting to try to add something, but will it really attract anybody to play TFL? I don't think people would be attracted to play a 2 picked TFL just because of a rope scheme they like. They'd still tend to play tus classic.
@Scheme dodging. Well, I would imagine this a league for people who in general like to play fair. I don't have any problem if somebody tells me they don't have a lot of time, or he really dislikes some schemes. As long as he doesn't give me a huge list of schemes he doesn't want to play. After all it is your pick.
Why is this thread brought up?? I don't understand people who argue about a league which they have barely played. And with played I mean normally, and not played 200 times the same scheme because it accidently happend to be in the league.
Organizing is the way to go I think, but that's a very tricky job.
Quote from: Hurz on May 23, 2015, 07:44 PM
since there are roping leagues enough.
Are there? There are no roping leagues, and PRL doesn't count because it's not offical and I will be discontinuing PRL on the 29th of May anyway due to lack of interest.
Quote from: Senator on May 23, 2015, 07:21 PM
Doesn't TFL serve as an option for those who want to avoid roping (see Hurz's comment for example)? Could just remove Big RR and make it purely roping-free league.
TFL is not intended to be a non-roping League, TuS Classic has TTRR/Roper/WxW/Shopper, and TFL has BigRR and Darts, I consider Darts a roping scheme due to the various types of swings and styles in all the different maps, plus if you can control the rope perfectly in Darts then you will know how to swing it properly for at least the Shopper scheme, and vice versa.
TFL is purely an alternative League for those who enjoy more than just the Classic schemes, it's no ones fault that there aren't more available roping schemes good enough to be used in a League, maybe we should try to invent some? It would be nice to have more roping schemes that don't require as much practise as TTRR/WxW and to be as basic as Shopper/Darts.
@ piki, I do really like several schemes in TFL but the fact someone might choose some of the schemes I really don't like makes me avoid playing TFL properly and hence why 40/66 games i've played in TFL are Darts that I played with pretty much other dS members.
I just had a look and realized I like exactly 11/22, 50% of TFL schemes, and the rest being schemes i'd avoid at all costs.
I would be happy enough to play schemes I don't enjoy if they only lasted 5-10 minutes max, but unfortunately those are all schemes that can last up to an hour or longer, so it's just not worth my time spending so long doing something I don't enjoy in my spare time, and I don't mind giving free wins but what would be the point if maybe 40% or more of my games were free wins it would be stupid to even play the League lol.
Quote from: spleen17 on May 21, 2015, 10:45 AM
Perhaps at the end of the current season remove 3-4 of the least popular
Recycle Bin League time has come? :D
Quote from: XanKriegor on May 24, 2015, 06:15 AM
Recycle Bin League time has come? :D
That sounds funny :D
Quote from: piki1802 on May 23, 2015, 09:03 PM
Why is this thread brought up?? I don't understand people who argue about a league which they have barely played. And with played I mean normally, and not played 200 times the same scheme because it accidently happend to be in the league.
Who are you talking about? I played 62 games last season and only 7 Big RR, how is that not playing the league properly?
As far as I know no one is abusing any single scheme (Hurz is probably closest with darts). But, even if they were, they are still allowed an opinion on how to make the league better.
'accidentally' in league, wtf? What does that even mean?
I like the idea of schemes replacing.
So the 4 new schemes comes by people votes? We don't have so many new schemes so we'll have schemes repeating in the poll.
I was thinking instead of a conventional poll just have a thread where people nominate schemes, then count up the votes afterwards. That way they could nominate any scheme in the tus database (that is appropriate for league play). Once a scheme has been eliminated it could be voted in again after being absent for one season.
It's a great idea indeed, but replace the 4 least played schemes with what exactly?
There aren't really anymore very good competitive schemes that aren't already in use in TFL or Classic...
I am gonna try brainstorming and try to make some new schemes both roping and ground schemes.
Edit: Actually thinking about it JpBnG is a great scheme suited for TFL, I remember I used to host weekly tournaments when TuS was TuT and the guys in CF loved it, it's sort of like a cross between Roper/BnG but using the jetpack to get around, it's skilled, competitive, simple to learn and fun :) Only problem is I only made about 7 maps and no one else made any lol.
