The Ultimate Site of Worms Armageddon
Leagues => Leagues General => Topic started by: Chicken23 on June 26, 2022, 11:09 PM
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So Zalo challenged me to Island Team17s. After wanting to play him again as he is a skilful opponent, I mentioned to KRD if he could keep an eye on the twitch channel where I stream all my competitive games. I had a feeling he might stream snipe me as his previous attiude and behaviour towards others in the league and on TUS forums made me not trust him.
KRD has logs that zalo joined my stream in the 2nd round (1st match was a draw) for 4 mins. I've shared these logs below. Throughout my streams i'm always opening and closing my inventory and talking tactics and commenting on the cr8s I collect. If my opponent was watching and listening this would be a huge advantage. The second round was a close round which he just about won.
KRD asked me to go on discord after this match ended and informed me of Zalo joining the twitch chat and has evidence in the log. I was thrown off by this and wasn't sure if i should stop of play on but decided to play on and not say anything. He then joined the 3rd match briefly as well.
I realise I stream my league games at my own risk. But I do know its really unsporting and cheating if Zalo decided to watch my stream.
I decide to stream to promote the worms community and competitive games, its a shame that some players would choose to take advantage and abuse what i'm doing for the community.
I cannot say for certain if this is the case, but why would you even join and watch Zalo?
Session Start: Sun Jun 26 23:32:11 2022
Session Ident: #chicken23_ckc
[2022-06-26 23:32:11] * Now talking in #chicken23_ckc
[2022-06-26 23:32:35] <nogarddernaerok> Ah hey Tom, I'm back now.
[2022-06-26 23:33:14] <nogarddernaerok> Got the stream up on PC and on mobile now.
[2022-06-26 23:33:35] <nogarddernaerok> If you wanna try the prediction poll thingies, I guess after this round?
[2022-06-26 23:36:55] <komito8220> Yeah the predictions and polls are nice
[2022-06-26 23:37:17] <nogarddernaerok> You're supposed to close them before a round starts, tho. LUL
[2022-06-26 23:37:23] <nogarddernaerok> Not 2 minutes in!
[2022-06-26 23:37:51] <komito8220> Close them before a round starts? I didn't know you could see the future LUL
[2022-06-26 23:38:22] <nogarddernaerok> That's the point, haha. That's how betting works!
[2022-06-26 23:38:34] <komito8220> You can choose the time they stay up for btw
[2022-06-26 23:38:39] <komito8220> 2/5/10/30 etc
[2022-06-26 23:38:40] <nogarddernaerok> You're supposed to... just know who's gonna be better on the day!
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[2022-06-26 23:40:05] <komito8220> I like to wait longer with Team17 cuz it's way more random than other schemes.
[2022-06-26 23:40:11] <komito8220> Especially not being able to see the weps they have
[2022-06-26 23:40:50] <nogarddernaerok> Yay for not being too defensive.
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[2022-06-26 23:41:07] <komito8220> Wow
[2022-06-26 23:41:11] <komito8220> Surprised you missed that lool
[2022-06-26 23:41:25] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah, better to go from above with those.
[2022-06-26 23:42:18] <nogarddernaerok> Let's find a triple here pls.
[2022-06-26 23:43:40] <mab1ak> ooh close one
[2022-06-26 23:43:46] <nogarddernaerok> Spicy endgame.
[2022-06-26 23:43:58] <komito8220> Could draw instead
[2022-06-26 23:44:19] <mab1ak> solid tie
[2022-06-26 23:44:21] <komito8220> Yes
[2022-06-26 23:44:22] <nogarddernaerok> I thought that was doable.
[2022-06-26 23:44:23] <komito8220> Exactly
[2022-06-26 23:44:28] <komito8220> Gj
[2022-06-26 23:44:35] <nogarddernaerok> But nicely done, ya.
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[2022-06-26 23:49:56] <gab_wa> ah yes
[2022-06-26 23:50:13] <nogarddernaerok> Very phew.
[2022-06-26 23:50:17] <nogarddernaerok> Hey Gab.
[2022-06-26 23:50:25] <nogarddernaerok> Hey djonga too.
