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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: Senator on December 18, 2015, 01:08 PM
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Currently Classic league playoff series are Bo5, which means u can win by simply being better roper/defaulter (if u get to pick first). Isn't this against the idea of finding the best allrounder? Bo5 also means roper vs defaulter series are very predictable.
How about keeping it still Bo5 but adding this rule: you can pick only two of TTRR/WxW/Roper AND only two of Elite/Hysteria/BnG/Team17 ?
Examples:
1. TTRR
2. Elite
3. WxW
4. BnG
5. Shopper/Hysteria/Team17 (Roper can't be picked)
1. Elite
2. TTRR
3. BnG
4. WxW
5. Shopper/Roper (Hysteria and Team17 can't be picked)
A roper could pick 2 rope schemes + Shopper/default. A defaulter could pick 2 default schemes + Shopper. You could no longer win by picking TTRR+WxW+Roper or 3 of Elite/Hysteria/BnG/Team17.
I think this is a better version of the earlier abandoned rule (first four picks must include 2 rope schemes and 2 default schemes). Another option would be Bo7 series but it might take too long..
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How about removing shopper and hysteria from classic league then
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1. replace ttrr by aerial
2. replace roper by petrolia
3. replace wxw by forts
4. add 1 banana baomb, 1 super banana bomb and 1 holy nade to bng
5. GRANNY SHOPPA FTW :-\
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How about removing shopper and hysteria from classic league then
How would that help? You completely missed the point of this thread.
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How about removing shopper and hysteria from classic league then
How would that help? You completely missed the point of this thread.
My post was sarcastic because this whole thread is a bullshit. Or at least, it is imo.
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Tbh, I also don't understand why shopper is classic scheme, and Intermediate is still in free league?!
Especially this shopper with no afr rule..
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I like thos topic ))
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Good idea. Maybe play all schemes in po ?
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I'm going to get on the 'remove hysteria and shopper from classic' bandwagon while its still rolling
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I don't care what anyones opinion is, this is a fact, Hysteria is more worthy of being a competitive League scheme than Shopper and Team17 based on skill and luck variances, at least in Hysteria skill decides who wins, not what weapons you get in your crates and where your worms are placed at start, at least in Hysteria with bad placement with good tactics and skill you can still win, Shopper is better than Team17 in terms of crate rape, but it's still lame because of the 1st turn thing.
But to be completely honest, the players of Worms Armageddon are so diversified in their preferences Leagues will never completely satisfy anyone.
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this topic is useless, the way it is working now is the best way, and even einstein will not find better solution.
If u are roper u win 2 picks, if u are normal guy u will propably win 2 of ur picks too, then it is 2:2 and the guy who leading in table pick fifth, easy and fair.
The problem here is that many ppl cant rope and are too lazy to learn it, so they search the way to remove ttrr roper or even shopper, but since i am good friend of MonkeyIsland I tell You NO WAY! This is not gonna happen, the system will stay as it is.
Try being allrounder, play every scheme, not just hysteria/elite or ttrr/roper
You have no idea how much I hated ttrr in past, but since most ropers pick it, i had no choice instead of learn it, now I can say it is funny and acceptable scheme
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I don't care what anyones opinion is, this is a fact, Hysteria is more worthy of being a competitive League scheme than Shopper and Team17 based on skill and luck variances, at least in Hysteria skill decides who wins, not what weapons you get in your crates and where your worms are placed at start, at least in Hysteria with bad placement with good tactics and skill you can still win, Shopper is better than Team17 in terms of crate rape, but it's still lame because of the 1st turn thing.
But to be completely honest, the players of Worms Armageddon are so diversified in their preferences Leagues will never completely satisfy anyone.
The tactics are garbage in hysteria, easily the dumbest of any of the ground schemes, anyone that says otherwise is a simpleton and overly impressed with their low-level reasoning ability. All you need to learn about in hysteria you can learn in an afternoon. I agree with you about the luck part completely, though.
