been more yes votes then no's for a while now... but in all fairness, its pretty much even... for sake of argument lets call it 50%... so its fair to say it can be a second option to the roper game...
please can we move this along, there are alot of people that are waiting for this... 73 to be exact.
It should either replace the original Roper scheme or not even be in a league at all.
We don't need 2 seperate Rope schemes, think about it...
Pick 1 or the other.
This scheme is mainly for skilled ropers. We find it more interesting than normal Roper since it's not as luck based as the previous version was. I can bet that top ropers will play it almost everytime. Let's just add it, finally.
The original scheme is MUCH better in my opinion, if played on a map that doesn't fill 80% of the land available...
I have played the w2 scheme alot, I even played proper ropers on w2.
Neither scheme is for better skilled ropers, both schemes take as much skill as the other.
Ropers were perfect 4+ years ago, then people started hosting more and more evil maps.
Seriously, if you look at ropers back then, and ropers now, you would notice the only thing stopping it from being purely skill, is the fact the maps are so ridiculously evil nowadays that EVERYONE gets crate raped eventually, even the BEST ropers around now always lose a fair few games due to evil crates even when they rope perfectly.
Some people say "It's boring on old style maps" I don't see why, imo they were perfect because you could actually collect your crate AND attack every turn with hard crates, if you fell, then that's where you deserve to lose, not because of crates, and imo it was much more fun being able to collect your crate and attack EVERY turn because you have the skill, not the luck.
This scheme, with still ridiculous maps, doesn't solve it in my opinion, however I would like it if it took over form original roper, but NOT as a second choice, it should be one, or the other, there is absolutely NO need for 2 rope schemes...
Whatever happens, it won't happen before the next season/league update. That's at least 17 days from this moment on.
komo, we understand ur one of the 55 the voted no... but this thread is not about whats better, its about when we will move on for the sake of the 73 that want the scheme in ;)
roks post seems pretty fair, but still waiting to hear from MI.
To be fairly honest, if this was a proper vote, it shouldn't even be worth it unless EVERYONE votes, and there are hundreds apon hundreds of players, so 128 votes, isn't anywhere near a perfect count.
I voted no because I do not want 2 seperate roper schemes, there should only be one, now if the option was Should w2Roper replace the original Roper scheme on TuS? Then perhaps I might have voted yes...
73 people? Please... Not even close to being worthy enough.
lol, there will not be added w2roper scheme to classic league
that's the same idiotic thing like 7 girders added to t17 scheme
for what changes scheme which is here for long long years, even bofore I first time joined wn, if you are gonna destroy it, create your own w2 league, and play worms2 instead of w:a
57% is not enough, but I'm still surprised that 73 ppl voted for yes... I feel some cheat here. There was poll about karma system, where almost 50% wanted any change, there was nothing. So next time get 95% of votes or make own league like freestyle bng ROFL (but from other site it's not best option too, because it seperates worms world... I mean players)
I played few times in my life in this scheme and I didn't like it, even if I don't like much classic roper scheme too. I voted NO ofc
when i first started playing w2.. it was 15 second roping too... shortly after people learned to shadow, it evolved... lmfao...
another important reason it was 15 second turn time, is because b4 S*natch made the w2 patch, there was only 9 rope swings per turn!! so u would either have to use long strides of rope, or after getting cr8.. drop down, and re-fire rope b4 u go to attack...
so yea, the scheme has been around on w:a for a long time sure... but unless u guys cant shadow, or only have 9 repeat swings, there is no reason for 15 second turn time...
but anyways, this debate is not about if u guys like the scheme or not, that was the other thread, ur a day late, and a dollar short...
this thread is about when i will be able to pick w2roper scheme, majority voted yes.
you will not be able to pick it because it won't be in classic schemes...
W2Roper (which I voted yes to) is like a fetus now. Although some of you have worked hard to spread the word about it, but many parts of the community haven't tried it yet.
So as the poll stated in the first place too, it will be a second choice to the classic roper MEANING upon agreement 2 players can pick this scheme and report it as Roper. If someone disagrees with the w2roper, then the classic Roper scheme must be played.
As time passes, we'll have more clear image of w2roper and its role may change in the league.
Quote from: Rok on August 01, 2010, 08:36 AM
Whatever happens, it won't happen before the next season/league update. That's at least
17 days from this moment on.
This.
how will it ever change? the people that dont want to give it a try will never give it a try... ur giving the lesser majority power over the higher majority? what are we a bunch of n@#!!!s? wtf?!! BULLSHIT!
i understand your trying to be fair to everyone here MI.. but ur fairness (although probably unintentional) is leaning towards the "no" votes, and that is just bullshit...
if 2 players want to play snipers shotgun game, and report it was a t17, as long as THEY agree on it, what the f@#! is the difference, its their choice!! *cough* like when me and dibz played w2roper, both agreeing on it, and accepting it yet got warned... that was also bullshit...
its just all bullshit.. bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
Quote from: avirex on August 01, 2010, 02:39 PM
if 2 players want to play snipers shotgun game, and report it was a t17, as long as THEY agree on it, what the f@#! is the difference, its their choice!! *cough* like when me and dibz played w2roper, both agreeing on it, and accepting it yet got warned... that was also bullshit...
