Seems I'll release TEL sooner, in fact I could release it tonight, but lets take a moment to figure out its point/system.
as for TNL, the system was designed to accept best of N games. For example, people could report 3:2 in TNL and system would counted in a way that 3:2 would bring you more points than 2:1 because you played more games.
so in this way, you could have an agreement before game that you wanna play bo1 to bo9 and the winner reports once.
The other way is to make it like classic or free league. One report per each game.
Do you want to report each game individually or you want to be able to report games with results?
Post any other idea about TEL here, the sonner we finish this, the sooner TEL will be on its way.
At first, I really looking forward to play TEL soon :) Good job there, MI. :)
System / Generel
I would prefer single reports like at single league. I also would prefer that people host one Elite each. But it should be possible to report just one Elite. For "Best of Series" there are tourneys, I think thats enough.
Pointing system analog Single League, I'd say.
Playoffs
To get into Playoffs you should have at least 50 Single-Elite Games reported and be at Top 8 at ranking.
Lobby
I really would prefer that TEL games should be played at "non-knocking channel", like #pt. If both players didnt agree / forget to play at #pt, they just have to find a solution by themself if any knocks "kills" the game. If they cant, game should just be voided and rehosted.
Scheme
Use Elite Scheme from TUS only. But thats not a problem I guess ;)
Maximum Amount of playing same oppenent
I vote there should be a number of games which you can play vs same oppenent. I'd start with 10 games per season / max. 4 in one week.
Complains
As managed like at other leagues, no "extra judgement" needed.
Maps
Playing at saved maps or maps from a open map pack should be forbidden at all. Only "island maps" allowed, no caves.
Thats all I have in my mind, so far. :)
reporting best of N games or single reports, both seem fine, I don't think it matters either way, so just pick one way.
50 game minimum for playoffs seems ok I guess.. maybe just Top 4 though? should encourage people to play games and fight for the spots, and it's first season.. so maybe expand to more in future if needed?
partytime# would be best, for sure. just gotta remember it. I've been using it lately anyway.
10 games limit per season? well how long is a season? and only 4 in a week? hmm, they seem a bit strict from the start.. maybe expand them for first season? just a thought
avoid saved maps, yes please ;d
SPW, wouldn't you prefer to have a win % limit for Playoffs also?
Say, 60%-70%?
Or whatever you feel is best...
IMO it would be a pity to discard the Best-of-X reporting. People who only play 1 game can still report it as a single game right?
I agree there have to be limits as to how often 2 players can play each other every season, though I don't see the point in "x games per week". Also, how would Best-of-X-series be counted towards "games played"? Is a bo5 set which I won (3-2) 1 game, 3 games or 5 games worth towards the limit?
You decide if you play best of 9 or 1, it doesn't matter, it's just the amount of games that decide the outcome of the match. It's still one result - you win or you lose.
One month, one season. That's my opinion. It doesn't really matter that one month is 28 days, the other is 31. It's a lot nicer and better organized to keep the results like - January 2011 - or something like this. And 30 days should be enough too. :)
50 games sounds a little too much for me, I'd rather say either 30 or 40, but then include win % into PO requirements.
Looking forward to playing in it. :)
I'd say 2 months for each season. because as start it will have less activity. Leaving the game limit for 15 for each player.
60% win percentage sounds good.
@darKz, Ray's right. Every bo game will be counted as one. But the point is a 2:0 won in a bo3 game will have less points than two 1:0 games. I guess that's reasonable enough.
I don't think it's necessary to count the points differently. <offtopic>wee that rhymes xD</offtopic>
Based on the same principle as we count BOX games as one match - it is one match. :)
I agree to MI with doing a season by 2 months. I thought about doing it like other leagues, so like 6 weeks. But I can barely live with 2 months. 1 Month is to short and to many playoff-games will be there. 2 months really sounds good.
