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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: K4Tsis on July 22, 2011, 09:15 AM
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Hello. This scheme is known to many people.
I ask for your support, to help add this scheme to the free league.
Scheme info:
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8359/proym.png)
Rules: 2 wins/rounds. Weapons for 2 wins/rounds. Save weapons! NO refresh/renew/respawn/reload/restock/refill weapons. Don't waste ropes, 3 ropes for 2 wins/rounds. No Quit after first round.
Number of worms per player: 6 (1 player) ; 3 (2 players)
What kind of maps to use: cave - cave - island (close - close - open)
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We already have Intermediate in Free League, are you sure we need Pro aswell? Soon we will have Sudden Sinking, Blast Zone, Retro, Strategic, The Full Wormage, Artillery and Armageddon in Free League
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You try to compare The Full Wormage and Pro?
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No, I'm comparing Intermediate with Pro.
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And what does Pro and Inter have in common? (aside from the fact they are both default schemes) Weapons might look similar but the gameplay is very different.
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We have Elite in Classic League and Intermediate in Free League, what does Pro have to offer that we don't already have?
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Its stockpilling that makes the scheme original. Im not a big fan of that one, pretty slow and very thrifty gameplay but i agree it should have a place on TUS Free.
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I totally forgot the stockpiling, I guess it does have something else then!
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You try to compare The Full Wormage and Pro?
Pro has a banana bomb. A weapon capable of changing the whole game with little skill and different levels of luck.
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You try to compare The Full Wormage and Pro?
Pro has a banana bomb. A weapon capable of changing the whole game with little skill and different levels of luck.
If you think that with 1 banana you will win whole game, then you are wrong. (plus banana is weaker)
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You're going to give every EiF member who sees that scheme being called Pro an aneurysm. Just sayin'. :-[
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I think that this is a funny scheme and If it has enough games played we can continue to play it in free league as has already happened for Kaos scheme, why not ? :)
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We already have Intermediate in Free League, are you sure we need Pro aswell? Soon we will have Sudden Sinking, Blast Zone, Retro, Strategic, The Full Wormage, Artillery and Armageddon in Free League
The Free league should have EVERY scheme ever played in it, thats why its the free league! People usually agree on the scheme before they play so its not like the classic league. Im sure MI will add all this scheme as a free scheme choice.
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BadCereal was the king in the pro scheme, someone here remember him?
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We already have Intermediate in Free League, are you sure we need Pro aswell? Soon we will have Sudden Sinking, Blast Zone, Retro, Strategic, The Full Wormage, Artillery and Armageddon in Free League
The Free league should have EVERY scheme ever played in it, thats why its the free league! People usually agree on the scheme before they play so its not like the classic league. Im sure MI will add all this scheme as a free scheme choice.
[offtopic]People don't usually agree on the scheme before they play. Most of us ask "free league any1" and someone happens to say yes, so you agree to play with someone before you know what he picks, just like in Classic League. You join his game just to see he picks Blast Zone, Blast Zone is his favourite scheme and last time you played it was in the year 2005 and u were drunk as hell, you don't know the scheme settings nor the weapon settings. This would result in everyone picking schemes their opponent hasn't heard about before, making sure everyone gets 50% winning percentage.[/offtopic]
Maybe we could give Pro a try in Free League?
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I used to play some Pro's with some clan mates and it was pretty fun. Sudden sinking rocks more though. :)
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Idk, im not fan of this scheme, but would be nice give it a chance.
I totally forgot the stockpiling, I guess it does have something else then!
Anyway we have stockpiling in kaos.
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BadCereal was the king in the pro scheme, someone here remember him?
Yeah the DHB guy, he was very very good at Default, if I remember correctly, he was #1 when Official Ranks worked.
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BadCereal was the king in the pro scheme, someone here remember him?
Yeah the DHB guy, he was very very good at Default, if I remember correctly, he was #1 when Official Ranks worked.
