General Moficications
- 1 worm 150 hp
- Manual placement
- Instant SD
- 6 x molotov coctail
(https://www.tus-wa.com/Themes/default/images/templates/replay1.gif) Replay 2014-03-15 16.54.00 [Online] @Berria`p3, che`Xrayez.WAgame
Manual placement is fixing bad luck placement at start.
1 worm is fixing any telecows.
Instant SD is making game rly intense and exciting !
This also fixing darksiding and rly long boring games with diging.
Full high map is ok for 15-20 minutes of plying - thats enaugh.
Plz watch the replay and think of it. Scheme is same hysteria like be4; modifications just eliminating telecowing, suiciding, darksiding and luck based.
Its also the best way for everyone who wanted to remove this scheme from classic league. Better to fix something then remove it, just like in real life broz !
Perfect for league fights !
Hysterios approves ??? :)
It's even better replacent for BnG
Good job, bng 1 sec with more abilities. Wait new problems in clanners, 3v3 hyst ne1 ? xD
make a cup?
I like the idea, yet I find funny how Berria wanted to convince Xrayez about a rule breaking xD
Rule breaking? There's no rules, I just support scheme making ::)
Got it :)
Quote- 6 x molotov coctail
Quotemodifications just eliminating telecowing, suiciding, darksiding and luck based.
This is perfect. I agree the new Hysteria Scheme...
There's even no need in drillz, moles, coz map is slowly sinking, and darksiding is just dangerous
And I think 1 girder should be nice addition
Quote from: Rogi on March 15, 2014, 06:03 PM
Good job, bng 1 sec with more abilities. Wait new problems in clanners, 3v3 hyst ne1 ? xD
Since manual placement is enabled, there's no need in Teleport I think. JetPack retreat can be lowered to 3 seconds
EDIT: or add a rule: if your buddy was defeated - lose for whole team
Quote from: HHC on March 15, 2014, 06:05 PM
make a cup?
+1 , and avoide cowing. big cup better :)
http://2010w.wormolympics.com/tournaments/show/58#results
Quote from: Xrayez on March 15, 2014, 06:42 PM
Quote from: Rogi on March 15, 2014, 06:03 PM
Good job, bng 1 sec with more abilities. Wait new problems in clanners, 3v3 hyst ne1 ? xD
Since manual placement is enabled, there's no need in Teleport I think. JetPack retreat can be lowered to 3 seconds
EDIT: or add a rule: if your buddy was defeated - lose for whole team
wtf xray ?! Your country collapses and you care about this f@#!ing hysteria, lmao.
Quote from: Rogi on March 15, 2014, 10:02 PM
Quote from: Xrayez on March 15, 2014, 06:42 PM
Quote from: Rogi on March 15, 2014, 06:03 PM
Good job, bng 1 sec with more abilities. Wait new problems in clanners, 3v3 hyst ne1 ? xD
Since manual placement is enabled, there's no need in Teleport I think. JetPack retreat can be lowered to 3 seconds
EDIT: or add a rule: if your buddy was defeated - lose for whole team
wtf xray ?! Your country collapses and you care about this f@#!ing hysteria, lmao.
lol can he do anything to fix or solve his countrys problems?
pfffft
in that case he should just sit in a corner and cry
makes no sense lol
berria, seems like a funny scheme to play...
but thats all it is, just a funny, fun scheme, to play with friends...
or maybe even in a league.. but SEPARATE FROM CLASSIC...
hysteria, aerial, and any other variation just does not belong in classic scheme....
classic league is for the 'classic schemes' and hysteria is so far from classic, its humorous.. its giving newbs a false sense of reality, on what being a pro is... any new player is able to learn hysteria, and be pretty damn good at it with in a months time... they would even be able to beat real pros (ropers, ttrr's, eliters, t17ers, etc) just because a guy can toss a lucky petrol at me, in 1 second turn time does not make him a legend, im sorry chelsea.
i dont think hysteria, or variations should be removed from league indefinitely, because theres no doubt many people enjoy the fun in the scheme, and the hysterical game play.. (i even do at times) but it belongs in it own category, its not a classic scheme.....
the only thing more sick and twisted then hysteria being in the classic scheme, is actually allowing it in a playoff situation...
