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Leagues => Leagues Playoffs => Topic started by: TheWalrus on April 15, 2014, 03:12 PM
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About clanners, I have a question.
Some p3's results were:
vs l3x: 18-7
vs TdC: 22-12
And TaG's:
vs l3x: 17-13
vs TdC: 2-0
p3 and TaG reached the 50%, so they both reached the PO.
l3x and TdC didn't reach the 50% according to the TUS rules in order to qualify to PO.
If l3x wouldn't lost 4 games, let's say 4 vs TaG or vs p3, they would reach that minimum of 50%. They had a 52-60 record, and they finished in 2d place at season ranking.
If TdC wouldn't lost 2 games, let's say 2 vs TaG or p3, they would reach that minimum of 50%. They had a 41-45 record, and they finished in 4th place at season ranking.
If p3 and TaG wouldn't beat TdC and l3x in 4 and 2 games respectively, the PO wouldn't be cancelled. So the actual PO TUS rules are saying that we had to lose against them, let's say, giving some points to help them to qualify? There was only 13 (and basically only 10 clans played more than 6 games) clans playing on this season, so it's too hard that 4 clans can reach the 50% PLUS 70 games played in a season. So, what's the point on requiring a minimum of 50%, to punish two clans that defeated too much their opponents by cancelling a PO? or forcing to the rest of clans to be better, to lose less or to search for "easy-wins" clanners? In next season, we and p3 or any other clan that want to play PO, will have to see if we NEED to lose some games or not. This rules aren't helping with the competitiveness at all.
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am okay with this ! 8)
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you call giving out freewins after the season is done in order to fix winning percentages competetive? funny ;D
why dont you just make a final p3 vs tag, would be the easiest and most fair solution. or erase the 50% rule, but fixing games after the season is done sucks.
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you call giving out freewins after the season is done in order to fix winning percentages competetive? funny ;D
why dont you just make a final p3 vs tag, would be the easiest and most fair solution. or erase the 50% rule, but fixing games after the season is done sucks.
srsly? p3 vs tag? how boring is that man, just two clans playing for the first place of the whole season, and just because we didnt play enough games? you rly prefer that man? I was inactive this season so were several of my clanmates, but we never loss activity afterall. What can be wrong in giving out some games so we have a real playoff match?, it'll be more fun than just p3 vs tag isnt it.
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Personally i believe you need 50% win rate to make playoffs. IF only too clans made the requirements should just be 1 round for gold and silver trophies.
Clans should look to improve their winning ratios in order to make playoffs. Decide how you clan, who you recruit, who you boot and maybe think about the amount of members that are in certain clans.
If clans arn't making enough games, reduce the number of games to reach clanners. This would encourage clans with fewer members to play because they could make the minimum game requirements and still have a winning percentage of over 50%. This is how CF qualified for years.
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im not sure TAG, and p3 should be penalized because everyone else sucked this season...
TAG, and p3 both had enough games played, and 50% + i think?
they should play for the gold...
i dont think free wins should be given out, and i dont think that the 50% rule should be terminated... if a clan cant get atleast 50% wins, they dont deserve the be in playoffs... (i THINK i can say this without being bashed, because dt did not get 50% either)
i dont think reducing the games needed would be a good idea either.... i think it was just a slow season, alot of people/clans were inactive, and rusty....
everyone will bounce back soon... but again, i dont think p3 or TAG should be penalized for this... after all, (THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, i REPEAT... THIS IS JUST MY OPINION :DDDDD) they would most likely meet in the finals anyway.
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This is possible to reconsider the PO of a season. For example I can tell it to consider 40% as requirement. But I'm not sure if we should do that. Anyone up to push me? 8)
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ok for me, MI :)
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i think that 45% is more competitive, but 50% is much for 5 or 7 active clans
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a straight tag vs p3 final would make p3 the first clan beeing in 2 finals, despite they never won a single playoff game in their history. if l3x is allowed to play, it would be a hilarious tribute to the continuous first round suckage of the atlanta hawks. if we cancel the playoffs, it would show how absurd this league has become. each of these options makes me laugh a lot tbh.