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Shopper is better than Team17 in terms of crate rape
crate rape
^ the only interesting thing in the whole topic
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The tactics are garbage in hysteria, easily the dumbest of any of the ground schemes, anyone that says otherwise is a simpleton and overly impressed with their low-level reasoning ability. All you need to learn about in hysteria you can learn in an afternoon.
How are the tactics garbage? Doing the right thing at the right time and predicting your opponents moves, and thinking on the spot places to hide to outshoot your opponent is not easy, one reason I got so good at BnG is my ability to use the right shot at the right time and use the right hide at the right time, the same goes with Hysteria and it's MUCH more tactical than you think.
Yes, learning the rules of Hysteria and generally how to play, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, but neither does BnG, or Roper, or TTRR, mastering the physical skills and accuracy/consistency and tactical advantage is what counts most.
Trust me walrus, Hysteria is a very nice scheme if you can open your mind ;)
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T17 and Shopper are both horribly luck based schemes
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May be they both should be bo3 then?
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If u are roper u win 2 picks, if u are normal guy u will propably win 2 of ur picks too, then it is 2:2 and the guy who leading in table pick fifth, easy and fair.
Try being allrounder, play every scheme, not just hysteria/elite or ttrr/roper
Easy, sure.
I just won a PO series 3:2 by picking TTRR, WxW and Roper. I only needed to show my roping skills to get to the next round. That's the point of this thread. The idea of allround league disappears when the playoffs start. A higher season ranking is not necessarily deserved either (activeness, avoiding, noob bashing etc play a role in rankings).
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If u are roper u win 2 picks, if u are normal guy u will propably win 2 of ur picks too, then it is 2:2 and the guy who leading in table pick fifth, easy and fair.
Try being allrounder, play every scheme, not just hysteria/elite or ttrr/roper
Easy, sure.
I just won a PO series 3:2 by picking TTRR, WxW and Roper. I only needed to show my roping skills to get to the next round. That's the point of this thread. The idea of allround league disappears when the playoffs start. A higher season ranking is not necessarily deserved either (activeness, avoiding, noob bashing etc play a role in rankings).
you had this advantage because during the season you had more points than your opponent! And if you want this advantage, you have to earn it! That's the difficult part which can save your ass in playoffs, this system works perfectly.
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TUS NEEDS A f@#!ING MATCHMAKING SYSTEM IN ORDER TO STOP AVOIDING AND NOOBASHING.
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This rule is a bit flawed anyway (it gives the 2nd picker a chance to win by 3 rope/default schemes if the 1st picker doesn't go with Shopper as 5th).
I still don't like the current system :P It's not perfect if u can get through by either rope or default skills alone.
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there used to be a rule about picks being mixed but none gave a shit ;D
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I don't see what the big fuss is about, the best allround players can do Rope & Default equally well, either learn it or shutup?
As Sbaffo said, you have Playoff Positions, the more work you put into Seasonal the better chance you have of getting 1st pick, the whole point of that is to try and pick the thing your opponent sucks at most or that you think you have best chance of winning.
The only other option I guess is to try and find a scheme to use as the 1st round in PO which suits both Ropers and Default players, but even that would be unfair to those who play more games and win more points to get 1st pick.
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I don't see what the big fuss is about, the best allround players can do Rope & Default equally well, either learn it or shutup?
Maybe read again then? :D The point is that u don't need to be better allrounder to win 3 games, u only need to be better either at roping or in default schemes. And I started this thread after I had benefited from this system myself. For me both rope and default schemes are fine, though.
