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Title: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 01, 2011, 12:49 PM
Why is zippo in the playoffs?? played little this season a and so got, and the other players play more and not get, so that the game since the beginning of the league, and gathered up more points.
Almog also has a lot of points, played more this season and is not in the playoffs.
this is NOT FAIR!!!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: franz on March 01, 2011, 01:48 PM
playoffs/standings system changes tomorrow for future seasons, hopefully for better.

even still, zippo is a very good player, and # of games -> playing more games than anyone, does not mean you deserve a playoff spot more than anyone. (what if you play 200+ games vs very low ranked?)

under current system, zippo did enough to deserve a playoff spot because he has a very strong history in overall rating -> and he proved he can play 80+ games without dropping that overall rating.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 01, 2011, 02:06 PM
what is the whole statistics to current season. these players with a lot of points is a lot so why just zippo!!!
why a player who plays little play in playoff, and others (new players) although they have more from him this season did not play IS NOT FAIR!!!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: TitiO on March 01, 2011, 02:18 PM
lol franz.. u r a Zippo fan.. this is sux

1st one that i see saying it =P
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: franz on March 01, 2011, 02:27 PM
 :P titio, many actually think like I do, that zippo is a really good all-round player, but since his attitude annoys everyone.. no one wants to give him the respect he might deserve if he were less annoying.

BoNuS, the current season gives playoff spots like this:
#1 seed, #3 seed, #5 seed, #7 seed go to the top 4 in SEASON RATING
#2 seed, #4 seed, #6 seed, #8 seed go to the top 4 in OVERALL RATING

zippo has the highest overall rating and 80+ games, so he gets the #2 seed.

all this changes next season though -> new system.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: chakkman on March 01, 2011, 03:37 PM
what is the whole statistics to current season. these players with a lot of points is a lot so why just zippo!!!
why a player who plays little play in playoff, and others (new players) although they have more from him this season did not play IS NOT FAIR!!!
He reached the number of games required to be qualified for playing the po's, his win-loss ratio is 82.11% with 78 games won and 17 games lost, so why on earth wouldn't he deserve to be in the playoffs? The only thing that's bullshit is that he's ranked 16th in the seasonal standings, he should be way higher in the standings. But as franz said, the system will change and hopefully stuff like that won't happen with the new system.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: Random00 on March 01, 2011, 07:21 PM
He reached the number of games required to be qualified for playing the po's, his win-loss ratio is 82.11% with 78 games won and 17 games lost, so why on earth wouldn't he deserve to be in the playoffs?

because he proved in season 15 and season 16 that he doesnt care too much about playoffs at all.... I think there should be something done about this..
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: franz on March 01, 2011, 08:44 PM
He reached the number of games required to be qualified for playing the po's, his win-loss ratio is 82.11% with 78 games won and 17 games lost, so why on earth wouldn't he deserve to be in the playoffs?

because he proved in season 15 and season 16 that he doesnt care too much about playoffs at all.... I think there should be something done about this..

you know my opinion: 20 days per playoff round, absolutely no excuses allowed. kick out people wasting people's time. (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/poll-playoff-deadlines-worst-playoff-excuses/)
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: darKz on March 01, 2011, 08:59 PM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2epkpr8.png)

You get it now Bonus? You may be #2 this season, but you're a small fish in the overall standings. ;)
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: SPW on March 01, 2011, 09:26 PM
Moaning against Zippo doesnt mean you get automaticely applaud by everyone. In this case you are wrong Bonus. Read everything from franz or watch for the picture by darKz.

Zippo absolutely deserves that playoff spot.

btw: I wish Zippo good luck :)

Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: chakkman on March 01, 2011, 09:43 PM
you know my opinion: 20 days per playoff round, absolutely no excuses allowed. kick out people wasting people's time. (https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-general/poll-playoff-deadlines-worst-playoff-excuses/)

That's the right attitude. :)
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: Almog on March 01, 2011, 09:52 PM
what's the new system?
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: franz on March 01, 2011, 10:11 PM
what's the new system?

the foundation is similar: seasonal rating still resets to 1000. overall rating still carries over every season.

