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Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Random00 on February 22, 2011, 06:34 PM
Abnaxus, you're just the the worst pessimist ever. Didnt see anyone in Worms who thinks that bad of people in general.

Where is the fun? :/
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 22, 2011, 08:19 PM
I just can't stand trouble makers. Those are the reason why we live in such a horrible world. Nobody wants to fight them and prefer fleeing those ? No problem, but I will.
I can't change the entire world, but I can make little parts better, where everybody could have fun without people f@#!ing it.

A guy once did ruin the French Worms Community, I promised since then I would never let it happens again.

Where's the fun ? There is none, such as in every works.
But I hope there will be a good end. Where nobody would have to do another thing than enjoying the present moment.

Many guys told me I was dreaming, but I keep thinking it's possible.
Isn't it a kind of optimism ?

I wish people could see what I have in mind, so they could understand what I'm not able to tell.

The only way to make such a thing is to use rules, defined by the entired community.
And everybody has to respect those ones.
If there is no punishment from breaking a rule, bad people would be free to make troubles everywhere.
It's what happenned in many countries, and it's why we get what we have now: a dying earth.

PS: But at least, there is good people I can have a break and fun with.
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: NinjaCamel on February 22, 2011, 08:47 PM
loloo im having fun all the time rofl! Dunno why u even r here if u dont enjoy. I would go to the potato cellar then. Theres the perfect place for what u r looking for. There noone can crush ur peace expect urself.
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 22, 2011, 09:00 PM
You missed an important point where your answer is.
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: NinjaCamel on February 22, 2011, 09:20 PM
i did miss nothing rofl. I just said that the place what u r looking for is the potato cellar
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Cueshark on February 22, 2011, 09:30 PM
Abnaxus,

You obviously care a lot for this game and I admire you for that.

But don't forget that you're playing a game against random people on the internet.  Some players are casual and perhaps careless, some are obsessive about rules and very respectful.  Some are rude and agressive and disrespectful.

We've all met some dicks playing this game but on the whole this community rocks.  That's why you're here and not playing some other game where perhaps this problem is even worse.

You say that a 'guy' did ruin the French Worms Community?  Has the French worms community been ruined?  Or did it just piss you off badly?

I know some awesome French players.  In fact I've never met a bad one.

Don't mix up the troubles of the world in general to the problems in worms.  They shouldn't be compared.  This game is a lovely place to go to escape the troubles of the world.  The odd cheat or arsehole will never change that.

:<


Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Guaton on February 22, 2011, 09:41 PM
Quote from: Cueshark on February 22, 2011, 09:30 PM
  In fact I've never met a bad one.



evilone was a douchebag
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 22, 2011, 10:36 PM
Quote from: Cueshark on February 22, 2011, 09:30 PMHas the French worms community been ruined?
Yes it has been. Can you see many French players nowadays ?
When WLC died, 60% left the game, then the rest left cause they got pissed off what Worms became.

Quote from: Cueshark on February 22, 2011, 09:30 PMDon't mix up the troubles of the world in general to the problems in worms.  They shouldn't be compared.  This game is a lovely place to go to escape the troubles of the world.
How do you want to escape when the same things are happenning ?...
Especially when you see the same errors which led to what the world is now, are done.


I must admit the forum is quite better now than what it was few months ago (thanks to bans/leaves ?).
But some problems hasn't been solved yet, especially the punishments towards a rulebreak.
I just pointed that.
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: avirex on February 22, 2011, 11:25 PM
your like the martin luther king of worms....


lets fast forward to the part that u get assisinated.

as cueshark said, there is so many personalities, some good some bad, some inbetween... so why would u want to change that??? do u think worms community would be the same without a zippo running around? i dont lol... go away with ur bullshit whining about rules..
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 22, 2011, 11:33 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 22, 2011, 08:19 PM
I just can't stand trouble makers.

If u state this:

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 21, 2011, 07:20 PM
Black, White, Yellow, Red or whatever.
Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Atheists or whatever.
They all deserve to die.

You want a better future for the Earth (soon Universe) ? Humanity has to disappear.
+
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 21, 2011, 07:50 PM
Nah, it's more like a shoot'em up.
in game forum, then U are the trouble maker. Does that mean that U can't stand urself?

Saying this:
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 22, 2011, 08:19 PM
...
But I hope there will be a good end. Where nobody would have to do another thing than enjoying the present moment.
...
is not optimistic. It's lost minded. If "nobody would have to do another thing than enjoying the present moment" then we would all be plants, not humans.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 22, 2011, 08:19 PM
...
Where's the fun ? There is none, such as in every works.
...

I can just agree on what Random00 have said:
Quote from: Random00Abnaxus, you're just the the worst pessimist ever. Didnt see anyone in Worms who thinks that bad of people in general.

My advice for U would be to try and find somehow more faith in humanity Abnax, don't let it all go to waste. We're not invisible. We're not meaningless.
Try and sail over man, it's all in ur head. Life is beautiful. And this game particularly! ;)
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
You're wrong on many parts Ramone.

1) How can I make trouble in a "flood forum" ?
That's where everybody can do what he wants, since it doesn't blow another people mind.

2) Having fun all the time is like being a plant ? Then I'd love to be one !

3) To finish, it's not cause I dislike the humans that I don't enjoy my life.
Life isn't beautiful at all, but I can find fun everywhere even in bad moments, so you're talking to the wrong guy mate.  ;)
(We already talked about it.)
If you really knew me, you would see I laugh about anything, especially stupid things.
There are just betrayers, injustice and manipulators which throw the hell out of me.

4) If you think I overextends everything: I'm from Massilia (everybody overextends, we're known for that) and I'm hyper-emotional, which makes a bad deal.  :-X

5) Optimist :
- When it doesn't work, you're sad.
- When it works, you're proud of yourself.
Pessimist:
- When it doesn't work, who cares, this doesn't change from what you though.
- A good thing happens, you're surprised and enjoy it 10 times more.
I'd rather take the pessimist one.  ;)

PS: We're not here to talk about me and my though, but about rules. Don't forget it.

PPS: If a mod could cut the thread from Random post to now and place it on another forum, it would be cool.