Didn't BadCereal try a comeback like 3 years ago and miserably failed? Imo he's much like DOPE and MPH, they were great in their time but compared to nowadays they're average. :)
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@komo ye man deco and tita told me this too, he even got an original CD of WA at home cos that hehe.
@putinho i agree.
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Anyway we have stockpiling in kaos.
Theres also Ninja Rope in RR and Elite.
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BadCereal was the king in the pro scheme, someone here remember him?
Yeah the DHB guy, he was very very good at Default, if I remember correctly, he was #1 when Official Ranks worked.
Didn't BadCereal try a comeback like 3 years ago and miserably failed? Imo he's much like DOPE and MPH, they were great in their time but compared to nowadays they're average. :)
yeah, cause people nowadays are so insanely good, lol. give me a break.
IMO pro is a great scheme, nothing like intermediate, and not really elite either.
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yeah, cause people nowadays are so insanely good, lol. give me a break.
Sarcasm? The level of competition is much higher lol.
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who said this?
ah walross, allright ;d
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Pro should definitely be added imo because it has high team-play when it is a 2x2. Since it's a weapon carryover scheme, cooperation is highly emphasized with the shared weapons. It may seem less strategic with the banana, but pro scheme is best built for cave-like maps so that eliminates the f-6 air support and a lot of the time the banana is used as a strategic tool to keep the opponent thinking about defense as well as offense (i.e. loose worm formation, and single layers of worm placement) and I find it to be more strategic in juxtaposition to intermediate which focuses more offense because weapons don't carry over and players have 45 second turns, 5 ropes for mobility.
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yeah, cause people nowadays are so insanely good, lol. give me a break.
Sarcasm? The level of competition is much higher lol.
you must be playing on a different wormnet than the one i play on. The only competitions i see are russians waging war on each other in intermediate games.
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You're going to give every EiF member who sees that scheme being called Pro an aneurysm. Just sayin'. :-[
why do you think it pisses me off so much
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BadCereal was the king in the pro scheme, someone here remember him?
Yeah the DHB guy, he was very very good at Default, if I remember correctly, he was #1 when Official Ranks worked.
Didn't BadCereal try a comeback like 3 years ago and miserably failed? Imo he's much like DOPE and MPH, they were great in their time but compared to nowadays they're average. :)
like Pele
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lol ropa pele didnot try to comeback tho.
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yeah, cause people nowadays are so insanely good, lol. give me a break.
Sarcasm? The level of competition is much higher lol.
you must be playing on a different wormnet than the one i play on. The only competitions i see are russians waging war on each other in intermediate games.
Watch a couple replays of players with high ratings on this very website if all you do is play intermediate with Russians. :P
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lol ropa pele didnot try to comeback tho.
nino you think you can beat pele @ elite?
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yeah, cause people nowadays are so insanely good, lol. give me a break.
Sarcasm? The level of competition is much higher lol.
you must be playing on a different wormnet than the one i play on. The only competitions i see are russians waging war on each other in intermediate games.
Watch a couple replays of players with high ratings on this very website if all you do is play intermediate with Russians. :P
i don't play intermediates with russians, but i watch them host the shit out of them. and i bet there is all kinds of great videos of people playing well. not interested in spending my time watching worms replays though, got better shit to do then that. and i don't know who you are comparing the players now to because i sure as hell didn't see any darkszsz playing the top shelf players back in the day. not saying the people that play now are horrible or anything, i just haven't seen this orgasm of talent you are referring to.
and ropa, are we talking about?
(http://userpages.umbc.edu/~skawata1/homepage/pele2.jpg)
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MT1X_Hpnt_o/TM9lOzkpuzI/AAAAAAAABaU/6B8E1Psvb3U/s400/Pele+Simpsons.jpg)
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i don't play intermediates with russians, but i watch them host the shit out of them. and i bet there is all kinds of great videos of people playing well. not interested in spending my time watching worms replays though, got better shit to do then that. and i don't know who you are comparing the players now to because i sure as hell didn't see any darkszsz playing the top shelf players back in the day. not saying the people that play now are horrible or anything, i just haven't seen this orgasm of talent you are referring to.