only now, your seasonal rating has the chance to jump much higher at season starts. your 1000 season rating acts like it's the only rating you have, and you gain points comparing that season rating vs your opponent's overall rating. likewise, your opponent's 1000 season rating acts alone, and they win/lose points comparing that season rating vs your own overall rating.

in this way, the overall rating acts only as a "skill meter." it determines how many points YOU win/lose from their overall rating, and it determines how many points THEY win/lose from your overall rating. so points won/lost on both sides will often not be the same amount. then behind all this, the overall rating goes up/down as normal as the current system we have now, so seasonal rating doesn't affect that change in overall rating.

not confusing I hope
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 09:20 AM
WTF why zippo is 2nd  and I am 3rd WTF f@#!ing skills.
this is the game of the season and not a general, You can lock me in the ass, I got it to the cheaters will not play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: TheKomodo on March 02, 2011, 09:22 AM
Bonus, YOU are 2nd in Seasonal (for that specific Season)

Zippo is 2nd Overall.

Do you understand the concept of Overall Ratings? They are MUCH more important than Seasonal.

In the past, Zippo was 1st/2nd for some Seasons when his Rating was very low, like yours, but because he has so many points for each scheme now, he wins less points, so either way, his rating/score for Overall AND Seasonal is still more impressive than yours.

Do you understand how Playoffs work and how they are seeded?

You should research this stuff and learn why things are the way they are...
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 09:37 AM
I see everyone is on his side that more seasons of the game than I do This has a greater respect. Everyone here to keep myself together so I can only write you in the ass to me and all other, f@#! your rules!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: TheKomodo on March 02, 2011, 09:41 AM
BoNuS, what is with the attitude?

1st of all, you complain that Zippo makes the Playoffs, you have no reason to complain about this and adding to this, you made the Playoffs yourself so what is the problem?

You are in Playoffs, why are you annoyed??

You are in Playoffs, why are you annoyed??

You are in Playoffs, why are you annoyed??

You are in Playoffs, why are you annoyed??

You are in Playoffs, why are you annoyed??

I said that 5 times, just to emphasize... And make sure you read it...

I will repeat my last post cuz it seems you didn't read it:

Quote from: Komito
Bonus, YOU are 2nd in Seasonal (for that specific Season)

Zippo is 2nd Overall.

Do you understand the concept of Overall Ratings? They are MUCH more important than Seasonal.

In the past, Zippo was 1st/2nd for some Seasons when his Rating was very low, like yours, but because he has so many points for each scheme now, he wins less points, so either way, his rating/score for Overall AND Seasonal is still more impressive than yours.

Do you understand how Playoffs work and how they are seeded?

You should research this stuff and learn why things are the way they are...
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 02, 2011, 10:03 AM
I see everyone is on his side

No, these were rules put in place way, WAY before anyone got this far.
The reason it's done like this is that the rating is continuous, which leads to 2 possible results:

1) It's hard to catch up with people who have a high rating. This is why seasonal ratings can qualify for the playoffs (and it's why YOU qualified for the playoffs). Komito already posted about this.

But if seasonal ratings are the way to qualify for playoffs, there follows 2) If you have a high rating (which you earned with great results), then it becomes harder and harder to get a good seasonal rating. This is why the overall rating is a way to qualify for the playoffs.

The playoffs are there to determine who was the best player that season. This could be 1) the person with the highest overall rating or 2) the person with the highest seasonal rating (ie, a very talented player who just hasn't been playing TUS long enough to have the highest overall score).

Bonus, can you bring up a good reason why Zippo shouldn't be in the playoffs taking into account what we've all been telling you?
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 10:09 AM
And why does everyone play on the two spaces, why it is legal others play a single space so why They play the two spaces!!! I demand that everyone had an equal chance and played a single space.
So why this cheat is allowed!!! As the bike can win the driver Please prohibit the use of two spaces!!!
I send this post to administrator that dealt with the case! Why others can cheat!!!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: Rodent on March 02, 2011, 10:18 AM
lol... now this topic about zippo gonna turn into topic about 2 space roping? :D

It's getting funnier and funnier :)
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: MonkeyIsland on March 02, 2011, 10:26 AM
Anyway reasons being said aside, from new season, the 8 top in seasonal points will qualify.
Who uses 2-space and why you think it is cheating? Using a program to tap sure is cheat and we ban players for that. But using 2-spaces is just a style of roping.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: TheKomodo on March 02, 2011, 10:30 AM
As the bike can win the driver Please prohibit the use of two spaces!!!