[2022-06-26 23:50:25] <gab_wa> what up lads
[2022-06-26 23:50:29] <gab_wa> how is it going
[2022-06-26 23:50:32] <komito8220> Much pew, such phew
[2022-06-26 23:50:47] <komito8220> Sup gab
[2022-06-26 23:51:05] <gab_wa> taking breakfast, just woke up like an hour ago LUL
[2022-06-26 23:51:19] <komito8220> I'm about ready to sleep LUL
[2022-06-26 23:51:47] <gab_wa> i was just passing by, fellow wormers. time for me to depart
[2022-06-26 23:51:52] <gab_wa> see you around, best of lucks Pollo23
[2022-06-26 23:54:06] <nogarddernaerok> That's what I keep telling you guys, he can switch play styles on a whim!
[2022-06-26 23:54:18] <nogarddernaerok> He just doesn't always know when to switch back again. LUL
[2022-06-26 23:55:35] <komito8220> Zalo know what he's going :)
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[2022-06-27 00:02:56] <komito8220> G'nite, g'luck
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[2022-06-27 00:10:55] <nogarddernaerok> You'll be fine!
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[2022-06-27 00:13:29] <nogarddernaerok> I like that hide there.
[2022-06-27 00:13:38] <nogarddernaerok> Does he still have rope?
[2022-06-27 00:14:11] <mab1ak> flamethrower or mini, might push you through and you live
[2022-06-27 00:14:11] <nogarddernaerok> Right, I just saw.
[2022-06-27 00:14:25] <nogarddernaerok> Might be fine.
[2022-06-27 00:14:40] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah, he messed up.
[2022-06-27 00:14:42] <mab1ak> ahhhh really close
[2022-06-27 00:14:45] <nogarddernaerok> Ah, but not hard enough.
[2022-06-27 00:14:55] <nogarddernaerok> That flame throw needed a lot more wiggling to be safer.
[2022-06-27 00:15:05] <nogarddernaerok> Oh, Tom. Check Discord for a sec.
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[2022-06-27 00:23:46] <nogarddernaerok> No worries.
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[2022-06-27 00:40:57] <nogarddernaerok> It could also be nothing, yeah.
[2022-06-27 00:41:13] <nogarddernaerok> Might just be the way Twitch chat works, in a slightly broken way.
[2022-06-27 00:41:54] <nogarddernaerok> Nice!
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[2022-06-27 00:42:22] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah, it's totally fair to be careful for league matches.
[2022-06-27 00:42:35] <nogarddernaerok> It's tricky to set up a long enough stream delay for a scheme like T17, though.
[2022-06-27 00:42:46] <nogarddernaerok> Where a weapon picked up 20 minutes ago could get saved until the very end.
[2022-06-27 00:43:15] <nogarddernaerok> Exactly.
[2022-06-27 00:45:21] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah, I like getting that crate, not the other one.
[2022-06-27 00:46:18] <nogarddernaerok> Oh, that was weird.
[2022-06-27 00:46:31] <nogarddernaerok> Must have been worried the granny would climb over.
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[2022-06-27 00:50:30] <nogarddernaerok> Hahaha, no way.
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[2022-06-27 00:51:29] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah, I didn't like opening with the holy.
[2022-06-27 00:51:42] <nogarddernaerok> Ouch.
[2022-06-27 00:52:51] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah.
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https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-232635/
Time 5:31
Why would I squeeze myself into a tiny narrow hole with 86 hp right next to you if I knew that you had Minigun? ??? That wouldn't make any sense.
I don't know why you saw my account over there. It could have been my wife peeking at what I'm busy with in the evening, because she never watches my games longer than 3 minutes and in the same way she was watching my POs as well. I gave her my Twitch account so that she could moderate my stream titles from her smartphone in case I mess up something over there.
I also wanna know why you engaged in 3 games, without telling me that something is wrong, why you brought up those 3 min activities from your chatlog only after you have lost 2 games. You had 2 hours to bring this up, so why bring it up only at the end when it's convenient?
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ULTIMATE PROOF THAT IT WASN'T ME WHO WATCHED YOUR STREAM
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[2022-06-27 00:50:30] <nogarddernaerok> Hahaha, no way.
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[2022-06-27 00:51:29] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah, I didn't like opening with the holy.
[2022-06-27 00:51:42] <nogarddernaerok> Ouch.