And yea, Komo was right with Win-%, I also would agree with 60%. Top 4 like Franz said sounds not bad. It makes the fight harder, thats the good point. But I afraid that some people could play "easier" oppenents more - for Win-% and ofc for reaching Top 4. So maybe Top 8 would be better for the take-off.
15 games limit is okay too, I can live with it. Also I could live with a non-maximum amount per week.
About the System, thats a bit more difficult to agree for me. If its same result by posting a whole series like reporting every single game, okay. But if not, It maybe would be better to keep every reports as a single game.
Last but not least, the minimum amount of games per season to get into PO's: I would say 40 is okay too, at start. Depense a bit about the lenght for each season. If its only 1 month, 30 games. If its 2 months, 40-60 games. I would prefer 50 then.
SPW in order to fix "noob-bashing" couldn't the moderators of TEL come up with some sort of system preventing this?
For example, a panel of judges who know the most about Elite and how good the players are, who can decide if they have been noob-bashing or not?
Or you could make a % limit that you must play a certain amount of different players also to qualify for playoffs?
Or even think of some other way?
SPW, now that you mention players playing "easier" opponents - since this is an Elite league, I don't think that name only indicates the scheme we play, this is an elite league. :) So, why not adding one extra rule to prevent "noobbashing" (god I hate this word):
For PO participation, it should be a requirement to have played at least 40% of the people in the league. Something like this, we can change that number. I personally think it would be balanced, you have 2 months to play 40 games, say we have 100 people playing. Do the maths. :)
Quote from: Ray on October 29, 2010, 06:45 PM
For PO participation, it should be a requirement to have played at least 40% of the people in the league. Something like this, we can change that number. I personally think it would be balanced, you have 2 months to play 40 games, say we have 100 people playing. Do the maths. :)
I beat you to the punch :P Haha
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what is the point of a win% requirement? whatever way you get the points to get a high rank, what does win% matter? If you only play really skilled and high rated players, then your win% might not be amazing, so don't punish these kind of players... Maybe I just have to hear the other side of the argument to understand, so if anyone wants to explain, i'll hear it.
"x games per week" I also don't see the point of having this restriction. I agree with darkz
as for any best-of-X, I'd like to hear the reasoning for making them worth different than single games because I'd feel that they should just be treated equally.
1 month seasons I never really liked, always seemed too short, never enough time for lazy people during playoffs.. so 2 months should be good, or something around that if others agree. if it's 2 months, then I think I can understand going with top8 for playoffs... so I can agree on that. also if it's 2 months, 40-50 games minimum should be fine.
if people noob-bash, doesn't the amount of points they get just get smaller and smaller so that it's not worth it anymore? has this ever been a problem?
I dunno about that play 40% of all players requirement.. sounds hard for some people maybe due to timezones or whatever... but I guess I'm not totally against it if everyone wants it.
Well to make Playoffs each month, the best players for THAT month would be decided by their win %
To me it'd mean they have played better and tried harder that season, so it's kinda fair?
Seems fair to me?
oh so it's about the two rankings? the season rank and overall rank? it prevents the overall rank from getting in easy just by playing the minimum games with a crappy win%? is that it?
If thats how you want it, its for everyone to decide I guess
franz, i think MI means... that say 1 single game is worth 50 points... and another single game win is worth 50 points.....
when u play a best of 3.. and u won 2 games... ur not going to get 100 points, where as you did get 100 points for previous 2 wins (because they were singles) you will only get 50 points. (just an example)
i think thats what i he means, but i could be wrong.
I guess having best-of-x will probably make more confusions or possibly reporting mistakes.
As start, TEL will be like classic league, using ELO system.
Sounds okay. :)
After 1st Season we can talk about again for some tiny fixes, we dont need to rush. :)
yeehaaaaw, good news. cant wait to play this. :-* :'(
TEL will start officially tomorrow, in 1st November.