Sorry but how can you judge today's players if you don't even know them? I'd bet all my money that an allstars-team of 2011 would crush an allstars-team of say 2004. And I can say that because I've been around for almost 10 years, playing all the leagues that popped up and died one after another.
Also, you not knowing me tells a whole story about how well you know the players in this small community.
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lol ropa pele didnot try to comeback tho.
nino you think you can beat pele @ elite?
sure i think i can.
do u think u can beat maradona @ ttrr?
Edit: Darkinho is right, i remember long time ago i played a PRO vs BadCereal and won, he was like "oh i see things have changed since i stoped play"
it is natural, peoples improve porra, or u going to say 1st time u made sex was the best way you do nowadays? 1st time u do all you want is spit ur potential kids huahuaha.
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i don't play intermediates with russians, but i watch them host the shit out of them. and i bet there is all kinds of great videos of people playing well. not interested in spending my time watching worms replays though, got better shit to do then that. and i don't know who you are comparing the players now to because i sure as hell didn't see any darkszsz playing the top shelf players back in the day. not saying the people that play now are horrible or anything, i just haven't seen this orgasm of talent you are referring to.
Sorry but how can you judge today's players if you don't even know them? I'd bet all my money that an allstars-team of 2011 would crush an allstars-team of say 2004. And I can say that because I've been around for almost 10 years, playing all the leagues that popped up and died one after another.
Also, you not knowing me tells a whole story about how well you know the players in this small community.
Okay, okay, you win, jesus. Don't you have anything better to do then get defensive about a worms community? Who cares? Need someone to tell you your good at worms or something? Here you go - You're good at worms. People like you. Newschool is better than oldschool.
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Sorry but how can you judge today's players if you don't even know them? I'd bet all my money that an allstars-team of 2011 would crush an allstars-team of say 2004. And I can say that because I've been around for almost 10 years, playing all the leagues that popped up and died one after another.
In Elite there's no doubt, today's players win. In team17 I think old school wins, the scheme was more played and it had players specialize in it.
In BnG i seriously don't know for certain, I'm pretty sure current players would win most times, but if you could make an All star of 2000-2004 then it'd be at least close, remember players like Psydome (or anyone in BnGk), Geniusma or Imthechampion, they'd give today's players a run for their money.
In roperace todays players win without any question.
In Roper the 2004 players own today so bad it's not even a contest.
i selected the schemes played based on 2004 usual Playoffs, obviously today players would beat old school in things like wxw, kaos or hysteria.
but times are too different, back then top clans and top players were always all arounders, people took pride in beating others in their picks, nowadays there's more specialization. Tbh if you took two random players from the old school top 5 clans, and two random players from the current top 5 clans I believe the old players would win, because there's a bigger chance they were above average in all schemes.
nino: i dunno man, depends on how many cocaine we are allowed to snort!
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@TheWalrus, Darkz isnot getting defensive, hes just point out something that makes a lot of sense puto.
@ropa, hmm u better play fair with maradona, he'd beat u easy @ cocain sniffing xD
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I actually agree with what you said ropa, except for the BnG part. Being in a BnG community myself I know people are generally much better now. Can't think of any opponent Komo and I couldn't take on and win. :P
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@ropa, hmm u better play fair with maradona, he'd beat u easy @ cocain sniffing xD
I wouldn't care if I lost, I would only want to participate.
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dark: bng has evolved too much, LG was a non factor back then. I don't remember ITC missing a zook shot and psydome would rape you with +40 nades. I'm sure that with today's new style you two would probably beat anyone from back then, but overall, it's closer than you think. But then again my memory can be playing tricks on me, we all know how nostalgia works in these cases.
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ok then ropa, you can participate, gl. ;D
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But then again my memory can be playing tricks on me, we all know how nostalgia works in these cases.
I applauded you for that part because it's so true. ;)
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But then again my memory can be playing tricks on me, we all know how nostalgia works in these cases.
