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Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: Peja on June 11, 2012, 12:32 PM
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(+593: 19-0)BaK
(+65: 2-0)MW
(+101: 4-1) CRW
(+438: 14-2)vI
(+170: 5-0) AQ
those 19 games against Bak make their winning ratio from below 50% to above the mark. es has a positive ratio against tdc (12:9) dc (4:3) and HoN (13:11). against better clans they are all negative.
basicly you earned your current po spot by playing a high amount of games against much weaker clans.
maybe you have something like an avoiding obligation in your clanstatute, lol.
well there is no rule about it so all i can say is:pls show some balls, beating huskov shouldnt be the main challenge to reach playoffs.
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I agree with this, maybe they didn't do it on purpose, I remember before ArtiC was in cFc he was in that other clan TaG, me daina and lalo used to play TaG 80% more than other clans just cuz timezone.
Whether it may be innocent, I still think peja is right.
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Peja i cant believe u really serious? Does Germany is out from euro so u got mad with us and blame my clan?
Ok let see if I understand:
We must to AVOID games against BaK to play just with CfC, CkC and mm, just because YOU WANT.
Last week a l3x player said me who I must promove at eS moderator and today a TDC player is saying to ME what clans eS must play clanners.
aiaiai
guys, u are very concerned with balls stuff. Forget balls, women are more delicious!
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dont get me wrong, es did a great job in last seasons. and its always nice when a new clan enters the top spots. but its just a fact other clans play without that point boost. i would like to see es arrange a nice couple of games with ps during the next 12 days. and maybe you should stop raping bak until the end of the season ;)
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elbow pain ... seriously dude? why do not you stop talking and put your clan in PO?
we lost more against strong clans but we won more points.
aany problem with that?
really you have nothing better to do! just talk talk talk talk talk talk talk.
stop talking bullshit, if you are angry that we are nearby the PO
then help your clan to take our position.
we played against clans like vI and dC coz of our zone, and BaK also call us to play. u can forbiden them to call us for clanner then ;)
Bak doesnt call you? :(
i like you! but sometimes you annoying with superfluous comments
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Scorpus, I don't know what Pejas intentions are, but I am well aware eS is not a noob bashing clan, but the fact you have 19-0 with BaK, 14-2 with vI and alot less games with all other clans, doesn't deserve a PO spot, I know you prolly play them just for fun, but think about it?
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For example, 1st is CF, 2nd is mm, 3rd is CKC, 4th is eS, 5th is cFc
The PO clanner limit is 50 games I think? Anyway if it is for example, 4th is eS, but they played say, 200 clanners, they have 55% win ratio, JUST making the requirement for qualification, they lose most of their games against clans like CF mm CKC and cFc, but they beat so many like BaK, vI, AQ etc, on the other hand, there is cFc, sitting with only 120 games played, and 500 points less, but have win ratio of 75% against all clans.
Are you honestly trying to say that eS would deserve the PO spot, just because they played 80 more games, against noob clans? Regardless if it was innocent fun, or noob bashing? Imo that spot in this situation would belong to cFc, but instead the clan with 20% less win ratio and most points with less skilled clans unfairly claims the last PO spot...
I feel that information like above should be taken into consideration when offering PO spots.
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as i said! we played against strongs clans and we lost many games. but we won more points them...
we played 30 games against ckc, we lost 20 and won 10 but we have advantage in 99 points...
8-11 ps +255 for us
7-11 mm +229 for us
4-8 cFc +152 for us
dont u think the principal problem is the scoring system of tus?
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ok,i wont talk about it! i dont see necessities :-[ cya
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Scorpus, that's why I said I know eS is not a noob bashing clan.
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@Peja
okay wanna talk about stats, i cant be humble in statistcs because i love them! These facts show the eS clanners activity in this season:
- eS clan took 2380 points against the clans who we have positive pointstreak, these 2380 points can be considerate this way:
** 39% against subskilled clans = 1318
** 61% against overrall skilled clans = 2062
Here the number who i used to calculate:
+ 593 BAK | + 438 vI | + 251 ps | + 229 mm | + 170 AQ | +160 TDC | + 152 cfc | + 101 CRW | + 99 CKC | + 72 DC | + 65 MW | + 50 CF
Now I have askies for u mister balls:
# 1 Why eS clan is being blammed? Are we disrespecting some TUS rule playing with weakest clans?
# 2 Did our points come just for weakest clans?
# 3 Why eS clan is being blammed instead TUS system leagues?
4. Why blame eS clan if ALL clans played against BaK at this season?
5. How u want Bak learn to play clanners? Magic? Offline trainnin against CPU 4 and 5? Imaginary Friends? Could be better if YOU ask BaK to avoid us or...