Maciej, i agree with everything you said in the post you made in the other thread, but saying things like "its idiotic... go ahead newbs, smite me", and some of the other shit you said is not going to make people listen to you, any take anything you said into consideration.... so its best you stay out of the threads, if you cant speak directly, with respect.... your post's will do more harm then good.
avi, i dont like hysteria too...... am just trying to prepare this scheme for a competentive battle in league.
its hard to remove the most popular and more often played scheme in tus, we just need to live with this that hysteria is most liked scheme in overall nowdays.
but i agree with a half of ur post.
if you agree with half or my post, how come you did not read it, and fully understand???
i never suggested to remove it from TUS.. i just suggested putting it in a category of its own, it does not belong in classic scheme, it is by no means a classic scheme, and never should have been...
im not sure who made the decision to allow it in classic scheme?? did MI do that when creating TUS?? if so, that was a huge mistake... but thats ok, mistakes can be fixed.. and now is the time to do it...
hysteria has HAL, thats where it should stay... remove hyst from classic!!! GOGOGO :D
Quote from: avirex on March 15, 2014, 10:58 PM
just because a guy can toss a lucky petrol at me
I agree with most of your post avirex, but if we're gonna talk about the luck factor you'd have to remove crates from roper, shopper, t17, placements, etc etc, and I don't think that'd be good.
Hysteria involves skill; a lot of people deny that, but I'm sure nobody here would have been able to beat Casso in hysteria; and sadly, for hysteria haters, it isn't a coincidence... so actually ''pro's'' should be able to beat newcomers in hysteria, and if they don't it's because they simply lack of practice. Random00 was a tough hysteria player aswell, and he did never complain about it.
I think that Phantom made this scheme the worst thing ever... he actually started with the thing (plopping his own worms), as far as I know. Such a bad way to kill a scheme.
gabriel even tho u mention phantom being the first one to plop his own worm, it's not important
if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else... it's rly about the scheme settings more than the players' mindset... atleast that's what I think |=
and yeah, hyst is alot of skill... I agree with that
Quote from: Husk on March 15, 2014, 11:41 PM
gabriel even tho u mention phantom being the first one to plop his own worm, it's not important
if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else... it's rly about the scheme settings more than the players' mindset... atleast that's what I think |=
and yeah, hyst is alot of skill... I agree with that
husk, i think it has something to do with ''player mindset''- i always have thought that tactic is lame,and i have never done that. People always find the lame and easier way to win.
and yeh i know, but it had been a while and nobody had come up with the idea yet
yeah I suppose I didn't rly think what I said xD u r right, it would be player mindset... u know I wouldn't come up with that tactic neither xD good to see u back btw
:) im sure you would never do that
we didnt even report some games we were just goofing around xD like that bng do you remember? you are the player with most fairplay here imo
i agree guys,i like ur point of view Gabriel and style of playing.
mby all schemes should be just separated?
Gabriel, your kind of taking what i said, and quoting it out of context.
i never said that the luck was the problem, the problem is it not a scheme that belong in classic, it should be in its own category...
offtopic: as far as other schemes having luck factor, i agree... and some things should be done about it, but people like HHC think it will ruin the fun spirit of games.... there are 2 types of wormers, the wormers who want to have fun, and have a laugh, and the worms who wanna have competition.... (ofc u can still have a good laugh while competing) but the people who are just here for a laugh, should not really participate in league, and expect competitive league games to have luck factors, and silly rules....anyway, if it were up to me, i would eliminate as much luck factor from every scheme that i could... thats just my opinion though...
but, just like hysteria will never be removed from classic scheme, other schemes will never get much needed updates, and changes that they need.... im not even sure why im wasting my time discussing this shit, i have been around w:a long enough to know that NOTHING will change.