PPPS: Avi, you would be the first I would have banned even if you're a nice guy in games.
So I pretty don't care about what you write on the forum.  ;)
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: avirex on February 23, 2011, 09:20 PM
IM A CRIMINAL
cuz every time i write in a thread, people let it go to their head..
you must have been pissed off with suttin i said... i guess im a CRIMINAL
but i dont gotta say a word, ill just flip u the bird...
and keep goin, i dont take shit from noone

eminem song... i altered a little bit... seems fitting!!...  and its better then saying what i would have liked to say to abnaxus, or whoever he is...   cuz im sure if i said what id like to say i would get banned :D i wont give him the pleasure lol
Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 09:27 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
...
PPS: If a mod could cut the thread from Random post to now and place it on another forum, it would be cool.
...

Can any MOD cut this topic from Random00 post so we don't post OT here anymore plz?

Title: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: avirex on February 23, 2011, 09:30 PM
and after that, can you ban avirex? hes such a jerk!!
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Camper on February 23, 2011, 09:53 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
5) Optimist :
- When it doesn't work, you're sad.
- When it works, you're proud of yourself.
Pessimist:
- When it doesn't work, who cares, this doesn't change from what you though.
- A good thing happens, you're surprised and enjoy it 10 times more.
I'd rather take the pessimist one.  ;)


well, that's true :p
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PM
There's no wrong or right. There's no one to judge it. But there's good and bad.
What I'm saying is that your thoughts are bad and not good.

So, from my point of view:

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
1) How can I make trouble in a "flood forum" ?

1) By saying trouble making, I didn't mean forum trouble making. I've meant that anyone who claims that human race deserves to die and that "humanity have to disappear for better future" are trouble makers in general. It's satanic point of view which I do not approve by my beliefs. "It's all f@#!ed up and a big mess, lets better all go to hell right now" point of view..  That's against humanity. That's against life. That's not good. That's hopelessness.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
2) Having fun all the time is like being a plant ? Then I'd love to be one !

2) I'm saying that U cannot know what's happiness if U haven't seen sadness and the other way around. Wishing that "nobody would have to do another thing than enjoying the present moment" is irrational and not possible. It leads to defection. People cannot only enjoy all the time cause then they would not know that they are enjoying. It wouldn't be a feeling anymore, It would be a flat way of life, as plants are. It's reaching Babylon, and haven't we learned already that Babylon leads to ruin?

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
3) To finish, it's not cause I dislike the humans that I don't enjoy my life.
Life isn't beautiful at all ...

3) "it's not cause I dislike the humans that I don't enjoy my life." - by this U are saying two things:
1. U dislike humans.
2. U don't enjoy your life.

"life isn't beautiful at all" -and I say that it is beautiful. So, who's wrong and who's right, U or me? No one, there's no wrong or right, but there's good and bad. Your thought are bad, my thoughts are good. U get that? U can't improve anything if U say to people that life sux. Even if U really mean it. U can only convince them to make suicide. If U've watched the movie called "Life Is Beautiful" (Italian: La vita è bella) U'll know what I'm talking about. It's not what it is, it's what U make of it..


Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
4) ...I'm hyper-emotional, which makes a bad deal.

4) Once again U just see one side of the medal, the bad side.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
5) ... I'd rather take the pessimist one...

5) Habit that's usual to pessimists - conformity.
Wanna see it all fall from the skies to you, but don't wanna make a slight effort to get it..
It's way more simpler:
Optimist: believes.
Pessimist: do not believe.

It's easiest to get to conclusion that everything sux and that this world is f@#!ed up and that there are injustice on every corner. It's easiest to blame the world and system around U for all of your fails. But it's not the way to improve anything. For the beginning U have to start to believe. And only then U can improve it, when U believe that it can be improved.

edit: when U want it to be improved.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: nino on February 23, 2011, 11:28 PM
all i know is that the optimist created the plane, the pessimist created the parachutes XDDDDDDDD
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 11:34 PM
Quote from: avirex on February 23, 2011, 09:20 PMand its better then saying what i would have liked to say to abnaxus, or whoever he is...   cuz im sure if i said what id like to say i would get banned :D i wont give him the pleasure lol

I haven't been clear, let me repeat in your language:


"You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime BRO"

(I altered a little bit too.)
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 12:06 AM
Quote from: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PM
1) By saying trouble making, I didn't mean forum trouble making. I've meant that anyone who claims that human race deserves to die and that "humanity have to disappear for better future" are trouble makers in general.
The thing is it's true: if you want the earth to survive, humanity has to desappear. Nothing more has been said there.


Quote from: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PM
It's satanic point of view which I do not approve by my beliefs. "It's all f@#!ed up and a big mess, lets better all go to hell right now" point of view..  That's against humanity. That's against life. That's not good. That's hopelessness.
And again, you didn't read. If I'd believe in heaven and hell. Some people would go to heaven.
And please, don't tell I'm a satanist, that's not cool. I've never insulted you.


Quote from: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PM
2) I'm saying that U cannot know what's happiness if U haven't seen sadness and the other way around. Wishing that "nobody would have to do another thing than enjoying the present moment" is irrational and not possible. It leads to defection. People cannot only enjoy all the time cause then they would not know that they are enjoying. It wouldn't be a feeling anymore, It would be a flat way of life, as plants are. It's reaching Babylon, and haven't we learned already that Babylon leads to ruin?
You didn't read again:
Quote from: AbnaxusIf you think I overextends everything: etc etc


Quote from: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
3) To finish, it's not cause I dislike the humans that I don't enjoy my life.
Life isn't beautiful at all ...

3) "it's not cause I dislike the humans that I don't enjoy my life." - by this U are saying two things:  Hu ? Find the problem.
1. U dislike humans.
2. U don't enjoy your life.


Quote from: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PM
"life isn't beautiful at all" -and I say that it is beautiful. So, who's wrong and who's right, U or me? No one, there's no wrong or right, but there's good and bad. Your thought are bad, my thoughts are good. U get that? U can't improve anything if U say to people that life sux. Even if U really mean it. U can only convince them to make suicide. If U've watched the movie called "Life Is Beautiful" (Italian: La vita è bella) U'll know what I'm talking about. It's not what it is, it's what U make of it..
How can you say life is beautiful with all those guys running out of food, those wars etc ?
"Life is not beautiful", it doesn't mean you have to suicide. You have to fight to get a better one.



Quote from: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
...I'm hyper-emotional, which makes a bad deal.

4) Once again U just see one side of the medal, the bad side.
You cut half of the sentence.


Quote from: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 23, 2011, 04:14 PM
...
I'd rather take the pessimist one...