[2022-06-27 00:52:51] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah.
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Your chatlog shows that since this message:
<nogarddernaerok> Hahaha, no way.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1515024496?t=01h42m10s (stream time 1:42:10)
there have been 13 seconds after which I supposedly joined your stream
If you actually see your own stream, that would have to happen in stream time 1:42:23
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1515024496?t=01h42m23s
which is impossible because it was exactly at the time when I was already inside of my own turn, making first moves with my worm. I began my turn in the 1st second as well. (Twitch streams show the situation from WA.exe with >5 seconds delay).
It was also exactly the same time of me messaging you in the game's chatlog saying "You will open me". And yet, why would I enter your stream during my finishing move??
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https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-232635/
In the same 3rd replay, 16:04 time
Why would I place my 66 hp worm at the very top of the map, despite having a bunker below me if I knew that you had Aqua Sheep? I exposed myself for an instant kill. I was confident you don't have aqua because I didn't see it when you were parachuting.
There are many examples in the other replays such as me rescuing my 46 hp worm just to be killed by you with mine in the next turn.
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is this the new WkCrateSpy coming out early?
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My dog stepped on a bee
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My dog stepped on a bee
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/040/432/beecover.jpg) :D :D
Poor dog if that really happened xD
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My dog stepped on a bee
I swear, I got stung by a wasp yesterday and my first thought was genuinely thank f**k I don't have a dog that stepped on a bee!
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No drama yet? This is so sad, worms is dying for real
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No drama yet? This is so sad, worms is dying for real
TUS has become a Safe Space.
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Zalo, the pro sniper, took a screenshot of Chicken's weapon panel in 3 minutes, and make excuses like "iT wAs mY WiFe!!!111". :D
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Zalo, the pro sniper, took a screenshot of Chicken's weapon panel in 3 minutes, and make excuses like "iT wAs mY WiFe!!!111". :D
If you assume that I knew his weapons, then most of my decisions wouldn't make any sense. I had ones of the most devastating deaths of my worms upon teleporting close to Chicken.
My wife has been present on every single stream that involved me, so that she could briefly support me there. In fact, she was present on every Twitch stream that I made on my channel when I streamed PS2 horror games in past 2 years. It doesn't mean that she can read the weapons or that she can stay attentive longer than 2-3 min. All she wants to know is if I am winning or losing.
(https://i.ibb.co/kcyFzKm/strim.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/xKkfsBT/strim2.png)
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Then dont stream a tus match if you got a prob with snipers
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Yea sure
Your wife watches the stream, but only 4 minutes at a time, then leaves it
Your wife texts you in english
You don’t use whatsapp (who the hell uses normal messages in 2022)
If you had said that your dog was watching the stream it would have been more believable
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has any of you ever seen a husband-wife chatlog (that share the same household!) where they call each other "baby" at the end of every sentence?
-Imma go out baby, be right back
-Where are you going baby?
-Gonna do the shopping baby.
-OK baby, take care.
of course this whole thing is very fishy all the way around, just wanted to point out this. XD I seriously never saw anything like this in my whole life, I knew some emotional loving girls, but this is totally absurd and total bs. :D this simply doesn't exist, especially between 2 married person. I think even amber heard herself has shown up better "proof" for the assumed "domestic violence" against Depp :D
if any of you married folks out there have a wife who you call baby at the end of every sentence in online messaging and she calls you back a babe, send me screenshots I need to see this exists :D it's not a cuck fantasy or anything, just want to understand :-[
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On the other hand you have to ask yourself, is Zalo really that dumb? I mean, you dont need an account to watch streams, so he could have just logged out, used another browser etc.
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love 4 zalo .. whats it all about chicken23 won all rounds
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Yea sure
Your wife watches the stream, but only 4 minutes at a time, then leaves it
Your wife texts you in english
You don’t use whatsapp (who the hell uses normal messages in 2022)
If you had said that your dog was watching the stream it would have been more believable
1. I would find it more strange that zalo is supposedly appearing for 3 min, and then appearing 1 hour later and makes some suicidal decisions in the game despite knowing of his weapons. I have nothing to hide. In the chatlog you can clearly see that the 3rd time my wife entered the stream was when Chicken was already defeated after my banana, after "Hahaha, No way" comment made by KRD. If I wanted to peek upon his weapons why would I not do it earlier, in those 20 minutes before? Why would I join the stream when the game has already ended?