Quote from: Gabriel on March 15, 2014, 11:38 PM
I agree with most of your post avirex, but if we're gonna talk about the luck factor you'd have to remove crates from roper, shopper, t17, placements, etc etc, and I don't think that'd be good.
Quote from: avirex on March 16, 2014, 12:48 AM
Gabriel, your kind of taking what i said, and quoting it out of context.
i never said that the luck was the problem, the problem is it not a scheme that belong in classic, it should be in its own category...
i never said that you were saying was the problem, i just stated out that luck isn't a real problema about Hysteria:
Quote from: avirex on March 15, 2014, 10:58 PM
just because a guy can toss a lucky petrol at me
After 1000 hysterias i can say most of the petrols i threw were intended and well, calculated in a certain point... for example i use the sound of the power bar as a sight to know where is the shot going to hit.
And sure i agree, hysteria, as it is right now, shouldn't be in a league. The scheme by itself is good but people has lowered its quality by searching lame ways to win.
ok, fair enough... but lets just assume people did not "telecow" or whatever you would like to call it...
do you think that hysteria is a scheme worthy of being in the list of classic scheme??
i guess that is my main point through out all of my banter, i do not believe its a classic scheme worthy scheme... no matter what anyone does to tweak it with weapons, improve the scheme, or adding rules.... a 1 second scheme should not be classic schemes.... the people who created hysteria, never even intended it to be in league, and as far as i know think its crazy that its now in classic leagues....
however, i cant deny that people love the scheme, and DO want to compete in a league with the scheme... so it should be in its own ranking... it should not be in classic...
thats my last post in this thread.. i have said everything that needs to be said.
Ok.. I'm not against removing hysteria from classic league, but we need to popularize Hysteria/Aerial league then.. Too less people playing it.
P.S. Thanks Gabriel :)
Quote from: avirex on March 16, 2014, 12:48 AM
offtopic:
That's funny, I thought only the first 3 lines of your first post were
on topic! Wasn't this thread about Berria's scheme suggestion?
forums are meant for discussion, and discussion lead into different ideas, comments, and topics.. i dont think we need to make a new topic for each idea that comes to each persons mind...
but, thats just how i feel, i know darkone, and darkz feel differently...
if it were up to them, this thread would be discussing berrias scheme, and nothing else... and Rays "goodbye" thread, would have nothing but "sweet goodbyes" to ray..
i guess everyone has their own idea how forums should be, i guess im old fashioned, thinking forums are meant for community discussion, no matter where the discussion leads, i will try to work on that, dark1.
lol darkones post was funny. +1 for doctor
I do not totally agree with Berria's modifications, i understand he wants to improve the scheme and reduce/eliminate the action of laming/telecow, but this one ISN'T hysteria, it's more like a BnG with 1 second with jetpack and few other weapons; are really the cow usefull in this scheme? At first sight no, and also i think that the general idea of the scheme (1 sec to shot and a little bit more to made tactical movement) is gone in this variation.
But... I understand the point of view of someone that does not like hysteria because of lame/telecow, and i do not like it too(despite i really like hyst) So i would expose my idea (and help Berria :) ) The manual placing, instant SD (with slow water rising) and also the reduction of petrols are good and i think that is better to reduce the worms to 3 (80hp) this does not substantially change the basic idea of the scheme, but sure improve it. I suggest to try with little modifications instead with a total conversion of the scheme.
Sorry for bad grammar :D
https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-1320/
My latest implementation, it has no petrol (technical reasons), but it is pretty competitive, imo. And instant Sudden Death does improve any hysteria scheme :)
The example replay shows the silliness of using some of the easy turn advantage techniques. Basically freeze gives you an opportunity to save your "fattest" worm. Using petrol over frozen worm would ruin this idea. Petrol also becomes obsolete because of instant SD, darksider eventually will have to come up
I like botch proposition of u..... SIlvan and Xrayez.
MI what about that?
hmmm guys I think this scheme wery balanced https://www.tus-wa.com/cups/cup-500/