5) Habit that's usual to pessimists - conformity.
Wanna see it all fall from the skies to you, but don't wanna make a slight effort to get it..
It's way more simpler:
Optimist: believes.
Pessimist: do not believe.
I'm claiming I'll fight until death and you tell me I don't wanna make a slight effort. That was too much.


Quote from: Ramone on February 23, 2011, 11:15 PMIt's easiest to get to conclusion that everything sux and that this world is f@#!ed up and that there are injustice on every corner. It's easiest to blame the world and system around U for all of your fails. But it's not the way to improve anything. For the beginning U have to start to believe. And only then U can improve it, when U believe that it can be improved.
It's easier to take the other parti sentences, twist them (with what ? I don't know, it's kind of non-sense), and make them tell what they've never said.
Plus, saying things which not stick together.
Plus saying things which has never been included in the conversation.
Are you some kind of lawyer ? Cause you exactly act like those ones to be right. Even if you know someone isn't guilty, you'll twist things together to make him guilty.
If you think you can trick me so easly, you're wrong mate.

I wonder how can you say everytime "Don't be scamed !", when you're trying to make people get (scamed).


You felt a lot on my consideration acting like that.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 24, 2011, 12:32 AM
I thought that U might not understand it!

I kinda knew it.. but whatever, U got it bad again. I ain't trying to scam anything or to make U feel guilty, U feel guilty cause U think that U are guilty, not cause what I've said. U're scamming yourself!

I've just said what's on my mind in order to make U think about principles I do not support, nothing more nothing less.
Must be some thc running there!? xD
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: avirex on February 24, 2011, 12:48 AM
this ones for  abnaxuz.. because u have hit rock bottom, fool


Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 01:20 AM
Quote from: Ramone on February 24, 2011, 12:32 AMI ain't trying to scam anything or to make U feel guilty, U feel guilty cause U think that U are guilty, not cause what I've said. U're scamming yourself!
It was an example to explain you what I meant. Not how I felt.

Quote from: Ramone on February 24, 2011, 12:32 AMMust be some thc running there!? xD
And alcool, but I don't get the connexion.
Well nvm, I said what I had to say, I'm done.

Quote from: avirex on February 24, 2011, 12:48 AMbecause u have hit rock bottom
Cool, so I'll have something to climb on.
You're dumb dude, no offense.

Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 24, 2011, 01:35 AM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 01:20 AM
...
Well nvm, I said what I had to say, I'm done.

First thing that U've said is: "if you want the earth to survive, humanity has to desappear. " - that is bad and destructive way of thinking.

Still bad.

That's not fighting, that's surrender.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 01:36 AM
And what you did wasn't argumentation.
I just don't like to talk with walls..  ???

PS: How can it be surrender when I exposed everything to show you I was right ? (At least towards what you said.)

PPS: It's realistic way of thinking. Not being blind by some kind of wonderfull view.
But you can't understand people can have such a view, and have fun in their life.

PPS:
Quote from: RamoneThat's not fighting, that's surrender.
That's the kind of arguments from someone who doesn't have any more.

We can continue until death. You saying things without any link. And me repeating the things you don't understand.
I've many more better things to do. :|
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 24, 2011, 01:53 AM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 01:36 AM
...I exposed everything to show you I was right ?

There's no wrong or right.
U still don't get it.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 02:33 AM
The thing is I got what you meant (not thanks to your post on this thread, but on an old topic).

You misunderstand every of my sentences since you cut them and take the part you want.
But if there is another part of this, it's not for nothing.
Take it as it is, the whole sentence in a row, and you might understand.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 01:36 AM
[...] when I exposed everything to show you I was right ? (At least towards what you said.)
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: zippeurfou on February 24, 2011, 05:16 AM
Quote from: Cueshark on February 22, 2011, 09:30 PM


You say that a 'guy' did ruin the French Worms Community?  Has the French worms community been ruined?  Or did it just piss you off badly?


Don't forget the coooleeeeeeeeeeeeeeesttttttttttttt besteeeeeeeeeesttt nigarresssssttt (oops I mean finlandessst) clan of allll theeee timeeeeee is ruled by two french (is that enough barging komo ? xD).
Even if we're almost never on wn :D.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Dub-c on February 24, 2011, 06:40 AM
Pessimist

[pes-uh-mist]
–noun
1.
a person who habitually sees or anticipates the worst or is disposed to be gloomy.
2.
an adherent of the doctrine of pessimism.

Doctrine

[dok-trin]
–noun
1.
a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.
2.
something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine.
3.
a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject: the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

Just in case anyone else needs to look up the word to be sure on its meaning.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Chelsea on February 24, 2011, 07:04 AM


Will be good :) Everyone sometimes is pessimist.... me yoo :P
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: TheKomodo on February 24, 2011, 08:00 AM
Quote from: zippeurfou on February 24, 2011, 05:16 AM
Quote from: Cueshark on February 22, 2011, 09:30 PM


You say that a 'guy' did ruin the French Worms Community?  Has the French worms community been ruined?  Or did it just piss you off badly?


Don't forget the coooleeeeeeeeeeeeeeesttttttttttttt besteeeeeeeeeesttt nigarresssssttt (oops I mean finlandessst) clan of allll theeee timeeeeee is ruled by two french (is that enough barging komo ? xD).
Even if we're almost never on wn :D.

Why you mention me here? I don't get it lol...

And Ramone/Abnaxus, imo you are both right, but neither of you understands why the other person feels the way they do, and you never will unless you can know 100% of their life and what they go through and how they feel for everything.

It's ok to hate without causing others harm, and it's ok to love without showing off.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Husk on February 24, 2011, 08:40 AM
worst thread evar
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: HHC on February 24, 2011, 08:42 AM
Quote from: Husk on February 24, 2011, 08:40 AM
worst thread evar

yeah, and that's being optimistic  :D
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: THeDoGG on February 24, 2011, 09:49 AM
ahuahuha a french community ?! LOL !

There are 2 kind of frenchies, those that have fun, and the others that just always complain and are never happy with nothing =)

I let you guess which one are in which part ))
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: dilligaf on February 24, 2011, 10:00 AM
Optimism will always overcome pessimism! Even metaphorically.

Quote from: THeDoGG on February 24, 2011, 09:49 AM
ahuahuha a french community ?! LOL !

There are 2 kind of frenchies, those that have fun, and the others that just always complain and are never happy with nothing =)

I let you guess which one are in which part ))
Sorry for off-topic but your avatar is freaking awesome!
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Rendered on February 24, 2011, 10:30 AM
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Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Rok on February 24, 2011, 01:05 PM
Just get laid a bit more often, Abnaxus. I promise it'll all look better.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 03:03 PM
Now I surrender. Everytime a sentence is posted about myself, it's the total contrary of what I wrote.