6. If u are angry because eS is in playoffs, u can leave the TdC clan and join BaK, so BaK wont be weak anymore and prolly Bak will take points of us sure if u play with them :)
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:-\ :-\ We lost a lot of players in the middle season. Smok, Nivman, Style, Sebha left us and We keep stronger. Its really bad sportmanship u blame eS clan to be in playoffs AT THIS MOMENT just because u decided to call us "noob basher". I guess You need to play clanners and try to put TdC in playoffs instead creating useless threads about our clan. I guess will be good for TdC, for eS and for TUS.
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Who makes noob clans play against eS is Chelsea. xD
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stop talking about points lmao, the problem is winning ratio, peja is right, the only chance to reach playoffs is beating hurpy over 9000 times
I even can call some players who is doing nothing but avoiding
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Peja does not say nothing wrong on eS.
Peja just blaming this f@#!in wrong system.
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the TUS system has fails everyone know it and MI is creating a new point system to start in season 27, if Peja doenst know He can read here:
https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/announcements/new-plan-for-leagues/
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Seems like bashing to me
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# 1: No you dont, like i already said: there is no rule
# 2: no, but your winning would be below 50% without all these games. maybe its not on purpose but you fix your ratio by playing a higher amount of games against weaker clans.
#3 you wouldnt ask this question if you were 100% sure you deserve this spot, right?
#4 cfc 3 games, mm 0 games, ckc 3 games, ps 0 games, cfc 0 games, es 19 games.
#5 never said you shouldnt play them
#5 husk already showed its bad leaving tdc for bak because u cant get back to tdc ;D
of course you can play whoever you want. but imo you dont deserve this spot in a case like this.
i remember similar situations as random wrote something about r3spect in classic league. someone also wrote something as komo pawned me 14:0 in first tel season. the difference is, komo just played for fun and didnt care of playoffs. i just have a feeling the community nowdays just accpet such situations. gabriel for example reached trl playoffs by playing a significant number of games against his own clanmates who arent known as a serious hysteria challenge.of course he belongs into hysteria playoffs, but its not the best way to reach it.
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ok so ask MI to delete us from playoffs, Gabriel from TRL playoffs, Chelsea from Classic playoffs, take off me from trl team17 playoffs and put a rule:
"a player/clan cant play against players/clans without Peja's ok" and make Peja TUS League Moderator.
:D I have a good idea: :D
Peja can create a thread in FOS forum like "Karma System 2.0", u can create the "Clanner System 2.0", check my example:
Bak is callin clanners in #ag.
I go to Clanner System 2.0 and post "Bak wants clanner, can eS plays?" so Peja approve or disapprove it, could be very nice!!!
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I think the only thing you can argue is that eS got a +50% winning pct by beating weaker clans.
The number of points they scored vs them isn't so big. 400'ish is pretty peanuts.
CKC scored over 1000 by playing 26-23 vs mm.
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Lies Peja, it was 15-0 :'(
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sorry for talking down your achievment. anyway was a cool night/morning.
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ok so ask MI to delete us from playoffs, Gabriel from TRL playoffs, Chelsea from Classic playoffs, take off me from trl team17 playoffs and put a rule:
"a player/clan cant play against players/clans without Peja's ok" and make Peja TUS League Moderator.
:D I have a good idea: :D
Peja can create a thread in FOS forum like "Karma System 2.0", u can create the "Clanner System 2.0", check my example:
Bak is callin clanners in #ag.
I go to Clanner System 2.0 and post "Bak wants clanner, can eS plays?" so Peja approve or disapprove it, could be very nice!!!
+1 :)
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« Last Edit: Today at 05:17 pm by philie »
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You would never guess who was totally against a rule about avoiding lol
amigo, this is as "invade privacity".
Play who wants against who this person wants.
Where is freedom? Noone must to be forced to play.