Should I be on drugs or something?

What bike?!? And who the hells driving what?!!

Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 10:57 AM
I see that whatever I say and so you have me in the ass, everyone supports each.
I see that you monkeyisland a cheat so do not talk to you.
it's all one big CHEAT!!! if the administrator is cheating (playing with two spaces) the others too, and so we are holding the family together and cheating!!!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: TheKomodo on March 02, 2011, 10:58 AM
Actually, has someone hacked his account? This guy doesn't act like this on Wnet when I played him...
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 11:03 AM
Now yet let me banned! and show you how to Cossack who writes the truth. Because no one dared to write about it.  shut my mouth and banned me!!!! because the truth is that all you have robbed as soon as you can.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: MonkeyIsland on March 02, 2011, 11:25 AM
BoNuS maybe you are reading our English badly? I myself use 1-space. I don't feel comfortable using 2-spaces.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 02, 2011, 11:35 AM
We don't base our decisions on who is complaining, we base our decision on the situation.
If you accuse someone, you should back it up, Bonus. People who just throw around accusations and scream out loud whatever comes to their mind are just doing the same as this guy:
(http://students.ou.edu/T/Bruce.S.Townsend-1/End-is-near-785574.jpg)

Don't be one of those :(

And if there's a problem in communication, ask someone who speaks polish and english to translate for you.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 11:56 AM
Now it's exaggerated! Treat me like a idiot, my opinion is not important, I'll tell you anything, and so you have it in the ass, There is not policy, everything you write and so do not do this.
I say the last word: THEY ALL CHEAT and no one will do nothing, and it has to be equality between the players, only respects his colleagues. So have fun more crooks!!!
and I understand what you write, only you do not understand me, EVERY everyone, even cheating but who is going against his colleague.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 02, 2011, 12:59 PM
I was asking you for one thing:
Why do you think Zippo shouldn't be in playoffs.
Why do you think there are cheaters here.
You're not answering these questions. In fact, you're just calling us crooks.
You're even calling MI (One of the most respected wormers around, mind you! He doesn't even mind losing if it's a deserved loss.) a cheater and when he politely replies he prefers 1 space, you don't apologize, you just keep on calling us crooks.
Do you treat people like this in real life as well?

As for the 2-spaces: There are keyboards for sale that actually have 2 space bars. Should we ban them for that? Should we also ban people with bigger screens who can have bigger resolutions? Should we ban people who can host? (after all, they have an advantage over people who can't host!). Perhaps we should ban people who never have screenlag during games.
And even after that, how will you know who has 2 space bars?

Think about it.

We value opinions, but only if you back it up. Example:

Quote from: Bad opinion
Kick DarkOne out of the playoffs because he sucks!

Quote from: Good opinion
Kick DarkOne out of the playoffs because he's not trying to find his opponent, doesn't respond to personal messages on TUS and he's not in AG or on messengers.

Both are asking for the same thing, but the second one backs it up.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 01:20 PM
as I wrote, whatever you write, and so do not do this! All the rules are for YOUR ALL benefit.
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Why do you think Zippo shouldn't be in playoffs.
Because the other players more deserving than him! played enough matches, have played as many, and got to the playoff why? have 80% game won? so WTF!?!?!?!

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Why do you think there are cheaters here.
as the topic it's not fair! so if I had raced on a bike the ferrari!
2 spaces in the cheat Such is my opinion! but like all your colleagues as they play This you does not forbid this. why do not you do Voting to find out whether the two spaces is a scam or not!
but as usual you have somewhere to my mind because who would obey such a bonus!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 01:27 PM
LOOK ALL These are the new rules tus:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQGYl_Z3tAPNTLiWFbQGMbpyREqn5efzSzsg50ch48EP1jDgXJv3ks6w)
 hmm who winner? if you think that two spaces are fair to not have something to talk about!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: rU` on March 02, 2011, 01:38 PM
L.M.A.O. POLISH REVOLUTION!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 02, 2011, 01:50 PM
As for the 2-spaces: There are keyboards for sale that actually have 2 space bars. Should we ban them for that? Should we also ban people with bigger screens who can have bigger resolutions? Should we ban people who can host? (after all, they have an advantage over people who can't host!). Perhaps we should ban people who never have screenlag during games.
And even after that, how will you know who has 2 space bars?