A good stubborns band.

TheDogg, if had read, I'm in both, I'm having fun AND I complaint everytime about things which shouldn't be the way they are.
When I tell you you guys don't understand it, It's cause you really don't.

Dilligaf, best researchers were pessimist/realist.
Best musicians were pessimist.
And I'm sure there is more.  ;)

Rok, you wouldn't say that if you knew me. I do it quite enough, more would be stupid (have you heard of moderation ?) .

Quote from: Husk on February 24, 2011, 08:40 AM
worst thread evar
Yeah, I start thinking the same.
Only blind people who wanna be right and don't even try to understand other people mind.
I guess people will never change. :)


Now I really am off this topic, I won't post anymore in it.
You still want to discuss ? Take my previous messages as a response to your future ones.
When you'll get them, you'll maybe stop saying bullshits.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: MonkeyIsland on February 24, 2011, 03:34 PM
Pessimism or optimism discussions never have any result simply because they are a result of what you feel about life and what your point of view is. You can go around and around and list why pessimism is better or vice versa but it has no effect on other people who are feeling a different thing.

There are many things in your arguments Abnaxus that don't simply match my thoughts. I can quote them one by one and tell you why you are mistaken. But none of my logics would hit your feelings and point of view about your life. So just let the time do its job :)
Some say that's why we are here ;)
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 04:10 PM
There is a difference between disagreeing and making me say what I've never said (that's lawyer strategy, already said it on a previous post).

(I said I would stopped talking there, but I had to clarify this.)
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: GodiTo on February 24, 2011, 04:39 PM
Ok, I will post here a big big big novel. ( LOL )

Actually in my mind Abnaxus is one of the coolest wormer. And it is, because our mind matches a lot, I think.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: TheKomodo on February 24, 2011, 06:38 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 03:03 PM
Best musicians were pessimist.

I gotta disagree on this, you are not the creator of the universe and you cannot state this as a fact, music is beautiful in all forms and sounds, millions upon millions of people have a VAST difference in taste, this is definately a difference of opinion.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 06:58 PM
Even if you do'nt like, you can recognize a very good musician.

Wasn't Mozart one ?
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: TheKomodo on February 24, 2011, 07:03 PM
Yes but you worded that different, can you not see the difference in the words you use to describe something?

"Best musicians...." <---- This is written as a fact, which is not true as taste in music is opinion alone, one mans trash is another mans treasure...

"Even if you don't like, you can recognise a very good musician." <---- Yes, I agree with this, I hate Slipknot but understand their talent for example...
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 07:47 PM
You're right.

To answer your question, I often say things which have a different meaning than what I mean. All this thinking It means what I want.
That's why I often write "I mean [...]", trying to be as much explicites as it can be.

"Best" means "Les plus grands" there, which isn't subjective in French.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: dilligaf on February 25, 2011, 05:32 AM
You used Slipknot and 'talent' in the same sentence :o I am mortified.

Lol joke

But kinda 99% serious
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 25, 2011, 11:59 AM
Quote from: dilligaf on February 25, 2011, 05:32 AM
You used Slipknot and 'talent' in the same sentence :o I am mortified.
ROFLMAO ! xD

+1
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Random00 on February 25, 2011, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Husk on February 24, 2011, 08:40 AM
worst thread evar

Was quite interesting to read this thread actually ^^

To Abnaxus:
In general I totally disagree with your opinion on most things I guess, but you already discussed this with Ramone and I would've wrote pretty much the same as him. So no reason to add anything there. Everyone has his own opinion and I guess it's just too hard to understand each other if your opinions are that different...

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 22, 2011, 08:19 PM
[...] I can't change the entire world, but I can make little parts better, where everybody could have fun without people f@#!ing it. [...]

This seems just really, really strange to me. The last thing I remember on these forums is this thread: https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/worms-armageddon/lags/
You had the same problem then I had, so you could've just posted some help for me if you saw the topic. But instead you chose to reply and saying that you don't help me. Furthermore you edited a lot of posts in some older thread, where this problem (and probably a solution or at least some fix/workaround) was already described.
How is this making things better?

I mean, if you have some reason for not helping me, then its ok. I can respect this. You dont have to help people you don't like.
But spending time to make it harder for someone to solve a problem is just weird....
I dont think that I did anything that I deserve this kind of "punishment". And if you think that I did deserve it, then I kindly ask you to tell me what I did to you. Thanks.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Rok on February 25, 2011, 08:34 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 03:03 PM
Best musicians were pessimist.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 06:58 PM
Wasn't Mozart one ?

Beethoven was better. Check his biography and tell me if a pessimist could handle a life he had. :D
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 01:40 PM
Quote from: Random00 on February 25, 2011, 08:17 PMI mean, if you have some reason for not helping me, then its ok. I can respect this.
Then do so.

PS: Just remember our last altercation. Your clanmate SPW was there too.
What you did wasn't so bad, but your behaviour pissed me off.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 02:10 PM
Quote from: Rok on February 25, 2011, 08:34 PMBeethoven was better also. Check his biography and tell me if a pessimist could handle a life he had.
I'd like to tell he was optimistic, but all he did was fighting against his own problems.
I don't know if he was pessimistic, but since he left the social life, he was all but optimistic. Which wasn't a problem for him to try to go against those problems.

Plus, I read a letter from him where he was talking about suicide (cause of his deaf problem), and where he whined about how he got sadly dealt by other people: he told the injustices, but didn't care much of them 'cause he knew and trusted himself where he was right.
In fact, it sounds like I'm a lot like him.

Anyway, I think nobody understood me. And I just came to the conclusion there was no way to explain to you guys my real point of view and how I feel everything.
It's sad, 'cause you could learn a lot from there.

It sounds very pretentious, but it is the truth...

Human has an incredible potential, you wouldn't even believe it if someone would tell you.
But most of them just whines about problems without even trying to do something. And it's there you lost everything.

If you're able to read between the lines, you would see I believe in the human himself, but not on the people we see nowadays.
I can't even call them humans anymore, they lost almost everything from it.
But it's not a reason for me to ruin my life. There is so much good things to see and enjoy on it, and I'll protect those ones, even if it means I have to be against the "world" himself, even if I have to sacrify myself.
"Un jour, la Terre et la Vie aura raison de vous."