All about this is personal. In my viewpoint, make rules about who play with someone is crazy man. Absolutelly roflmao.
If someone wants to play against noobs and get points, ok, leave him alone. HE WILL NOT TOUCH THE POS THIS WAY EVER EVER EVER. If there is a problem, this one is a problem on the tus system games and isn't about ppl ask tus in AG.
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its funny but God is powerful and i am the eS leader, so we are saved from the hell :D
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The clan who bash weak clans (I am saying in general not eS), can reach the PO but whatever ?? They will not win the PO anyway, there will always be a good clan also in PO to them lose, think about it and leave them alone.
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Kaleu, we cannot accept "they won't win po anyway, who cares" as an acceptable condition to allow this horrible and cowardly sportsmanship to continue.
Like the example I had shown, it isn't fair on another clan with better results, quantity should not be superior to quality.
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it's impossible for a clan reach POs playing just with weak clans, forget it.
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it's impossible for a clan reach POs playing just with weak clans, forget it.
No, it isn't, You could have 40% winning ratio with mm, cFc, ckc, ps, CF, and be #1 in standings with points, but won't make PO cuz winning %, but if you have 90-100% win ratio, lots of games with noob clans, it will raise your overall winning %, and you could steal a PO position from a more deserving clan.
Didn't they teach math at your school?
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my opinions is, there really is nothing anyone can do to stop eS from doing what they do...
its obvious they are bashing, and there is nothing they can say to change everyones opinion on that...
they have more wins vs bak then they do games played total vs higher end clans...
I think eS is trying to make a good name for themselves, and want to be seen as a top clan, and a competitive clan along with clans like cf, cfc, mm, ckc, ps....
but they are going about it all in the wrong way... the sooner they see that, and understand that, is the sooner they may get noticed, and accepted as a top clan.
so with all that said: there are 3 type of clans: top competitive clans, that will play everyone, and anyone, at any time..... fun clans, that still play for the win, but really dont care either way as long as they are having fun, they also play anyone, at any time..... and then there are the avoiding type clans, who play more vs lesser skilled clans, and tend to avoid the top clans unless they have optimal members to compete.......
eS will have to decide which type of clan they wanna be seen as.
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just because we beat BaK we are a basher clan?
Ah cmon Avi u can make better than it.
eS vs mm is 8-11 (equalized score), we beat mablak and statik (vn players in hyst) 2 times in a row using average hysterians team (me and easy).
Why u dont talk about RoH? RoH just play clanners when they have ropers online, if they havent, they play just default schemes. Does RoH is a lammer clan too?
We dont disrespect no one TUS rule, we play clanners always against every clans and for now u are trying to disqualify our job because we won some points against a clan who u are calling noob.
Its pretty beautiful say "TUS needs more clans to be competitive" but in the practice is "blame all noob clans they give free wins for eS".
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I've already said I don't think eS are basher clan.
We just played them, Hysteria/Roper and they didn't even have any strong ropers on, I offered them another scheme but they were ok with it.
I feel a bit bad because throughout both games we were on top of them the whole time, but I was very impressed because not once did they act out of order, Chelsea said few swear words, but this is normal when having a game like this and having no luck, they never insulted us, or anything, and acted mature.
I wouldn't worry about eS, we should be more concerned about the loophole with noob-bashing for winning %, it should be looked at.
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There is a nice rule in the Intermediate cup hosted by Jakka: activity > winning ratio. eS is very active clan, they are not used to avoid games, some of them are annoying, but still, they make a good effort to get into POs. Why a "better" clan with less games should replace them? That clan can beat eS and steal their points at any time if want...
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statik *.* so cute :-*
im loving u now! seriously xD
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absolutelly, Statik.
We are up to play clanners with our players as possible, We prefer to get clanners with players enough (at least 1 defaulter and 1 roper nices) and this isnt wrong. We have 200 ~ games in this season and we were about 700 points to get the POs. We did a hard job winning nice clanners last week to be where we are now. Clanners vs BaK didnt help so much because BaK isnt a overrall clan but today we played vs AQ and we lost a game.
When my mates plays vs BaK or AQ i got scared because 1 game lost = 70 points lost and 1 game won = 15 or 20 points gained - this isnt a good deal but we called clanner in #ag so we cant avoid these clans.