Please answer these questions (all of them). Then let me know how you're going to prove whether I have 1 or 2 space bars.
Are you asking for us to do something or do you just want to complain? If you want us to do something, I have no idea what exactly it is you want us to do (or more importantly, how)

Because the other players more deserving than him! played enough matches, have played as many, and got to the playoff why? have 80% game won? so WTF!?!?!?!

Alright then:
1) who deserves getting into playoffs more than Zippo and why.
2) 80% winning percentage is HUGE. I'll give you a few examples from chess.

Anand Viswanathan is now the #1 in the world. His results: 46 wins, 121 draws, 13 losses, which is 59.2%
Magnus Carlsen is now the #2 in the world. His results: 111 wins, 176 draws, 43 losses. That's 60.4%
Levon Aronion, #3 in the world. His results: 81 wins, 179 draws, 36 losses. That's 57.6%

Even when you're not counting the draws, it's 77.9%, 72,0% and 69.2% respectively. Only Anand gets close to 80% and he's the #1 in the world and reigning world champion.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: HHC on March 02, 2011, 01:56 PM
You can't check if someone has 2 spaces or just 1.

Also, my keyboard is absolute crap, it has key lock, bad response and a very bad spacebar for tapping. Do I care? No.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: Rodent on March 02, 2011, 02:14 PM
Bonus, I can win "ferrari" with "bicycle" . Why? Because in this case it is not big deal. It's true that fr is little advantage, but if you care so much about that start using it.


You are asking anyone to quit their style of playing... from my point of view that is not fair and that should be forbidden in any game.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: Csongi on March 02, 2011, 02:28 PM
Bonus,let's drop this pathetic topic and let's play our po's  ;)
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: NAiL on March 02, 2011, 02:50 PM
I still dont think anyone explained to him how the PO system works (or used to work).

Spot 1 goes to highest seasonal

Spot 2 goes to highest overall

Spot 3 goes to 2nd highest seasonal

Spot 4 goes to 2nd highest overall

Spot 5 goes to 3rd highest seasonal

Spot 6 goes to 3rd highest overall

Spot 7 goes to 4th highest seasonal

Spot 8 goes to 4th highest overall

From now on its all seasonal though.

I dont think his english is good enough to understand.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 03:37 PM
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I dont think his english is good enough to understand.
I understand more than you think, All me have too idiot. and the truth is that whatever I will not tell you and so you do not care.
Quote
Are you asking for us to do something or do you just want to complain? If you want us to do something, I have no idea what exactly it is you want us to do (or more importantly, how)
Exactly nothing you can not do, I've already written what I think but still tomorrow forget all about it so injury me nerves.
End of the topic!
play just as you like, and I still know that a playoff is not fair!!!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: angus on March 02, 2011, 03:39 PM
Wtf are you saying, bonus. ?
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 03:42 PM
about the fact that all of us here are playing on their terms and have a ass what you say
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 02, 2011, 05:25 PM
Please ask someone polish to translate for you, because google translator sucks.

Also, you completely forgot to answer any of our questions. If you want anything to happen, you should answer them.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 02, 2011, 06:57 PM
Why do you think Zippo shouldn't be in playoffs.
Because the other players more deserving than him! played enough matches, have played as many, and got to the playoff why? have 80% game won? so WTF!?!?!?!