Fasten your seat belts ;)
I was hoping it will start at weekend, but nvm, at least it starts now! :)
Awesome. :P
Free, you got pm :)
Nino is true Elite king, he is in 2 Elite communities aeeeee xD
hey iam back with that discursion lol.
but talking serious, this system need a change, i dunno what for real but needs a change.
the system point should count from the current sesson, not the overall, i mean if sesson 3 just started them ill be 1000, and i play vs another player whos playing the 1st game of sesson too, each one would get 30 points per exemple, not really fair if iam 1400 overall and the player is like 1010 or so and if i win i get like 20 points and if lose he gets like 50 or something, iam really bored with that lol, this sesson per exemple i won 10 games lost 6 and still below 1000 wtf porra!
iam about to give up this caralho! xD
btw imagine sesson 10 of TEL..will be almost impossible to mablak / random00 get into playoffs, they can win 40 games and get like 2 points per games then lose one and GG huahauha bye 100 points haha.
The system is fine the way it is, I made the playoffs by playing 15 games with peja, so what, I went and played ALOT more games with other players and lost alot too, I lost 5-0 to devilage right after, it's all good :)
At least I didn't just sit in the PO position and wait :P
the system is fine imo too, but could get better too. so iam giving a sugestion tho. porra!
Quote from: nino on January 08, 2011, 03:56 AM
this sesson per exemple i won 10 games lost 6 and still below 1000 wtf porra!
iam about to give up this caralho! xD
win 10, lose 6, does not matter... it's who you play. you complain being below 1000, but if u didn't lose 60pts to TheKiller on ur 6th loss, you would be over 1000. I look at ur games, and u played some nice players.. some win, some lose. but I think your standing is pretty accurate at 949 season rating. keep playing, and work hard to win more elite nino king ;] focus ur energy there instead of complaining the system :P
Quote from: nino on January 08, 2011, 03:56 AM
btw imagine sesson 10 of TEL..will be almost impossible to mablak / random00 get into playoffs, they can win 40 games and get like 2 points per games then lose one and GG huahauha bye 100 points haha.
nah not 2 points per game if they play each other. MI is trying to encourage this more.. high ranked players playing each other.
i know what u mean franz, iam not really sad with the system, but it is pretty sad to lose 60 points and then u just think porra! now i have to play like 3 or 4 games to get the points back, indeed it is my fault to be below 1000 lol, if i win all games id never be like this xD but iam talking about any change that makes things a bit more fair.
Quote from: nino on January 08, 2011, 05:45 AM
i know what u mean franz, iam not really sad with the system, but it is pretty sad to lose 60 points and then u just think porra! now i have to play like 3 or 4 games to get the points back, indeed it is my fault to be below 1000 lol, if i win all games id never be like this xD but iam talking about any change that makes things a bit more fair.
But nino, it is your fault for being good, and getting those high points the 1st time, before you play, when you have 1000 rank, it is your risk to play ;)
Lol how do you think I feel with TuS BnG? I lose more or less 60+ points to anyone, even 2nd place, and with anyone under 10th I lose about 70 lol, I only win average of like 3 points every game, but I accept it even though it can be frustrating, still, I change this: We come into the world with nothing, we leave with nothing :D
lmfao komo it, very soon even winning the game ull lose points HAHAHAHAH
Lol, nino, you are not far from the truth, I remember in FB, I got so high when I win, I get 0 points, this is truth haha
lmfao serious? huahuahuahuha!!!!!!!
btw how was the system in fb? i forgot lol it was like here in tus or any diference?
It was slightly different, I can't even check because I reset my games at some point towards the end in anger cuz I lost a game, what a child haha. I will check though.
ok komo ill sleep, tomorrow morning i want a fully relatory of how was the system in FB, please revise this b4 send me it and please dont print, think in the trees u already destroy playing bng lol,so i dont want a waste of paper, just make it a PDF and send to my e-mail.
thanks XD
I can't find anything for FB, there site says some crap about coming back in January 2009 with no hacks etc lol
The system on FB was basically the same as here.