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There is a nice rule in the Intermediate cup hosted by Jakka: activity > winning ratio. eS is very active clan, they are not used to avoid games, some of them are annoying, but still, they make a good effort to get into POs. Why a "better" clan with less games should replace them? That clan can beat eS and steal their points at any time if want...
Nah that's just wrong mate, i've already proved it if you are willing to go back, read, and understand it.
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ofc Komo, I'm wrong, but you say it like cFc should get into POs automatically. Play games, be happy.
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Please don't use "we beat Mablak and Statik at Hysteria" as an argument, Hysteria is a joke and you know it.
And generally I agree, you guys should play more games vs stronger clans and probably not pick Hysteria (25%) and Team17 (15%) all the time. Not gonna call you avoiders or noob bashers but think about it, you won't get stronger by playing noobs and you're basically stealing a PO spot from a more deserving clan. And if you're honest you don't stand a chance at winning the playoffs anyway, so it would be a wise decision to work on your overall skills before you seriously go for playoffs.
Now flame me to death! :D
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nah Darkz i guess u have a good oppinion even about hysteria hehehehe
we make mistakes its normal, just there are players who want to make mash here.
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I agree with darkz, if eS wanna learn something new, they have to play strong clans and improve at their weak schemes. But now it looks like they are ok with winning weaker clans, and we can't force Chelsea to learn ttrr hehe. People who want to improve (hi style) left them and joined real top clans ;)
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ofc Komo, I'm wrong, but you say it like cFc should get into POs automatically. Play games, be happy.
Well it wasn't my intention mate, I used cFc as an example because if it actually did happen, i'd feel cheated out of the PO, not because I feel we should get auto, but look at it this way, if we played 120 with best clans and they played 200 with noob clans, and limit for PO is 50 games, +70(120) games is still alot of games in 1 season and with a win % of 70% - 80% against the best clans, obv we would deserve the PO spot lol.
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Please don't use "we beat Mablak and Statik at Hysteria" as an argument, Hysteria is a joke and you know it.
And generally I agree, you guys should play more games vs stronger clans and probably not pick Hysteria (25%) and Team17 (15%) all the time. Not gonna call you avoiders or noob bashers but think about it, you won't get stronger by playing noobs and you're basically stealing a PO spot from a more deserving clan. And if you're honest you don't stand a chance at winning the playoffs anyway, so it would be a wise decision to work on your overall skills before you seriously go for playoffs.
Now flame me to death! :D
Its just the truth.
And Peja, I'm absolutely with you there. eS with that way dont deserves a playoff spot. And its obviously why. But, they didnt break any rule. Its just lame and no sportmanship.
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I can't see any reason why eS should not deserve a PO spot. They have played clans like ps, mm and cFc an equally amount of games as vs BaK. CKC is the clan which they very clearly have played most games with. Should they not play vs BaK? Should we all avoid playing vs BaK? eS has played many games vs all the top clans this season.
I think professor is nice and honest guy who wants what's best for the community and his clan. eS might have some players that have a few things to learn about fairness, but I don't think accusing the clan like this is fair at all. They've played many games this season and surprised in quite a few games against stronger rated clans, they deserve the spot imo.
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Okay now i arrived in my house and i am calm and i have time to write some useless words for u guys about all:
:-\ I am wondering if TUS accept new clans here. Because We have a "TOP 5" composed by CF, CFC, MM, CKC and PS.
After these "top 5", excepting TdC and RoH - traditional clans, every clan who born is quickly blamed by somethings what i didnt wait from men balled. When i was rox it was the same. When dC born everyone blamed dC. Same with doh and eVo.
I just want to know what is it? Affraid? Jealous?
Maybe TUS just need 5 or 6 clans to play and a playoffs with 2 clans. ::)
Style, Me, Scorpus, Easy, Chelsea, even Phanton has the same profile: players who joined medium clanners or came back to activity after a long break. Otherwords, all us are players who are semi-skilled. Addicionally, some players never joined good clans so they are inexperient. If today i try to join any TOP5 clan 100% i'd be refused by my poor skillz in rope games. So must I get clanless just coz TUS doesnt accept other clans?