Some recent examples where the Bo5 system played a role:
#47
DaRiOxD vs VoK 3-2 (TTRR+WxW+Roper vs Elite+Team17)
Senator vs Almog 3-2 (TTRR+WxW+Roper vs Elite+Hysteria)
dibz could have gone with TTRR+Roper+WxW against Chelsea but he wanted to beat Chelsea in at least one default scheme so he picked Elite as 5th
#43
Lukz vs dibz 3-2 (Elite+Hysteria+Team17 vs TTRR+Roper)
#42
Sbaffo vs GreatProfe 3-2 (TTRR+WxW+Roper vs Elite+Team17)
#41
dibz vs Hussar 3-2 (TTRR+WxW+Roper vs Elite+Hysteria)
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i thought i won the hysteria vs Hussar at playoffs
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Senator, many of those players can play both schemes, they just pick the ones they enjoy most and are better at, doesn't mean they aren't good enough to win them.
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Senator, many of those players can play both schemes, they just pick the ones they enjoy most and are better at, doesn't mean they aren't good enough to win them.
Yep, Lukz is a great allrounder but he still lost rope schemes 0-2 to dibz in that final. Therefore Lukz only proved he was better in defaults. You say he deserved the win because he collected more points during the season. I say u shouldn't put that much weight on the seasonal rating because people can game the system to get higher rating..
Bo7 would be better in terms of finding the best allrounder. Even with Bo7 u could win by 4 default schemes but u should show more diverse skills nonetheless.
Actually, the system could be conditional Bo5/Bo7 ;D
- If u lead 3-0 or 3-1, the series is over (Bo5)
- If u lead 3-2 and u have wins in both rope & default, the series is over (Bo5)
- If u lead 3-2 and u have wins only in rope or default, the series becomes Bo7
Most PO series would remain as Bo5. Bo7 would come into play only when one side dominates in rope schemes and the other side in default schemes.
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The moral of this topic is that you have to learn ttrr else you lose and get screwed
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The moral of this topic is that you have to learn ttrr else you lose and get screwed
Hahah.
But there's defenitely a point on this topic.. Either the rules for RR have to be changed (instead of 5 useless worms, maybe bo3 cuz there are ppl - and we all know them - that using only a hand full of maps and especially picking them for 2104184 times before PO game starts..) or the playoff system has to be changed itself. I'm not only refering to RR on that example above but the keynote of "how to pick when 1st" is easily delivered to almost every scheme.
Best solution would be if both players could choose the opponent's pick. Pairing starts and both players have to select a few schemes that they'd like to pick against the opponent. "Who picks first?" will be decided by tossing a coin. However, you can only pick from schemes that were selected by the opponent - picks have to be done in a row, like usual, but the order can be influenced by the opponent.
This makes it a little more sophisticated, like chess, tzheheh..
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style I like the idea of picking from what ur opponent wants
also it sucks that someone just plays PO rr with a map they practiced whole day with... soooo for this maybe something like random rr map picker could work? if someone picks rr in PO, u click "random rr map" and it gives u url to that rr map to play on, it could work like ds map picker... it leaves in history who used it and what map was picked, so no1 can say like "how do I know that map was random"
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Yeah, good idea Husk. You guys just need to find someone who is able and willing to do a program like that.
dS map picker was made by Le Total Killer if I'm correct. You can see how it looks like. Very easy to handle: http://www.worms-univers.com/worms-armageddon/dsp/
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Senator, many of those players can play both schemes, they just pick the ones they enjoy most and are better at, doesn't mean they aren't good enough to win them.
Yep, Lukz is a great allrounder but he still lost rope schemes 0-2 to dibz in that final. Therefore Lukz only proved he was better in defaults. You say he deserved the win because he collected more points during the season. I say u shouldn't put that much weight on the seasonal rating because people can game the system to get higher rating..
Bo7 would be better in terms of finding the best allrounder. Even with Bo7 u could win by 4 default schemes but u should show more diverse skills nonetheless.
Actually, the system could be conditional Bo5/Bo7 ;D
- If u lead 3-0 or 3-1, the series is over (Bo5)
- If u lead 3-2 and u have wins in both rope & default, the series is over (Bo5)
- If u lead 3-2 and u have wins only in rope or default, the series becomes Bo7
Most PO series would remain as Bo5. Bo7 would come into play only when one side dominates in rope schemes and the other side in default schemes.