I applauded you for that part because it's so true. ;)
i will smite you because I can
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hes just point out something that makes a lot of sense puto.
@nino, im not your puto; you'll get over the disappointment someday. :D
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Need someone to tell you your good at worms or something? Here you go - You're good at worms. People like you. Newschool is better than oldschool.
And you're a douche. Let's not get carried away though, the topic is about the Pro scheme.
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hes just point out something that makes a lot of sense puto.
@nino, im not your puto; you'll get over the disappointment someday. :D
ok but u r still a puto of someone :D
Let's not get carried away though, the topic is about the Pro scheme. XDDDD
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2011 > 2004 in terms of personality disorders from what I see :D Namecalling is for little putos anyways. Why cant we all get along?
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TheWalrus, you need to get involved more and know us. Your point of view about russians/Intermediate is not wrong. It's just you are not seeing it all. Many parts of the community do not wander in WN and get people. They arrange their games some other way.
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You're going to give every EiF member who sees that scheme being called Pro an aneurysm. Just sayin'. :-[
haha
i was thinking cool, wormsleaguePRO scheme,. nice!! Then i saw the nana :(
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this is the first time i have read this topic, but i would have to agree with ropa and darkz... ur totally wrong walrus...
and i have been around forever and a day...
ropa said it best... he was spot on with everything he said, but back in the day everyone was mainly concerned with roping... there for past ropers r much better theno today ropers, but as a complete "all arounder" todays players are much better then any of the past with out a doubt.
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lol thread ^
Reminds me of when I played my fist league game for AL. I hosted the "elite" and threw a banana bomb a few turns in, the guy was like "nana in elite"?! We kept playing and I won xD, anyway yeh....
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Yeah I know im wrong and everything, and I don't know the community, but when did I ever say the newer players are worse than the older players? Just saying. All i ever said was I haven't seen these better players, and some people got butt hurt. Either way, its obviously a sore topic for people that take their worms seriously, so ill knock it off.
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you didnt exactly say it that way.... but sure, we are all butt hurt by your massive e-dick :D
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ok I voted..... NO :P
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nikomu nie ciekawie
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nikomu nie ciekawie
so true ! xD
i voted yes btw, even if i have never played it ! ;O
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@ropa, hmm u better play fair with maradona, he'd beat u easy @ cocain sniffing xD
I wouldn't care if I lost, I would only want to participate.
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dark: bng has evolved too much, LG was a non factor back then. I don't remember ITC missing a zook shot and psydome would rape you with +40 nades. I'm sure that with today's new style you two would probably beat anyone from back then, but overall, it's closer than you think. But then again my memory can be playing tricks on me, we all know how nostalgia works in these cases.
I actually played Psydome (apparently) some years back and he really really struggled to play without no rules, all he could do was 3s, like you said LG was a non factor back then so he couldn't even use it right for any shot, he was a nice guy we had a laugh and that's what counts, he said he was impressed with LG in BnG and that sorta made me happy to kinda have this guys approval like sorta passing on his legacy n stuff lol, the only evidence I have is he said he had purple hair and used to say vrooooooooooooooooooooooom vrooooooooooooooooooom HONK HONK alot lol.
But yeah BnG now and BnG then are 2 completely different games, but I honestly feel me and darKz would come out ahead against any oldschooler with either our rules or theirs, it is quite impressive the difference LG made to BnG, it gone changed the game.
Without a doubt BnG was way way easier back then, without a doubt I wish they all still played today though, I would wet my pants to have a b2b Vs BngK series of games haha.
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I vote yes because I thought the whole point of the free league was to include as many schemes as possible to please everyone. There is no problem with adding this scheme to the free league, it doesnt force anyone to play it.
You could already play this scheme and report it as something similar in the free league. The free league isnt like the classic league, its not that active and most of the players are easy going. They wont have a problem playing "pro" as a pick in the free league given that there are already a big choice of free league schemes to pick.