2. She does so in countless Twitch streams on my channel as well. I don't have a Polish wife. Only Danie and Mazinger know where she comes from.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1244000069
3. I am incapable of using a smartphone in any comfortable way. Everything I do is 100.00% of time done on my laptop.
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https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-232635/
I don't know why you saw my account over there. It could have been my wife peeking at what I'm busy with in the evening, because she never watches my games longer than 3 minutes and in the same way she was watching my POs as well. I gave her my Twitch account so that she could moderate my stream titles from her smartphone in case I mess up something over there.
I also wanna know why you engaged in 3 games, without telling me that something is wrong, why you brought up those 3 min activities from your chatlog only after you have lost 2 games. You had 2 hours to bring this up, so why bring it up only at the end when it's convenient?
The first two rounds I had no idea your account had watched some of the stream. KRD told me to check discord after the 2nd round and informed me that your account has viewed the match for 4 mins during that round.
I wasn't sure if I should carry on the match and was tempted to not play the last 3rd round and end the stream but I didn't know (and still don't know) if you watched the stream or not to gain an advantage. You might have briefly checked it and then put a smart phone down on the side or anything.
I do find it strange that your saying it is your wife and she checks on you while playing worms. Therefore you must have told your wife you were playing worms and your opponent (me) is streaming the match. Then your wife would have gone and watched the stream like you said, she might have told you things about the match, she may not have said anything, I don't know if she was in the same room as you or maybe away out of the house. Only you know the truth.
You are a very competitive and well skilled player, I don't know if you're so competitive you'd do anything to gain the upper hand to potentially improve your league stats and decide to stream snipe or not. I hope you haven't, it does however look suspicious and i'll never stream a match playing you again.
I'm just disappointed that by trying to publicise and promote worms and competitive play and the skill levels of this community so other gamers, and potentially old wormers can see there is still a community, you might have taken advantage of that.
I'm not asking to have the games void, the aim of my post was to let you and the community know that you may have stream sniped to gain a competitive advantage over me and hope that you don't do it again or to other streamers, if you did.
You've made several examples of the games and your play to ask why you would have moved there, but we'd have to check the actual time of your watching in game as those moments your reference might not have been when your account was watching the match. Anyway, only you know the truth and I hope you haven't abused what I'm trying to do for the WA community just to improve you league stats.
See you in the league.
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ULTIMATE PROOF THAT IT WASN'T ME WHO WATCHED YOUR STREAM
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[2022-06-27 00:50:30] <nogarddernaerok> Hahaha, no way.
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[2022-06-27 00:51:29] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah, I didn't like opening with the holy.
[2022-06-27 00:51:42] <nogarddernaerok> Ouch.
[2022-06-27 00:52:51] <nogarddernaerok> Yeah.
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Your chatlog shows that since this message:
<nogarddernaerok> Hahaha, no way.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1515024496?t=01h42m10s (stream time 1:42:10)
there have been 13 seconds after which I supposedly joined your stream
If you actually see your own stream, that would have to happen in stream time 1:42:23
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1515024496?t=01h42m23s
which is impossible because it was exactly at the time when I was already inside of my own turn, making first moves with my worm. I began my turn in the 1st second as well. (Twitch streams show the situation from WA.exe with >5 seconds delay).
It was also exactly the same time of me messaging you in the game's chatlog saying "You will open me". And yet, why would I enter your stream during my finishing move??
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Just make an OBS overlay that blurs out weapon panel if you're so concerned about people stream sniping you.
Stream sniping in WA... :D :D
How low someone can get..it's a miracle!
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What's the concern here exactly? People can just watch stream without an account, right? You making a fuss just because you can prove he was watching the stream logged in? Lmao! :D :D
Isn't the stream delayed to prevent that?
Basically It's just another case of "it's ok to cheat as long as people doesn't find out" that was brought up in the wkWormOrder drama.. :D :D :D
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it was me, i hacked zalo's twitcher account and logged in, end of topic
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Zalo win XD
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stream sniping in worms? really? are we really that pathetic at this point?