I like your line of thought but this idea as it is currently constructed isn't practical.
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Senator, Lukz is good enough to beat dibz at roping schemes though, just like I can lose Bng...
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But to be completely honest, the players of Worms Armageddon are so diversified in their preferences Leagues will never completely satisfy anyone.
PERIOD ;d
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WACL: "Each of the three games played will be, one rope, one bng and one default. No exceptions. Any clan playing 2 ropes, etc., loses."
WL: "A playoffs match consists of 3 games: one rope, one bng and one pro/default."
XTC:
"The playoffs will be best of five games out of the following group of schemes.
Only 2 Rope games From ( Roper, TTRR, WXW, Shopper )
Only 2 Default games From ( Elite, Pro and Team17 )
Only 1 BnG game"
TUS: 3 ropes (TTRR, WxW, Roper) or 3 defaults (Elite, Team17, Hysteria) is fine
Fix it and force people to learn BnG!
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So i always need to be in a clan which has at least two active bng players :D
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That isn't entirely clear.
Where does Shopper come into it?
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it should be
- rope rr wxw
- elite intermediate
- team17 shopper
- bng hysteria
free picks, maximun of 2 per class and much better if you remove hysteria altogether
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- rope rr wxw
- elite intermediate
- team17 shopper
- bng hysteria
free picks, maximun of 2 per class and much better if you remove hysteria altogether
You could still pick Elite+Intermediate+Team17 (Intermediate isn't in Classic league ;)) or Elite+Team17+Hysteria, though. Not much roping/bng needed (just one lucky shot in Hysteria). I can also see Shopper being abused by ropers (cave maps).
I like the idea of XTC league's even if the scheme classification isn't perfect...
- One player can pick only two from TTRR, WxW, Roper, Shopper
- One player can pick only two from Elite, Team17, Hysteria
- One of the five picks must be BnG
Examples
1. TTRR
2. Elite
3. WxW
4. Team17
5. BnG (can't pick anything else)
1. TTRR
2. BnG
3. WxW
4. Hysteria
5. Elite/Team17 (can't pick Roper or Shopper)
1. Elite
2. TTRR
3. BnG
4. WxW
5. Roper/Shopper/Team17/Hysteria
Usually a complete PO series would consist of 2 ropes, 2 defaults and BnG. Shopper would occasionally replace one of ropes/defaults.
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What is the aim of these playoffs?
To see who the best is after a season?
The problem here is that we often try and split schemes up into "default" and "roping" categories.
Both those categories have more skill and more luck based schemes.
We could categorise them as follows:
Skill: Elite/TTRR/BnG/WxW
Luck: T17/Shopper/Roper/Hysteria
Currently as it is bo5 you could say not allow more than 2 schemes in luck category (or 1!).
The combination of Roper/T17/Shopper cannot seriously determine who is better...
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imho there should be 5 classes
default: inter and elite
roping: roper and warmer horse
shooting: bng and hyst
racing: rope race and battle race
collecting cr8s: shoppa and t17
wxw isnt part of the list cuz it's the silliest scheme ever XD
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About map whoring, I have a much simpler solution than a something like dS map picker.
Hostingbuddy is integrated with TUS. Which means you can load TUS league schemes, load a TUS map and load a random map from a TUS map pack. Just like dS did to Darts, we can create a map pack with league approved maps for x scheme. For TTRR should be easy, just toss any playable map. For Roper you can exclude crate luck maps(ones too complex that it's impossible to rope any spot on a single turn) for WxW you can exclude too easy maps that will feel like Shopper, for Shopper you can put maps with at least few hides etc. Anyway I think you got the picture. This way you can eliminate map whoring altogether and people cannot host can host these schemes via HB.(it's 2017 tho, learn how to host by yourself already)
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For Roper you can exclude crate luck maps(ones too complex that it's impossible to rope any spot on a single turn)
and how you gonna calculate that... ?