The point of the "free" league is to include every other scheme that people play, so I really dont see the big deal with adding schemes requested by people. It shouldnt need a poll, new schemes should just be added instantly.
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NAiL you are completely right. But if free league becomes a "jungle" it will have less and less value everyday.
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@NAiL; You really want Taktix (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-213/), TodasArmas (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-325/) and Nice (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-466/) into the freeleague?
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has anyone voted for these scheme husk ?
i just mean, there are players who want to play pro scheme at tus and make it more famous...maybe it's not bad !
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I haven't read the whole topic but I'll give you my opinion. This scheme is allowed in LW and I've been picking Pro for many years, I also played some Pro clanners when I was VW in FB. In my experience, the banana has never been a crucial weapon in any game I won (sth like the 90% in LW). This scheme is meant to be played in caverns, otherwise it's an elite with 30 seconds -I know that elite can be also played in caverns- but for me is a funny and interesting scheme.
People who compares Pro with other Animaniacs schemes are absolutely wrong and haven't even played this once, so I don't see the point of posting their useless comment.
Anyway, this scheme is not popular and will never be, but I give my support as Free league IS Free league, a place where we can play these forgotten and not so famous schemes.
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I played this scheme a bit in 2v2 vs K4tsis and oinky, and also 1v1 vs some people who are also used to Intermediate, and I must say, it's a very interesting scheme and much different to Inter and Elite. Though I am not a very active TUS player, in my opinion this scheme is definitely worth to be in the free league. :) So "yes".
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I remember pro scheme was in classics time ago.
it's not going to be lucky scheme like mostly of free league :)
edit: LOL, it's another 'pro' scheme...
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I remember pro scheme was in classics time ago.
it's not going to be lucky scheme like mostly of free league :)
edit: LOL, it's another 'pro' scheme...
Nah, this is the same Pro which used to be in classic league in other leagues such as FB, TPL and CBC/CBS.
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I remember pro scheme was in classics time ago.
it's not going to be lucky scheme like mostly of free league :)
edit: LOL, it's another 'pro' scheme...
Nah, this is the same Pro which used to be in classic league in other leagues such as FB, TPL and CBC/CBS.
no, I think you're thinking of WormsLeaguePRO, the scheme that used to have it's own ranked channel on wormnet in the early years
there are many little differences
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ye
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@Alien; I alrdy agreed on giving Pro a try, so I don't know what you are babbling about.
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@NAiL; You really want Taktix (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-213/), TodasArmas (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-325/) and Nice (https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-466/) into the freeleague?
@Husk
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pal if 3 players want to come to the free league thats np for me xD
The free league is not active enough for this to be an issue. Adding another scheme is not going to turn the league into a jungle, it only stays true to the nature of the free league. If you can already choose from 30+ schemes, it doesnt matter if more are added.... thats what should be happening automatically!
The free league is much more relaxed than the classic league, if somebody really doesnt want to play a pick then its very likely their opponent wont mind changing it seeing as there is already a huge number to choose from. Loads of people ask for free league games that are scheme specific too. By this I mean you see people asking for "tus kaos" etc..
Im waffling here but I really cant see the problem with adding more schemes to the free league... its a good thing to add more schemes to it, adding more schemes wont turn it into a jungle as it already is a jungle!
+ I didnt even look at the poll.... im not gonna play this scheme but 37 people voted yes... its a no brainer to add it!
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Yes, please add the Pro-scheme to TFL!
Because more schemes = more activity = more fun. Another point is, that I played the Pro scheme the first time at the WO Tourney today, over 5 hours in a row and I like the Pro scheme, because it is a lot of skillbased (only bl thing is if u not start and play on a map with too less hides)! I love skillschemes! This Pro scheme would make the tfl better again, because there are so many luckschemes at tus, there rlly should be added more skillschemes :)
Thank you for the Tourney again!
Best regards
;DENnis
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while you're at it add the shotgunless elite scheme.
it plays so different to elite because there are no shotguns
don't voice your opinion if you have never played shotgunless elite scheme SES for short