:o Much more than that: I saw here a order composed by some tus oldschoolers who have problems with new players. I dont need say names, everyone here know who they are, its always the same. The same ppl who posted here in 3 threads to try disqualified eS clan in the TUS communitty. I dont care because we are a familly, we have our problems and sometimes some players make shits, its normal, anyone here can make mistakes.
eS clan is a place for ppl who is interested to take part of a team where there are charges and fun. We wont play to lose, we wont play to be the 7th, 8th or 100st place in stats. We will play to be the number 1. We have our way to manage the clan, and we are always improving our manage style with good tips from the other players.
But what we saw today? Just a fcking ladies mess. Peja caling us noob bashers, other ae calling us avoiders (even playing 2x more than some pro clans ae), another player saying "eS has just noobs". Ah cmon do u havent job? Do u havent gf? Do your hands are busy?
We just played clanners vs BaK because they accepted. No one here put a shortgun in BaK players's head to play with us. Who must care with clanners vs BaK? Me, the leader, sure. What weak clans can help us? Losing points, that's their help. We wont touch the playoffs playing against weak clans. Playing against weak clans is bad for any skilled clan, any stupid player know it.
That's the end for now. You some guys brought mess enough for now. :'(
Thx for who understood our viewpoints like Komito (always smart), Crazy (always lovely) Statik (always Statik) and others... :-*
I wont post nothing more here and i ask the others eS players the same. Wanna watching some soap opera, wanna eating some burritos and wanna take a chat with a girl with boobs in cam coz more helpful.
If You want to annoying someone, forget eS clan stuff because - to be honest - its not your matter.
Helps are welcome so u guys can pm me, i'd love!
Regarditos from Profitoo xD
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Useless wors are right, it was annoyings of honesty, but still i say do you, bash on, playoffs ill see you, luck be good i hope.. I too love girl with boobs, beers for tus on me
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Nice words ae.. we need to accept that whatever we make here will be bad for tus people.. beginner clans should play only vs the best clans to improve, and after losing 50 games the beginners will be gone, they gave up playing w:a.. maybe we should stop playing this league too.. coz the other players don't like if we are playing.. to be honest I'm really sad to see these words (and it can be worse to Profe).. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
btw there were a lot of games in this season when we played with a bad team vs the big 5 (Profe was kinda angry hehe :D).. weren't that noobbashing? they got a lot of points vs us, when I had no roper partner, or when I had to play normal scheme (and here is not the "I" is important, but my English is poor to write it well).. it was the same I think.
Thanks guys again, I really don't want to play this league now.. but I hope eS will make me happy again somehow :D
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f@#!ing sad to read it all, these guys who liek to start fights should be full watched out / muted, wtf take care of urself, this is not with me but I really feel very frustated with it all cya.
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f@#!ing sad to read it all, these guys who liek to start fights should be full watched out / muted, wtf take care of urself, this is not with me but I really feel very frustated with it all cya.
Yeh,agree. Well,I stoped read it coz I know that all this bullshit. And all this bullshit started WHO? Right,peja. Coz why? Coz troll. For what? For annoying...
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Scorpus, I don't know what Pejas intentions are, but I am well aware eS is not a noob bashing clan, but the fact you have 19-0 with BaK, 14-2 with vI and alot less games with all other clans, doesn't deserve a PO spot, I know you prolly play them just for fun, but think about it?
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For example, 1st is CF, 2nd is mm, 3rd is CKC, 4th is eS, 5th is cFc
The PO clanner limit is 50 games I think? Anyway if it is for example, 4th is eS, but they played say, 200 clanners, they have 55% win ratio, JUST making the requirement for qualification, they lose most of their games against clans like CF mm CKC and cFc, but they beat so many like BaK, vI, AQ etc, on the other hand, there is cFc, sitting with only 120 games played, and 500 points less, but have win ratio of 75% against all clans.
Are you honestly trying to say that eS would deserve the PO spot, just because they played 80 more games, against noob clans? Regardless if it was innocent fun, or noob bashing? Imo that spot in this situation would belong to cFc, but instead the clan with 20% less win ratio and most points with less skilled clans unfairly claims the last PO spot...
I feel that information like above should be taken into consideration when offering PO spots.
This is the life man, accept it.... a lot of ppl on Tus single got PO spots every season playing only vs bad players, and we play vs good clans too, i think u have to agree with me.. but the fact we hav many players, makes possible we play in diferent times of the day, and cfc, for exemplo, isnt online all the day.