I don't see how is all that stuff going to help, it'd just reduce the number of maps available, which is no good
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The combination of Roper Hysteria/T17/Shopper cannot seriously determine who is better...
Fixed ;)
Yeah imo the scheme list should look like this (Shopper removed)
TTRR
Roper / WxW
BnG
Elite
Team17 / Hysteria (they can be called "default" schemes, that's it)
2 classes for ropes, 2 classes for defaults and 1 class for BnG. Top tier schemes would have their own class.
You could pick only one of Roper/WxW and one of Team17/Hysteria in playoffs (the opponent could still pick the other). This would be reflected in season standings, too. Playing both Team17 and Hysteria or both Roper and WxW wouldn't benefit. You would gain points for overall season standings based on shared rating of T17/Hysteria but lose points based on separate ratings of T17 & Hysteria. I mean if you have collected 600 points from T17 and then play your first Hysteria game and lose, you lose points based on your seasonal Hysteria rating (1000). If you win, you gain different points for overall season rating (based on shared rating of 1600) and for Hysteria season rating (based on Hysteria rating of 1000). This way players who are good at rope+elite+bng would be rewarded. Currently you can replace the lack of rope/elite/bng skills with the other schemes because no one really plays all 8 schemes equally. As a result one player gains the same points from TTRR, Elite and BnG as the other from Shopper, Team17 and Hysteria.
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The point is that these questions where never asked and things were changed either way.
Back in the day it was roper, elite and bng because everything else either didn't exist or was considered newbish.
Time proved many things, for one, that shopper and wxw can be fair and take skill if schemes/maps are picked with thought. Then came hysteria and there was another layer of decision imposed by tus: popularity. Schemes were included in playoffs based on amount of games played and populism.
This constant mixing of criteria made things confusing. To begin with we should first define what criteria should be used to determine the best player in the league. If it's all around skill, in that case, what is an all arounder? if I can BR and Shopper but can't RR or rope, am I proper all arounder because I can race and play a scheme that involves a rope? I could be a terrible "roper" still.
What we have done though, is through the history of leagues, first, change things just for the sake of being different from who came before, and secondly, fix holes as we saw them without asking the correct questions that are still to be answered like the ones above.
The fairest solution would be to make it bo7, and have all schemes played.
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To begin with we should first define what criteria should be used to determine the best player in the league.
It's simple. The league should be about who is the best in the "skill" schemes as categorized by Ryan (+Roper as an alternative to WxW). I'm sure most top players agree with Ryan's categorization. T17, Shopper and Hysteria are considered "newbish". Just need another non-rope scheme to have enough schemes for Bo5 and to keep the original idea of roper, elite and bng. Intermediate can't be played Bo1 so need to resort to Team17/Hysteria.
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To begin with we should first define what criteria should be used to determine the best player in the league.
It's simple. The league should be about who is the best in the "skill" schemes as categorized by Ryan (+Roper as an alternative to WxW). I'm sure most top players agree with Ryan's categorization. T17, Shopper and Hysteria are considered "newbish". Just need another non-rope scheme to have enough schemes for Bo5 and to keep the original idea of roper, elite and bng. Intermediate can't be played Bo1 so need to resort to Team17/Hysteria.
i agree that inter doesnt fit in this league but what about BR? why do ropers have their racing scheme and defaulters dont? :<
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Replace hyst with br??! :D
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hmm you know i love battlerace but i dont thing its quite a classic league scheme, battlerace is the worst scheme for map whoring, way worse than any shopper or rr map whoring
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What is the aim of these playoffs?
To see who the best is after a season?
The problem here is that we often try and split schemes up into "default" and "roping" categories.
Both those categories have more skill and more luck based schemes.