Well there are other games that are popular on wormnet that aren't in leagues atm.
Off the top of my head: Wascar, Crate Race, ZaR, Rowy/Rowy Madness, petrolia, Ghostknocking, Pro / Retro, trick race, dab and fidget, bungee shopper, surf/fly/tornado shopper, sheep forts, w2 roper, Sheep BnG, burning girders... there are probably more. Not all of those are great but you get the idea.
New schemes may come along too.
Wow, that was so easy. Not like my "Bungee Shopper in TFL" request. :'(
Quote from: Mega`Adnan on August 15, 2015, 07:25 PM
Wow, that was so easy. Not like my "Bungee Shopper in TFL" request. :'(
Bungee Shopper and ZaR for TFL
Maybe Wascar too
Remove least played 4 schemes on TFL each season and replace them with 4 others voted on a poll. Fairest way and TFL won't be a pile of non-classic schemes.
Quote from: Triad on August 15, 2015, 11:46 PM
Remove least played 4 schemes on TFL each season and replace them with 4 others voted on a poll. Fairest way and TFL won't be a pile of non-classic schemes.
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Quote from: Triad on August 15, 2015, 11:46 PM
Remove least played 4 schemes on TFL each season and replace them with 4 others voted on a poll. Fairest way and TFL won't be a pile of non-classic schemes.
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There is a thread about tfl already, in case we derailing Senator's thread. https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/more-rope-schemes-for-tfl-26918/45/
Quote from: VoK on August 16, 2015, 01:04 PM
Free legue plaa plaa plaaa. Should delete all legues and leave only classic.
All those shit steal activity from classic.
Approved.
dont delete uc league ;D
Any progress on this idea?An increase in TFL activity would be great
Kamikaze made by phillie should also be listed in TFL.
Very good and fun scheme.
He just need to set some ground rules, cause there are some flaws..
Quote from: Peja on August 16, 2015, 01:45 PM
dont delete uc league ;D
Which one, TFL or the actual UCL? :D
Quote from: Peja on August 16, 2015, 01:45 PM
dont delete uc league ;D
because che is so good in rope schemes, that they dont need ground schemes :)
add Artillery to free league :D
http://wormolympics.com/results?scheme=131
Quote from: Sensei on August 16, 2015, 02:44 PM
Kamikaze made by phillie should also be listed in TFL.
Very good and fun scheme.
He just need to set some ground rules, cause there are some flaws..
ty.
but what's flawed?
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-561/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-561/)
Quote from: philie on August 16, 2015, 10:08 PM
Quote from: Sensei on August 16, 2015, 02:44 PM
Kamikaze made by phillie should also be listed in TFL.
Very good and fun scheme.
He just need to set some ground rules, cause there are some flaws..
ty.
but what's flawed?
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-561/ (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-561/)
Remember playing it vs. Zwitter in WO.
Some weird situations happened during the game. Even you were in like spectator. But couldn't help much, cause some rules were just two way street..
i remember the game. the problem was: wo page says:
Only rule: it is not allowed to skip (F12). if you skip, you lose automatically
missing here is: ...if you skip or let your turn time pass by...
add all schemes, which was in WO
kami
kamikaze
burning girders
...
crate_race
Quote from: Zwitter on May 20, 2015, 05:59 PM
I'd like to see these ones:
- One of Everything;
- Petrolia;
- Mole Shopper (Warg's scheme).
Plus what philie said.
You can add but Please, don't touch the official mole scheme. It's the least luck based scheme for moles. Some tried to improve it by weakening clusters(not really that deadly) but they only interrupted the whole balance in weapons.
Supercilious people, ZaR trumps all, as well 911 Roper aka ZaR 911. Definitely deserves recognition & a spot.
Please don't forget Bungee Shopper! :'(
Quote from: Kradie on August 17, 2015, 03:03 PM
Supercilious people, ZaR trumps all, as well 911 Roper aka ZaR 911. Definitely deserves recognition & a spot.
*thumbs up for ZaR Roper*
Quote from: Chelsea on August 16, 2015, 10:00 PM
add Artillery to free league :D
http://wormolympics.com/results?scheme=131
ARTILLERY!!!! :D