PS: If I believed in God, I would call nowadays Humans, limbs of the devil.

PPS: Doesn't mean all of the humans are so bad: some people didn't forget who we were and what was our aim.
And I thank the Earth for this.

PPPS: I'm starting to believe someone or something is stopping me to make you get what I know, like if I weren't allowed to tell you this.
Just cause you all need to find it by yourself... (At least if you really want to.)
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 04:55 PM
Lol Abnax, U've said that U're done with this subject and that U won't post anymore since 10 posts before, and then U post another 6 post, U even do double-posts.. U liar! ;p

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 24, 2011, 03:03 PM
Quote from: Husk on February 24, 2011, 08:40 AM
worst thread evar
Yeah, I start thinking the same.
Only blind people who wanna be right and don't even try to understand other people mind.
...

To me it looks like U're the only one here who wanna be "right" on any cause.. ;x

I've understood U perfectly man. And yes, it is pretentious to say that no one understand U. Teenagers do that often.. "no one understands me, bla-bla.."

We can discuss still, but if U are ready to discuss, not if U'll act like insulted victim and say that U won't post anymore.. Cause then it sux to talk at all..

At first, I have no intention to be "right" cause I don't believe in wrong or right in subjects which is not exact (as mathematics i.e.), as I've said already. So, U first must understand that I ain't discussing this cause I wanna prove that I'm "right" or to prove U "wrong", ok?

Secondly, I never tried to put another meaning to your words by cutting your sentences, I've cutted them only to point out what was I referring to and to make my posts smaller cause they were large already.. If U wanna I'll go and modify my post by putting whole of your sentences in my quotes, but that still would not change a word in my "answer" or any meaning in it. It's completely the same thought from my side.

Only reason why I ever answered and tried to discuss on this subject is your statement which I've heard from many ppl before and which I disapprove:
Quote from: Abnaxus
Black, White, Yellow, Red or whatever.
Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Atheists or whatever.
They all deserve to die.

You want a better future for the Earth (soon Universe) ? Humanity has to disappear.
...
Nah, it's more like a shoot'em up.

I'm claiming that this is a bad point of view which doesn't lead to any improving of life.. It's weakness. It's escaping in quickest and shorter way.

Quote from: Abnaxus
How can you say life is beautiful with all those guys running out of food, those wars etc ?
"Life is not beautiful", it doesn't mean you have to suicide. You have to fight to get a better one.

Man, I live in Serbia. Don't tell me about it from your comfy chair in France, I've already saw it myself and lived that shit in last 20 years. I saw ppl fighting for a peace of old bread, some of my friends died in a stupid war, not to mention other things, I know a bit of what life is...

U say that "you have to fight to get a better life". So what's your fight? You are fighting for a better life but on the other hand U say that all people deserves to die? That's contradictory.
If U don't think that only by death life can be better. Which is paradox by itself too.

I know what are U trying to say, that the world is f@#!ed up cause humans f@#!ed it all up, that human race have become defective and warped.. Yes lots of them are, but saying that all humans deserves to die doesn't makes U any different from them. That's defective and warped point of view too.

Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 05:28 PM
People can be awesome (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1942994) :)

If you can't explain something clearly, then you don't really understand yourself. Just my experience in over 10 years of tutoring.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 05:31 PM
Quote from: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 04:55 PMI know what are U trying to say, that the world is f@#!ed up cause humans f@#!ed it all up, that human race have become defective and warped.. Yes lots of them are, but saying that all humans deserves to die doesn't makes U any different from them. That's defective and warped point of view too.
I don't talk with Human at the center of the universe, but Nature/Earth or however you call it, as center.
Towards this Earth/Nature, all humans deserves to die, that's a fact, you can't change it, whatever you wanna think of it.
Saying the contrary is just fleeing the reality.
Maybe you just fear the death, so you prefer lying about it to feel better ? I don't really know, but all your words matches with this.
(And watch, I'm not saying you do so, I just tell it LOOKS LIKE. Which is a VERY f@#!ING DIFFERENT THING about what you do.)

About the posts, yeah I said I would stop, but if you had noticed, I also said what you pointed on my next posts.
After I wanted to stop talking, you guys made me say what I've never said, so I just clarified the situation (because I had to).
And for some, it was another subject, so there was nothing to do with pessimist/optimism subject.

Anyway, you still don't understand.
Why can I say so ? Cause you've been trying to repeat what I said as example for you argumentation, but the thing is what you think is what I said, is not.
Why can I say it's not ? Cause it's from me it, so I know better than no one what I said (at least meant, cause I know sometimes what I say and mean don't match together).
Why you're wrong ? Cause you again said "I understood you" where you didn't.

I'd like to discuss, but as you said: to discuss.
Plus, if you don't stop your lawyer argumentation, then please don't post anymore in this thread. Cause it doesn't make things advance. (Such as you did on half of your thread again.)

Quote from: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 04:55 PMAnd yes, it is pretentious to say that no one understand U. Teenagers do that often.. "no one understands me, bla-bla.."
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 02:10 PM
And I just came to the conclusion there was no way to explain to you guys my real point of view and how I feel everything.
It's sad, 'cause you could learn a lot from there.

It sounds very pretentious, but it is the truth...
See ? When I say you don't understand me..
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 05:38 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 05:31 PM
I don't talk with Human at the center of the universe, but Nature/Earth or however you call it, as center.
Towards this Earth/Nature, all humans deserves to die, that's a fact, you can't change it, whatever you wanna think of it.
Saying the contrary is just fleeing the reality.

Erm, when you're talking about someone deserving something, then you're talking about justice, which is in itself a human thing. Nature doesn't care about justice.
So when you say humans deserve, that's your sentiment, not nature's sentiment.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 05:44 PM
Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 05:28 PMPeople can be awesome (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1942994) :)
Yeah they can, but they most of the time suck.


Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 05:28 PM
If you can't explain something clearly, then you don't really understand yourself. Just my experience in over 10 years of tutoring.
In many case maybe, but doesn't work for me. (And it doesn't work for many people, cause saw a lot of persons who weren't able to tell something greatly, whereas they understood it perfectly.)
I get a mental problem about it, it's totally different.
Plus I'm talking in English, and as you should have pointed it out, I'm not good with it. So sometimes, my sentences doesn't mean what I would like it to do.
So taking the 2 together, it makes a weird thing.