Spain and Netherlands in world cup final could agree on using their hands in the game right? or maybe punch each other in the face? It was their final game, their decision? no! It is still football and it is still a WC game, running by FIFA.
It is still a Roper game, running by TUS.
Trust me, you don't want the other way around. If a system validate a scheme, it gives credit to it. A league which people play "our agreement, our rules, our schemes" creates a big mess and kills any credit/honor a scheme could have.
I agree with komo!! All the roper maps 8-9 years ago were so much easier and all the top ropers still dominated them. Gundam used to be used in clanners by HoS and TEA and what not and other map packs were too hard as the super evil ones you have today! I have a nice map pack of maps were you don't get many impossible cr8s if anyone is interested! It reduces cr8 luck and focus's on consistency of attacking EVERY turn.
so, instead of evolving... we want to go backwards? lol...
cr8 rape is a problem.... and yes, komo has a good solution... sure...
but what do you think is better for a highly skilled community, downgrading the maps we play on, or upgrading the sets? lol
These maps you speak of... if you can honestly be tucked inside one island and be able to get a crate tucked inside the other island and attack, then that map sounds like some piece of kiddy shit shoppa noobs would rope on. Sounds incredibly dull tbh
I don't quite mean as easy as Gundam lol, but still, you get my point, and Shy, if there is ANY crate on a map you cannot collect and attack with, then whats the point?
Exactly, which is why we have w2roper :p
next season lets just put w2roper on the league, the person who is picking roper gets their choice...
i dont see why people say its stupid to have 2 roper schemes... why is it stupid? adjust to it...
im sure that with in time everyone will be playing w2roper scheme anyway.. its just gonna take time, but no1s gonna pick standard rope soon.. i just know it... I KNOW IT!! ...
well unless they feel they wont win vs a player, then they may pick cr8 rules to possible have a chance.. other then that, all the higher skilled players will pick w2 roper
Quote from: avirex on August 02, 2010, 12:49 AM
i dont see why people say its stupid to have 2 roper schemes... why is it stupid? adjust to it...
For the same reason there's only one set of rules to each and every sport.
You can't seriously expect a scheme to be added to the league as a standard only 2 weeks after suggesting using it. Hysteria was added after it became popular for quite some time (at least a year)
I voted yes, but I think both players should have to agree, until the scheme becomes more mature..
Quote from: ShyGuy on August 01, 2010, 11:56 PM
Exactly, which is why we have w2roper :p
I was referring to using better maps, not evil maps.
Quote from: DarkOne on August 02, 2010, 05:02 AM
Quote from: avirex on August 02, 2010, 12:49 AM
i dont see why people say its stupid to have 2 roper schemes... why is it stupid? adjust to it...
For the same reason there's only one set of rules to each and every sport.
You can't seriously expect a scheme to be added to the league as a standard only 2 weeks after suggesting using it. Hysteria was added after it became popular for quite some time (at least a year)
why cant i expect it? there are more votes to have it added, then not.... of course i expect it
Why has the poll disappeared from the main page?
Because the poll is over, and w2roper is now in tus.
I don't see it among the pickable schemes...
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on August 19, 2010, 09:07 AM
We've talked about W2roper scheme, In this new season we'll try W2rope scheme as a second choice to classic roper to see how the results will turn out. Upon any kind of disagreement the classic roper scheme must be played. , you cannot force players to pick W2Roper.
Quote from: MonkeyIsland on August 19, 2010, 09:07 AM
Upon any kind of disagreement the classic roper scheme must be played. , you cannot force players to pick W2Roper.
So if you choose to pick w2 roper, your opponants don't have to play the w2 scheme?
I think you mean "you cannot force players to
play W2Roper".
Personally I feel that if you pick w2roper your opponants must play with the w2 scheme. Otherwise people who haven't ever tried the scheme are never going to, if all they have to do is refuse to play it. Which in the long run is a bad thing, imo.
thats exactly what is going to happen... the people that voted no with no reason other then ... either dont like me... dont like ropers... or dont like change... they will NEVER try this scheme, just always refuse.. but whatever
Quote from: NAiL on August 21, 2010, 09:54 PMOtherwise people who haven't ever tried the scheme are never going to, if all they have to do is refuse to play it.
What exactly is wrong with this? The people that voted No, voted No for the reason that they wouldn't BE forced to play w2Roper when they are perfectly happy with the normal Roper scheme, forcing people to play things is honestly in my opinion the bad thing, having a choice is always better, at least you got w2Roper on TuS, so people that like it, can play it amongst themselves, it's better than nothing so be happy with it...