We could categorise them as follows:
Skill: Elite/TTRR/BnG/WxW
Luck: T17/Shopper/Roper/Hysteria
Currently as it is bo5 you could say not allow more than 2 schemes in luck category (or 1!).
The combination of Roper/T17/Shopper cannot seriously determine who is better...
I agree with Ryan >:(
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People are being bias towards the schemes they prefer though.
I don't see how there is anymore skill in Elite than say Shopper or Hysteria, I like all schemes, I understand them for their unique differences and tactics, and also understand why other people don't see them the same way...
Every single scheme in Classic right now, is a skill scheme, some have a bit more luck involved than others but the fact remains 2 players of equal skill should more often than not have a close game, it always has been the case, and always will be the case.
A true all-rounder, or "best overall player" for me personally, is someone who is skilled in Classic & Free, but most players don't even try Free let alone accept it, they just won't even think about it.
These days PO shouldn't be limited to just the 8 schemes, if the purpose is to find the true overall best player.
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Keep the free schemes in the free league, surely.
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If beating Chelsea in WxW is worth a clanner trophy, beating komo in darts should be rewarded with tus modrights.
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With as many as 8 schemes people tend to pick and learn only some of them. Schemes like BnG get forgotten cos they take more time to master and you can succeed without, which is sad. Bo7 would be indeed better if we have 8 schemes and free picks. A PO session could take ~3,5 hours but I guess we can live with that :D CWT finals are Bo7 too.
With less schemes it would be easier for new players to join the league and become competitive in BnG, TTRR, Elite, though ;)
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If beating Chelsea in WxW is worth a clanner trophy, beating komo in darts should be rewarded with tus modrights.
Except beating Chelsea in WxW is easy, beating me in Darts *was* hard.
Keep the free schemes in the free league, surely.
Exactly my point, people aren't willing to try the other skilled schemes, stuck in the mud :(
Why should they remain there? At least eleborate why?
Big RR is better than TTRR (for me, and many others) where it's the opposite for you, and many others...
Edit: Lol, tbh, why they remain there or not, doesn't matter, I think what upsets me is people just disregarding Free league as boring/useless when it's MUCH harder than Classic...
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Because introducing 2x more schemes exponentially increases the opportunity of scheme rape which goes against the whole point of being a better allrounder.
Unless a bo11 is used, of course.
Edit: it upsets you that the schemes aren't included which goes against logic or reason.
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i agree with komo, we should be able to pick free league schemes in PO!!!
dt picks darts, cfc picks battle race, dt picks bungee race, cfc picks mole!! omg.. imagine how awesome this will be??? who will stream it??T?!?!?! :D :D :D
ok, on a more serious not... i rly dont think PO need to be changed... TUS seems to focus on things that just dont matter, things that really dont make a shit of difference in most peoples opinions....
for months people complained about hyst, and ways we can make it better (if removing it was not an option) and people also discussed how to improve the t17 scheme, and roper scheme, and so on... and so on...
not once did i ever see anyone have any complaints on ttrr, yet we have switched around how that is played 3 times now? lol
anyway... i just dont see what the problem is... picking 2 rope, 2 default, then forcing ppl to bng would be horrible... no body wants to bng.... NOBODY! not even komo any more ;P
just leave the PO as is IMO.
ps: remove hyst from classic. (even though komo things hyst as strategic as elite... c'mon komo... really? :D :D :D)
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i just dont see what the problem is...
imo these pick combinations are a problem
1. TTRR+WxW+Roper (you can win by pure rope skills alone)
2. Team17+Shopper+Hysteria (a "Chelsea combo" or whatever you wanna call it)
3. Elite+Team17+Hysteria (only defaults that you can win with tactics and without much bng skills)
Bo7 would be better. A roper would need to show off something else (unless he picks cave Shoppa where roping is in a main role), a Chelsea would need to take at least one respectable win (I know Chelsea can, that's not the point) and someone who goes with defaults would at least need to show off bng skills besides tactics (if he can't rope at all). In this league you are supposed to master 8 schemes and Bo5 doesn't reflect that. Once playoffs start, you can suddenly forget about some of the schemes.