You're right Darkone, but I've never said I represented the Nature. Just cause nobody can.
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 05:31 PMTowards this Earth/Nature, all humans deserve to die, that's a fact, you can't change it, whatever you wanna think of it.
Saying the contrary is just fleeing the reality.
I'm just talking from Nature side.


There again, you misunderstood.
Should I make a counter ?
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 05:52 PM
No, I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "deserve" :o
Either that or you didn't fully read my post. Especially the part about nature not caring about justice.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 06:03 PM
Lol, I just answered on my previous post.
Nature maybe can't carry the justice, it won't change my statement.
Cause as I said, I'm not the Nature: I'm a human defending the Nature. (And as you said, justice is a human thing.)
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: dilligaf on February 27, 2011, 06:04 PM
Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 05:28 PM
People can be awesome (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1942994) :)

If you can't explain something clearly, then you don't really understand yourself. Just my experience in over 10 years of tutoring.
Why are there no shots from worms in that video?  ???
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 06:25 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 06:03 PM
Lol, I just answered on my previous post.
Nature maybe can't carry the justice, it won't change my statement.
Cause as I said, I'm not the Nature: I'm a human defending the Nature. (And as you said, justice is a human thing.)

Nature doesn't care about justice, therefore has nothing to say about who/what deserves something.
So it's your opinion and has nothing to do with nature.
I can only feel pity for this kind of world view though, makes everything in life seem so meaningless :(
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:11 PM
Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 06:25 PM
Nature doesn't care about justice, therefore has nothing to say about who/what deserves something.
So it's your opinion and has nothing to do with nature.
Sure it's my opinion. And I do it for Nature's good. So yes, it has to do with that last, since I'm doing for it.

Btw, Fauna & Flora are a part of the Nature. So you can't just say "Nature doesn't care about justice", it's your point of view.
Except if you think that Human doesn't care neither about the justice, which would explains everything (and so they'd deserve to die).

Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 06:25 PMI can only feel pity for this kind of world view though, makes everything in life seem so meaningless :(
There again, it's your point of view.
In fact, I'd like to say you're too young (mentality) cause you can't go further this "everything in life seem so meaningless".
You can get it and go ahead; But don't forget it, otherwise it would go worse.
Instead of simply whining/crying, just don't mind (to not get hurt) & fight for the improvment.

This last sentence is kindda contradictory, but I don't know how to tell it a different way.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 07:15 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 05:31 PM
...
Towards this Earth/Nature, all humans deserves to die, that's a fact, you can't change it, whatever you wanna think of it.
Saying the contrary is just fleeing the reality.
...

Of course all humans are born and they'll die, that's natural process. But U want to shoot 'em all man, that's not talking from "Earth/Nature" side, that's killing people.
With that philosophy U can shoot the newborn baby and say "well, she'll die anyway, it's a fact, ask Nature". That's insane and warped point of view.

Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:38 PM
Again, you make me say what I've never said Ram.

I said they deserve to die. But I'm human (maybe a lot more than many there), and I don't want to see them dead, even if they deserve it.
(Except for some, who really, really needs to be killed.)
I just want people to realise they act badly, so they can change to a better way (because I don't even think they can, I know it).
If they do realise but don't change, they are bad for the world and must die (and I'm sure one of you will misunderstood this one too :) ).

PS: Human is destroying the whole nature, the most he did was trying to kill it. You really thing the Nature would mind killing people ?
When people see a plant, most of a time he grabs a leaf and cut it, just for fun.
Have you ever think plants could get a mind too ?

PPS: If it continues well, we'll soon reach another axis of the life.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:11 PM
Sure it's my opinion. And I do it for Nature's good. So yes, it has to do with that last, since I'm doing for it.
You're making it sound like you're going to act on your opinion, which would make you a very dangerous person. After all, humankind deserves to die, doesn't it?

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:11 PM
Btw, Fauna & Flora are a part of the Nature. So you can't just say "Nature doesn't care about justice", it's your point of view.
No, it's a fact. Ever seen nature court? Bambi being the judge and 12 gophers being the jury and stuff. It doesn't happen, because nature doesn't care about justice, it only cares about survival. You're anthropomorphising nature, which is a pretty common mistake.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:11 PM
Except if you think that Human doesn't care neither about the justice, which would explains everything (and so they'd deserve to die).
I literally told you that it's a human thing.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:11 PM
Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 06:25 PMI can only feel pity for this kind of world view though, makes everything in life seem so meaningless :(
There again, it's your point of view.
In fact, I'd like to say you're too young (mentality) cause you can't go further this "everything in life seem so meaningless".

Only reply to this that I can think of is "WTF?". If humanity deserves only death (your viewpoint), that's a nihilistic world view. In a nihilistic world view, everything is meaningless and humanity is worthless.
Keep in mind though, that it's the worthless humans that have sustained you so far.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:11 PM
You can get it and go ahead; But don't forget it, otherwise it would go worse.

The first sentence makes about as much sense as a banana riding a tricycle. Please explain what you meant. This may in fact explain why we're not on the same page here because your english is very confusing and perhaps some of the things I've said are lost in translation.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:11 PM
Instead of simply whining/crying, just don't mind (to not get hurt) & fight for the improvment.

This last sentence is kindda contradictory, but I don't know how to tell it a different way.
I like how you're telling me to fight for improvement there.
http://worms2d.info/People#D (apparently, TUS isn't in the list yet behind my name, I'll fix that soon)
What I do for worms echoes what I do in real life. Again, feeling that mankind is worthless and deserves nothing but death is your world view, not mine.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 08:02 PM
Abanx, U are confusing.
First U say "All humans deserves to die, shoot 'em all, humanity have to disappear" and then U say "I don't want to see them dead, I want them to realize they are acting badly"... U want them all dead or not?  :-X
If U don't want them dead, then fine. Admit that U have exaggerated boldly with that statement cause U wanted to sound like a tough guy and there's nothing to discuss anymore.

Yes there's a big difference:
- "towards the nature all humans will die" - it's a fact
and it's completely different thing than what U've said:
- "towards the nature all humans deserves to die" - it's a warp

I gtg now, I wonder what I'll find in this topic when I come back (in 3-4 hours).. ;x
cya
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 08:11 PM
Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 07:56 PMYou're making it sound like you're going to act on your opinion, which would make you a very dangerous person. After all, humankind deserves to die, doesn't it?
I'd like to act on my opinion, but as I can't know if I'm dreaming or if this is real, I just can't.
'Cause it could be very good, but also very bad.

Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 07:56 PM
No, it's a fact. Ever seen nature court? Bambi being the judge and 12 gophers being the jury and stuff. It doesn't happen, because nature doesn't care about justice, it only cares about survival. You're anthropomorphising nature, which is a pretty common mistake.
Didn't understand one single word there. :/

Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 07:56 PM
Only reply to this that I can think of is "WTF?". If humanity deserves only death (your viewpoint), that's a nihilistic world view. In a nihilistic world view, everything is meaningless and humanity is worthless.
Keep in mind though, that it's the worthless humans that have sustained you so far.
1) If I follow what you say, I get a nihilistic world view (I don't know what this means).
The thing is, everything isn't meaningless and humanity isn't worthless in my mind.
So you should review your basis...
2) Nobody has ever sustained me.

Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 07:11 PM
You can get it and go ahead; But don't forget it, otherwise it would go worse.
The first sentence makes about as much sense as a banana riding a tricycle. Please explain what you meant. This may in fact explain why we're not on the same page here because your english is very confusing and perhaps some of the things I've said are lost in translation.
You can know a bad thing without caring much of it. I mean, you wouldn't have to ruin your life cause of this.
But you can't just know and don't mind, otherwise it would go worse and worse over the years/eras.
To simplify as much as possible: you need to fight for the improvment without using your emotions, otherwise you could make much more pain.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 08:30 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 08:11 PM
Nobody has ever sustained me.

You built the house you live in with your own hands? You grow your own food? You raised yourself? And while doing all that, you have enough spare time left to generate your own electricy, build your own commodities from natural resources and such?
Amazing :)

Your standard of life is determined by the social system and technology that makes it possible. So yes, you are being sustained by other people, though you obviously pay for their services.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 08:11 PM
The thing is, everything isn't meaningless and humanity isn't worthless in my mind.
So you should review your basis...

This was my basis:

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 21, 2011, 07:20 PM
Black, White, Yellow, Red or whatever.
Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Atheists or whatever.
They all deserve to die.
You want a better future for the Earth (soon Universe) ? Humanity has to disappear.

Ramone already put the appropriate comment to that a few posts ago.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 08:34 PM
Quote from: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 08:02 PM
First U say "All humans deserves to die, shoot 'em all, humanity have to disappear" and then U say "I don't want to see them dead, I want them to realize they are acting badly"... U want them all dead or not?  :-X
If U don't want them dead, then fine. Admit that U have exaggerated boldly with that statement cause U wanted to sound like a tough guy and there's nothing to discuss anymore.
Let me clarify something you didn't yet understood:
- In my mind, the basis of everything: I like the human itself, how he has been created, his mind: everything is interesting in it.
I want the best for his future, but only for people who deserves it.
If you don't deserve it, it means you did (and/or do) something wrong (something wrong is something like making pain towards innocents).
- Nowadays human is bad, from veins to body. Jealousy, greedyness etc..
People won't mind to kill someone to get a higher rank in the company.
He deserves to die for this.
- "Shoot 'em all", was a joke about the thread and the answers. Nothing to do with human deserving to die.
- "There again, you took half of the sentence "If you wanna save the Earth, humanity has to disappear".
If we continue the way it is, the Earth will die soon (under nuclear war for example).
And since Humans make no effort to change, the only  way for the world to survive is the humanity to disappear.

Quote from: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 08:02 PM
- "towards the nature all humans deserves to die" - it's a warp
It's not a warp, it's the reality.


If the human deserves to die today, it doesn't mean he'll deserve it in 500 years.
Today, the way it is, Human deserves to die. And I'm trying to save them by making them realise what they do bad.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 08:37 PM
Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 08:30 PM
You built the house you live in with your own hands? You grow your own food? You raised yourself? And while doing all that, you have enough spare time left to generate your own electricy, build your own commodities from natural resources and such?
Amazing :)
My bad, I misunderstood the meaning of "sustained".

Quote from: DarkOneIf humanity deserves only death (your viewpoint), that's a nihilistic world view. In a nihilistic world view, everything is meaningless and humanity is worthless.
You say, if someone gets a nihilistic world view, everything is meaningless to him.
Then, why do I get a nihilistic world view and few things are meaningless to me ?
It's cause it doesn't fit that I tell you to review your basis.

Quote from: DarkOneKeep in mind though, that it's the worthless humans that have sustained you so far.
I half agree with this (some aren't worthless and some are).
People does their job to earn money, not to help other people.
Since the money has been created, "every" people forgot why it has been made and totally changed their mind.
I can't argue anymore about it cause it would be too long and hard to explain.

PS: Sometimes I'd prefer live without all I get.
Live in the forest, under wood houses, to enjoy the life itself, and not the "lie based" one we get.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: TheKomodo on February 27, 2011, 09:01 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 08:34 PM
Quote from: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 08:02 PM
First U say "All humans deserves to die, shoot 'em all, humanity have to disappear" and then U say "I don't want to see them dead, I want them to realize they are acting badly"... U want them all dead or not?  :-X
If U don't want them dead, then fine. Admit that U have exaggerated boldly with that statement cause U wanted to sound like a tough guy and there's nothing to discuss anymore.
Let me clarify something you didn't yet understood:
- In my mind, the basis of everything: I like the human itself, how he has been created, his mind: everything is interesting in it.
I want the best for his future, but only for people who deserves it.
If you don't deserve it, it means you did (and/or do) something wrong (something wrong is something like making pain towards innocents).
- Nowadays human is bad, from veins to body. Jealousy, greedyness etc..
People won't mind to kill someone to get a higher rank in the company.
He deserves to die for this.
- "Shoot 'em all", was a joke about the thread and the answers. Nothing to do with human deserving to die.
- "There again, you took half of the sentence "If you wanna save the Earth, humanity has to disappear".
If we continue the way it is, the Earth will die soon (under nuclear war for example).
And since Humans make no effort to change, the only  way for the world to survive is the humanity to disappear.

I do agree with this to a certain extent, I understand what he is saying.

Ramone, DarkOne, why don't you just agree that, yes, there are alot of assholes living on Earth making life a lifelong torment for others, but some people are respectful and honorable and wonderful.

Thats what I see he is trying to say, dunno how you guys got this evolved to this point lol.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 10:13 PM
Because he's also generalising. You can see it in the quote I provided a few posts ago, you can see it in his coloured post:

Quote
- Nowadays human is bad, from veins to body. Jealousy, greedyness etc..
People won't mind to kill someone to get a higher rank in the company.
He deserves to die for this.