Quote from: avirex on August 21, 2010, 10:00 PM
thats exactly what is going to happen... the people that voted no with no reason other then ... either dont like me... dont like ropers... or dont like change... they will NEVER try this scheme, just always refuse.. but whatever
I voted no, I like you, I like ropers and I love changes + I know how w2ropers are because I have played them a lot on w2. BnG with LG and all that shit I loved it. Removing cr8s from elite, good thing. And even my clan history proves I like change. So why, in your opinion, have I voted no? I could tell you exactly why, but I wanna know why you think people vote no except these strange reasons you posted. :)
anubis, ur a newb to this thread.. so u have no idea what has gone on here...
komo, ur so narrow minded its not even funny...
anubis, u voted no because ur eating komo's shorts with the opinion we should not upgrade the scheme, we should downgrade the maps.
Can you stop this "everybody-is-an-idiot-but-I-am-king" attitude? It's getting on my nerves.
Nobody is saying to "downgrade" (lol) the maps, but to "SIMPLIFY" them. Or do ridiculously impossible maps count as higher grade maps nowadays?
see newbs.....kay vote no too ;P
rofl!!!
CMV< ur an idiot :D
You have said this before.
Quote from: avirex on August 22, 2010, 12:41 PM
komo, ur so narrow minded its not even funny...
How the hell is my last post narrow minded? Seriously, tell me?
You are just being stubborn and look annoyed because you didn't get what you wanted, and because you can't force your opponent to play your scheme you've spat the dummy...
I have been posting my opinions in a very fashionable manner recently even stating that it's an opinion and yet you still decide to make comments like this towards me JUST because I have my own opinion and as do others? And just a month or so ago you were telling me on MSN that I was being a twat? Think about it...
More people voted No, even the fact that more than 80 people voted no, and quite alot of these players are actually good ropers or used to be, or at least has SOME idea of what is going on, kinda makes me think you are just pissed off because everyone didn't agree, like I said before, be happy that you got what you got, at least you got something ok?
u said stuff like "anubis is right" only cuz he agreed with ur opinion.. and other shits.. but im dont talking about it...
i now have seen the light, ur both right.. lets just play every roper on gundam map.. anyone know where i can DL it please?
and komo, when i told you that u were being a twat, i was not lieing.. thats whats friends are for :) i noticed u have slightly changed ;P
Quote from: avirex on August 23, 2010, 10:26 AM
u said stuff like "anubis is right" only cuz he agreed with ur opinion.. and other shits.. but im dont talking about it...
i now have seen the light, ur both right.. lets just play every roper on gundam map.. anyone know where i can DL it please?
and komo, when i told you that u were being a twat, i was not lieing.. thats whats friends are for :) i noticed u have slightly changed ;P
What the hell happened to your spelling? You don't talk like this...
its me. lol whats wrong?
Quote from: avirex on August 23, 2010, 10:26 AM
i now have seen the light, ur both right.. lets just play every roper on gundam map.. anyone know where i can DL it please?
lol I had to laugh when I read that. xD
lol ty! meant more to be funny then to piss people off.. but i guess i do see where ppl get heated with me :) hahah either way i get a slightly good laugh
well basically you are just creating a new scheme, this scheme has nothing to do with the worms2 roper scheme except that its a nice way of marketing your scheme. You could call it different but yeh, that's about it.
For people that are not used to worms2 here you got a link of the main league, there is not much left but yeh, u can take a look into the rules/scheme of the current w2 roper and how its been played. Link: www.igl.net/worms2r (http://www.igl.net/worms2r)
But I more noticed that avi is more complaining about the way you will lose a roper because you can get those hard crates. I think creating a new scheme isnt the solution for all of this. I'm more thinking of some group of players who select which maps for TUS are 'allowed' to play on. This way you might get a database with hunderds of map. people who wanna pick a map which isn't allowed yet could simply post it. So u could select a maximum difficulty for the maps. ofcourse there still should be maps with crates which are like 'piew, I need a good run for that' but that's because they are still possible but I agree that we should skip the mission impossible maps. (Tho, I dont see a lot of players play on them). That's kinda all what came up my mind. Maybe its an idea.
I don't like that idea Unique, that takes away the freedom and fun of every game being random, I don't mind if people pick the same map over and over, but as long as it's their free choice...
Yeh I dont like that idea as well since I dont have problems with a maps. But I would prefer 'that' above a new scheme. I just thought about it because this would take the problem away but it would be crazy if you can't even draw a random roper map anymore. Do I speak against myself now? ah well, I just thought about it and posted it. ;D
The scheme is shit, make it a proper w2 roper scheme
why dont you
Bitching about it is easier.