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a straight tag vs p3 final would make p3 the first clan beeing in 2 finals, despite they never won a single playoff game in their history. if l3x is allowed to play, it would be a hilarious tribute to the continuous first round suckage of the atlanta hawks. if we cancel the playoffs, it would show how absurd this league has become. each of these options makes me laugh a lot tbh.
What do you suggest?
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a simple matter of demand and supply.
demand lacks, supply is huge. lets cut down the supply and make longer seasons. clans like l3x could cover inactive periods. and maybe playoffs will be more worthy if you have to put effort over a longer time than just 2 months.
for this situation twy is right, wouldnt be fair to punish tag and p3 so let them play for gold. l3x and dt didint even try to fix their ratio late in season. i dont think something like this should be rewarded. but if mi thinks its better to weaken up the winning ratio rule in order to keep playoffs alive its understandable. but this would be rather contraproductive for the future in my eyes.
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a simple matter of demand and supply.
demand lacks, supply is huge. lets cut down the supply and make longer seasons. clans like l3x could cover inactive periods. and maybe playoffs will be more worthy if you have to put effort over a longer time than just 2 months.
for this situation twy is right, wouldnt be fair to punish tag and p3 so let them play for gold. l3x and dt didint even try to fix their ratio late in season. i dont think something like this should be rewarded. but if mi thinks its better to weaken up the winning ratio rule in order to keep playoffs alive its understandable. but this would be rather contraproductive for the future in my eyes.
Werent u telling me that u wanted it to be top 4?
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Having clan around <50% is good in my opinion. It means there are no clan who take the upper hand which makes PO less predictive since all clan are around same level. We don't have enough activity anymore to get more than 4 clan with 50+% ratio that take the upper hand. I'd say 40% for next season is good. It'll also promote clan who believe are less skilled to play more because it is easier to reach 40%.
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I disagree. It is up to clan leaders to manage their clans and select their roasters to come up with squads that they believe will qualify them for playoffs. 50% is a must.
It seems like common sense to just have a final of p3 and tag. If only 2 clan made it then its just a case of a final and no semi finals. If everyone but p3 had less than 50% and didn't make 70 games then p3 would be awarded the gold medal.
p3 and tag should play a game for gold and silver and be added to hall of fame. Its just a straight bye for both in semi finals?
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lets agree to desegree !! :)))) muahua xd
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So, what will happen?
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am i the only one who already played single PO?
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guys, i thnk the decision has already been made...
and i think what MI is saying, is that it will disrupt things in the coding, and history of tus, if he bypassed the rules that were already pre-set...
but im not sure, his post was not very clear....
at first i was leaning more towards what chicken said.. but now im thinking maybe zipper made a good point..
Chicken, the clanners league is not like it was yesteryear, or years before that.. we have a total of maybe 6 active clans (and thats being generous)
the fact that all the clans are roughly 50% is a good thing, and actually... 50% is not bad, being the system we use... (each clan gets one pick)
sooo.. hmmm... maybe the system should be re-thought, being the lack of activity... either that, or we hope for more active seasons in the near fture, and hope things get back on track... i dunno...
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MonkayIsland, could u give me the decission of clanner Playoffs 37 ?
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+Berria.
should tdc start to play more time for warming before 37# po or it's becoming inactive xD
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its stupid that ratio it force u to avioding games or just bashing noobs... i dunno what an idiot make that rule... xD
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We lost interest on playing again with the intentions of qualify to PO (at least this season) with this still unclear and undefined, and seeing the few clans with chances to qualify according to the actual "rules"/criteria.
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If the clan league isn't as active. Lets just reduce the number of games it takes to reach playoffs.
When tus first started the limit was really low and CF would play the mininum amount of games just to reach playoffs... If playoffs are more easily accessible (fewer games to play) this may encourage more activity and people to look for clanners?