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2. Team17+Shopper+Hysteria (a "Chelsea combo" or whatever you wanna call it)
Chelsea would need to take at least one respectable win (I know Chelsea can, that's not the point) and someone who goes with defaults would at least need to show off bng skills besides tactics (if he can't rope at all).
hmmm my not "Chelsea combo" PO won games :P
1. BnG vs Aladdin https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-212089/
2. Roper vs Spoon https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-193974/
3. Roper vs Berria https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-128926/
+ this -> https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-playoffs/?s=3
I won shoppa (not wxw), elite +...NORMAL XD (mod can change schemes) xD
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i understand what you think the problem is senator... i did read the thread..
i just dont htink its a problem
i mean... your in a way kind of contradicting yourself...
at one minute, you want to fix it because it does not show whos the best all arounder, because people will pick either all rope... or all default...
but if you cant win at least one style of rope... or at least one style of default... doesnt that mean your not an all arounder???
so, its almost as if you want to cater to the people who are not all arounders...
"some people cant just pick all rope schemes, and not everyone is a good roper... so lets force 2 rope, 2 default, and then the scheme everyone hates (bng) to tie break"
i dunno... i just dont see the point in changing things, i think no matter what you do, there will be pro's and con's ... imo just leave it.
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so lets force 2 rope, 2 default, and then the scheme everyone hates (bng) to tie break"
BnG is fine! ttrr and wxw are nightmare! ;D
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but if you cant win at least one style of rope... or at least one style of default... doesnt that mean your not an all arounder???
Possibly. It's also possible that you are the better all arounder but get beaten by a rope/default specialist.. or the opponent beats you in bottom tier schemes. The fact your opponent was ahead of you in season standings doesn't mean anything. He might have simply played way more games, bashed noobs, avoided certain players etc. It would be more fair to play Bo7 and see who can play more schemes. Or force 2 ropes, 2 defaults and bng. Or remove a couple of schemes from the league.
"some people cant just pick all rope schemes, and not everyone is a good roper... so lets force 2 rope, 2 default, and then the scheme everyone hates (bng) to tie break"
I think many hate BnG just because they haven't put the time and effort needed to master it. Many hate TTRR for the same reason. I hated Elite when I started playing tus league.. now I love it. I still hate BnG but I've realized that I don't even need to learn it.
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Bo7 does mean that you need to work harder to win (which is good) but it doesn't eliminate the amount of luck svhemes available..
E.g. you could lose 4-3 with this combo
5h0pper, T17, r0per, hyst vs Elite, TTRR, Bng.
Still, bo7 helps...
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5h0pper, r0per
why
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Yeah - probably not necessary but you know why I did it.
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Edit: it upsets you that the schemes aren't included which goes against logic or reason.
Wrong, it upsets me that people foolishly believe they go against logic or reason, using twisted visions of their own way of life to pass that off.
And what is worse most people don't put any effort into elaborating why tbey THINK it goes against logic / reason, and the few that did it comes down to nothing more than their opinion.
And for the record I don't like TTRR much because it's extremely slow and boring compared to Big RR / WxW and Roper, but at the same time I appreciate it and players like you who have mastered it.
I wish people were not so close minded here...
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Komodo argues every single topic the same way, brings all down to the subjective side and then just claims he's as right as you are because both of you are people and both of you are capable of having opinions.
He says it in a bunch of different ways though, language is such a tool.
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Why can't people stay on the topic? What the f**k does it matter the way someone speaks, I speak this way for me, not for you.
If you can't stay on topic, YOU are insecure, period.
All I done was say how I feel about schemes and leagues etc, I never asked ANY of you to believe MY way, really lol.
Then what usually happens is you all start getting insecure and start insulting each other, then blame it on the person you are insulting LOL.