Cytuj
Why do you think there are cheaters here.
as the topic it's not fair! so if I had raced on a bike the ferrari!
2 spaces in the cheat Such is my opinion! but like all your colleagues as they play This you does not forbid this. why do not you do Voting to find out whether the two spaces is a scam or not!
but as usual you have somewhere to my mind because who would obey such a bonus!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: NinjaCamel on March 02, 2011, 08:22 PM
dunno but this topic ownz!!!!!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 02, 2011, 09:03 PM
Could one of our polish members please explain to him what he's supposed to do here?
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: Dulek on March 02, 2011, 11:04 PM
Bonus, mistrzu, nie dość, że ciągle powtarzasz jeden i ten sam argument, który praktycznie nie jest argumentem, bo to jedynie Twoje puste opinie, to jeszcze robisz burdel na forum. Zippo zasługuje na miejsce w PO, ponieważ z jego punkty overall są bardzo wysokie i w systemie TUS (tym starym) overall > seasonal. Wrzuć na luz i nie siej lipy, ciesz się ze swojego miejsca w PO. Już prędzej Ty nie powinieneś być w PO z powodu łatwości, z jaką zdobywałeś punkty - zaczynałeś od 0, gdzie reszta już otrzymywała dużo mniejsze punkty ze względu na ich wysoki overall score. Takim przykładem jest Zippo, który jednak mimo to utrzymał się w czołówce zdobywając niejednokrotnie śmieszne punkty porównując do Twoich. Odpowiedź sobie w takim razie sam - kto bardziej zasługuje na miejsce w PO, Ty, on on?

A co do fr na dwóch spacjach - znów mówisz, że to Twoja opinia i wyłącznie Twoja, ale żądasz banów za to i sam wyzywasz MI od cheaterów. Nie, tak do niczego nie dojdziesz - zacznij mówić z sensem i poprzyj to sensownymi argumentami, bo póki co mówisz, że 'nie bo nie i już, ja mam rację'. Sam nie chcę się wtrącać w dyskusję na ten temat.

I just translated what you guys were trying to say, hopefully he will more likely adapt to his own language. And please don't bitch me for talking in polish! :)
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 03, 2011, 12:24 AM
OMG ENGLISH ONLY IN PUBLIC PLACES
Thank you for translating :) +1 from me
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: TheKomodo on March 03, 2011, 07:35 AM
Why do you think Zippo shouldn't be in playoffs.
Because the other players more deserving than him! played enough matches, have played as many, and got to the playoff why? have 80% game won? so WTF!?!?!?!

Other players are not "more" deserving, ANYONE deserves to be in the Playoffs if they reach the requirements.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 03, 2011, 09:12 AM
As seen you all are one big happy family. Have yourself.
write enough, I DO NOT AGREE THE RULES!

Dulek nie jestem idiotą wiem co piszą nie potrzebuje tłumacza, jak jesteś po ich stronie to sobie bądz, bo nie widzisz że wszystkie zasady są ustawione na korzyść graczy pro i mam te zasady w dupie. Pierdolić wasze zasady!

END TOPIC!
F..k your rules!
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: TheKomodo on March 03, 2011, 10:01 AM
Bonus, the rules are good, YOU being a prick is the problem.

You are not even weird now, you are just a pure twat.

Sorry D1/MI, it had to be said...
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 03, 2011, 11:14 AM
I guess he prefers anarchy :)
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: Dulek on March 03, 2011, 01:53 PM
nie widzisz że wszystkie zasady są ustawione na korzyść graczy pro

He said that all the TUS rules are beneficial for pro players only and they don't support newbies.

No shit man! ;O Playoffs are events where only bestest of the best meet to play against eachother so I find it very ridiculous what you've said.
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 03, 2011, 02:01 PM
Yeah, that's why I asked who he thought qualified for playoffs and why :) He couldn't think of an answer
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: MonkeyIsland on March 03, 2011, 07:59 PM
I think he still doesn't get the concept of the previous system. Would be good to explain him, but it seems he really wants to have sex with TUS rules ;)
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: SPW on March 03, 2011, 08:09 PM
A bunch of wasting time, thats all I can say to this thread. ;d

Bonus, the rules are good, YOU being a prick is the problem.

You are not even weird now, you are just a pure twat.

Komo is right and I dont like this xD
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: BoNuS on March 04, 2011, 10:13 AM
Komito I had you a good player and a guy.
but it:
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YOU being a prick is the problem.
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you are just a pure twat.

lost respect for me, you are a fag and yet the word is a way to talk!
(https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/Themes/default/images/warnwarn.gif) Insulting people...
Title: Re: playoff is not fair!!!
Post by: DarkOne on March 04, 2011, 11:06 AM
If you just want to insult everybody, go to /b. A green little dot next to your name is the least you deserve for your appalling behaviour here.
You could've tried answering our questions instead of calling everybody names who disagrees with you.

(http://cdn-forum.i-culture.nl/images/statusicon/thread_lock.gif)