Of course there are people that don't deserve the air they're breathing. You won't find me denying that, but there are plenty of people who want to do their best and not just for themselves.
The quote above is not compatible with this notion.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 10:26 PM
Quote from: DarkOne on February 27, 2011, 10:13 PMbut there are plenty of people who want to do their best and not just for themselves.
You won't find me denying that too.
But it might be 5% population over the Earth (I even think less).

And take care, when you think someone is good, you'll often be wrong.
Nowadays, human nature is bad (and I guess it's about this we were talking).
Humans are eating eachothers.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 28, 2011, 02:59 AM
Quote from: Komito on February 27, 2011, 09:01 PM
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Ramone, DarkOne, why don't you just agree that, yes, there are alot of assholes living on Earth making life a lifelong torment for others, but some people are respectful and honorable and wonderful.
...

Yes, there are alot of assholes living on Earth making life a lifelong torment for others, but some people are respectful and honorable and wonderful.
I totally do agree on that.

But, to count down all races and religions of people and state that they all deserves to die is satanic, negative, pessimistic and hopeless point of view by my standards. I'll never agree on that.

Who have the rights to claim that someone deserves to die? In this case it's only "Black, White, Yellow, Red or whatever. Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Atheists or whatever."

Few months ago we had a topic about justice where U Komo claimed that every murder is bad and deserves punishment (except maybe murder in self-defense), I've even gave U an example with father, son and a junkie in which father kills a junkie cause of his son, and U were not sure if that was "righteous" murder too.. And now U expect me to agree with idea that "They all deserve to die" cause they are bad people who will destroy the Earth?
Banana riding a tricycle.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 28, 2011, 03:50 AM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 08:34 PM
Quote from: Ramone on February 27, 2011, 08:02 PM
- "towards the nature all humans deserves to die" - it's a warp
It's not a warp, it's the reality.

It's not a reality, it's warped thought of pessimist human nicknamed Abnaxus.

Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 08:34 PM
If the human deserves to die today, it doesn't mean he'll deserve it in 500 years.
Today, the way it is, Human deserves to die. And I'm trying to save them by making them realise what they do bad.

Human or Humans? Human or Humanity? Cause if you stick to your original version that "humanity has to disappear" then it's different, then there wouldn't be humans in 500 years. Or U only want them 50% dead? Cmon choose already what U wanna! Cause saying that U wanna help them by making them realize is completely opposite of having them disappeared cause they deserves to die.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: TheKomodo on February 28, 2011, 07:43 AM
Woah woah, back the truck up Ramone lol !

I didn't say I expect you to agree with "they all deserve to die"...

I myself have felt so bad sometimes i've said to myself "I wish the whole world would just die" but soon I forgot about that and realise was just stupid of me to think such things.

When you fall you gotta try and catch yourself so you can climb back up, if you let yourself fall flat on your face it hurts more...
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on February 28, 2011, 02:56 PM
Haha Ram's, I really don't know how to say it, you'll never understand. ^^'

You shouldn't flee the reality.  This, is warped though and it can be your weakness. .)
Anyway, let's say we both have our though, you don't know mine, and let's get off that topic lol.
We didn't advance since the first page, and I'm kinda getting bored of repeating myself. :)

I used to be like some of you, not believing in supernaturl things.
Since a day, some things happenned and then I made self researches about those weird things, I came to a funny conclusion and my mind totally changed.
Since then, my mind is much more objective.
I don't know if you guys will live what I did, but if you do, you guys will understand many things in life.

Quote from: Rok on February 25, 2011, 08:34 PMyou wouldn't even believe it if someone would tell you.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on February 28, 2011, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 27, 2011, 10:26 PM
But it might be 5% population over the Earth (I even think less).

What kind of backwards place do you live in that only 5% is doing all the good work?
You may want to watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zlbnwZ4VM), it's 5 parts in all. Makes sure you watch it all.

Quote from: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/volun.nr0.htmThe volunteer rate declined by 0.5 percentage point to 26.3 percent for the year
ending in September 2010, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. About
62.8 million people volunteered through or for an organization at least once be-
tween September 2009 and September 2010. The volunteer rate in 2010 was similar
to the rates observed in 2007 and 2008.
There are plenty of other statistics available for other countries.

I'm quite interested what kind of research you've done to make your mind more objective as you call it, because the things you're saying here seem to be in contradiction with the statistics that are readily available.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Ramone on February 28, 2011, 11:46 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on February 28, 2011, 02:56 PM
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I used to be like some of you, not believing in supernaturl things.
...

Ok, U have started to trippin now dude.. supernatural trip.

So ye, lets finish it with "Haha", "I am getting bored of this topic".. 
Sure man. Point proved.

p.s. My honest advice to U is: never state that same thing again somewhere else in real life when U're in company with intelligent people, cause believe me, they'll consider U as an immature and a foolish guy.

I ain't being cynical, I mean it.

Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on March 01, 2011, 01:56 AM
You again quoted the wrong thing.
Well nvm, it's over now. :)

EDIT: I wondered if you were really fool or just a bad liver, and I just go my answer.
At least, you're not fool. :)
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Dub-c on March 01, 2011, 04:57 AM
Quote from: Abnaxus on March 01, 2011, 01:56 AM
just a bad liver

I have a bad liver too.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on March 01, 2011, 02:08 PM
Meant bad faith. (If it means "mauvaise foi" in english).

Anyway, considering you intelligent and me immature and fool wasn't a good thing you know.
Especially when I'm tricking you to see your reaction towards your own kind posts.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on March 01, 2011, 04:34 PM
Quote from: Abnaxus on March 01, 2011, 02:08 PM
Anyway, considering you intelligent and me immature and fool wasn't a good thing you know.

And yet you are constantly doing the same :P
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: Abnaxus on March 01, 2011, 05:04 PM
Wasn't the aim, if I offended one, then I'm sorry.

My real problem with you (Ramone and D1) is you're acting like:
For this type of person, I get this. You get it as a fact.
And you can't understand that for the same type, you can get another thing.
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: DarkOne on March 01, 2011, 05:37 PM
</vague> please, because I have no idea what you're trying to tell me
Title: Re: Abnaxus pessimist
Post by: l7cx1Cl on March 01, 2011, 06:25 PM
Quote from: Guaton on February 22, 2011, 09:41 PM
Quote from: Cueshark on February 22, 2011, 09:30 PM
  In fact I've never met a bad one.



evilone was a douchebag

whaa i liked him heh xD